Whites for Obama: How do you talk sense into the racist voters?

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Look, when it comes down to it..I honestly believe if you are WHITE and you make LESS than $250,000 a year and you STILL vote for McCain..you are clearly racist.

My mom is driving me crazy.
She really thinks that the blacks are going to take over the world.

Look at this response: I had asked her if she watched the VP debate and asked her if her opinion changed since McCain/Palin CLEARLY said they do not like teh gays.

I only saw very little ....what happened? and I would rather see them in
office than the alternative! you just don't know how bad it will
become....it's already becoming a black/white issue...I went to Forman
mill's last night...they were actually selling Obama tee shirts all
different pictures...where was the mccain t shirts if it wasn't a racial
thing? hmmmm????
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So, tell me, how is it possible to make a civil conversation with someone who talks like this?
My mom doesn't realize that it is NOT the blacks that are ruining the country---but it's the people like her who think they are so innocent and white :(

(However, black people in Philly are a whole other topic :rofl: :rofl:)
 
Well people who would clearly be more economically advantaged under Democrats have voted for Republicans for years. Even when they were all white dudes anyway.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Look, when it comes down to it..I honestly believe if you are WHITE and you make LESS than $250,000 a year and you STILL vote for McCain..you are clearly racist.[/QUOTE]

well thats sensible criteria.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Look, when it comes down to it..I honestly believe if you are WHITE and you make LESS than $250,000 a year and you STILL vote for McCain..you are clearly racist.
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Don't forget Gunloving, Gay-Hating, Right Wing Christian, or Stupid.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Don't forget Gunloving, Gay-Hating, Right Wing Christian, or Stupid.[/QUOTE]

Clearly! :cool:
 
I don't waste my time on such people. Thankfully none of my immediate family is like that. Some extended family are, but I haven't spoken to them in years. No one in my immediate family is very close with aunts, uncles etc. (or brothers sisters in my parents case). Grandparents passed on long ago.

[quote name='lilboo']Look, when it comes down to it..I honestly believe if you are WHITE and you make LESS than $250,000 a year and you STILL vote for McCain..you are clearly racist.
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That's going way too far. Some people just buy into the drill baby drill stuff, vote republican to vote against abortion, gay marriage, to protect gun rights etc. They have lots of silly reasons to vote for McCain besides racism.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']
That's going way too far. Some people just buy into the drill baby drill stuff, vote republican to vote against abortion, gay marriage, to protect gun rights etc. They have lots of silly reasons to not vote for Obama vote for McCain besides racism.[/QUOTE]

I'd say that statement is pretty accurate, once I fixed it for accuracy.

But, um. I watched the debate last night, and I'm pretty sure I heard Biden say they were against gay marriage.... so I guess you should probably leave that out of your reasons...?
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I'd say that statement is pretty accurate, once I fixed it for accuracy.

But, um. I watched the debate last night, and I'm pretty sure I heard Biden say they were against gay marriage.... so I guess you should probably leave that out of your reasons...?[/quote]

He said he was against redefining the traditional terms of marriage. They are for Civil Unions with all legal benefits of a marriage.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
But, um. I watched the debate last night, and I'm pretty sure I heard Biden say they were against gay marriage.... so I guess you should probably leave that out of your reasons...?[/QUOTE]

You think these ignorant people pay attention to stuff like that? People that vote on the party line for the right based on social issues aren't paying attention (neither are their left equivalents), they just assume democrats=pro abortion, anti-gun rights, pro gay marriage, pro higher taxes etc. etc.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']He said he was against redefining the traditional terms of marriage. They are for Civil Unions with all legal benefits of a marriage.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Palin say the same thing?

[quote name='dmaul1114']You think these ignorant people pay attention to stuff like that? People that vote on the party line for the right based on social issues aren't paying attention (neither are their left equivalents), they just assume democrats=pro abortion, anti-gun rights, pro gay marriage, pro higher taxes etc. etc.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's true. But let's not pretend that people don't vote on the party line for the left for stereotypical reasons either.

Both parties are comprised of mostly people that will vote for that party no matter what.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Didn't Palin say the same thing?
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Yes. Remember that's when Ifil said "Good you agree! Next question."

She was very outspoken against gay marriage though, where as Biden was just playing the more PC leave it to the churches etc. to define marriage line.

[quote name='thrustbucket']
Yes, that's true. But let's not pretend that people don't vote on the party line for the left for stereotypical reasons either.[/QUOTE]


No shit? You think that's why I have "(neither are their left equivalents)" in my post above? Tisk tisk. And right after you bash MSI Magus for not reading whole posts for responding in the other thread.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']

No shit? You think that's why I have "(neither are their left equivalents)" in my post above? Tisk tisk. And right after you bash MSI Magus for not reading whole posts for responding in the other thread.[/QUOTE]

I did somehow glaze over your parenthesis, I apologize, my bad.
 
Actually what Palin was saying - and what McCain and her support - is not "stopping anyone" from having gay couples and straight couples have equal rights. They leave it up to the states to deny that from them. I think they just don't plan on having any legislation either way (which is better than the crazies who want a constitutional amendment anyway).

Obama/Biden are for repealing DOMA and civil unions with equivalent rights (though I don't know what other legislation they plan on passing).
 
You can't.

Though for some rednecks, explaining that Obama will actually lower their taxes might work. Other than that, you can't.

Look, when it comes down to it..I honestly believe if you are WHITE and you make LESS than $250,000 a year and you STILL vote for McCain..you are clearly racist.
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Either you are racist or a redneck idiot. So, yeah, pretty much the same thing.
 
I'm not even talking about the issues, really. I'm talking about the people who are voting against him BECAUSE he's black or he has a muslim-y name. I just don't get it.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I'm not even talking about the issues, really. I'm talking about the people who are voting against him BECAUSE he's black or he has a muslim-y name. I just don't get it.[/quote]

Well those people are racist. And you can't talk sense into a racist since they're not thinking about it rationally in the first place.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I'm not even talking about the issues, really. I'm talking about the people who are voting against him BECAUSE he's black or he has a muslim-y name. I just don't get it.[/quote]

That mindset is brainwashed into that person from a young age. They never get out of it.
 
[quote name='lilboo']I'm not even talking about the issues, really. I'm talking about the people who are voting against him BECAUSE he's black or he has a muslim-y name. I just don't get it.[/QUOTE]

Of course those people are racist.

But in your original post you said anyone who was white and made less than $250K and didn't vote for Obama is racist.

That's going way too far. But of course anyone who won't vote for him because he's black or thinks he's muslim is racist.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Actually what Palin was saying - and what McCain and her support - is not "stopping anyone" from having gay couples and straight couples have equal rights. They leave it up to the states to deny that from them. I think they just don't plan on having any legislation either way (which is better than the crazies who want a constitutional amendment anyway).

Obama/Biden are for repealing DOMA and civil unions with equivalent rights (though I don't know what other legislation they plan on passing).[/quote]


And Bush and Dick were against a Constitutional Amendment in 2000 while running too. Obama won't repeal DOMA, he is just saying that. it would create a mess he won't want to deal with. The best bet is to have the Supreme Court to over rule it, but with the crazys on it that won't happen either.
 
Its really the little issus of Partial birth abortion, gun rights, gay marriage etc that get a lot of the republians their votes.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Its really the little issus of Partial birth abortion, gun rights, gay marriage etc that get a lot of the republians their votes.[/QUOTE]

This. The ONLY fuckin reason a lot of my relatives on my mom's side, which is primarily Catholic, are voting for McCain and are Republicans is because they're pro-life. Hell, if there were a Pro-Life party, whose mission was to reverse Roe v. Wade and ban abortion at a federal level, they would be on it even if the same platform was pro-Holocaust and pro-date rape or something. I went over this with my great-aunt, a Catholic ex-nun, in 04. She said she was voting for our douchebag President again (nevermind that both Kerry and Biden are Catholic). I was on the phone with her and she said it was because he's pro-life. I asked her if sending thousands of troops and innocents to die in Iraq is pro-life. No answer. And then a following Christmas she gave me and my cousin coffee mugs that had W's ugly mug on them. I am not making this up. The sad thing is that otherwise she is a very intelligent lady, a chemist by profession for decades. Also the amusing thing is that she has no children herself.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']DoK your story makes me sad. Abortion should be a choice, not a law.[/QUOTE]

It's mainly the influence of my ex-nun great-aunt on my mom's side. My mother is, thank god, pro-choice and Democrat. Her brothers, under the influence of my great-aunt, however, are devout, pro-life Catholic Republicans. One of her brothers is even a City Councilman for a suburb of Boston. He said that one of the people in his city wrote him saying, "Not only you [something he did that I forget], but you're pro-life too!" Even though he is a fucking City Councilman that has fuck-all to do with that issue. Everyone else in my family, both my mom and dad's side, are pretty liberal even if they're "Catholics" by default (Italians lol). My cousin, a liberal lawyer, gets into heated debates EVERY SINGLE YEAR on Christmas Eve with my uncle who is a City Councilman (who happens to be my lawyer cousin's uncle) just because he is so stupidly blind in his beliefs. Yes, my family is pretty much a normal Italian family. :lol:
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']It's mainly the influence of my ex-nun great-aunt on my mom's side. My mother is, thank god, pro-choice and Democrat. Her brothers, under the influence of my great-aunt, however, are devout, pro-life Catholic Republicans. One of her brothers is even a City Councilman for a suburb of Boston. He said that one of the people in his city wrote him saying, "Not only you [something he did that I forget], but you're pro-life too!" Even though he is a fucking City Councilman that has fuck-all to do with that issue. Everyone else in my family, both my mom and dad's side, are pretty liberal even if they're "Catholics" by default (Italians lol). My cousin, a liberal lawyer, gets into heated debates EVERY SINGLE YEAR on Christmas Eve with my uncle who is a City Councilman (who happens to be my lawyer cousin's uncle) just because he is so stupidly blind in his beliefs. Yes, my family is pretty much a normal Italian family. :lol:[/quote]

Sounds just like my family.

Also what Suburb of Boston. I still have family up there.
 
[quote name='Snake2715']Its really the little issus of Partial birth abortion, gun rights, gay marriage etc that get a lot of the republians their votes.[/quote]

I don't think guns get the Republicans as many votes as you think.

I'm very pro-gun rights and there's no way in hell I'd vote for a modern-day Republican. This might have been a reason at one point, but these days both parties have a roughly similar position (at least on the national stage)

The people who are pro gun rights might surprise you, it makes for some interesting bedfellows that's for sure.
 
[quote name='FloodsAreUponUS']Sounds just like my family.

Also what Suburb of Boston. I still have family up there.[/quote]

Me too. I actually had to work up there too. Worst experience of my working life. I usually say every city has friendly people, but for Boston I'll make an exception.
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't think guns get the Republicans as many votes as you think.

I'm very pro-gun rights and there's no way in hell I'd vote for a modern-day Republican. This might have been a reason at one point, but these days both parties have a roughly similar position (at least on the national stage)

The people who are pro gun rights might surprise you, it makes for some interesting bedfellows that's for sure.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with you on the gun statement. Pro-gun people are all over the political spectrum. Generally, when I meet someone that's a far lefty, but also supports gun rights, I automatically have immense respect for him, because at the very least they understand the constitution - and it seems more and more people don't.

I do think the abortion issue alone fuels the majority of the Republican party. Just like welfare and entitlements fuel the Democratic party. It is a shame, sorta, that most people can't see past 1 or 2 issues on both sides.
 
There's an interesting graph in today's Fail Street Journal. It has a list of various "swing" states and what the change in party registration has been since 04 in these days. The only one that's really quite a huge (and hilarious) change is PA. Nearly 300k people have left the Republican party there since 2004, while about 350k people have joined the Democratic party there since 2004. :rofl::rofl::rofl: Oh, and new registrations in Florida for the Repubs has been effectively zero, while Dems have gained 130k.

Other details from the article (estimates from graphs):
-NV: D +130k R +40k (Bush only won NV by 20k in 04)
-NM: Dems net gain of voters +7k since 04, Bush only won by 6k in 04
 
I know I'll probably receive the wrong end of the flamethrower here, so let me preface by saying that I'm not voting for Obama or McCain because I don't trust either of them and think their policies are screwy. But getting back to what the OP was saying, with the racist label thrown around way too loosely (or sexist in terms of anti-Hillary voters), why has no one addressed the number of African Americans voting for Obama because he is black?

While I wish race didn't matter so much in the election, it's getting shoved down our throats from all angles. :\

Oh, and I'd vote Libertarian, but seriously, Bob Barr, really?
 
[quote name='plasticbathmonki']Why has no one addressed the number of African Americans voting for Obama because he is black?[/quote]

I'm sure there are plenty of black people who will vote for Obama because he's black, or vote when they otherwise wouldn't have simply because there's a black candidate, but historically black people have usually voted Democrat anyway, so it's really not surprising if a majority of black people vote for Obama.

What would be interesting is if there was a black Republican candidate and a white Democrat candidate and then black people voted Republican far more than usual.
 
Alot of people are voting for Obama because he's black because we see it as the fruition of Martin Luther King's dream. We will finally have a country that represents everyone instead of the white establishment. Maybe this is something that can finally bring the country together in harmony instead dividing us. A vote for Obama is more a vote for progress.

Besides, the Republican Party (up until this point) would never nominate a black person. Why? Because the Republican Party will never care about blacks or anyone else of color. After Obama, it's open season though. I wouldn't be surprised if Repubs starting mining colleges for young conservative minorities to show the public.
 
[quote name='SpazX']
What would be interesting is if there was a black Republican candidate and a white Democrat candidate and then black people voted Republican far more than usual.[/QUOTE]

Not even black people would vote for Alan Keyes.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Alot of people are voting for Obama because he's black because we see it as the fruition of Martin Luther King's dream. We will finally have a country that represents everyone instead of the white establishment. Maybe this is something that can finally bring the country together in harmony instead dividing us. A vote for Obama is more a vote for progress.

Besides, the Republican Party (up until this point) would never nominate a black person. Why? Because the Republican Party will never care about blacks or anyone else of color. After Obama, it's open season though. I wouldn't be surprised if Repubs starting mining colleges for young conservative minorities to show the public.[/quote]

While I don't necessarily disagree with alot of what you are saying, let's not throw stones in glass houses. While the Neocon Republican Party hasn't done much of anything for anyone, African American or otherwise, the Republicans were pivotal in ending slavery and passing the Civil Rights Act. of '64. It was the Democrats who were more on the opposition then.
 
[quote name='plasticbathmonki']While I don't necessarily disagree with alot of what you are saying, let's not throw stones in glass houses. While the Neocon Republican Party hasn't done much of anything for anyone, African American or otherwise, the Republicans were pivotal in ending slavery and passing the Civil Rights Act. of '64. It was the Democrats who were more on the opposition then.[/quote]

That's nice, but it's not really relevant to compare them. The Republican party of now includes the Pro-segregation Dixiecrats of yesteryear (well, the ones alive, and their ideological descendants) and of course has changed quite a bit since the times of slavery. What makes up the party now is what really matters.
 
[quote name='depascal22']
Besides, the Republican Party (up until this point) would never nominate a black person. Why? Because the Republican Party will never care about blacks or anyone else of color. After Obama, it's open season though. I wouldn't be surprised if Repubs starting mining colleges for young conservative minorities to show the public.[/QUOTE]

I think it's a bit inaccurate to say they "will never care about blacks or anyone else of color". It's more like, they will never concede to as many welfare and entitlement programs (i.e. free stuff) as the Democrats will, by nature of their platform. It has nothing to do with skin color bias.
 
[quote name='SpazX']That's nice, but it's not really relevant to compare them. The Republican party of now includes the Pro-segregation Dixiecrats of yesteryear (well, the ones alive, and their ideological descendants) and of course has changed quite a bit since the times of slavery. What makes up the party now is what really matters.[/quote]

You can pretty much chart this by looking at the career of Strom Thurmond
 
I support McCain. But that's because I support the Second Amendment, Off-Shore drilling and equal tax cuts for all.

No, I'm not rich, but taxing richer people a higher percent is just WRONG. Everyone needs to pay the same percentage of taxes.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']No, I'm not rich, but taxing richer people a higher percent is just WRONG. Everyone needs to pay the same percentage of taxes.[/quote]

I don't know how middle/lower class people got tricked into believing that, but it works well.

Do you think that charging the same percentage is more fair than charging different ones? Is that it?
 
[quote name='SpazX']I don't know how middle/lower class people got tricked into believing that, but it works well.

Do you think that charging the same percentage is more fair than charging different ones? Is that it?[/quote]

If someone makes more money, why should they have to pay a higher percentage of taxes? If I pay 10%, a rich person should pay 10% too. It's only fair. I have the same opportunities to make just as much money as them. Just because I don't, doesn't mean they need to be punished.
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']If someone makes more money, why should they have to pay a higher percentage of taxes? If I pay 10%, a rich person should pay 10% too. It's only fair. I have the same opportunities to make just as much money as them. Just because I don't, doesn't mean they need to be punished.[/quote]

You aren't paying the same though. They are paying less than you. If you are paying 10% (it's probably more like 30% though) the rich are paying 5% (more like 17% but this is all circumstantial )
 
[quote name='Access_Denied']If someone makes more money, why should they have to pay a higher percentage of taxes? If I pay 10%, a rich person should pay 10% too. It's only fair. I have the same opportunities to make just as much money as them. Just because I don't, doesn't mean they need to be punished.[/quote]

So it is that you think it's more fair and a rich person paying a higher percentage in taxes is unfair and they are being punished for making more money. And you also think you have the same opportunities.

So if you make $50k, the government should take the $5k (10%) and leave you with $45k. To be fair, the government should take $50k (10%) from the person making $500k and leave them with $450k rather than taking something like 30%, leaving them with $350k.

Is taking an equal percentage less fair than taking a flat number? For instance, you make $50k and the government takes $5k, maybe they should just take $5k from somebody making $500k too, and do the same for everybody else. It's the same number, afterall, which is fair, isn't it? I mean, a percentage also increases the amount of money you have to pay depending on how much you make, which is punishing a person for making more money, is it not?
 
Studying a little bit about the politics and law in my wife's country, I came away impressed with their flat tax system (starting at about 26%, reducing 1% a year, suppose to stop at 22%). It seems pretty cool, but I'm no economist. I found it odd, though, that they have a flat tax, yet are nearly socialist in many other aspects (like most of europe).
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Studying a little bit about the politics and law in my wife's country, I came away impressed with their flat tax system (starting at about 26%, reducing 1% a year, suppose to stop at 22%). It seems pretty cool, but I'm no economist. I found it odd, though, that they have a flat tax, yet are nearly socialist in many other aspects (like most of europe).[/quote]

I would think it depends on the wealth disparity really. If the people in the country all make about the same amount of money, then a flat income tax makes sense. I know nothing about what you're talking about in particular, but that's just a general idea.
 
[quote name='HowStern']You aren't paying the same though. They are paying less than you. If you are paying 10% (it's probably more like 30% though) the rich are paying 5% (more like 17% but this is all circumstantial )[/quote]

Ah, see, I didn't know that. Then in that case, we need to raise the percentage of taxes the rich pay. It needs to be equal.

And no, a flat tax isn't equal at all. A percentage is much more fair and you know it.
 
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