Who Thinks McCain Has a Shot at Winning?

Just flip a coin, kids.

Heads, it's slivery broomstick to the ass
Tails, it's getting jerked off by a latex glove covered in glue and tacks.

I love America.
 
[quote name='depascal22']Never say never. I am predicting an Obama landslide but my fingers are crossed. If this goes to the overtime in the Supreme Court, McCain wins.[/quote]


I'm almost betting something like going to courts, doing something stupid.. then finding out McCain to be annouced as the next president... 2000 all over again.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']I think McCain will win Ohio at least. All the votes are funneled to a 3rd party who then tells the secretary of state what the numbers are. The same company who delivered Ohio to Bush in 2004, and the same company who "lost" 5 million Cheney emails.

I'm not sure of the likelihood that he will be able to steal ALL the other states he needs.[/QUOTE]

Yep, Ohio is broken as fuck. We have a new Sec of State, but I'm pretty sure everything else is the same. That's why I don't think Obama will win Ohio. There's a very good chance he would win if the voting system in Ohio were fair, but it's all very sketchy.
 
[quote name='billyrox']Now this is interesting from Karl Rove

Final massive Obama Win tommorrow

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/11/electoral-map-o.html

and this dude actually does know about to really poll accurately[/QUOTE]

Stealing lilboo's avatar for a moment:
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[quote name='Dead of Knight']Stealing lilboo's avatar for a moment:
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lol. sorry... i was talking on the phone with my girlfriend while i was typing that sentence... i guess it didn't make much sense, but i've rewritten it:D
 
It's up in the air still.

A lot of the battleground states are toss-ups, and the recent leak of Obama's plan for Coal companies and our electric bills may be enough to get the on-the-fencers off of it.
 
[quote name='billyrox']lol. sorry... i was talking on the phone with my girlfriend while i was typing that sentence... i guess it didn't make much sense, but i've rewritten it:D[/QUOTE]

Oh, I wasn't talking about your comments at all, I was talking about Rove predicting an Obama win. Though he might be doing this to rally the Republicans to get their asses out and vote.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']the coal thing is horseshit.[/quote]

The whole McCain is Bush thing is bullshit. Then again, so is McCain Feingold.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']^ Entertain me. What of McCain's policies differ from Bush's? Tax cuts? The war? Education? Health care?[/quote]

No no, the matter that makes them up occupies entirely different regions of space. To say that they're the same is a despicable lie.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Yeah, I use that site too. And from it I just see little chance of McCain winning.

Currently it has Obama at 278 with none of the major toss up states in his column other than Colorado and Nevada.

I just don't see McCain turning any of those blue states Red, and on top of that Obama will win several of the toss up states on that map IMO.[/quote]

Several of the states that are leaning Obama doesn't mean much, half the toss up states are hard McCain states. All McCain really needs to win is Virgina and Ohio because Obama has a slim chance of winning North Caralina, or Florida (it's just too fucked up).

[quote name='moonknight25']I am confident in the voters actually voting on issues and not smears[/quote]


Yes and I thin kI just saw a pig fly by.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Karl Rove has his own website? Who knew.:lol:[/QUOTE]

Pretty much everyone has their own website nowadays. Of course Rove, Republican mastermind, has one.
 
So what do we do if he wins tomorrow?
I'm looking for answers similar to when we had substitute teachers; "at 2:30, we'll drop our pens!"

If he wins, tomorrow at 7:00pm (EST) we'll all take a shit in the street?
 
[quote name='lilboo']So what do we do if he wins tomorrow?
I'm looking for answers similar to when we had substitute teachers; "at 2:30, we'll drop our pens!"

If he wins, tomorrow at 7:00pm (EST) we'll all take a shit in the street?[/QUOTE]

He won't win by 7pm. If McCain actually ends up winning, it'll be a looooong night. If Obama wins, expect it to be a fast win, though it could take longer if the race is tighter than suspected.
 
Oh I meant by Wednesday, :rofl:
I am so fucked up on my days right now. I'm JUST getting settled back in. I had to take off work tomorrow too just so I can get my shit together
 
[quote name='KingBroly']The whole McCain is Bush thing is bullshit.[/QUOTE]

You know if you were to just come out and admit you were spreading BS I would actually respect you more.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']He won't win by 7pm. If McCain actually ends up winning, it'll be a looooong night. If Obama wins, expect it to be a fast win, though it could take longer if the race is tighter than suspected.[/quote]

Usually black men take longer to finish, but I case there are exceptions to every rule, eh?
 
[quote name='evanft']Usually black men take longer to finish, but I case there are exceptions to every rule, eh?[/QUOTE]

Obama IS half-Kenyan.

(I know you're talking about another race. ;))
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']The race will not be over tomrrow, if you think it will be you are in a dreamland with Kirby. :)[/QUOTE]

It is going to be a blowout.
 
Some more good news for the superstitious Obama supporters....

Since 1936, the outcome of the last Redskins home game before Election Day has correctly predicted the winner of the presidential race. No, seriously. For 64 years and 17 U.S. presidential elections, if the Redskins won the game, the incumbent party won the White House. If they lost, so did the incumbent party.

Redskins are down 23-6 to the Steelers with 11 minutes left. Hopefully I didn't just jinx them!
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Some more good news for the superstitious Obama supporters....



Redskins are down 23-6 to the Steelers with 11 minutes left. Hopefully I didn't just jinx them![/quote]
hahahhahha.... Yes we can@!
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Some more good news for the superstitious Obama supporters....



Redskins are down 23-6 to the Steelers with 11 minutes left. Hopefully I didn't just jinx them![/quote]

I think it's everytime besides 2004, so yeah that's useless.

Blowout... yeah that will be the day.
 
D'oh, your right, that streak broke in 2004. Oh well, the predictor had to be off once! :D

I just don't share your pessimism.

Obama wins with well over 300 electoral votes.
 
I like being a pessimist, I get pleasantly surprised when I'm wrong, and not very disappointed when I'm right. So that's why I'm still very fearful McCain will run away with this election.
 
Steelers won 23-6. :D

Thought this was a good read in last weeks Newsweek.

Why McCain Won: Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory: how that scenario could (but likely won't) play out.

Jonathan Alter
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Nov 3, 2008

The conventional wisdom, which I share, is that Barack Obama will win this election, perhaps by a healthy margin. But Democrats are nervous wrecks; they're having nightmares that defeat will be snatched from the jaws of victory. To add to their misery (and guard against complacency), here's how that horror film could play out:

In the end, the problem was the LIVs. That's short for "low-information voters," the three fifths of the electorate that show up once every four years to vote for president but mostly hate politics. These are the 75 million folks who didn't vote in the primaries. They don't read newsmagazines or newspapers, don't watch any cable news and don't cast their ballots early. Their allegiance to a candidate is as easily shed as a T shirt. Several million moved to Obama through September and October; they'd heard he handled himself well in the debates. Then, in the last week, the LIVs swung back to the default choice: John McCain. Some had good reasons other than the color of Obama's skin to desert him; many more did not. In October, a study by the Associated Press estimated that Obama's race would cost him 6 percent. The percentage was smaller, but still enough to give the presidency to McCain.

Obama's field organization was superb, so it was no surprise that most of the 18 million Hillary Clinton voters came home to the Democrats; the person-to-person voter contact (and significant resentment about the selection of Sarah Palin) made a big difference. But the huge swath of more than 30 million independents broke heavily for McCain. By piling up overwhelming margins in big blue states like California, New York and Illinois, Obama carried the popular vote, but he ended up like Al Gore in 2000—denied admission to the Electoral College.

The first ominous sign was largely missed amid the Democratic euphoria after Obama outclassed McCain on the financial crisis. While most of the country moved toward the Democratic nominee in early October, Ohio did not. Obama could never close the sale there. In a repeat of the Democratic primary, his big totals coming out of Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) weren't enough to offset larger-than-expected losses in the suburbs around Cincinnati and Columbus.

Florida had looked promising for Obama for a time, but his weakness among seniors caught up with him. One national poll from early October should have been a warning: it showed him up by 7 overall, but down 14 among those older than 65. And Sarah Silverman's "Great Schlep" fell short. Obama easily carried the Jewish vote, but not with the 75 percent won by Gore and John Kerry. As it turned out, the real problem wasn't south Florida, where Hispanics came in surprisingly well for Obama. It was erosion in the critical I-4 corridor near Tampa and in the Panhandle, where the astonishing Republican margins among whites could be attributed only to race.

Obama shifted New Mexico, Iowa and Nevada from red to blue. But there was a reason Virginia hadn't gone Democratic since 1964. The transformation of the northern part of the state couldn't overcome a huge McCain margin among whites farther south. They weren't the racists of their parents' generation, but they weren't quite ready to vote for the unthinkable, either.

As McCain closed the gap in the last week with his message on taxes and fear of another terrorist attack, the race came down to New Hampshire (which went for Kerry in 2004) and Colorado (which went for President Bush). Obama needed one of them to get to 270 electoral votes. New Hampshire's fabled independents had long had a soft spot for McCain in GOP primaries, and they delivered for him again. Colorado, after flirting with Obama, simply reverted to form, with Palin's frontier image helping a bit.

Obama had wired every college campus in the country, and he enjoyed great enthusiasm among politically engaged young people. But less-engaged students told reporters the day after the election that they had meant to vote for Obama but were "too busy." History held: young people once again voted in lower percentages than their elders. Waiting for them turned out to be like waiting for Godot.

The Obama margin among young voters was underestimated a little in some polls because so many 18- to 24-year-olds use only cell phones. But the deeper failure of the polling came from methodology that could not properly account for the nine in 10 voters who won't answer a polltaker's questions. With ceaseless robo-calls and as many as 15 live calls from campaigns to each household in a swing state, even fewer people than normal took time in the last two weeks to respond. Who were the voters slamming down the phone? Disproportionately for McCain. In rebuffing pollsters, they skewed the sample toward Obama, inflating his "support."

At the start of the campaign season NEWSWEEK asked, "Is America Ready" for a black president? The answer: only if Obama proved close to a flawless candidate, and even then, we won't know for sure until Election Day. That doesn't mean Obama lost because all, or even most, McCain voters allowed race to be a factor. But enough did to change the outcome.

Democrats are despairing over the results, fearing they might never view their country in the same light again. Even many Republicans are subdued at the news of McCain's victory. Having expected him to lose, they know the GOP has now completed a sorry transition from the party of Lincoln to the party of cynicism. McCain, they're reasoning, might prove a fine president, but it shouldn't have happened like this.

It probably won't. Millions of people in the rest of the world assume that Barack Obama cannot be elected because he is black. They assume that the original sin of American history—enshrined in our Constitution—cannot be transcended. I go into next week's election with a different assumption—that the common sense and decency of the American people will prove the skeptics wrong.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']D'oh, your right, that streak broke in 2004. Oh well, the predictor had to be off once! :D
I just don't share your pessimism.
Obama wins with well over 300 electoral votes.[/quote]

It's called don't start the party before everyone has voted! How hard is that!

Plus I guess no one else here is a pre-2004 Red Sox fan. Several times you can feel the win only be be disappointed every time.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']D'oh, your right, that streak broke in 2004. Oh well, the predictor had to be off once! :D

I just don't share your pessimism.

Obama wins with well over 300 electoral votes.[/QUOTE]

IIRC, 2004 also broke the "taller candidate always wins" superstition that's been the case since the first televised debate.
 
I'm not starting the party, I'm just optimistic of the outcome.

I'd rather be optimistic in life and be disappointed from time to time, rather than be a pessimist and only be happy from time to time! :D
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Steelers won 23-6. :D

Thought this was a good read in last weeks Newsweek.[/QUOTE]

Thanks a lot. That article has officially scared the shit out of me.
 
I just made a map, Obama wins VA, and the three western states and all that. McCain wins MO, IN, OH, FL, NC, and PA. All of that is very possible, the poll are so close in all those states.

Guess what happens, remember you need 270 to win...

Obama 270
McCain 271

And I'm very happy in life, just this is extremely important and the Fake America people are stupid and ignorant to vote for someone who isn't an ass.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']I just made a map, Obama wins VA, and the three western states and all that. McCain wins MO, IN, OH, FL, NC, and PA. All of that is very possible, the poll are so close in all those states.

Guess what happens, remember you need 270 to win...

Obama 270
McCain 271

And I'm very happy in life, just this is extremely important and the Fake America people are stupid and ignorant to vote for someone who isn't an ass.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure Obama will win PA. Out of all the ones you listed, he has the best shot by far there. He's 8 points ahead there according to electoral-vote.com. I'm not so sure about VA though. If Obama JUST wins PA, the most likely of the ones you listed, and all the other states you said you had on the list, but loses VA, he will still win.
 
Yeah I don't see McCain having any chance in PA. That's why I just don't see him winning. It may be closer than I think, but playing around on the map I just can't come up with an scenarios where he gets over 270 unless the polls have just been totally, completely wrong over the past month. And they're usually not off by that much at the state level.
 
Kerry has a several point lead in POLLS too, come election day he only won the state by 3%, and he was a white guy.

There is anothe chance of Obama winning the normal states plus, NV, NM, PA, and that's it. He gets 269 EVs!

McCain gets MO, IN, OH, VA, NC, FL and gets 269 EVs!
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']Kerry has a several point lead in POLLS too, come election day he only won the state by 3%, and he was a white guy.[/QUOTE]

True, but your scenario of Obama winning VA is even less likely than him winning PA.
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']I just made a map, Obama wins VA, and the three western states and all that. McCain wins MO, IN, OH, FL, NC, and PA. All of that is very possible, the poll are so close in all those states.

Guess what happens, remember you need 270 to win...

Obama 270
McCain 271

And I'm very happy in life, just this is extremely important and the Fake America people are stupid and ignorant to vote for someone who isn't an ass.[/quote]

There are only 538 electoral votes to go around, where did you find the other 3? :lol:

In your scenario McCain still loses 270 to 268.
 
[quote name='onikage']There are only 538 electoral votes to go around, where did you find the other 3? :lol:[/quote]

They both win! McCain just wins a little more!
 
[quote name='onikage']There are only 538 electoral votes to go around, where did you find the other 3? :lol:

In your scenario McCain still loses, 270 to 268.[/QUOTE]

I knew there had to be something fishy. But it's late and I'm tired.
 
[quote name='onikage']There are only 538 electoral votes to go around, where did you find the other 3? :lol:

In your scenario McCain still loses 270 to 268.[/quote]

I too thought something was funny, but the whole system is fucked up so who ever knows. Glad to see it was only the map that was wrong.
 
[quote name='freakyzeeky']What happens if both Obama and McCain get 269 Electoral votes each? :O[/quote]


Than the House of Reps. decides I believe
 
[quote name='homeland']Than the House of Reps. decides I believe[/QUOTE]

Actually, the House decides the president and the Senate the vice president. The Senate is 50-50 (if you count Sanders as voting with the Democrats and Lieberman with the Republicans in this case), but a Senate tie vote is broken by the vice president...Cheney! Can you say President Obama and Vice President Palin? How absolutely off-the-wall would that be?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Actually, the House decides the president and the Senate the vice president. The Senate is 50-50 (if you count Sanders as voting with the Democrats and Lieberman with the Republicans in this case), but a Senate tie vote is broken by the vice president...Cheney! Can you say President Obama and Vice President Palin? How absolutely off-the-wall would that be?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure Obama would have her killed off, and McCain would be the VP, not Palin anyways.

But NBC might like that for a new sitcom.
 
So when McCain cheats his way to win tomorrow, and eventually dies in a few months..leaving the country to fall apart because of that lady...who becomes vice president in that situation? :whistle2:k
 
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