What happens to the poor afterward?

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I'm not too familiar with rebuilding cities, but I was thinking about something throughout the day. The poor people who had apartments and homes destroyed lost everything, likely had no insurance, and often had no family outside of new orleans to go to. Now I'm sure there will be great interest from companies who want to rebuild parts of new orleans, but, as everyone knows, building low income housing isn't the most profitable. Is there going to be something that will force them to rebuild low income housing, or are the poor going to get screwed again?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I'm not too familiar with rebuilding cities, but I was thinking about something throughout the day. The poor people who had apartments and homes destroyed lost everything, likely had no insurance, and often had no family outside of new orleans to go to. Now I'm sure there will be great interest from companies who want to rebuild parts of new orleans, but, as everyone knows, building low income housing isn't the most profitable. Is there going to be something that will force them to rebuild low income housing, or are the poor going to get screwed again?[/QUOTE]

I think you know the answer to that.
 
I apologize for my Kanye West post but I have an extremely short temper when it comes to things like that and I type exactly what is on my mind on that time. But anyways on a further note I expect non-profit organizations to aid in the rebuilding process when that occurs in the future. As far as New Orleans goes I cannot see that city getting back to normal ever, one is because it will be vulnerable time after time to another hurricane and the same thing can happen. The government should mandate that homes in New Orleans and along the Gulf Coast should meet guidelines requiring them to withstand wind speed of 175mph. It will be a bumpy future for the people of thje affected areas of Hurricane Katrina. Ya but in the end the people who had nothing to begin with will get screwed, which is horrible.
 
They will relocate further into the country side in quickly assembled moble home courts, that is of course those that don't leave the area completely. Would you honestly want to go back to the city after that?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Duh, after this is over we all forget about them and let them live on the streets.[/QUOTE]

Something tells me that will not happen, but you never know this is America after all.
 
 
Texas won't keep them. They'll send them to reservation lands in the middle of nowhere if they have to.
 
Maybe with all the 10's if not 100's of thousands of construction jobs between Florida and Texas likely to crop up the next three years the poor could you know, get jobs, and then have a skill so they're no longer poor.

Just a thought. I know though that saying "get a job" is akin to putting on white robes in many of your eyes but you know, work works to get people out of poverty.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Maybe with all the 10's if not 100's of thousands of construction jobs between Florida and Texas likely to crop up the next three years the poor could you know, get jobs, and then have a skill so they're no longer poor.

Just a thought. I know though that saying "get a job" is akin to putting on white robes in many of your eyes but you know, work works to get people out of poverty.[/QUOTE]

Wait, so you think all the poor in new orleans (according to cnn, 100,000 did not even own cars) didn't work?

New Orleans unemployment spikes to 6.2 percent
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http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4200/is_20050321/ai_n13452128


New Orleans has a 34 percent poverty rate while St. Bernard's is more than 17 percent.
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http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1124865103219740.xml


So if 100% of the unemployed are poor (which is certainly not the case), that still leaves 28% of people in poverty working, or about 80%.

Any other bright ideas?
 
They will relocate further into the country side in quickly assembled moble home courts, that is of course those that don't leave the area completely. Would you honestly want to go back to the city after that?
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New orleans is a city that many people have history and emotional connections too, so I can't really say.

I don't pretend to know the low income housing situation in houston or wherever they go, but I know in boston there is very little low income housing available. If a bunch of poor people showed up and needed low income housing (even relative to the population difference between boston and houston), there just wouldn't be enough. More would still need to be built (not that that would be an option in boston, but I think there's space in houston and other cities down there), and you're still left with developers taking on less profitable tasks.
 
Unemployment figures only take into account active job seekers. Passive job seekers, ie welfare recipients, stay at home moms/dads, people taking a year off etc. sometimes double to triple that number depending on the season and regional economic conditions.

I guarantee you the 9th Ward in NO is filled with "passive" job seekers. That's the region in and around the Superdome. They're the ones at the Convention Center and are now bussed to Houston. Do they look like working poor to you?
 
Ok I never agree with PAD, but you all should have taken econ 1 at your high school. Unemployment dosn't mean everyone without a job. It refers to people who are looking for a Job and can't attain one. So, people who have given up looking for a job are not considered unemployed.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Unemployment figures only take into account active job seekers. Passive job seekers, ie welfare recipients, stay at home moms/dads, people taking a year off etc. sometimes double to triple that number depending on the season and regional economic conditions.

I guarantee you the 9th Ward in NO is filled with "passive" job seekers. That's the region in and around the Superdome. They're the ones at the Convention Center and are now bussed to Houston. Do they look like working poor to you?[/QUOTE]

And what exactly do working poor look like? I've brought up this statistics many times, 25% of homeless people are employed. What the hell do you expect "working poor" to look like?

I'm not saying some aren't passive job seekers, a stay at home parent (if there's no one to watch the kid, day care can sometimes cost as much as you get paid, or close to it, my cousin had this problem with her 3 kids. Plus you leave them with a stranger and, without day care, then they spend the day without supervision often on the street), old people (these people won't ever be able to improve their situation), sick etc. But, the people your talking about, the ones who just choose not to work, you're just guessing. Statistics indicate the clear majority of poor in new orleans work, and there's nothing other than "lazy poor" stereotypes indicating otherwise.


Ok I never agree with PAD, but you all should have taken econ 1 at your high school. Unemployment dosn't mean everyone without a job. It refers to people who are looking for a Job and can't attain one. So, people who have given up looking for a job are not considered unemployed.
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I understand that, I have a family member unemployed, and I definately understand that. But PAD makes a very big leap that is unsupported by anything but his guessing.
 
[quote name='Drocket']What happens to the poor? This will give you an idea:



Any questions?[/QUOTE]
did yahoo edited that article?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Maybe with all the 10's if not 100's of thousands of construction jobs between Florida and Texas likely to crop up the next three years the poor could you know, get jobs, and then have a skill so they're no longer poor.

Just a thought. I know though that saying "get a job" is akin to putting on white robes in many of your eyes but you know, work works to get people out of poverty.[/QUOTE]

I love died-in-the-wool conservatives. Won't teach the poor about birth control beyond the oh-so-successful abstinence programs, and won't let them abort unwanted and unsupportable babies, but overpopulation is their fault and they are to blame for unemployment woes. Jesus may love you, but he loves ya more when you're clean and you have a skill that's in demand.
 
[quote name='Drocket']What happens to the poor? This will give you an idea:
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At one point Friday, the evacuation was interrupted briefly when school buses rolled up so some 700 guests and employees from the Hyatt Hotel could move to the head of the evacuation line — much to the amazement of those who had been crammed in the stinking Superdome since last Sunday.

"How does this work? They (are) clean, they are dry, they get out ahead of us?" exclaimed Howard Blue, 22, who tried to get in their line. The National Guard blocked him as other guardsmen helped the well-dressed guests with their luggage.
Any questions?[/QUOTE]

This may be pure practicality. People who either had good jobs with the hotel or who could afford to stay at the Hyatt hotel would likely have access to funds whereby they can take care of themselves in the Houston area. Get them out of the way first - as military personnel it makes your job easier because you have one less area to protect, and the mass of people at the Superdome are going to take a long while to transport anyway so an extra delay that is comparatively small isn't going to ruin the world.

I'm quite wary of the way that the media is trying to spin everything as a race issue. Are there race issues? Sure. But let's not blow them out of proportion - this tragedy has enough sorrow and blame to go around already.
 
[quote name='camoor']This may be pure practicality. People who either had good jobs with the hotel or who could afford to stay at the Hyatt hotel would likely have access to funds whereby they can take care of themselves in the Houston area. Get them out of the way first - as military personnel it makes your job easier because you have one less area to protect, and the mass of people at the Superdome are going to take a long while to transport anyway so an extra delay that is comparatively small isn't going to ruin the world.

I'm quite wary of the way that the media is trying to spin everything as a race issue. Are there race issues? Sure. But let's not blow them out of proportion - this tragedy has enough sorrow and blame to go around already.[/QUOTE]

Also, if there are limitted busses it's much easier to clear out small group of people, instead of removing 1% of an extremely large and angry group of people.

Though, I don't think race was a conscious issue. I think it may have played a more subconscious role, they were seen as someone else, poor blacks, and even poor whites, didn't not get the same emotional response because many people do not instantly see them as one of their own. It helped create the disconnect that seems to exist.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Though, I don't think race was a conscious issue. I think it may have played a more subconscious role, they were seen as someone else, poor blacks, and even poor whites, didn't not get the same emotional response because many people do not instantly see them as one of their own. It helped create the disconnect that seems to exist.[/QUOTE]

That's a great point - and in the modern mind I tend to think class would play a much bigger role then race. Then again, given some of the comments around here lately, that may just be wishful thinking.
 
Welll, lets take a look before the storm hit. Now from what i heard, about 90% of new orleans is poor( This is what i have been told ), maybe someone can shed more light on it, but 90% is alot. So before the storm hit, they was suffering, people was hungry, drugs, muders, struggling from day to day on low income, yea this is kinda like in every state.

The strom only made matters worse, and from what i can see, people who is in a position to help others, dont do it. Yea yea, i heard the mayor comments in New orleans, but where was he at before the strom hit? Just proves my point, that nobody gives a damn about the poor, or maybe they dont know how to solve the problems in the inner city / poor area's of this world.

So the storm hits, over 10,000 people may have died, and once things do finally get back to normal, with jobs back up, business flowing, homes back up. I am positive that the people you see going all out helping people, they wont be there once things get back to normal.

If nobody was trying to help out the poor before the storm hit, they aint gonna do it once things get back to normal. Anyone wanna take bets? :applause::cry:
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']The strom only made matters worse/[/QUOTE]

No, buddy, this time I don't think I can place the blame there.

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I applaud your interest in politics, me wee lad (or lass), but I recommend that you pick up some English lessons, perhaps read some newspapers, and look to corroborate (that means "find out if it's true") the claims you make. Do you really think that 90% of a city lives below the poverty level? Maybe in a rural area, just barely "maybe," but a city? Please.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']No, buddy, this time I don't think I can place the blame there.

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I applaud your interest in politics, me wee lad (or lass), but I recommend that you pick up some English lessons, perhaps read some newspapers, and look to corroborate (that means "find out if it's true") the claims you make. Do you really think that 90% of a city lives below the poverty level? Maybe in a rural area, just barely "maybe," but a city? Please.[/QUOTE]

No, i dont believe 90% of New Orleans is living below the poverty levels. Thats why i said, maybe someone can shed more light on the issue. Either way tho, who was hit the hardest, the poor area or the rich area?
 
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