Why Detroit's Teacher's Unions Spurned a $200 Million Donation

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Why Detroit teachers' unions spurned a $200 million donation.
by Henry Payne

10/03/2005, Volume 011, Issue 03

Detroit

ROBERT THOMPSON wanted to give away $200 million to help children escape some of America's worst public schools. But for three years the successful businessman turned education philanthropist suffered the wrath of Michigan's Democratic establishment for his politically incorrect charter-school proposal. Then finally in August, Thompson found an ally willing to accept his charity. The nonprofit Skillman Foundation will join him in creating the first of 15 planned charter high schools in Detroit. The schools' goal is a "90/90 system"--that is, a graduation rate of 90 percent (up from the city's current 50 percent) and a college admission rate of 90 percent.

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, New Orleans has become a metaphor for what Newsweek calls the "enduring shame" of American poverty. Embraced by Democratic politicians and their allies in the media, this "other America" exists, we're told, because of Republican tax cuts, corporate greed, and a political system that rewards the wealthy at the expense of the poor.

But in Detroit--a sister city to New Orleans in its black cultural heritage as well as in high poverty and crime--the experience of Robert Thompson reflects a very different reality. Here, rich "conservative" businessmen are acutely aware of America's underprivileged and have been rushing expensive, progressive solutions to the sinking inner city. Blocking the doorway, however, are the very "liberal" institutions that claim to be advocates of the poor.

For thirty years, Detroit has been hemorrhaging population as a result of high crime, high taxes, soaring insurance rates--and a crumbling system of public education, which has left Detroit's adult population with a staggering rate of functional illiteracy (47 percent, according to the federal government's National Center for Education Statistics). This leaves a shallow employment pool for any enterprise looking to locate in the city.

Seeking educational alternatives, state Republicans--against fierce opposition from teacher unions and Democrats--succeeded in passing legislation in the 1990s authorizing charter schools. These public schools are governed independently of local school boards; each is sponsored by a city or a university, and most are nonunion and have a distinctive educational approach. Since then, 39 charter schools have opened in Detroit, yet the number of Detroit families on charter waiting lists is estimated in the thousands. Moreover, most charter schools serve grades K through 6 (elementary schools are the cheapest to build), which leaves a crying demand for high schools.

In 2002, Republican governor John Engler answered parents' pleas for aid with a push to bring 15 more charters to Detroit. Enter Robert Thompson.

A Michigan farm boy who later taught school in Detroit, Thompson went on to found the state's biggest asphalt paving company, working out of the Detroit suburb of Plymouth. When he sold his company in 1999 for $461 million, he and his wife, Ellen, created the Thompson Foundation, dedicated to helping Detroit's poor. They first funded University Preparatory Academy, a successful K-12 charter school with a 90/90 system that is the model for the high schools Thompson now wants to build.

Thompson credits his own success to the education he received, and he is determined to give Detroit's poor the same opportunities. "The only way to get those kids out of there is through education," says the soft-spoken Thompson.

IN DETROIT, officials reacted to Thompson's proffered $200 million not with gratitude but with rage. The Michigan Federation of Teachers urged a walkout, declaring a school holiday so that union members could march on the state capitol in protest of charter schools. State Democrats cowered before the union, while Detroit's politicians bristled at a white suburbanite's "meddling" in the city's affairs. Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick--whose own children attended a charter school--responded to Thompson's offer by saying, with a dismissive wave of the hand, "Let us make the rules, and if he can't abide by the rules . . . "

Says Thompson, "We thought if we tried to do good things, people would appreciate it. I guess we were naive." Shunned and saddened, Thompson withdrew his offer in October 2003.

Yet he persevered. "I thought, How can you change the world a little bit?" he says. "You can't let those kids down. You've got to figure out how to do this."

The breakthrough came in March 2005, when he received a call from another rich businessman with a passion for Detroit's poor: ex-Pistons basketball star Dave Bing.

Bing, an African American, later told the Detroit Free Press, "When I heard how Bob was treated, it just didn't make sense to me. I knew there was a need. From a selfish standpoint, as a businessperson, I need educated people on my work force. I'm not anti-public schools. But I don't think they will fix public schools quick enough to stop the drain. And if parents and children don't have other options, it's a lose-lose proposition for both the public schools and the city of Detroit."

Bing's color was a powerful political asset for Thompson, and together they approached the Skillman Foundation, a black-run nonprofit that has long worked with Detroit's public schools. Even so, Bing and Skillman came under immediate fire from Detroit liberals.

A group named the Call 'Em Out Coalition gave Bing a "Sambo Sell-Out Award" at its annual dinner for partnering with a white businessman. The award was bestowed by Democratic City Council member Sharon McPhail. And the Detroit Federation of Teachers expressed its displeasure with Skillman by threatening to end its cooperation with the foundation on other city school projects.

Nevertheless, under the Michigan charter-school law, the Skillman Foundation can now proceed to implement Thompson's plan. Detroit's poor should soon see the benefits of his gift--despite the blindness of the city's leadership.

If New Orleans is a lesson in the consequences of decades of governance that left too many destitute in the inner city, then Detroit is a lesson in how hard it is to bring reform to such cites. If Democrats continue to favor the interests of unions over those of children, the cycle of poverty will capture another generation in the inner city.

On the other hand, if they wise up, real opportunities for change exist. Across America, Thompson has counterparts, wealthy businesspeople bankrolling urban reform. The likes of Amway's Dick DeVos (another Michigan multimillionaire), Wal-Mart heir John Walton, businessman Ted Forstmann, GAP founder Don Fisher, and Netflix.com CEO and founder Reed Hastings have given hundreds of millions of dollars to the poor for scholarships and charter schools. After Katrina, cities should find a way to just say yes.


Henry Payne is an occasional contributor to The Weekly Standard.
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Yet another example of how the children never come before politics.
 
# 1 ROBERT THOMPSON wanted to give away $200 million to help children escape some of America's worst public schools.

Last = So what, its not like that 200 million dollars is gonna bring GOD in the schools, so really whats the point?

Like i said before, the school system is a joke.
 
You bring some kids out of the schools, the ones left behind will likely be in an even worse situation. It's a bandaid, that I fear would leave the overal public school system in worst shape down the road.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You bring some kids out of the schools, the ones left behind will likely be in an even worse situation. It's a bandaid, that I fear would leave the overal public school system in worst shape down the road.[/QUOTE]

Oh I don't know about that - someone's willing to give your schools $200 million - and that's only a bandaid?

I'd rather have some kids educated then none at all. This is really about the ineffectiveness of public institutions in Detroit - how hard is it to accept a $200 million donation to improve your schools?

The teacher's unions are out of control - it's why America's businesses are stepping in to try and get the kids some education.
 
[quote name='camoor']Oh I don't know about that - someone's willing to give your schools $200 million - and that's only a bandaid?

I'd rather have some kids educated then none at all. This is really about the ineffectiveness of public institutions in Detroit - how hard is it to accept a $200 million donation to improve your schools?

The teacher's unions are out of control - it's why America's businesses are stepping in to try and get the kids some education.[/QUOTE]

I reread it and I made a mistake the first time. I was thinking it was private, non public schools, that were being built for students to attend.

I strongly believe school improvements should focus on improving the traditional public school system, not charter schools, but I'm not exactly opposed to it as l would I be to sending it to a tuition based school. I need more information before forming a real opinion on this, but I retract my original statement for now.
 
Here's the problem with the politicians and teacher's union stances against this idea.

Straight from the NEA's web page on charter schools....

A charter should be granted only if the proposed school intends to offer an educational experience that is qualitatively different from what is available in traditional public schools.

Wow, that right there is entirely open to interpretation. For any charter school that wishes to excel in academics with no athletic programs whatsover may be compared to a magnet school.

Local school boards should have the authority to grant or deny charter applications; the process should be open to the public, and applicants should have the right to appeal to a state agency decisions to deny or revoke a charter.

Clearly aimed at eliminating any kind of competition. If a school board and it's members are beholden to party and therefore, union, interests they'll never acknowledge the need in the first place.

Charter school funding should not disproportionately divert resources from traditional public schools.

In this case it wouldn't have taken any money from public schools.

Charter schools should be monitored on a continuing basis and should be subject to modification or closure if children or the public interest is at risk.

Anyone notice this bit of hypocracy when they won't apply the same standards to public schools?

Private schools should not be allowed to convert to public charter schools, and private for-profit entities should not be eligible to receive a charter.

In other words they don't want to deal with anyone that has a track record of success.

Charter schools should be subject to the same public sector labor relations statutes as traditional public schools, and charter school employees should have the same collective bargaining rights as their counterparts in traditional public schools.

Last but not least this is the reason we all know to be the reason why the NEA and all teacher's unions will oppose any reform at education in this country. If they were at all honest with themselves this would be the first and only reason they'd list. The others are pure window dressing. You know it, I know it, they know it.

Link: NEA Charter School Position
 
I think everyone is missing the point here, the school system is already damaged, because we have this thing call: The separation between church and state.

But i guess yall can continue to ignore me, thats cool. We all have our own opinions, some are facts and some are stronger facts, you pick.
 
[quote name='U2K Tha Greate$t']I think everyone is missing the point here, the school system is already damaged, because we have this thing call: The separation between church and state.

But i guess yall can continue to ignore me, thats cool. We all have our own opinions, some are facts and some are stronger facts, you pick.[/QUOTE]

And some are just faerie tales.

Detroit schools are so terrible because of the rampant corruption. They probably would have figured out a way to take all the money and use it to buy SUVs or something.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Yet another example of how the children never come before politics.[/QUOTE]
:applause: for including an actual post of somesort with your copy/pasted articles. Even though your post is sub-standard.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']As opposed to your sterling commentary, contribution and rebuttal?[/QUOTE]
If you haven't noticed, 75% of my posts in this forum, and on this site, have actual CONTENT.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Charter schools should be subject to the same public sector labor relations statutes as traditional public schools, and charter school employees should have the same collective bargaining rights as their counterparts in traditional public schools.

Last but not least this is the reason we all know to be the reason why the NEA and all teacher's unions will oppose any reform at education in this country. If they were at all honest with themselves this would be the first and only reason they'd list. The others are pure window dressing. You know it, I know it, they know it.[/QUOTE]

And that's exactly right. Competition in schools = less job security for teachers = unions don't like it. But it's the right thing to do to improve the sorry educational system in most parts of this country.
 
Have any of you ever been to Detroit? They need to pump money back into the city. Things are getting better, but they're far from the ideal Detroit that the Detroit politicians, and those living in the surrounding area have envisioned.

Honestly though, at this point half the city is looking much better, you have Comerica Park and Ford Field downtown, as well as a lot of new townhouses, and of course the casinos. The problem is on the other side of the street from the townhouses there's burned out, and boarded up buildings. This problem has much deeper roots though, and many of those problems lie within the youth of inner-city Detroit.

Thus, I can't fathom turning down all of that money, that would help the education program and undoubtedly help the city in the long run.
 
Why don't you go on The Weekly Standard forums and find your soulmate .
This is a gaming related site .
I'm sick of your overly biased and obvious opnions .
Go talk politics with people who give a shit .
 
[quote name='Richlough']Why don't you go on The Weekly Standard forums and find your soulmate .
This is a gaming related site .
I'm sick of your overly biased and obvious opnions .
Go talk politics with people who give a shit .[/QUOTE]

Hmm. This is the vs. forums; it doesn't even get posted on the main page, homeslice. You must find your way in here, and it doesn't happen by accident (much).

So, if you don't want to talk politics, as evidenced by your "go talk politics with people who give a shit" remark, I recommend that *you* go take a hike.

PAD is pretty useless, but at least he deserves some credit for trying. You're just trollin' here, Tex.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']And that's exactly right. Competition in schools = less job security for teachers = unions don't like it. But it's the right thing to do to improve the sorry educational system in most parts of this country.[/QUOTE]

that's exactly wrong. Not everything is a quantifiable commodity. How many times have we heard, that is doesn't matter a whole hell of a lot where you got your degree (save for a few extremes) but it matters if you got one.

Then the issue because how you measure a school's success. Well slappy, I got news for you but it won't be purely "education". What you will get is speciality schools. Some school will push sports, some schools will push music, some schools will push getting into ivy league schools and NONE of that will make schools overall better. Hell I've already seen that here in CO with our charter schools.

Plus the "good" schools will still charge above and beyond what poor and middle class can pay. Yay! let's introduce a pure class system in our schools fuck da poor (I know there is one now but public education can temper it)
 
[quote name='elprincipe']And that's exactly right. Competition in schools = less job security for teachers = unions don't like it. But it's the right thing to do to improve the sorry educational system in most parts of this country.[/QUOTE]

Be careful with that. Teachers are in very short supply, and already get the shaft. Weakening their job security will only make the system worse. No matter what else you do, if you can't keep teachers, especially good ones, then it's not going to work.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Hmm. This is the vs. forums; it doesn't even get posted on the main page, homeslice. You must find your way in here, and it doesn't happen by accident (much).

So, if you don't want to talk politics, as evidenced by your "go talk politics with people who give a shit" remark, I recommend that *you* go take a hike.

PAD is pretty useless, but at least he deserves some credit for trying. You're just trollin' here, Tex.[/QUOTE]

This useless crap comes up when I sort "new posts", so I think your wrong . I don't use the Main page , I use a link to my log in .

Wow , you disagree with a decision , that people you disagree with to begin with , made . How suprising , you guys really have a life .

You guys are a bunch of half-assed mudslingers .

Why don't you go on the Fox news or CNN forums . You guys put this crap on here just to rile people up .
 
[quote name='Richlough']Why don't you go on the Fox news or CNN forums . You guys put this crap on here just to rile people up .[/QUOTE]

god forbid people become riled up.

Oh noes!!!1!
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Be careful with that. Teachers are in very short supply, and already get the shaft. Weakening their job security will only make the system worse. No matter what else you do, if you can't keep teachers, especially good ones, then it's not going to work.[/QUOTE]

Ah, but the good teachers will be much better off. A private school will have better facilities, better pay, better job security for those that are indeed good teachers. It will weaken job security for crappy teachers, but so what? That's what gets results, firing those who are incompetent or lazy. And if there is better pay and a nicer job on offer, more people will choose to become teachers.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Ah, but the good teachers will be much better off. A private school will have better facilities, better pay, better job security for those that are indeed good teachers. It will weaken job security for crappy teachers, but so what? That's what gets results, firing those who are incompetent or lazy. And if there is better pay and a nicer job on offer, more people will choose to become teachers.[/QUOTE]

Private school teachers get paid less and have less job security than public school teachers, at least around here. Switching to charter schools, or switching to all private schools isn't going to do much for teachers pay. Also, if you are referring to tuition based private schools you are going to make it worse for the poor.

But we have a teacher shortage in this country, sadly we can't afford to get rid of many of the sub par teachers. We need to make more people want to be teachers, if job security is weakened then that will only make it worse.If we drive out teachers who aren't very good, but still competent, then the situation will get worse because we'll have to cram even more students per class with already overwhelmed teachers.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Private school teachers get paid less and have less job security than public school teachers, at least around here. Switching to charter schools, or switching to all private schools isn't going to do much for teachers pay. Also, if you are referring to tuition based private schools you are going to make it worse for the poor.

But we have a teacher shortage in this country, sadly we can't afford to get rid of many of the sub par teachers. We need to make more people want to be teachers, if job security is weakened then that will only make it worse.If we drive out teachers who aren't very good, but still competent, then the situation will get worse because we'll have to cram even more students per class with already overwhelmed teachers.[/QUOTE]

I think I have a different vision overall than you have. You would like to work within our current failed system and try to fix it, while I would recommend tearing it down and building it up again anew.

I feel education should be a state and local government issue. I would also like to see schools 100% privatized. The (state and local) government would pay to educate all children, but it would be in the form of a stipend for each child to use as the parents choose toward whatever school they wanted. This would not only result in superior efficiency and less administrative overhead due to inherent competitive pressures in the private sector, but help to solve one of the final lasting inequalities in our society by evening out more thoroughly access to education among the poor, middle class and rich. Well, maybe not so much rich because they will just send their kids to exclusive high-priced private schools anyway, but it'll bring the poor and middle class closer to what the rich already enjoy in terms of access to quality education.

Anyway, you can see the public school system and teacher's unions don't exactly fit into what I think would be the best course of action. But then again, they represent the status quo of failure...
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I think I have a different vision overall than you have. You would like to work within our current failed system and try to fix it, while I would recommend tearing it down and building it up again anew.

I feel education should be a state and local government issue. I would also like to see schools 100% privatized. The (state and local) government would pay to educate all children, but it would be in the form of a stipend for each child to use as the parents choose toward whatever school they wanted. This would not only result in superior efficiency and less administrative overhead due to inherent competitive pressures in the private sector, but help to solve one of the final lasting inequalities in our society by evening out more thoroughly access to education among the poor, middle class and rich. Well, maybe not so much rich because they will just send their kids to exclusive high-priced private schools anyway, but it'll bring the poor and middle class closer to what the rich already enjoy in terms of access to quality education.

Anyway, you can see the public school system and teacher's unions don't exactly fit into what I think would be the best course of action. But then again, they represent the status quo of failure...[/QUOTE]

If parents got to choose whatever school they wanted, even if the state paid, the poor would get screwed. If you live in a city, the poor who don't have a car, don't have a public means of transportation to get there (ie. the school is in a nearby suburb), or simply don't have the time to personally get their kids to a particular school (ie. they have to be in work an hour before school starts) would end up sending their kids to one of the nearest schools and the schools would be forced to take them. There would be a serious risk of resegregating school. At best you'd end up with the middle class having the means, knowledge and education, to pick and choose the best school system from a wider area, while the poorer ones would end up crammed into the most local schools. While that happens to some extent now, it is kept somewhat in check by the fact that those outside schools are mostly tuition based. The private system is also run so well because it can selectively choose who it will take.

I think you underestimate the difficulty of getting teachers, and the importance they have in the schools. Your system may work in bits and pieces, but if it were to replace the current one you'd still see the same issues, because they would essentially become the system. The overcrowding, teacher shortages, lack of funding etc. would all be there, plus you'd see an exodus of middle class students much greater than what is currently taking place.
 
Hey wait a minute here, I just read the whole article, more carefully imght I add, and this is Robert Thompson of Plymouth, I'm from Plymouth!

:whistle2:k wonder if he still has any of that $200 million to give to me
 
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