White House concedes on torture ban (can you say L-O-S-E-R?)

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CAGiversary!
Poor dub-dub. He just can't seem to get anything going right for him this year. If it walks, talks, and quacks like a lame duck...

White House agrees to McCain's torture policy
Bush gives in to Ariz. senator's ban after months of wrangling, officials say

Updated: 12:46 p.m. ET Dec. 15, 2005
WASHINGTON - After months of resistance, the White House has agreed to accept Sen. John McCain’s call for a law specifically banning cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of foreign suspects in the war on terror, several congressional officials said Thursday.

Officials also cautioned the agreement was encountering opposition in the House from Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., the chairman of the House Armed Services Committee.

The White House at one point threatened a veto if the ban was included in legislation sent to his desk, and Vice President Dick Cheney made an unusual personal appeal to all Republican senators to give an exemption to the CIA.

But congressional sentiment was overwhelmingly in favor of the ban, and McCain, who was held and tortured for five years in Vietnam, adopted the issue.

He and the administration have been negotiating for weeks in search of a compromise, but it became increasingly clear that he, not the administration, had the votes in Congress.

McCain’s original amendment would have prohibited “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment” of anyone in U.S. government custody, regardless of where they are held. It also would have required that service members follow procedures in the Army Field Manual during interrogations of prisoners in Defense Department facilities.

The Senate included the McCain provisions in two defense bills, including a must-pass $453 billion spending bill that provides $50 billion for the Iraq war. But the House omitted them from their versions, and the bills have been stalled.

Negotiations intensified this week, with Congress under pressure to approve at least the spending bill before adjourning for the year.

In recent weeks, the administration had been seeking to add language that would offer some protection from prosecution for interrogators accused of violating the provision. But McCain rejected that, arguing it would undermine the ban by not giving interrogators reason to follow the law.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10480690/

LOSER!

Here's a scene from next year's mid-term elections:

dubya-gop-candidates.jpg
 
Otherwise known as the...

Al Qaeda Bill of Rights

Oh BTW.

About that lame duck thing?

BUSH HITS 50 [Rich Lowry ]
From the Hotline:

It's Not Me, It's You

A month ago, all the rage in the pundit world was "when will Cong. GOPers start distancing themselves from Pres. Bush?" Fast forward a month, and it appears Bush is the one searching for distance.

-- The latest Diageo/Hotline poll finds Bush with his first post-Katrina job rating in the 50s (50% to be exact). Meanwhile, Congress' job rating hit another low. Are these numbers an outlier or part of the trend? Consider, we were in the field Monday and Tuesday, probably as good of earned media days Bush has had in months.

-- Bush's movement up is thanks mostly to GOPers coming home, while Congress' strong move down is, well, thanks to more GOPers disapproving (54%).

-- Beyond Bush and Congress, however, is possibly the biggest question in our survey. Which issue should Congress tackle first in '06: Iraq or rebuilding the Gulf Coast? By a landslide, the public wants the Gulf Coast rebuilt (58-28%). However, it's worth noting that self-I.D. GOPers picked Iraq (46-37%). Is this a reflection of message discipline among GOPers who are more apt to side with whatever Bush is talking about as the country's top priority?

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Beware resurgent Presidents with yet another major milestone passing under their belts as their polls rise.

With Iraq voting on a permanent government today that ice you hear creaking under the partying Democrats is likely to break.

Misunderestimated again.
 
Its nice to see that the US has officially decided to outlaw torture (welcome to the 1940's America!) At the same time, I rather doubt that anything will really change. The Bush administration has repeatedly stated that they simply don't believe that any laws limiting presidential powers applies to them. I find it unlikely that this law will be respected more than any of the other pre-existing laws that already banned torture.
 
[quote name='Drocket']Its nice to see that the US has officially decided to outlaw torture (welcome to the 1940's America!) At the same time, I rather doubt that anything will really change. The Bush administration has repeatedly stated that they simply don't believe that any laws limiting presidential powers applies to them. I find it unlikely that this law will be respected more than any of the other pre-existing laws that already banned torture.[/QUOTE]

Well, as the Daily show said, this law means that the administration will have to try really really really hard from now on to cover up what they're doing.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']They're the only ones. Every other poll I can find in the recent past (a week ago at most) have shown that Bush's approval rating is at 30-40%

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm[/QUOTE]

Considering that PAD's source was the National Review's Rich Lowry, any poll number he would cite is easily 10% off the real mark.

What the hell is Disgaeo/Hotline? Some badass Nippon Ichi Strat-RPG? I know *I've* never heard of them.

EDIT: Diageo = Booze Company. Guinness, Bailey's, Captain Morgan and other beloved brands.
Hotline = National Journal. Newspaper of the elite of the elite. $1,800 annual subscription rate. Decent reputation.

So, as far as the poll goes, it's not like Karl Rove asked his mother; I'll wait for other polls to reflect this change, as I am not hearing this from *any* other pollgroups yet. My skepticism remains, but at least they're legit pollsters, so far as I can tell.
I don't want to gloat about this; I have my skepticisms, but over the past few months, Bush has begun making a lot of political concessions that I find reasonable. Granted, he is still starting from a position that I find deplorable, but in this case, I'm glad that his political capital has dwindled to the point that such political concessions are necessary.

Negotiation and discourse are the most hopeful outcomes of a two-party political system; as we are heading towards that, it means we are getting away from the Republican albatross doing what it wants. That, of course, can bring nothing but good to the nation. It's called moderation.

Although, of course there are some sour grapes; I was really hoping Bush would show some balls and veto this bill, if only to prove that he actually *would* veto something.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Otherwise known as the...

Al Qaeda Bill of Rights [/QUOTE]

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."

Librural bastards!

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all AMERICAN men are created equal."

What about the darkies?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all WHITE AMERICAN men are created equal."

butter.
 
Isn't it less than that even?


This is obviously an attempt to get public opinion back behind the turd administration, not gonna happen in this term...
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Otherwise known as the...

Al Qaeda Bill of Rights

Oh BTW.

About that lame duck thing?

BUSH HITS 50 [Rich Lowry ]
From the Hotline:
[/QUOTE]


Whoa, you sure proved us wrong, 50% of people in that particular poll, HOLY SMOKES you've got a sure fire argument right there.

BTW get a clue OMGLOLROFLMAO
 
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