what are the Japanese Playing on their Ps3's?

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If Japan is the origin of the Ps3 and they have loyal japanese sony fanboys and wouldn't buy any american or european games, especially FPS and Sports games (which is the glut of the US games). what the hell are they playing???? And are we getting any of that action? seriously, I know they ain't playing Lair and Heavenly sword.
 
They've got, for the most part, the same games as the rest of the world, hence the crappy PS3 sales in Japan. It's still doing better than the 360, despite having less JRPGs, because, most believe the PS3 will have the most appealing JRPGs in the future. Most of the big JRPGs of last gen, are still a ways off, and I think, aside from FFXIII, most of them haven't really specified what console they are coming to.
 
that is weird. I would have expected some japanese developers to spend some money developing PS3 games. Why aren't they companies putting capital into these ventures anymore? I mean ten years ago they had to put money into the ps2 to develop games before the system sold, right? You can't put the carriage before the horse but you have to make sure that carriage will be built in the same timeframe that horse arrives. Are companies less willing to risk putting money into videogame development now? How did they market the ps3 debut in Japan? I'm sure they weren't wowed by RFOM.
 
Not at all. If you look at the PS2 a year after launch, it didn't have many games either. They just take time, like they always have.
 
[quote name='sparklecopy']If Japan is the origin of the Ps3 and they have loyal japanese sony fanboys and wouldn't buy any american or european games, especially FPS and Sports games (which is the glut of the US games). what the hell are they playing???? And are we getting any of that action? seriously, I know they ain't playing Lair and Heavenly sword.[/QUOTE]Japanese gaming industry has changed. Cell phone games are becoming very popular, which is why developers like Square Enix make a lot of cell phone games. Handheld gaming platforms are doing quite well (especially the DS), which is why the DS gets the main DQ, Tales, etc. series now instead of a console.

The story is, PS2 started doing out well, but its sales were declining over the years, even with big releases. Many popular series that use to be million sellers, were selling less with each installment. When the DS came around, it introduced an entire new market for games (mostly women), and that's why you see tons of non-games selling well (such as English training, virtual pet, brain training, etc. type games). Basically, there's been a huge shift in the Japanese market and it's not about to change back. And since these games are cheap to make and sell well, developers are more likely to invests in those then make big budget PS3 games (which cost tons of money and probably won't sell).

If you're not happy about the PS3 not getting a lot of Japanese support, don't own one. I can definitely say for sure that it will NOT have anywhere near as much support as what PS2 and handhelds get. Basically, next -generation gaming in Japan (not really including the Wii here) has been dead on arrival. Although I've been one of the biggest Japanophiles over the years, I've grown to accept that PS3 and 360 just won't have many Japanese centric games. Most on PS3 will come from Sony's own studios.
 
[quote name='dpatel']Not at all. If you look at the PS2 a year after launch, it didn't have many games either. They just take time, like they always have.[/QUOTE]
Haha. The results of the previous generation have absolutely no bearing now; you do understand that, right? It's a vastly different market now, and nothing about the previous round of systems can be seen as precedent for this generation.

For reals: The DS and Wii changed everything.

Anyways, they're all playing Hot Shots Golf 5 (and by "playing," I mean spending hours exploiting the upskirt glitch on the female golfers).
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Haha. The results of the previous generation have absolutely no bearing now; you do understand that, right? It's a vastly different market now, and nothing about the previous round of systems can be seen as precedent for this generation.

For reals: The DS and Wii changed everything.

Anyways, they're all playing Hot Shots Golf 5 (and by "playing," I mean spending hours exploiting the upskirt glitch on the female golfers).[/QUOTE]


its not that past systems have a bearing now, but they do serve as examples of history repeating itself. The market has changed, but the situations are the same... people have to learn how to take advantage of new hardware. As a matter of fact, when the PS1 was released, people did no like it, it didn't sell it was slow to market, and it was too expensive for its time. If the past has no bearing on the future occurances, why do people even look at the past.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']The market has changed, but the situations are the same... people have to learn how to take advantage of new hardware.[/quote]
Your point? The hardware being pushed further over time is a given with any computer hardware, and doesn't prove or disprove and sorts of sales possibilities whatsoever.

[quote name='Thomas96']If the past has no bearing on the future occurances, why do people even look at the past.[/QUOTE]
Because Playstation diehards are desperate to convince themselves that the PS3 can still somehow come out on top, or at least, pull itself out of a distant third. So, inevitably, they rely on the worthless observation that the PS1 and PS2 sold really well.

The Atari 2600 was practically the only name in town for years, and it was all drastically downhill after that. The NES and SNES sold really well, too, and then the N64 came out. Again, precedence means nothing.
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Because Playstation diehards are desperate to convince themselves that the PS3 can still somehow come out on top, or at least, pull itself out of a distant third.[/QUOTE]

This thread is about Japan. The PS3 may be a "distant third" over there, but it's catching up to the console in second place...
the PS2
.

As for what the Japanese are playing, they're surely playing a helluva lot more downloadable PSX games than us here in the US, since they have 113+ downloadable PSX games on the PSN, compared to our fucking pathetic 12.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This thread is about Japan. The PS3 may be a "distant third" over there, but it's catching up to the console in second place...
the PS2
.[/QUOTE]
Okay, if you're going to knock me for mentioning something that could be seen to not be entirely exclusive to Japan in a "thread about Japan," then you need to discipline yourself over bringing up the PS2 in a PS3 thread. The point is, I still answered Thomas96's silly question, and I did it with flair. The PS2's success means nothing now.


Anyways...odd, I was sure you were on my ignore list. Fixed.
 
[quote name='The Mana Knight']Japanese gaming industry has changed. Cell phone games are becoming very popular, which is why developers like Square Enix make a lot of cell phone games. Handheld gaming platforms are doing quite well (especially the DS), which is why the DS gets the main DQ, Tales, etc. series now instead of a console. [/quote]

This is very true! I recall reading somewhere that Dragon Quest VII on PSX sold over 4 million coopies, while Dragon Quest VIII sold about 3 million copies. Dragon Quest VI had sold more than either. It isn't a recent phenomenon that the Japanese are migrating away from consoles -- it's been going on for a long time.

That isn't to say that console gaming is dead or dying, or anything! It's just that today's handhelds offer a gaming experience that is "good enough" for many Japanese gamers.

This isn't true for just the DS, though! It may have sold almost 60 million units already, but the PSP has sold about 25 million, if I recall. That's about equal to or slightly more than worldwide sales of Wii, 360, and PS3 combined!
 
[quote name='dracula']most use it to watch hard core anime porn movies on blue ray.[/QUOTE]

There's no hentai on BD yet, unfortunately.:roll:

:lol:
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Your point? The hardware being pushed further over time is a given with any computer hardware, and doesn't prove or disprove and sorts of sales possibilities whatsoever.


Because Playstation diehards are desperate to convince themselves that the PS3 can still somehow come out on top, or at least, pull itself out of a distant third. So, inevitably, they rely on the worthless observation that the PS1 and PS2 sold really well.

The Atari 2600 was practically the only name in town for years, and it was all drastically downhill after that. The NES and SNES sold really well, too, and then the N64 came out. Again, precedence means nothing.[/QUOTE]


The N64's problem was its controller, if you don't have a decent controller that takes advantage of all games, then you'r system won't do well. Nintendo didn't learn their lesson and had another inneffective controller w/ the Gamecube that once again didn't work with all games. So instead of trying to satisfy everyone, they ran the casual audience. Controller design is important to a systems market power and how well it does. So The gamecub should have looked at the problems from the N64, but it didn't and had the same result.


Its still possible that once the PS3 is cheaper, it may out perform the Wii and come out on top. Then you can quote 12 years from now that has no bearing on the PS4 vs. Wii.5
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']Your point? The hardware being pushed further over time is a given with any computer hardware, and doesn't prove or disprove and sorts of sales possibilities whatsoever.


Because Playstation diehards are desperate to convince themselves that the PS3 can still somehow come out on top, or at least, pull itself out of a distant third. So, inevitably, they rely on the worthless observation that the PS1 and PS2 sold really well.

The Atari 2600 was practically the only name in town for years, and it was all drastically downhill after that. The NES and SNES sold really well, too, and then the N64 came out. Again, precedence means nothing.[/QUOTE]

If you don't own a PS3, these threads are really pointless in terms of information, insight, or aid. :) I'm just pointing that out to save you some time... Not full of useful "non-PS3" information at all.... :lol:

But in reference to your supporting argument, let me add a little perspective.... (some of which is opinion, some of which is merely observation, and still more of it is probably purely anecdotal...) If you want pure facts, I'm just not there for you. :)

The 2600 was pretty much tapped out by the time Atari pulled the plug the first time, and their lax licensing made for some serious shovelware that really didn't add anything to the already bloated lineup. Most big houses couldn't recoup the development costs for their cartridges with the $5 "drugstore" carts undercutting the market and making it impossible to do anything interesting at over a $10 pricepoint. Realistically, MOTS was already scheduled for the closet long before the "next gen" consoles were due. (Computers took care of that for them...)

Comparatively during the "atari" era, the Colecovision sold very respectably its first year, and the Intellivision sold respectably as well, in spite of the stranglehold Atari had on the "first gen" (really second gen) market. The problem with the rival consoles was (as always) the exclusivity of licensing of some of the major arcade titles (Space Invaders comes to mind) which hampered their adoption into the millions of homes the 2600 was in... (Let's not forget the 5200 either...) Arcade licenses aren't so important these days with the decline of arcades here in the States, but I think they're still popular in Japan (or at least they were), and the consoles that get the "hot" arcade titles are probably going to sell more simply out of that feature than processing power and triangle processing. :)

Nintendo may have stumbled with their overly-arrogant stance w/r/t the N64, but they had consistently dominated the market from NES to SNES to Gameboy... having only one real rival during the SNES days in the Genesis... The NES trounced the Master System, and the Gameboy trounced just about everything else at the time (or since for that matter.) Even the TurboGrafix 16 sold respectably over its lifespan... (not the gazillion that the SNES/NES sold, but it was in the millions, IIRC.) Hindsight is 20/20... but it wasn't nearly as clear-cut as we sometimes oversimplify...

So, in terms of licensing, grabbing exclusives, and getting onboard the proven market leader... we have seen in Japan not an "abandonment" of the Sony brand as we have here (mindshare wise) in the States (in the face of the 360 or the Wii)... just a market shift that most likely won't hit here, because our cell phone service providers suck butt. :) Is it the end of the PS3? No. Is it the end of Sony? Hardly. Is it time for 360 fans to constantly post how delusional PS3 owners are about the prospects for their console? Not unless you're _really_ bored. :lol:

We (the rest of the world) should make a clean break... make more RPG's here and stop looking to Japan for our console ideas. :) And we should lighten up on the "also ran" FPSes... we can do with a few less of those and a few more other genres I think... but that's just me. ;) I'd personally like my RPGs not to be centered on a group of teenagers with special powers (and half-cat species or whatever)... But I'm old... :)
 
[quote name='Chacrana']There's no hentai on BD yet, unfortunately.:roll:

:lol:[/QUOTE]

Lord help me when it does make it to BD.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']The N64's problem was its controller, if you don't have a decent controller that takes advantage of all games, then you'r system won't do well. Nintendo didn't learn their lesson and had another inneffective controller w/ the Gamecube that once again didn't work with all games. So instead of trying to satisfy everyone, they ran the casual audience. Controller design is important to a systems market power and how well it does. So The gamecub should have looked at the problems from the N64, but it didn't and had the same result.[/quote]
That you're blaming the N64 and Gamecube's problems seemingly exclusively on their controllers proves that your understanding of the subject is incredibly narrow.

[quote name='Thomas96']Its still possible that once the PS3 is cheaper, it may out perform the Wii and come out on top.[/QUOTE]
It's also possible that Drew Barrymore, Harrison Ford and Mr T will suddenly, completely out of nowhere pull into my driveway in a Lamborghini Diablo made of emeralds and throw me a big party for no reason whatsoever. Not particularly likely, however.

If you're so obsessed with the effects of the results of previous generations on current ones, then why don't you look at how, over the past few generations, there haven't been any upsets as big as something like the PS3 overtaking the Wii would be?
 
[quote name='CoffeeEdge']That you're blaming the N64 and Gamecube's problems seemingly exclusively on their controllers proves that your understanding of the subject is incredibly narrow.


It's also possible that Drew Barrymore, Harrison Ford and Mr T will suddenly, completely out of nowhere pull into my driveway in a Lamborghini Diablo made of emeralds and throw me a big party for no reason whatsoever. Not particularly likely, however.

If you're so obsessed with the effects of the results of previous generations on current ones, then why don't you look at how, over the past few generations, there haven't been any upsets as big as something like the PS3 overtaking the Wii would be?[/QUOTE]


I was saying that controller design is a factor in how well a system does, just like gameplay is factor for how well a game does.
I'm not 'obsessed with 'results of previous generations of current ones' I'm just mindful of them.

Just because something hasn't happened doesn't mean that it can't happen ~
Don't rejoice over what has not yet happened..
 
Heck, I'm playing Pro Yakyuu Spirits 4 and Everybody Golf 5 on my PS3 in the U.S. So I would bet that some gamers there are doing the same thing.

Also, Bladestorm was the #2 selling title last week in Japan, so I'd say that's getting some play right now as well.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']There's no hentai on BD yet, unfortunately.:roll:

:lol:[/QUOTE]


Aw yeah, can't wait for pixel-censored cartoon genitals in HD!!

:lol:
 
[quote name='Gameboy415']Aw yeah, can't wait for pixel-censored cartoon genitals in HD!!

:lol:[/QUOTE]
I was thinking the same thing. It really defeats the purpose.
 
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