Which are you (or will you be) more strict about with your kids?

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somehow i hit "other" on accident? well, I meant violence. They'll see it, but I'll probably be a huge a hypocrite and not let them play extremely violent games or watch super violent stuff until they are 12 or 13...
 
Probably the 'hardcore' violence. After he gets to a certain age, and we have 'the talk', I probably wouldn't mind him being exposed to non-hardcore sexual scenes or nudity. And while I'm trying to minimize his exposure to violence right now, since it is proven that kids model what they observe, once he understands death, pain, etc, I'm sure he'll be exposed to more violence. But I will even then try to minimize his exposure to the 'hardcore' Bloodsucking Freaks type violence for quite some time, though I'm sure we'll catch a few horror movies together.

And your comment about being a hypocrite is interesting. On thinking about it, are you realizing that there are things suitable for kids, and things suitable for adults that should most likely not be shown to kids? [And of course every kid is different, 5 years old is different from 10 which is different from 15, and ultimately it's the parent's responsibility]. Out of curiousity, how old are you?
I want my child to remain an innocent, optimistic, positive child as long as possible. There will be plenty of time to play games where you disembowel each other, or watch horror movies where people's skin gets flayed. There will be more than enough time to deal with all the bad crap in the world. There's only a limited amount of time when the world is always exciting and new and usually good, and I want him to have as much of that time as possible.
 
Speaking of being a hypocrite, I really thought that the most recent US anti-drug ads were really poignant for once; it was the whole "it's okay to be a hypocrite and tell your children not to do drugs" campaign. Hypocrisy, while often used as a tool of condemnation (and rightly so), is not always the worst thing in the world. After all, I'd rather be a hypocrite than have a drug using child.

As for sex and violence, probably a little from column A and a little from column B. It's not like children's show lack for violence (you may giggle and think that "Power Rangers" are corny, but they are a spectacular action show positioning the enternal battle of good in violent struggle against evil, no matter how much papier mache they may use).

My big concern is to stay away from gendering a child too much. I know it's futile, as children learn a whole hell of a lot of socialization when parents are away and they're at school. OTOH, I'm not going to buy my boy a tool set or my girl a plastic shopping cart with "play groceries" (fucking GROCERIES?). I don't think a tool set is cool; tinkertoys, lincoln logs, erector sets, the kind of shit that makes you use your imagination and creativity, however...the boy or the girl will get them, no doubt.

Later on, if they demand that I buy them a "My First Tupperware Party" or "Captain Blow'emup Testosterone and the Towel-Head Killing Brigade" playsets, perhaps I'll relent (unless they really *are* demanding, in which case they won't get shit). In fact, I'm sure I'll relent.

This is why the wife and I have decided on a "pirate" theme for our hypothetical children's bedroom. My father in law's a woodworker, so we have a *brilliant* concept drawn up for the baby bed. Arrr!
 
[quote name='mykevermin']My big concern is to stay away from gendering a child too much. I know it's futile, as children learn a whole hell of a lot of socialization when parents are away and they're at school. OTOH, I'm not going to buy my boy a tool set or my girl a plastic shopping cart with "play groceries" (fucking GROCERIES?). I don't think a tool set is cool; tinkertoys, lincoln logs, erector sets, the kind of shit that makes you use your imagination and creativity, however...the boy or the girl will get them, no doubt.[/quote]
Strong agreement with that.
 
I would be primarily concerned with violence, unless the sexuality was clearly demeaning.

This is why the wife and I have decided on a "pirate" theme for our hypothetical children's bedroom.

Isn't that a very boyish type room though? Kinda defeats the more gender neutral atmosphere if you end up with a boy.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I would be primarily concerned with violence, unless the sexuality was clearly demeaning.



Isn't that a very boyish type room though? Kinda defeats the more gender neutral atmosphere if you end up with a boy.[/QUOTE]

That's not what I was referring to. I'm not going to be buying an infant a tool set or easy bake ovens. They're just gonna shit their pants and eat zweibacks anyway.

My gender socialization concern is for when they're toddlers. As far as infants are concerned, our only concern is to avoid "blue for boys" and "pink for girls" bullshit; if you want to do that and buy baby stuff, it's all yellow. fuck that noise.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']
And your comment about being a hypocrite is interesting. On thinking about it, are you realizing that there are things suitable for kids, and things suitable for adults that should most likely not be shown to kids? [And of course every kid is different, 5 years old is different from 10 which is different from 15, and ultimately it's the parent's responsibility]. Out of curiousity, how old are you?

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I am realizing that-- that's partially why I'm calling myself a hypocrite-- I knew all the mortal kombat fatalities by heart when I was 11! :lol: I'm 24. I didn't mean for hypocrite to sound begrudging or something, just kinda poking fun at myself ;) feel free to post some wisdom up though, if I sound like a complete asshat.

And Mykevermin, you're right about the good forms of hypocrisy. I haven't seen those TV ads but they sound very sensible. Gendering is crazy...after reading "The Second Shift" (that book about married couples and gender ideologies) I definitely wouldn't want my kid to turn into one of those shmucks who sits around and does nothing at home to protect himself from emasculation.
 
I look forward to teaching my kids about the evils of Democratic politics.

It only requires one lesson; "I'll pay you $40 to mow the lawn.". After lawn is mowed and the kid comes to get paid? "Good job son. Now I have to deduct 15.3% for Social Security, 10% for federal witholding and 3.5% for state income tax. Here's your $28.48."

"But you promised..."

"Yes, I know, you'd like to have all your money. However you really did earn $40 but you see Democrats think they know better than you do how to spend your money so we need to send the money you earned but don't get to keep to the government. Don't feel bad though some poor child who didn't work needs get his money too."

"But I'm the one that worked!"

"What have we learned here son?"
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I look forward to teaching my kids about the evils of Democratic politics.

It only requires one lesson; "I'll pay you $40 to mow the lawn.". After lawn is mowed and the kid comes to get paid? "Good job son. Now I have to deduct 15.3% for Social Security, 10% for federal witholding and 3.5% for state income tax. Here's your $28.48."

"But you promised..."

"Yes, I know, you'd like to have all your money. However you really did earn $40 but you see Democrats think they know better than you do how to spend your money so we need to send the money you earned but don't get to keep to the government. Don't feel bad though some poor child who didn't work needs get his money too."

"But I'm the one that worked!"

"What have we learned here son?"[/QUOTE]

"The importance of the public good, dad!"

At which point, of course, the child will save his money towards diversifying his portfolio, rather than spending it on chocolate, toys, and rollerskates. :roll:

Why don't you just grab the poorest, dumbest black child to mow your lawn instead of your son so you can teach him about the values of affirmative action, asshole?
 
I have no problem with anything listed. When i was like 4 and stuff i used to watch all those horror greats like all the Elm Streets and F13ths and i have yet to kill anyone.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']"The importance of the public good, dad!"

At which point, of course, the child will save his money towards diversifying his portfolio, rather than spending it on chocolate, toys, and rollerskates. :roll:

Why don't you just grab the poorest, dumbest black child to mow your lawn instead of your son so you can teach him about the values of affirmative action, asshole?[/quote]

Haha, the thought of PAD procreating is bad enough.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Speaking of being a hypocrite, I really thought that the most recent US anti-drug ads were really poignant for once; it was the whole "it's okay to be a hypocrite and tell your children not to do drugs" campaign. Hypocrisy, while often used as a tool of condemnation (and rightly so), is not always the worst thing in the world. After all, I'd rather be a hypocrite than have a drug using child.
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I don't watch TV--what were these antidrug ads? Why were they hypocritical?

I see no hypocrisy in saying, "I'm asking you not to do this thing. I used to do it, I don't do it anymore because I realized it's bad/harmful/etc." That's not hypocrisy, that's growth.
Saying to someone who is your 'equal', "I can do this, but you can't", is hypocrisy. [I fully expect parents to do things they tell their kids they can't, and in most cases I don't see that as hypocrisy.]

No, OP, you don't sound like an asshat. This is the old 'Mom/Dad was right' syndrome, and I've got it too-some things my folks wouldn't let me do, that I wanted to, I now see the wisdom of that decision and will most likely emulate it.

Genderization: Well, there is a difference between boys/girls and men/women, and it's important that they remain different to an extent. A lot of the anti-gay-marriage/adoption folks aren't necessarily against gays marrying/having kids, they're *for* kids having a male and a female role model [And yes, before it goes down that path, of course two gays being good parents is better than say a crack dealer dad and an abusive alcoholic mom being bad parents. That doesn't invalidate the core point.].

All of the parenting magazines are pretty much in accordance with this; moms and dads raise their kids a little differently, and that's not a bad thing.

My boy has lots of toys--lots of trucks, Hot Wheels, things that go 'smash' or 'boom'. We have not purposefully aimed him in that direction or away from other directions, at this point, if we're going to get him toys, we usually let him pick out his own. His favorite show is Dora the Explorer, and he also likes playing with female action figures [otherwise known as dolls] and he treats his stuffed puppy like a baby sometimes. To some extent, the genetic differences between male and female will pull a child toward one direction.

Oh yeah, don't forget, PAD, that public good--you know, Alaskan bridges to islands with one resident, and subsidizing 'artists' whose 'art' is so good, no one wants to buy it. Important 'public good' things like that.

And watching a horror movie or playing a game like GTA does not [necessarily] mean the person will go out and emulate those exact acts, and usually if they do, they were messed up to begin with. It generally means the child/person later expresses a greater tendency toward violence/aggression, which does not translate to killing people. It can manifest itself as being a bully in school, aggressive driving, calling people insults on anonymous message boards, etc. The effects vary by child, and can be reduced by varying what the child is exposed to, but children do tend to take up the traits they observe around them.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']I don't watch TV--what were these antidrug ads? Why were they hypocritical?

I see no hypocrisy in saying, "I'm asking you not to do this thing. I used to do it, I don't do it anymore because I realized it's bad/harmful/etc." That's not hypocrisy, that's growth.
Saying to someone who is your 'equal', "I can do this, but you can't", is hypocrisy. [I fully expect parents to do things they tell their kids they can't, and in most cases I don't see that as hypocrisy.][/quote]
That's pretty much what the commercial is. They show a dad sitting at a table looking concerned, and a voice over says "Just because once upon a time you smoked pot, doesn't mean you can't tell your kids not to smoke pot. Don't let a little word like hypocrite stop you from talking to your kid about drugs."
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I look forward to teaching my kids about the evils of Democratic politics.

"What have we learned here son?"[/quote]

I'm sure if the kid came from a rich family though he'd get all $40.

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Seriously though, I'd rather take a more european approach to sex and not make it taboo.

Not saying I want my 8 year old to watch pale, gray eyed, track marked armed, circle-titted, 35 year old women with pregnancy stretchmarks having sex with beached eels on the shoreline...like I do....

I just think that if my kid sees a tit, I'll worry less about that than a decapitated man with blood streaming 3 feet in the sky...
 
Since this thread has been resurrected...

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I look forward to teaching my kids about the evils of Democratic politics.

It only requires one lesson; "I'll pay you $40 to mow the lawn.". After lawn is mowed and the kid comes to get paid? "Good job son. Now I have to deduct 15.3% for Social Security, 10% for federal witholding and 3.5% for state income tax. Here's your $28.48."[/QUOTE]

Then there's the Republican method: outsource the job to the Mexican kid who lives across the street and will do it for $0.50, then cry bloody murder because he gets a taxpayer-subsidized discount on his school lunches to keep him from starving to death.
 
Stricter on violence than nudity, what's a titty gonna do to the child? He'll see em everyday if he breast feeds. I wouldn't want kids to see people fucking since they wouldn't know what the hell was going on, but just seeing naked people doesn't matter.

I don't think I'll really care about fantasy violence, but I don't think kids should be watching really bloody people killing people shit untli they're older.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']My big concern is to stay away from gendering a child too much. I know it's futile, as children learn a whole hell of a lot of socialization when parents are away and they're at school. OTOH, I'm not going to buy my boy a tool set or my girl a plastic shopping cart with "play groceries" (fucking GROCERIES?). I don't think a tool set is cool; tinkertoys, lincoln logs, erector sets, the kind of shit that makes you use your imagination and creativity, however...the boy or the girl will get them, no doubt.

This is why the wife and I have decided on a "pirate" theme for our hypothetical children's bedroom. My father in law's a woodworker, so we have a *brilliant* concept drawn up for the baby bed. Arrr![/QUOTE]

Nice, myke. You don't want to assign gender to your child but will surround them with an environment glorifying a culture of criminality. "Don't be too macho, son, just make sure you steal things from people forcibly, stay perpetually drunk, and sing pirate songs after you rape your wench."
 
[quote name='mykevermin']"The importance of the public good, dad!"

At which point, of course, the child will save his money towards diversifying his portfolio, rather than spending it on chocolate, toys, and rollerskates. :roll:

Why don't you just grab the poorest, dumbest black child to mow your lawn instead of your son so you can teach him about the values of affirmative action, asshole?[/quote]

:applause: :rofl:


[quote name='bmulligan']Nice, myke. You don't want to assign gender to your child but will surround them with an environment glorifying a culture of criminality. "Don't be too macho, son, just make sure you steal things from people forcibly, stay perpetually drunk, and sing pirate songs after you rape your wench."[/quote]

But what about digging for booty? :cry:



I'm 99% sure I don't want kids ever. They take a lot of money and I don't have the patience to deal with the constant whining for things like food and attention- a girlfriend is bad enough.

I think Americans as a whole are either too strict about violence and sex or they don't impose limits at all. If you don't let them see any kind of 'graphic' material they'll mentally implode when they hit the real world. Conversly, if you let them watch all the porn and horror they can they'll grow up to be the sick fucks that nail their cocks to a block of wood. I'd just avoid 'R-level' content until about 13. At which point they've already seen it a a friends house.
 
I watched my first R rated movie when I was 3. My parents didn't care about violent movies and stuff as long as there wasn't too much blood. They did have a couple talks to me about the difference between reality and fiction, and what is considered good and bad. They told me that I should never use violence against innocent people and they really hit that point home by asking how I'd feel if they died. However, since many of my cousins and my half brothers had to fend for themselves at least a little while during the war, my parents also taught me to not be afraid of violence and avoid it like the parents who won't let their 16 year old watch a PG-13 movie. I think that sheltering your child so much can do more harm than good. My parents think that violence is wrong but they also think that the people who have an ideal view of the world where you can live your entire life in "peace" is ignorant; when you have people shooting and throwing grenades at your family, you pick up the nearest gun and fight back.

When it came to sex/nudity, my dad never let me watch any of the movies he used to rent (kinda obvious when he used to hide them from my mom :lol: ). However, my parents sat me down and explained to me how things worked when I was pretty young so that I didn't feel curious enough to "explore" with other people later on. They explained the consequences of certain things and made sure to provide examples and stuff so I would take them seriously.

I think my parents did a pretty good job. After a certain point, it was up to me to make decisions and learn things for myself though and although I did mess up a little bit, I turned out okay *crosses fingers*.
 
My GF couldn't watch anything but Disney movies until she moved out. :lol:

We went out with her dad to a race once. She noticed I had a hang nail and she took out her clippers and cut it off. Afterwards she got a half hour discussion about how 'you do not do that in public'. :rofl: Her dad is a total fuckstick.
 
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