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[quote name='spmahn'] I don't buy the "sex drive" argument at all, there's plenty of people who don't have sex.
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But they are the exception to the rule. Human nature is an absolute. It just describes the dominate behavior of the majority of the species.

The vast majority of people who are able to (physically capable, have the social skills to get a mate etc.) will be sexual active for most of their lives.

Can some over-ride that cause in the name or religion or other reasons? Sure. But the whole point of celibacy is that they CAN resist their basic drive to honor god.

If there wasn't a hugely strong, innate sex drive, then it celibacy wouldn't be much of a sacrifice would it?


It's not the schools place to have out condoms any more than it is their place to hand out bibles.
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Probably not. They should be in the public health department and other easily accessible (and well advertised) places in the community. And sex ed classes should give out a list of places that distribute free condoms.
 
[quote name='spmahn']I don't buy the "sex drive" argument at all, there's plenty of people who don't have sex.[/QUOTE]

I'm the first person to have a shitfit when someone uses a term like "human nature" as a way of explaining behavior or attitudes. But really, this has been physiologically known since long before we were born. This isn't some crummy "soft science" like sociology or criminology (;)), this is chemistry and biology - human development, hormonal growth and responses, physical changes and capacities that develop during puberty, etc.

There's plenty about sex that's sociological in origin, but underlying it all is so much that's more than scientifically demonstrable.
 
It's not even just human nature. It's just the nature of all life. All life is programmed to reproduce and keep the species going.

Be it humans, animals, fish etc. Or plants that adapt to survive climate changes and keep putting out spores and seeds that can grow etc.
 
Handing out condoms is not equal to handing out bibles. One is proven to be effective against STDs and unwanted pregnancy. The other is thought to be the ticket to heaven. How can you really compare the two?
 
[quote name='spmahn']It's not the schools place to have out condoms any more than it is their place to hand out bibles.[/QUOTE]

This is what I'm talking about, myke.

I believe it is the school's job to pass them out. I can take classes in Home Ec, Woodshop (not sure they still have this), Driver's Ed, Physical Education, etc. that have no bearing on my intellectual well being but prepare me for real life.

Schools can teach these things but they can't hand out condoms? I'd say a good analogy would be taking Driver's Ed but no one says a word about seatbelts because it would encourage kids to take risks and drive fast.
 
I'd agree with spmahn though. It's the schools' place to teach about them - you bet your ass on that - but not to spend the money to provide them. There are avenues for purchase or social service agencies (AIDS organizations by and large) that provide them for free. The argument for providing them from the school is that students wouldn't acquire them otherwise, and I haven't seen anything to demonstrate this one way or another.
 
Hmm - a fair point.

I'm picturing what the lunch room might look like if high school kids got access to free and unlimited condoms - as well as the teasing that would go on. Now, of course, you ain't gonna stop kids teasing any more than you're gonna stop 'em fucking.
 
I don't think the school necessarily has to be the one offering them, but they should be available somewhere that the students can get easy access to and the schools can at least tell them where that is.

I think the only argument for the schools doing it is that it may be the only place where the students would be able to easily get them in some areas. It's not like they're all necessarily driving or otherwise live in a place where they can get around easily without asking their parents to take them out to pick up some condoms.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Hmm - a fair point.

I'm picturing what the lunch room might look like if high school kids got access to free and unlimited condoms - as well as the teasing that would go on. Now, of course, you ain't gonna stop kids teasing any more than you're gonna stop 'em fucking.[/QUOTE]

You can stop kids from teasing...
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Was at my old High School a few months ago and saw this. Obviously, schools are taking great leaps in keeping kids from teasing on another... ;)
 
[quote name='UncleBob']You can stop kids from teasing...
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Was at my old High School a few months ago and saw this. Obviously, schools are taking great leaps in keeping kids from teasing on another... ;)[/QUOTE]

Those posters look like they began the emo movement.
 
[quote name='SpazX']I don't think the school necessarily has to be the one offering them, but they should be available somewhere that the students can get easy access to and the schools can at least tell them where that is.

I think the only argument for the schools doing it is that it may be the only place where the students would be able to easily get them in some areas. It's not like they're all necessarily driving or otherwise live in a place where they can get around easily without asking their parents to take them out to pick up some condoms.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, the latter is an issue. Not so much in cities where kids can walk to the health department or other locations with free condoms.

But in a rural area, if they (or their friends) don't have cars they don't have a way to get to places with free condoms.

Cost isn't an issue, I'm sure plenty of organizations would donate condoms. Hell, even some of the condom manufacturers would probably donate them in aims to get kids using their brand right away so that's what they buy down the road. It's just a moral issue.
 
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