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[quote name='crunchb3rry']Abortion and John McCain's age is what's going to decide this election. I think women will ultimately vote for a brother than be forced to give birth to one.[/quote]

Wow. Someone needs to turn this quote into a pamphlet, now.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='HotShotX']Wow. Someone needs to turn this quote into a pamphlet, now.

~HotShotX[/QUOTE]

Why? To put out a "common misperception" pamphlet? More women are against abortion then men. But regardless of that, if you look at recent polling on the issue, it doesn't look like it will be a big factor in the election due to similar amounts of people placing it as an issue that will have a major effect on their votes.
 
[quote name='Tybee']I did a year with AmeriCorps and a lot of work with Hands On Atlanta. You track this kind of work by maintaining a timesheet that has to be signed by a supervisor, project coordinator, etc. for whatever time you're logging.

I think mandatory community service for students or service in exchange for scholarships is one of the best damn ideas I've ever heard. Americans have this mindset that "serving your country" always means joining the military, but there are a Hell of lot more ways to serve, IMO: working with the homeless, doing environmental remediation, working in national parks, helping in disadvantaged schools -- on and on. And I think more of our young people should be compelled to give back to their communities (and not just to get points taken off their license).

I gave a year of my life to my country through AmeriCorps, managing a team of six people tutoring inner city kids in reading, providing teacher assistance, and running after school programs. I'm extremely proud of that work, and wish more people could have that experience.[/QUOTE]

Makes sense, but it also sounds like a lot of money to hire all the supervisors and project managers they need t cover all the students.

At the same time, I think it's a good initiative, and I would have liked to have that opportunity (since I did about that much a year for free), I'm just concerned with the cost of implementing it
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']:rofl:

Yes because the person who wins the first debate will win the whitehouse! If that was the case Obama would be up by 25 points in election polls.[/QUOTE]

There being a chance that Obama will not win in November is not the same thing as the debate being a draw.

Looking at you Kaijufan.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Makes sense, but it also sounds like a lot of money to hire all the supervisors and project managers they need t cover all the students.

At the same time, I think it's a good initiative, and I would have liked to have that opportunity (since I did about that much a year for free), I'm just concerned with the cost of implementing it[/quote]

No, I didn't mean managers and supervisors hired specifically for this program. These are the people running these projects already. I'm just saying when you work at one of these projects there's usually a person in charge who is authorized to initial your timesheet. That's how you track it. Then, after you do your 100 hours or whatever, the gov't could do a spot check (call one or two of the supervisors to verify). Pretty simple, actually.

[quote name='KingBroly']If Obama is up by 3-4 points going into election day in polls, he's in trouble.[/quote]

Well, there are reasons to agree with this and reasons not to. Obviously the big argument is that polling is underrepresenting racism and that will cost Obama something like 3 or 4 points. But I saw another interesting theory this morning that polling is significantly underrepresenting young voters and minorities by failing to correct for the fact that many of them do not use landlines. So it could be a push.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Why? To put out a "common misperception" pamphlet? More women are against abortion then men. But regardless of that, if you look at recent polling on the issue, it doesn't look like it will be a big factor in the election due to similar amounts of people placing it as an issue that will have a major effect on their votes.[/quote]

Because it would be funny. Racist, but funny.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='KingBroly']If Obama is up by 3-4 points going into election day in polls, he's in trouble.[/quote]

Agreed.

If Palin continues the standards set in her interviews, that'll help Obama.

If the House Republicans continue slowing down the bailout, that'll help Obama.

If Israel bombs Iran, maybe Obama can win in 2012.
 
[quote name='Tybee']
Well, there are reasons to agree with this and reasons not to. Obviously the big argument is that polling is underrepresenting racism and that will cost Obama something like 3 or 4 points. But I saw another interesting theory this morning that polling is significantly underrepresenting young voters and minorities by failing to correct for the fact that many of them do not use landlines. So it could be a push.[/quote]


Gallup has called my cell phone three times this week. I didn't answer because I was working.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']Gallup has called my cell phone three times this week. I didn't answer because I was working.[/QUOTE]

That's odd.

Wonder how they got it. I've been involved with some phone research over the past year, and the databases of phone numbers we used did not include cell phone numbers.

Probably got it from some source where you listed a cell phone as your contact that didn't have a privacy agreement I guess.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']If Obama is up by 3-4 points going into election day in polls, he's in trouble.[/QUOTE]

If McCain isn't at least tied with Obama in the key battleground states, then McCain's in big trouble.

Why?

Because he has absolutely ZERO ground game. I'm a volunteer here in Virginia and we have a whopping 86 offices throughout the state. By my last count, McCain has 3. I actually went to his website to check out the offices in Virginia, but got an Error page! I guess they don't want volunteers.

The week before last, Fairfax County alone (the "rich" suburb of DC) knocked on 30,000 doors for voter registration and persuasion. Last weekend, it was 50,000 doors.

Now, replicate this kind of effort across the 13 other battle ground states and you can image that the McCain had better hope for a significant game changer or this thing will be a blow out.

Seriously -- if every volunteer was paid minimum wage, the collective value of all the work they've put in would rival that of some mid-sized multinational corporation (if you count from the beginning of Primary season to now).
 
Wow at some of you Obama apologist. Obama is a sleazy snake oil salesmen who shamelessly used the death of a fallen soldier for his own political gain despite the wishes of the soldier's family. Unlike McCain, who has a military family and was a soldier himself, actually had an emotional connection to the fallen soldier on his bracelet. Obama cannot even remember the soldier's name on his bracelet that he's trying to exploit.

"I've got a bracelet too"
*looks down at bracelet*
*looks up*
*looks down at bracelet again*
"from Sergeant.. uhh... from mother of..uhh.. Sergeant Ryan David Jopek"
*finally look back up*.

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Family Told Obama NOT To Wear Soldier Son's Bracelet
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner...ma-not-wear-soldier-sons-bracelet-where-media
Barack Obama played the "me too" game during the Friday debates on September 26 after Senator John McCain mentioned that he was wearing a bracelet with the name of Cpl. Matthew Stanley, a resident of New Hampshire and a soldier that lost his life in Iraq in 2006. Obama said that he too had a bracelet. After fumbling and straining to remember the name, he revealed that his had the name of Sergeant Ryan David Jopek of Merrill, Wisconsin.

Shockingly, however, Madison resident Brian Jopek, the father of Ryan Jopek, the young soldier who tragically lost his life to a roadside bomb in 2006, recently said on a Wisconsin Public Radio show that his family had asked Barack Obama to stop wearing the bracelet with his son's name on it. Yet Obama continues to do so despite the wishes of the family.

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Radio host Glenn Moberg of the show "Route 51" asked Mr. Jopek, a man who believes in the efforts in Iraq and is not in favor of Obama's positions on the war, what he and his ex-wife think of Obama continually using their son's name on the campaign trail.

Jopek began by saying that his ex-wife was taken aback, even upset, that Obama has made the death of her son a campaign issue. Jopek says his wife gave Obama the bracelet because "she just wanted Mr. Obama to know Ryan's name." Jopek went on to say that "she wasn't looking to turn it into a big media event" and "just wanted it to be something between Barack Obama and herself." Apparently, they were all shocked it became such a big deal.

But, he also said that his ex-wife has refused further interviews on the matter and that she wanted Obama to stop wearing the reminder of her son's sacrifice that he keeps turning into a campaign soundbyte. This begins at about 10 minutes into the radio program

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCO5S20L-pM[/video]
 
Nice one rumblebear. McCain brings up a dead soldier to try to sway people emotionally and Obama is the one who's exploiting dead soldiers when he responds to it. Incredible.

Sorry that he had to look at the bracelet and didn't have his exploitation rehearsed well enough for you like McCain did.
 
[quote name='SpazX']Nice one rumblebear. McCain brings up a dead soldier to try to sway people emotionally and Obama is the one who's exploiting dead soldiers when he responds to it. Incredible.

Sorry that he had to look at the bracelet and didn't have his exploitation rehearsed well enough for you like McCain did.[/quote]

QFT
 
[quote name='yukine']I wish I was a Republican.

Then I'd be able to mourn and remember our troops and those who lost their lives on 9/11.[/quote]

Why can't you be a Republican? Can't you find lead based paint?
 
[quote name='rumblebear']Wow at some of you Obama apologists...[/QUOTE]

Ignore the lying idiots.

http://townhall.com/news/politics-e...oldiers_mother_ecstatic_about_obamas_bracelet

The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" when Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama mentioned during Friday's debate the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son.

Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that Obama remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb.
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Sorry about the repost, does anyone think rumble will apologize or retract?
 
"Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn't want it to get turned into something that it wasn't. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don't think he's..."

"Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that's his own choice. I mean that's something Barack Obama, that's a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to... Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he's still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him."


To pile insult onto injury here, the Mother doesn't even want to force the issue of telling Obama to stop exploiting her son because she wants to see him win the election. Obama is not only taking advantage of this brave soldier's death, he is taking advantage of the good wishes of the man's Mother who doesn't want to hurt the campaign.

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You Obama apologists are really stretching it aren't you. It's too bad we have actual voice recordings of Sgt. Jopek's father stating otherwise.
 
[quote name='rumblebear']You Obama apologists are really stretching it aren't you. It's too bad we have actual voice recordings of Sgt. Jopek's father stating otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Once again..

[quote name='AP']Jopek acknowledged e-mailing the Obama campaign in February asking that the presidential candidate not mention her son in speeches or debates. But she said Obama's mention on Friday was appropriate because he was responding after Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, said a soldier's mother gave him a bracelet. [/quote]

So perhaps the mother and father disagree on the applicability of Senator Obama's usage of their son's bracelet. And it's really no one's place to assume they know what their fallen son's wishes would be. Yet should Senator Obama be held culpable for using an American Hero as a political tool, then Senator McCain should be held to the same standard -- regardless of whether or not their parents approve.

If you're going to be upset at someone, follow your logic to its natural conclusion and be disgusted with both of them about this. I support Senator Obama strongly, and disappointed across the board.
 
[quote name='Ecofreak']Yet should Senator Obama be held culpable for using an American Hero as a political tool, then Senator McCain should be held to the same standard -- regardless of whether or not their parents approve.

If you're going to be upset at someone, follow your logic to its natural conclusion and be disgusted with both of them about this. I support Senator Obama strongly, and disappointed across the board.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I groaned when McCain did that, and groaned even louder when Obama responded with the same.
 
It sucks that it was brought up at all and I too groaned when McCain started the whole thing. Obama's counterpoint was good, though maybe he shouldn't have actually said "I've got a bracelet too."
 
[quote name='rumblebear']"Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn't want it to get turned into something that it wasn't. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don't think he's..."

"Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that's his own choice. I mean that's something Barack Obama, that's a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to... Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he's still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him."


To pile insult onto injury here, the Mother doesn't even want to force the issue of telling Obama to stop exploiting her son because she wants to see him win the election. Obama is not only taking advantage of this brave soldier's death, he is taking advantage of the good wishes of the man's Mother who doesn't want to hurt the campaign.

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You Obama apologists are really stretching it aren't you. It's too bad we have actual voice recordings of Sgt. Jopek's father stating otherwise.[/QUOTE]

His father and mother are divorced, he really has nothing to do with the bracelet issue at all.

You are a dishonest little slimeball.
 
hehe you know whats funny, every last poll has Obama as winning the debate......except Fox News! What a surprise that every poll everyone does has Obama leading 15-25% but by some miracle Fox managed to take the single freaking poll that shows that all the other polls just suffer from a 15-25% margin of error!

My guess, they conducted their poll at a retirement home.
 
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I'd say it was pretty close, but I'd have to give the nod to Obama by a hair. He had more substantive answers, whereas McCain relied on talking points a bit too much -- the ol' "easy solutions to complicated problems" bit. There's no question that our next president, no matter who he is, will be orders of magnitude smarter than our current commander in chief. Our next VP is a whole 'nother matter ...
 
I honestly don't think there was a clear winner.

However, I do think both McCain and Obama made a good showing and debated well.
 
Well just finished watching and I disagree with people here. I think Obama won by more then a slight margin. I mean McCain stumbled over a world leader name or 2 and had no clue that Kissinger had said......then freaking argued over it which made him simply look stupid. He also kept spouting campaign lines over and over again such as the "ill make them famous" and "I saw three letters KGB" lines. Obama in contrast actually knew some things I was surprised to hear he knew and didnt stumble at all. He also unlike McCain addressed the proper people vs staring into space AND he was countering McCains points where as again McCain tended to pull out lines we have heard before or repeat the vicious lies. O and forgot too Obama actually conceded points to McCain. I know that can be a no no, but in an intelligent debate its nice to see sometimes.
 
[quote name='Msut77']His father and mother are divorced, he really has nothing to do with the bracelet issue at all.

You are a dishonest little slimeball.[/QUOTE]

Yeah nevermind it was his wife who told him how she felt about Obama's use of her son's bracelet. Obviously the father must be lying somehow right? Are you going to resort back to that pathetic Obama damage control article that basically coerced the poor mother who happens to be his supporter to participate in the spin? (which is already nullified by what Jopek's father said earlier) Sorry, the original Jopek article holds far more weight than your sleazy damage control. I swear many of you Obama supporters are really delusional like the members of Scientology cult for refusing to see the obvious, and had to resort to this form of denial and spin. Well I guess they didn't call you guys the Cult of Obama for nothing.





"Jopek: She has turned down any subsequent interviews with the media because she just didn't want it to get turned into something that it wasn't. She had told me in an email that she had asked, actually asked Mr. Obama to not wear the bracelet any more at any of his public appearances. Which I don't think he's..."

"Jopek: Right. But, the other night I was watching the news and he was on, uh, speaking somewhere and he was still wearing it on his right wrist. I could see it on his right wrist. So, that's his own choice. I mean that's something Barack Obama, that's a choice that he continues to wear it despite Tracy asking him not to... Because she is a Barack Obama supporter and she didn't want to do anything to sabotage his campaign, so, if he's still wearing the bracelet then, uh, that of course is entirely up to him."

To pile insult onto injury here, the Mother doesn't even want to force the issue of telling Obama to stop exploiting her son because she wants to see him win the election. Obama is not only taking advantage of this brave soldier's death, he is taking advantage of the good wishes of the man's Mother who doesn't want to hurt the campaign.
 
She didn't want it to turn into a big deal, which it has no thanks to her ex-husband.
Clearly, he doesn't care to go against her wishes either.

Why can't you accept that it was equally unneeded on both sides? It was obviously a bullet point on McCain's debate and Obama replied accordingly, she already said it was appropriate and that she doesn't mind Obama wearing the bracelet.

So you can either go based on HER own words, or by her ex-husband's words. Oh, but you can't rely on her words because obviously the liberal media is brainwashing her AMIRITE?
 
[quote name='rumblebear']Yeah nevermind it was his wife who told him how she felt about Obama's use of her son's bracelet. Obviously the father must be lying somehow right?[/QUOTE]

Instead of saying "nevermind" how about we focus on the fact that it was (notice the past tense) his wife and he is talking out of his ass.

P.s. Someone as dishonest as you does not get to accuse others of being cult members.
 
Christ, there are more important things going on in our country right now than this bologna controversy.

It is "lipstick on a pig" again.

Republicans are getting desperate when this is the best they can do against "gettin' dirt on that half-rican."
 
I thought it was push and as others have pointed out, probably wasn't good for McCain since he seemed to have the topic-home-field-advantage.

The part about McCain saying vets know he'll take care of them made me want to fucking vomit. That's why you came out against the new GI Bill before flipping when it became obvious it was going to pass, right John?

That one comment, an outright fucking lie and using his military experience as cover to boot, makes him absolutely unelectable in my mind. Where are you, pro-veteran Republicans? Oh that's right, you only use us when you need us for political expediency.
 
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