Which games do you think we don't need any more of?

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Personally I believe we don't need any more of the Madden games/franchises/series. Maybe this game would be alright if they were more innovative with it and just didn't give us straight copies of the previous year's but with an updated roster. Even maybe if it were every other year. Also I don't think we really need anymore Halo. Really they are just average games dressed nicely that decieve many gamers IMO.ut I'll give them that the enemy A.I. is pretty good though. I know most people tell me that the regular game doesn't compare to Multiplayer on Live but I have played it on LAN and if it is anything like that than I don't think it really is all the greatl.

What I wanted to convey by creating this thread was basically the need for more original titles in the video game market place. I think that is basically what we are all getting at. I really don't feel like arguing with everyone and turning this thread into some fanboy/flame thread so please try to keep it clean. We all have our own ideas and opinions so let's try to just convey those instead of inciting a flame war. \

Edit: Also what genres do you think should change?
 
OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)
 
I'll bet there are millions who will disagree with you on Halo. ;) Playing on LAN is nothing like playing on XBL. I'm guessing you haven't played with 10-16 people like you can on Live. The online experience is much better.
 
[quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.
 
[quote name='Trakan']I'll bet there are millions who will disagree with you on Halo. ;) Playing on LAN is nothing like playing on XBL. I'm guessing you haven't played with 10-16 people like you can on Live. The online experience is much better.[/quote]

Yup that's the truth, I haven't played in on XBL so I can't give it a full judgement call and that's why I'm hesitant on saying that one. Maybe I should put an asterisk next to that one and say look at this post.
 
More Halo would be fine if they did something about the level design in the single player portion of the game.

I'd be happy if there were no more Grand Theft Autos and Sims expansions/sequels.
 
I say Grand Theft Auto's also. I mean GTA III was sweet as hell, but if you can tell me any substantial improvement between III and San Andreas I will bow down to you.
 
[quote name='Tromack']I say Grand Theft Auto's also. I mean GTA III was sweet as hell, but if you can tell me any substantial improvement between III and San Andreas I will bow down to you.[/quote]

That's easy, you can ride a bike. Begin bowing.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

All I'm saying is that the people who love Madden will tell you they need more of it just like the people who love RPGs will tell you the same thing. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Also, to answer your request, the playmaker control with the right analog stick is an amazing addition as is the franchise mode. They are always making small improvements to make the game more realistic and balancing things, etc. I do believe that they are approaching "perfection" with every release but until you can actually strap on a head set or suit up or something that makes the experience indistinguishable from actually playing in the NFL they will keep trying to improve their product.
 
Unfortunately, I believe the Final Fantasy series should end after 12. There hasn't been a true FF game made since FFIX. The developers took the franchise down the wrong path with X, X-2, and XI, and FFXII looks like it could be very similar to those games. I'm a lifelong fan of the series, but to save dignity Square(enix) should just stop before it gets any worse.
 
[quote name='javeryh'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

All I'm saying is that the people who love Madden will tell you they need more of it just like the people who love RPGs will tell you the same thing. It's all a matter of personal preference.
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I don't think you can compare the similarities between Madden games and those of RPGs. The entire draw of a sports game is in it's game play. For an RPG, a substantial part of the appeal comes from the story/characters etc. Even if many of the elements of the gameplay are similar, like random monsters, leveling...the games are still totally different. Saying all RPGs are the same because of their gameplay elements is like saying all books are the same because they all contain words.
 
[quote name='javeryh'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

All I'm saying is that the people who love Madden will tell you they need more of it just like the people who love RPGs will tell you the same thing. It's all a matter of personal preference.

Also, to answer your request, the playmaker control with the right analog stick is an amazing addition as is the franchise mode. They are always making small improvements to make the game more realistic and balancing things, etc. I do believe that they are approaching "perfection" with every release but until you can actually strap on a head set or suit up or something that makes the experience indistinguishable from actually playing in the NFL they will keep trying to improve their product.[/quote]

So basically every year it is the same iteration of the previous year's with and I'm quoting this, "small improvements" than what difference does it make between all of them. Why don't they just come up with a version that is on-line capable and at the start of every year you just update the roster for a fee and that's it and then maybe every five years they come and do a great graphical improvement? I still don't see the point of why we need them. "Small Improvements" don't constitute me going on out or should for anyone at the beginning of the new football season and whopping down a big $50 on a new game that is basically the same as the one before it. Now if they only made them cost 10, 20, or maybe even 30 dollars I could understand and take it a little better but it is just absurd what they are doing and the mass public is going along with the ride thinking that it is alright because this is what EA has been doing for years. Give me a break :roll: .
 
interesting choices
i say the games we dont need anymore of are:

buggy crap rushed out the door before its ready
licensed crap that exists solely to use the license
me-too crap that offers nothing aside from its own doppelganging abilities
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Personally I believe we don't need any more of the Madden games/franchises/series. Maybe this game would be alright if they were more innovative with it and just didn't give us straight copies of the previous year's but with an updated roster. Even maybe if it were every other year. Also I don't think we really need anymore Halo. Really they are just average games dressed nicely that decieve many gamers IMO.ut I'll give them that the enemy A.I. is pretty good though. I know most people tell me that the regular game doesn't compare to Multiplayer on Live but I have played it on LAN and if it is anything like that than I don't think it really is all the greatl.[/quote]

what espn sports did was smart 20 bucks for a sports game is awesome. thanks to ea we don't get football like that anymore, ot at least it'll require more effort to get the rosters.
As far as Halo2, it blows, i love the game, game play, and the mulitplayer maps. WTF were they thinking when they killed the health system??? it turns the game into a "almost die, run and hide, regain health, procede,. It really sucks. I started a lan club at my school for halo2 and counter strike, Dude, it blows. 6 hours after school, i played halo2 for like an hour. and left the room. walked around and played ddr for a little bit and talked to people. more halo would be awesome, but it would have to have health and sheilds. as for now, back to the innovative, Shenmues, Otogis and other games that actually are somewhat new.
 
Mega Man. I have no problem with sequels, even less of one with direct sequels. If it's something that I'm not interested in, then I just won't buy it. However, if a developer is going to make a sequel, it should build and improve on a game instead of just milking its popularity to make money (which, in the long run, actually causes a company to lose money due to production costs and lack of sales due to a game sucking very badly). You can tell that there's really little else to go in the series, and they ran out of coherent "boss names" years ago.

I'm also in agreement on the Madden thing. Anybody who has paid full price for a football game for nothing more than roster changes for multiple years in a row should be outraged. Sega saw this, and thus lowered the entry level price point (also to gain an advantage over EA, but that's obvious). But as long as people buy games in situations like these, it will continue.. especially since EA went Rockefeller on the game industry. The more of a demand they see, the more they will seek to fatten their wallets.

As for Final Fantasy.. random battles are a thing that should have been left in the days of 16 bit. Minor improvements in the series do nothing more than serve as gimmicks instead of building upon the formula. But it is the cash cow that has kept Square alive, and it will always sell.

Opinions don't matter. Sales and profits do.
 
I believe they should end NFL football and all professional sports for that matter, after all it is the same exact gameplay year in and year out.

[/sarcasm]

In my opinion the Madden games should continue on, as each year they get better. I personally do not like the GTA series, but I know a ton of people do, does that mean they should stop making the games? My thoughts are if a game doesn't sell, then you should stop making new ones, after all video games are a sales based industry, why stop making games if you can keep selling them. Obviously for games that continually make sequels and continually sell them at a high rate, they should keep making them. There are obviously a large number of people still enjoying these games enough to spend their money, even though you or I might not be one of them.
 
Tomb Raider
Resident Evil
Mario Party
Harvest Moon
Grand Theft Auto
Metal Gear
Sonic
StarWars
Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat
Phantasy Star
EA Sports
SIMS
DDR
Capcom vs.
Megaman
Pokemon
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal'][quote name='javeryh'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

All I'm saying is that the people who love Madden will tell you they need more of it just like the people who love RPGs will tell you the same thing. It's all a matter of personal preference.
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I don't think you can compare the similarities between Madden games and those of RPGs. The entire draw of a sports game is in it's game play. For an RPG, a substantial part of the appeal comes from the story/characters etc. Even if many of the elements of the gameplay are similar, like random monsters, leveling...the games are still totally different. Saying all RPGs are the same because of their gameplay elements is like saying all books are the same because they all contain words.[/quote]

exaclty. Good point Mr. Unoriginal. See javeryh is that what you said about saying how all RPGs are all alike is well wrong to say the least. It's like saying that because this show is a comedy and that show is a comedy that they both have the same jokes. Wrong. They both have their jokes and their own sense of humor because of the writers, actors, etc. RPGs have stories and that's why many gamers play them. They have similiarities but it's the equivalent of saying that this action movie has action and explosions and so does that one, but you still go to see both action movies because you like them. That's one thing that Hollywood has been able to master and to capture so that we continue to come and see movies that are ultimately the same. Their is most of the time a bad guy and a good guy and most of the time (well nealry all the time) the good guy/s wins. What I'm making at about Madden is that there is absolutely no difference between the years. they are all the same basically, you can see small improvements but what is actually different about them? Graphics, umm...no EA doesn't like to improve on those, gameplay not really the opponent still tends to cheat IMO, etc., etc. The list goes on and on.
 
What I wanted to convey by creating this thread was basically the need for more original titles in the video game market place. I think that is basically what we are all getting at. I really don't feel like arguing with everyone and turning this thread into some fanboy/flame thread so please try to keep it clean. We all have our own ideas and opinions so let's try to just convey those instead of inciting a flame war.
 
Up until last week I would have said Resident Evil but RE4 is an excellent update to the series.

But now...I'd probably go with Mega Man and King of Fighters just because both franschises are in a position where their creators don't do nearly as much with them as they could (and for the past several years).
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

2004 had arm hair and 2003 didn't.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']What I wanted to convey by creating this thread was basically the need for more original titles in the video game market place. I think that is basically what we are all getting at. I really don't feel like arguing with everyone and turning this thread into some fanboy/flame thread so please try to keep it clean. We all have our own ideas and opinions so let's try to just convey those instead of inciting a flame war.[/quote]


Ahhh, I think this is the perfect time to resurrect my game creation. Here it goes again.

've thought of this game a lot and have wished and wished a company would actually make it. It would be a MMO set in a world where zombies have spread throughout the entire world and the only humans left are in small clusters and a few military zones.

The game would start off with showing you how all the world has gone down the shitter ever since the zombies came. Then it shows you witnessing your own family being murdered and killed by the zombies, but you manage to make it into your attic and wait it out there for a few days until the zombies go away. But when you come down, you find out that your family has turned into zombies and you have the option of killing them or letting them live their undead lives out as zombies.

Basically the point of the game would be to stay alive and try to make it to a small colony. Once you get to the colony, you have the option of what kind of job you want. You can be a Collecter (A person who goes out and gathers supplies for the colony), a Soldier (Pretty obvious here, but your job is to protect the colony from the invading zombie hordes), a Rescuer (Someone who goes out and finds other people who may be trapped inside buildings) and there could be a few other different kinds of characters.

But you can also just stay by yourself or with a few others and try to make it by yourselves, or join a biker gang and raid other colonies killing the horses and raping the women.

Also while you're away from the colony or traveling alone, you have a small radio that the only channel it picks up is an old FM radio station with a crazy old man who gives news and other tips to everyone in the game.

You would also have to find food and water to drink, and once you get bitten by a zombie, you'll have small amount of time to use a serum that can heal you from the virus. But if you succumb to the virus, you will turn into a zombie and either have the option of dying and restarting your game at the colony or some other save point or becoming a zombie yourself and joining your once enemies trying to eat as many humans as you want.

I thought using an engine similar to GTA would look kinda neat. But basically, the game would be so awesome if it could give you a sense that you are actually alone in the video game until you find someone else to help you out.

I could go on and on about this game, but that is pretty must the gist of it. What do you guys think of it? Personally, I think it would be a crazy addictive game, especially when you add the Massive Multiplayer Online aspect of it.
 
[quote name='opportunity777']Unreal Tournament coming out every year.[/quote]

When the changes are completely dynamic and solid, like they were between 2003 and 2004, it's justified.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='hiccupleftovers']What I wanted to convey by creating this thread was basically the need for more original titles in the video game market place. I think that is basically what we are all getting at. I really don't feel like arguing with everyone and turning this thread into some fanboy/flame thread so please try to keep it clean. We all have our own ideas and opinions so let's try to just convey those instead of inciting a flame war.[/quote]


Ahhh, I think this is the perfect time to resurrect my game creation. Here it goes again.

've thought of this game a lot and have wished and wished a company would actually make it. It would be a MMO set in a world where zombies have spread throughout the entire world and the only humans left are in small clusters and a few military zones.

The game would start off with showing you how all the world has gone down the shitter ever since the zombies came. Then it shows you witnessing your own family being murdered and killed by the zombies, but you manage to make it into your attic and wait it out there for a few days until the zombies go away. But when you come down, you find out that your family has turned into zombies and you have the option of killing them or letting them live their undead lives out as zombies.

Basically the point of the game would be to stay alive and try to make it to a small colony. Once you get to the colony, you have the option of what kind of job you want. You can be a Collecter (A person who goes out and gathers supplies for the colony), a Soldier (Pretty obvious here, but your job is to protect the colony from the invading zombie hordes), a Rescuer (Someone who goes out and finds other people who may be trapped inside buildings) and there could be a few other different kinds of characters.

But you can also just stay by yourself or with a few others and try to make it by yourselves, or join a biker gang and raid other colonies killing the horses and raping the women.

Also while you're away from the colony or traveling alone, you have a small radio that the only channel it picks up is an old FM radio station with a crazy old man who gives news and other tips to everyone in the game.

You would also have to find food and water to drink, and once you get bitten by a zombie, you'll have small amount of time to use a serum that can heal you from the virus. But if you succumb to the virus, you will turn into a zombie and either have the option of dying and restarting your game at the colony or some other save point or becoming a zombie yourself and joining your once enemies trying to eat as many humans as you want.

I thought using an engine similar to GTA would look kinda neat. But basically, the game would be so awesome if it could give you a sense that you are actually alone in the video game until you find someone else to help you out.

I could go on and on about this game, but that is pretty must the gist of it. What do you guys think of it? Personally, I think it would be a crazy addictive game, especially when you add the Massive Multiplayer Online aspect of it.[/quote]

Sounds alot like 28 Days Later, not that its a bad thing. But isn't Stubbs the Zombie similar to that as well? I haven't read too much on the game but the whole zombie and being able to be infected thing kinda reminded me of it.
 
I would have to agree on the GTA and its army of clones. I am surprised nobody has mentioned any of the FPS war games (based on Vietnam, Desert Storm, WWII, etc.). These genres don't interest me at all, but the companies insist on cranking them out every season. On a side note I would kill to have a game like the first Bushido Blade playable online. It would be so sweet. One good hit = death
 
[quote name='Pijaibros']On a side note I would kill to have a game like the first Bushido Blade playable online. It would be so sweet. One good hit = death[/quote]

Server lag would become an issue with something like that which requires instant reflexes. If it's any consolation, there are one-hit kills in GGX2, and you can play that on Live. :wink:
 
any regular sports like football or basketball. whats the need for seven diffrent basket ball games every year on one system. and tony hawk games. and capcom fighting games like fighting evolution. i look street fighter but dam there no more innovation
 
o yea and world war 2 games. i understand how important the war was but do i really want to relive it every two months.
 
[quote name='xenoman80']any regular sports like football or basketball. whats the need for seven diffrent basket ball games every year on one system.[/quote]

Are you saying you're in favor of just one game for each sport? Such as what EA did with the NFL license?

Also, just edit your first post rather than triple posting.
 
New football games are needed each year. Or if they are going to go every other year, then updated rosters are a must. I don't buy a new madden each year, but I definately see the appeal.

GTA needs to end. Or be something different.

Halo 3 doesn't seem like it needs to be, but if you are going to do it (and they will) it wouldn't hurt for that to be the last title.

I'd like to see less video games based on Cartoons/Movies. For every Spiderman there is a Catwoman...

I'd like to see more 2D games brought back into the mainstream. Focus hard on the gameplay and leave the flashy graphics to games that need it to mask the medicore game.

And the very last thing I'd like to see less of...bad camera angles.
 
[quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

2004 had arm hair and 2003 didn't.[/quote]

How about comparing Final Fantasy with Madden? How much change was there between FFVII, FFVIII, and FFIX?
 
sorry just got a little caught up there thanks and yea im not a sports gaming fan so id say the hell to it. i like extreme sports though like the x games and gravity games
 
[quote name='ZForce915']Halo 3 doesn't seem like it needs to be, but if you are going to do it (and they will) it wouldn't hurt for that to be the last title.[/quote]

Go watch the ending of Halo 2 and tell me we don't need a 3rd. And yes, the 3rd is (supposedly) the last.
 
GTA cant be different-it can just grow..because its a hub for a dozen other games.

Its an everything game.

And I want more of those. Because freedom is beautiful.
 
[quote name='xenoman80']sorry just got a little caught up there thanks and yea im not a sports gaming fan so id say the hell to it. i like extreme sports though like the x games and gravity games[/quote]

Yeah, but the Gravity Games game sucsk royally.
 
Server lag would become an issue with something like that which requires instant reflexes. If it's any consolation, there are one-hit kills in GGX2, and you can play that on Live. :wink:
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I know about the latency issues in 2d fighters, but Bushido Blade is a bit slower paced than GGXX (which is near unplayable about half the time) and besides a 3d fighter like Dead or Alive is pretty playable via Live so I figured Bushido Blade could get the same treatment. And to stay on topic, I also am tired of seeing Deer Hunter, Sims Expansions (Lord help us if Playboy: The Mansion is successful), and "X" Tycoon genre games.
 
[quote name='xenoman80']any regular sports like football or basketball. whats the need for seven diffrent basket ball games every year on one system. and tony hawk games. and capcom fighting games like fighting evolution. i look street fighter but dam there no more innovation[/quote]

Sounds like you are in favor of the EA buyout. You aren't going to be very popular around here...
 
I know about the latency issues in 2d fighters, but Bushido Blade is a bit slower paced than GGXX (which is near unplayable about half the time) and besides a 3d fighter like Dead or Alive is pretty playable via Live so I figured Bushido Blade could get the same treatment. And to stay on topic, I also am tired of seeing Deer Hunter, Sims Expansions (Lord help us if Playboy: The Mansion is successful), and "X" Tycoon genre games.
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lol i agree with you sims sucks monkey balls
 
[quote name='CrashSpyro123'][quote name='Grave_Addiction'][quote name='hiccupleftovers'][quote name='javeryh']OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane. :)[/quote]

If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.[/quote]

2004 had arm hair and 2003 didn't.[/quote]

How about comparing Final Fantasy with Madden? How much change was there between FFVII, FFVIII, and FFIX?[/quote]
Did you play those games? Each of those games had a different story, characters, magic system, and they got graphically better. The only thing thats the same about them is that they are all rpgs.
 
[quote name='Ledhed'][quote name='ZForce915']Halo 3 doesn't seem like it needs to be, but if you are going to do it (and they will) it wouldn't hurt for that to be the last title.[/quote]

Go watch the ending of Halo 2 and tell me we don't need a 3rd. And yes, the 3rd is (supposedly) the last.[/quote]

Then it's all good!
 
CrashSpyro123 wrote:
Grave_Addiction wrote:
hiccupleftovers wrote:
javeryh wrote:
OK.... There's always a need for a new Madden game every year. If you don't play it that's fine but it doesn't mean that it would be a good idea to stop making them. If that were true then I would say we don't need anymore RPGs because I think they are all the same boring crap but that would just be insane.


If you can tell me a major difference between all of the versions of Madden, from let's say 03-05 (other than roster changes), than you will have made a point and I will concede but so far I don't see any, not even (well maybe but barely) in graphics. I can tell you why we need RPGs that is an easy one though sometimes a little bit more variety in them (you know RPGs other than FFs) would be nice, I will give you that.


2004 had arm hair and 2003 didn't.


How about comparing Final Fantasy with Madden? How much change was there between FFVII, FFVIII, and FFIX?

Did you play those games? Each of those games had a different story, characters, and magic system. The only the same about them is that they are all rpgs.
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just face it sports fans their all the same and it will never change
 
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