Who Thinks cheapyD did the right thing?

Sorry Cheapy but you made made yourself and CAG look really bad by

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

I would expect you of all people to know how immature, foolish and plain retarded the people on the forums over there are so why bother posting a complaint that will accomplish nothing except provide entertainment to the their local idiots? The forums over there are a zoo - no administrator gives a shit about something posted there.

Free Information belongs to all, and in this case this information wasn't exclusive so the information was fair game, sounds shady I know. If they got the information from you then yes they should have sourced this site out of consideration/respect, but they don't have too, but since the information wasn't exactly exclusive and considering there ties to the industry you just might have not been the source. If your information was 100% exclusive then yes, you should be sourced because your the one telling the world information no one can get yet.
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[quote name='Scrubking']Sorry Cheapy but you made made yourself and CAG look really bad by

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

I would expect you of all people to know how immature, foolish and plain retarded the people on the forums over there are so why bother posting a complaint that will accomplish nothing except provide entertainment to the their local idiots? The forums over there are a zoo - no administrator gives a shit about something posted there.


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That quote is fucking perfect...it's exactly how I feel about this.

:applause:
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Looks like I ain't the only one with this problem:
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000693042786/
http://calacanis.weblogsinc.com/entry/1234000623042803/
Seems like a phone call to the CEO solved their problem.

EDIT: here is another complaint: http://www.paidcontent.org/pc/arch/2004_08_06.shtml#009379[/QUOTE]

Yes, but directly copying images from another site is a completely different story.

In this case, Gamestop didn't even copy your article in any way. It was news that you have no way of knowing that they took from this site.

I have to agree with Rich... this isn't a positive going out in public about this.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence
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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from how I take it, the person on Gamespot who wrote the article, posted in the thread on CAG (of the alleged stolen news) prior to the article being posted on Gamespot, which would be pretty good evidence in my book.
 
[quote name='AngellicLulu']Forgive me if I'm wrong, but from how I take it, the person on Gamespot who wrote the article, posted in the thread on CAG (of the alleged stolen news) prior to the article being posted on Gamespot, which would be pretty good evidence in my book.[/QUOTE]

seeing as the article was posted at approx. 3:30 EST and the previous post to the bump cheapy gave it was at 12 EST that would make your assertion correct
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum
[/QUOTE]

I would say that's the best place to bring something like this up. GS and GF writers always bitch about stealing their work, it would be nice for them to acknowledge the fact that plenty of their own members of thiefs too.
 
[quote name='Rich']That quote is fucking perfect...it's exactly how I feel about this.

:applause:[/QUOTE]


Seriously, do you and Scrubking EVER disagree, or are you just the same person?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Seriously, do you and Scrubking EVER disagree, or are you just the same person?[/QUOTE]

We're one in the same.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Sorry Cheapy but you made made yourself and CAG look really bad by

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

I would expect you of all people to know how immature, foolish and plain retarded the people on the forums over there are so why bother posting a complaint that will accomplish nothing except provide entertainment to the their local idiots? The forums over there are a zoo - no administrator gives a shit about something posted there. [/QUOTE]

I agree. I would've said this but I don't have the balls to tell that to the owner of the site.
 
I'll toss my chips into Cheapy's pile on this one. :)

Whatever really happened here, Gamespot can bite me. They're only a few steps above IGN, if you ask me.
 
I think it is stupid for Cheapy to complain. I mean, this site was founded on disrespecting retailers' requests to NOT post deals from ads elsewhere. In fact, retailers have tried to invoke copyright laws to make it illegal to report sale prices (Bestbuy comes to mind).

What Cheapy is asking for is equivalent to a BSD-style license (you can use it, but just give credit). However, Cheapy clearly does not have the copyright to the deals, so his desire for a BSD-style license is meaningless, just like retailers' requests for a STFU-style license is meaningless.

If anyone's deal-copying requests should be honored then it is the retailers. However, I think we all share my sentiment when I say "fuck the retailers". Therefore, no matter how much I love and respect Cheapy, it's only fair to also say "fuck Cheapy".
 
[quote name='Scorch']I agree. I would've said this but I don't have the balls to tell that to the owner of the site.[/QUOTE]

Pussy. I don't care if he's fucking Jesus, I'm going to call him out when he does something stupid like this.
 
[quote name='Rich']Pussy. I don't care if he's fucking Jesus, I'm going to call him out when he does something stupid like this.[/QUOTE]


Wow, your really shooting the moon on this one aren't ya?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Wow, your really shooting the moon on this one aren't ya?[/QUOTE]

Unlike 99% of CAG, I don't hold Cheapy to double standards. I respect him as much as I respect most of the other members, but I'm not going to agree with everything he does and says like so many people here...this isn't a cult.

He could ban me if he liked, but that speaks more of his character than mine.
 
[quote name='Rich']Unlike 99% of CAG, I don't hold Cheapy to double standards. I respect him as much as I respect most of the other members, but I'm not going to agree with everything he does and says like so many people here...this isn't a cult.

He could ban me if he liked, but that speaks more of his character than mine.[/QUOTE]

Its one thing to disagree with someone and its another to be so vocal about calling their actions "stupid".


I don't see it as a matter of respect because he's some "cult" leader. Personally, I see myself as a visitor to the site that is owned by CheapyD and as if I were a visitor in someone's home, I will always show them respect. I feel that part of that respect is to not insult someone.
 
The poll doesn't cover enough choice wise. Some people could just be bashing GS for the retarded "pay for a different color template (ice)" thing.
 
If it was a credible and respected website that lifted the news, I might be concerned. But GS is neither credible or respected much anymore. They are a joke. No serious gamer I've ever met reads their filth, or dares to go into that simian fecal throwing mess they call their forums. The bright colors and graphics? That's for the ADHD crowd.

Even if you are wrong, it doesn't matter. No apology could ever be understood, as higher forms of thinkers don't regularly post there.

BTW, I actually had to defend CAG on FW the other day:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/messageview.php?start=0&catid=18&threadid=505570
 
[quote name='chunk'] I mean, this site was founded on disrespecting retailers' requests to NOT post deals from ads elsewhere.[/QUOTE]This is a completely false statement.

1) CAG was founded as a place for people to find cheap video games.
2) I mantain (for the most part) very good relationships with the retailers.
 
[quote name='CheapyD'] 2) I mantain (for the most part) very good relationships with the retailers.[/QUOTE]

I can tell you definitely have a good relationship with EB after all those CAGs were screwed out of their Syphon Filter gift vouchers, and you were able to get EB to honor it.

But how are you able to maintain good relationships with retailers?

It seems with all the leaked info, super-cheap games and crazy deals (price glitches, absurd one-sided trade-ins, flipping, etc.) that can be found on CAG, most companies would be pissed at you and CAG... I guess in the long run, those companies are still making money on us and people from this site.
 
[quote name='sabin23']I can tell you definitely have a good relationship with EB after all those CAGs were screwed out of their Syphon Filter gift vouchers, and you were able to get EB to honor it.

But how are you able to maintain good relationships with retailers?

It seems with all the leaked info, super-cheap games and crazy deals (price glitches, absurd one-sided trade-ins, flipping, etc.) that can be found on CAG, most companies would be pissed at you and CAG... I guess in the long run, those companies are still making money on us and people from this site.[/QUOTE]
Merchandise that is just sitting in a warehouse not moving is worthless. Don't feel sorry for the retailers...discounted or not, they're still raking in money hand over fist via sales from CAG.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']This is a completely false statement.

1) CAG was founded as a place for people to find cheap video games.
2) I mantain (for the most part) very good relationships with the retailers.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe not CAG specifically, but when deal sites in general started popping up most retailers weren't happy about it for the reasons sabin23 posted. I remember an incident on FatWallet where BestBuy tried to use the DMCA to prevent Black Friday deal posting and I remember that BestBuy wasn't the only one trying to use copyright laws to keep their deals under wraps.

I guess most retailers have learned to live with the existence of deal sites and incorporate them into their business models, but I don't think there was always such a symbiotic relationship.

Your comments?
 
[quote name='chunk']Well maybe not CAG specifically, but when deal sites in general started popping up most retailers weren't happy about it for the reasons sabin23 posted. I remember an incident on FatWallet where BestBuy tried to use the DMCA to prevent Black Friday deal posting and I remember that BestBuy wasn't the only one trying to use copyright laws to keep their deals under wraps.

I guess most retailers have learned to live with the existence of deal sites and incorporate them into their business models, but I don't think there was always such a symbiotic relationship.

Your comments?[/QUOTE]

That is all true.
Best Buy (& Walmart) did go after Fatwallet and then Fatwallet counter-sued. Nothing came of any of it, except the lawyers made some money. Neither side could prove that the other were causing any actual damages.

Best Buy has been the most vocal about eliminating relationships with "deal sites" and their "devil customers".
 
[quote name='CheapyD']That is all true.
Best Buy (& Walmart) did go after Fatwallet and then Fatwallet counter-sued. Nothing came of any of it, except the lawyers made some money. Neither side could prove that the other were causing any actual damages.

Best Buy has been the most vocal about eliminating relationships with "deal sites" and their "devil customers".[/QUOTE]

So do you think Bestbuy, Walmart, etc. would like you to stop hosting information on their deals?
 
[quote name='chunk']So do you think Bestbuy, Walmart, etc. would like you to stop hosting information on their deals?[/QUOTE]Since Best Buy dropped CAG from their affiliate program, probably, but who knows? I still don't understand how a retailer can complain about your customers "taking advantage" of their sales, if they are the one creating the promotions!

The other retailers would contact me and/or drop CAG from their affiliate programs if they wanted us to stop posting deals. Of course, this would have no real effect on the deal postings, but a lot of big companies are pretty short sighted. CAG has a big enough audience at this point, that it will survive even if every retailer drops us from their programs.

In fact, dropping CAG from an affiliate program would tend to produce opposite of the desired effect. If CAG is not a part of a retailer's affiliate program, that means there is no relationship between the two companies so we are pretty much free to do whatever we want.

For example, when I spot pricing mistakes on EB Games website, I alert my EB representitive immediately. This is because CAG and EB have a relationship which I value (and I know the CAG community values as well).

If a relationship like this was to end, I would really have no reason to let the retailer know about their errors other than the fact that promoting obvious pricing errors tends to create problems on both the customer and retailer side.
 
[quote name='cheapfrag']So where do most CAGs go for reviews of games, if not gamespot? I like to read up on a game before I drop $40-50 on it.[/QUOTE]

www.gamerankings.com :cool:

it will give you the avg score from a wide variety of reviewers (including gamespot).
 
[quote name='CheapyD']Since Best Buy dropped CAG from their affiliate program, probably, but who knows? I still don't understand how a retailer can complain about your customers "taking advantage" of their sales, if they are the one creating the promotions!

The other retailers would contact me and/or drop CAG from their affiliate programs if they wanted us to stop posting deals. Of course, this would have no real effect on the deal postings, but a lot of big companies are pretty short sighted. CAG has a big enough audience at this point, that it will survive even if every retailer drops us from their programs.

In fact, dropping CAG from an affiliate program would tend to produce opposite of the desired effect. If CAG is not a part of a retailer's affiliate program, that means there is no relationship between the two companies so we are pretty much free to do whatever we want.

For example, when I spot pricing mistakes on EB Games website, I alert my EB representitive immediately. This is because CAG and EB have a relationship which I value (and I know the CAG community values as well).

If a relationship like this was to end, I would really have no reason to let the retailer know about their errors other than the fact that promoting obvious pricing errors tends to create problems on both the customer and retailer side.[/QUOTE]

I was going to follow up with something about "if you don't care what BestBuy thinks then why should GameSpot care what you think?", but I've lost the desire to interrogate you. :p ;)

Anyway, just out of curiosity, since you're a man with contacts on the inside, why does EB have those crazy price drops (you know the kind I'm talking about....where a game can go from $50 down to $10 and back up to $50 in an hour)? Is it by mistake or on purpose?
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Sorry Cheapy but you made made yourself and CAG look really bad by

1. Complaining about gamespot (whos forum is directly linked with Gamefaqs), on their forum

2. Accusing somebody in public without a shred of evidence

I would expect you of all people to know how immature, foolish and plain retarded the people on the forums over there are so why bother posting a complaint that will accomplish nothing except provide entertainment to the their local idiots? The forums over there are a zoo - no administrator gives a shit about something posted there.


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gamefags.. i mean gamefaqs... rofl... are you kidding me...

i think cheapy did not dent CAG's image at all, in fact helped hits... i can imagine a spike in hits after the incident.. you know what they say, any publicity is good publicity.

people will go to gamefags, gs to be a monkey, and will come to CAG to eat bananas...
 
[quote name='Rich']Unlike 99% of CAG, I don't hold Cheapy to double standards. I respect him as much as I respect most of the other members, but I'm not going to agree with everything he does and says like so many people here...this isn't a cult.

He could ban me if he liked, but that speaks more of his character than mine.[/QUOTE]

I'm a rare one that agrees with you, especially since Cheapy showed his true colors in dealing with me.
 
[quote name='kittie']I'm a rare one that agrees with you, especially since Cheapy showed his true colors in dealing with me.[/QUOTE]

You mean his ability to be sensible?:D
 
[quote name='CheapyD']
For example, when I spot pricing mistakes on EB Games website, I alert my EB representitive immediately. This is because CAG and EB have a relationship which I value (and I know the CAG community values as well).
[/QUOTE]

I guess you gotta do what you gotta do, but anything that kills deals is bad IMO. I know people bitch about the FW effect, but I doubt their admins tip off retailers to the good deals even if they are mistakes.
 
[quote name='CheapyD']GameSpot definitely didn't get it first, thats for sure.

I realize that posting on their message board won't fix anything (the thread has since been locked anyway), but they have NO CONTACT INFO on their website, so its pretty much that or nothing.[/QUOTE]

I didn't read all the way down the page here, but I did a whois and found the following contact info:

Registrant:
CNET Networks, Inc
(DOM-311616)
235 Second Street San Francisco
CA
94105 US

Domain Name: gamespot.com

Registrar Name: Markmonitor.com
Registrar Whois: whois.markmonitor.com
Registrar Homepage: http://www.markmonitor.com

Administrative Contact:
Host Master
(NIC-1500677)
CNET Networks, Inc
235 Second Street San Francisco
CA
94105 US
[email protected] +1.4153442000 Fax- +1.4153442000
Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
Host Master
(NIC-1500677)
CNET Networks, Inc
235 Second Street San Francisco
CA
94105 US
[email protected] +1.4153442000 Fax- +1.4153442000
 
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