Why do black men love white women?

[quote name='atreyue'][quote name='AdamInPlaidum'][quote name='bignick']hmm dead link?

anyway, try this one.

http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com/[/quote]

I know the guys that made that. They used to have a cable-access comedy show on after SNL here in Tulsa.[/quote]

well, they are funny bastard(ette)s[/quote]

Yeah, I miss that damn show. It was called Beef Baloney. It was so low-rent, but the ideas were hilarious.

"I like Johnny and Sally because they NEVER flaunt their wealth in front of me. In fact, they go to great lengths to keep their valuables as well as their wallets and purses as far away from me as possible. How cool is THAT???"

Anyone who doesn't see the obvious sarcasm shouldn't have children.
 
the part of the site that posts responses is actually the funniest. You'd have to be an idiot to miss the boat on the sarcasm, but apparently there are a lot of stupid people out there.
 
I don't think your wife is good looking at all... As a matter of fact, the word "ugly" is what I would use. I don't think I'm a racist.. but her nose is all flat and it looks crooked. She looks like the front of her face is protruding triangle-style... not my cup of tea.
 
[quote name='PhrostByte']I don't think your wife is good looking at all... As a matter of fact, the word "ugly" is what I would use. I don't think I'm a racist.. but her nose is all flat and it looks crooked. She looks like the front of her face is protruding triangle-style... not my cup of tea.[/quote]

She has been wanting a nose job for years. Luckily it doesn't bother me at all..I think it's cute and unique. I think she is gonna get a nose job and a boob job in the next couple years. I told her when she hits 40 she can do it and I won't mind. My wife is serious MILF. I am afraid of her getting a nose and boob job because then guys would be on her all the time. Seriously they come onto my wife all the time...sometime right in front of me...then they realize she is my woman and get all embarrased.

I am sure many of you don't think my wife is hot. Maybe I can find some better pics.
 
[quote name='defender'][quote name='PhrostByte']I don't think your wife is good looking at all... As a matter of fact, the word "ugly" is what I would use. I don't think I'm a racist.. but her nose is all flat and it looks crooked. She looks like the front of her face is protruding triangle-style... not my cup of tea.[/quote]

She has been wanting a nose job for years. Luckily it doesn't bother me at all..I think it's cute and unique. I think she is gonna get a nose job and a boob job in the next couple years. I told her when she hits 40 she can do it and I won't mind. My wife is serious MILF. I am afraid of her getting a nose and boob job because then guys would be on her all the time. Seriously they come onto my wife all the time...sometime right in front of me...then they realize she is my woman and get all embarrased.

I am sure many of you don't think my wife is hot. Maybe I can find some better pics.[/quote]

Ya, I didn't really like her facel, but it looks like it has to do with the way the photo was taken. I just don't really think it's right to make uncalled for criticisms of someone elses wife, at least so they'd see it. I don't think I'd want my wife getting any plastic surgery though, then again I'm not married and it would be her decision anyway.
 
Well we been married almost 10 years...in a few more I figure some surgery would make her seem like a new wife. You can only play pretend so much.

;-)
 
[quote name='Kayden']Have you ever tried to watch a movie with a black woman in the theatre? If shes not babbling on her cell phone shes screaming at the characters in the movie... (j/k... kinda... I knew women like this)[/quote]

It's just not black women that do that, I've tried watching a movie and white women do that(but it's usually a group of them). They usually do it through the entire movie, which I just bitch to the manager about it and get free movie tickets. :) But it did make me angry when trying to watch Collateral.
 
[quote name='supermariomelee'][quote name='Kayden']Have you ever tried to watch a movie with a black woman in the theatre? If shes not babbling on her cell phone shes screaming at the characters in the movie... (j/k... kinda... I knew women like this)[/quote]

It's just not black women that do that, I've tried watching a movie and white women do that(but it's usually a group of them). They usually do it through the entire movie, which I just bitch to the manager about it and get free movie tickets. :) But it did make me angry when trying to watch Collateral.[/quote]


I find the common denominator to be rude and stupid people that do that. They can be of any race or age.

This is why I bought a 52" DLP and a $4000 home stereo system. Yeah...that's a brag too beatch. (cmon start the comment abuot selling DS's..I dare you)

 
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/details.asp?id=38

I highly recommend it. It's been excellent for the most part. I read dozens of pages at http://avsforum.com/ before I decided and the salesman pitched this one really hard too. There are cheaper TV's but honestly..I am glad I spent the extra few hundred on this one. I opted for a 52" because the 62" is actually too big for my space. If you are under 12 feet get a 52" and a 60"+ for over 12 feet.
If you are less than 10 then consider a 42" tv.
 
Call me sick, odd, or whatever... but while everybody is meticulously analyzing his wife either for good or bad, I'll dream of having a TV that nice to get shitfaced and play Atari in front of.
 
[quote name='defender']http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/televisions/details.asp?id=38

I highly recommend it. It's been excellent for the most part. I read dozens of pages at http://avsforum.com/ before I decided and the salesman pitched this one really hard too. There are cheaper TV's but honestly..I am glad I spent the extra few hundred on this one. I opted for a 52" because the 62" is actually too big for my space. If you are under 12 feet get a 52" and a 60"+ for over 12 feet.
If you are less than 10 then consider a 42" tv.[/quote]

thanks for the links Im gonna have to look into that have u tried gaming on it ?


Edit: sorry for going off topic let me get right back on ummmm I think Black men love all women if they think like me they just want a hot looking chick so they can clog thier drain .
 
I have not yet tried gaming on it.

That reminds me...I have to go buy an Component cable from Amazon now. I really don't play games too much outside of Counter Strike but I have coming to me the new Norrath game which the wife and I love to play. So that should rock on the new TV. Yeah...my wife plays video games too and she is pretty good even. She beat half-life, quake II, and some others.
 
[quote name='defender']I have not yet tried gaming on it.

That reminds me...I have to go buy an Component cable from Amazon now. I really don't play games too much outside of Counter Strike but I have coming to me the new Norrath game which the wife and I love to play. So that should rock on the new TV. Yeah...my wife plays video games too and she is pretty good even. She beat half-life, quake II, and some others.[/quote]

.... :whistle2:k
You have a 52" tv... but you don't play games on it... nor do you play games much at all... why are you here? :p
 
I have to say Defenders wife is hot especially for having all those kids.
My girlfried happens to be 4'11 as well double d's and is black, an entirely enticing package :drool: I love black women
 
[quote name='peteyrose']I love Asian women, but I am Asian. Go figure. White girls can be attractive, but I would never consider dating one.[/quote]

White women are good if they have that soft, puffy look but still shapely and not fat (think christina ricci a few years ago), or are goth, or are very short brunettes. I don't really find models of any type attractive though, I hate "perfect" looking women. I guess that works in my favor though, lower standards are what I prefer.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='peteyrose']I love Asian women, but I am Asian. Go figure. White girls can be attractive, but I would never consider dating one.[/quote]

White women are good if they have that soft, puffy look but still shapely and not fat (think christina ricci a few years ago), or are goth, or are very short brunettes. I don't really find models of any type attractive though, I hate "perfect" looking women. I guess that works in my favor though, lower standards are what I prefer.[/quote]

I don't respect Christina Ricci because she had to starve herself to look like that; she's a fucking joke (as is anyone who makes themself suffer unnecessarily for the purpose of looking good at the expense of their health).

myke.
 
I probably play more hours gaming than most of the users. I spend 10-30 hours per week on counter strike. I just prefer PC games over console.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='peteyrose']I love Asian women, but I am Asian. Go figure. White girls can be attractive, but I would never consider dating one.[/quote]

White women are good if they have that soft, puffy look but still shapely and not fat (think christina ricci a few years ago), or are goth, or are very short brunettes. I don't really find models of any type attractive though, I hate "perfect" looking women. I guess that works in my favor though, lower standards are what I prefer.[/quote]

I don't respect Christina Ricci because she had to starve herself to look like that; she's a shaq-fuing joke (as is anyone who makes themself suffer unnecessarily for the purpose of looking good at the expense of their health).

myke.[/quote]

She was anorexic for a while, that's a psychological problem though (I know she was when she did prozac nation). I still think she's hot, but she was wicked hot around the time she did "the opposite of sex", "buffalo 66" and "pecker". That's like the perfect weight for a woman imo, and she was considered fat by hollywood standards (that's what she said anyway). BTW, "the opposite of sex" is one of the greatest movies ever. I gotta watch buffalo 66 again though, I saw online that it was filmed in buffalo and I want to see if I recognize any of the locations (since I've been to buffalo a lot since I moved away from MA)
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='GuilewasNK'][quote name='defender']Why do white men love black women?

Answer: take a look at my wife..and this is after 4 kids too

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Defender, I mean this with UTMOST respect...

:drool:

You are blessed my friend!

I'll say this, I don't care what race a lady is. I have dated blue-eyed blonds, Panamanian, Eskimo, and black. To coin a phrase, it's all good. AS long as I am attracted and she likes me, I couldn't care less.[/quote]

Posted her pic on a site filled with drooling gamers, I'm sure she'd be thrilled.[/quote]

She's married to a guy whose primary business revolves around drooling gamers. She is surely used tosuch by now.

Now excuse me, I need to go empty my cup.
 
[quote name='defender']Well we been married almost 10 years...in a few more I figure some surgery would make her seem like a new wife. You can only play pretend so much.

;-)[/quote]

Think of it as an extended warranty. It's just a good policy to protect and maintain your investment.
 
I actually was listening to the author of this book getting interviewed by Wendy Williams on the radio. Wendy (who is a black woman) was getting angry at the guy for basically saying what most of you (I said most) said about black women.
 
[quote name='defender']I have not yet tried gaming on it.

That reminds me...I have to go buy an Component cable from Amazon now. I really don't play games too much outside of Counter Strike but I have coming to me the new Norrath game which the wife and I love to play. So that should rock on the new TV. Yeah...my wife plays video games too and she is pretty good even. She beat half-life, quake II, and some others.[/quote]

Pump the brakes! You have a wife that looks like that AND she plays videogames!? I am really hatin' on you right now. :notworth:

As far as dating someone who is a different ethnicity, I don't think it should make any difference. I've dated a Mexican girl, some white girls and right now I'm dating a Jamaican girl. I love getting to know someone who has different cultural experiences than me. Full disclosure, I'm white.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I thought this was going to be racist (well bignick's link), but it's making fun of racist and stereotypes instead.

Though I don't know about the op's link. I wanna know why white men love asian women, and why I think all other women are, on average, hotter than white women, and why black men are hottter. It seems to be focusing on on group when it would be much more interesting and productive in exploring interracial relationships as a whole, instead of just one section. Though, then again, when explaining why they engage in such relationships, I don't think there's much to explain other than individual preferences. Now, why people don't engage in interracial relationships would be interesting, going into the whole racism aspect.

The breeding of homosexuals in prisons.
How homosexuality is directly linked more to issues of power and control rather than sex and sexuality.
That homosexuality and racism are intrinsically linked.
The rise of homosexuality in the Black community.
Why so many homosexual Black men won't admit that they are gay?
What causes homosexual activity in many Black men?
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Ok, I officially hate this book. And the idea that homosexuality and racism are linked is new, and probably one of the more absurd assumptions.[/quote]

The breeding of homosexuals in prisons?

I think someone is terribly unclear on basic biology here.

"I just don't get it, Bob. They've been going at it like minks but so far they've all come up barren. Are the courts neutering them or something? This ranch is never going to take off if we don't get some bredding stock in here!"
 
Two things. Of all the black celebrities one could identify, how many are actually involved with women of other races or ethnicities. Are we getting a squeaky wheel effect where the minority garners more attention than their numbers actually rate?

I do know a number of black men married to white women. These men all tend to be very successful self-made sorts who've rejected most of the rhetoric of the so-called leaders of the African-American community like Jesse Jackson. They're very well educated and seek the company of similar people with little concern to where on the globe the ancestors of those people lived. They've ended up with white women not because they sought out skin color but because the pool of black women in their intellectual circles of friends and colleagues tends to be extremely limited and they place a high value on fitting into that group as opposed to race. It isn't so much a rejection of black women so much as the culture in which most of them live.
 
[quote name='epobirs']Two things. Of all the black celebrities one could identify, how many are actually involved with women of other races or ethnicities. Are we getting a squeaky wheel effect where the minority garners more attention than their numbers actually rate? [/quote]

I'm not certain what you mean here. It almost sounds like your suggesting we shouldn't pay much attention to black people because they only make up about 12% of the population.

I do know a number of black men married to white women. These men all tend to be very successful self-made sorts who've rejected most of the rhetoric of the so-called leaders of the African-American community like Jesse Jackson. They're very well educated and seek the company of similar people with little concern to where on the globe the ancestors of those people lived. They've ended up with white women not because they sought out skin color but because the pool of black women in their intellectual circles of friends and colleagues tends to be extremely limited and they place a high value on fitting into that group as opposed to race. It isn't so much a rejection of black women so much as the culture in which most of them live.
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I have serious problems with people who only look for commitments in one particular race due to them simply being of that race, and not due to them just being more attracted to that person or people of that race. But the question that should be asked, in the case you mentioned, is why there are so few members of that race in succesful positions? That is the problem. Poverty, discrete racism, sense of helplessness/hopelessness and various other things factor into that.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='epobirs']Two things. Of all the black celebrities one could identify, how many are actually involved with women of other races or ethnicities. Are we getting a squeaky wheel effect where the minority garners more attention than their numbers actually rate? [/quote]

I'm not certain what you mean here. It almost sounds like your suggesting we shouldn't pay much attention to black people because they only make up about 12% of the population.

No, that isn't what I'm saying at all. Think about it a moment. If you see a series of items, one of which has an uncommon characteristic, which of those items stands out in your memory later? What has happened is that a small portion of the population in black-white relationships attracts much more attention than the much larger number of couples who are of the same approximate race.

This is especially true of black-white or either with Asians. It stands out to the human brain because that is one of strengths, spotting that which is different in a pattern group. This completely ignores that there can be plenty of tension concerning relationships within a group that appears homogenous to outsiders. An American of any race can be completely ignorant of it but Africa has more self-identified ethnic groups than any other place on the planet. No surprise as there has been humans there longer than anywhere else, living in relatively isolated groups with centuries and even millenia to develop distinctive features from those of their neighbors. (Although in Rwanda, the division of Tutsis and Hutus was entirely artificial and only a few decades old.) A group, to an outsider, of seemingly homogenous people can easily identify the tribes of complete strangers at a glance and raise issues if a woman from their tribe takes up with one of those members of another tribe. You or I would be baffled and wonder what the fuss was about.

People have always managed to make division among themselves and see minute differences as cause. Not long after the murder of her son, Camille Cosby (wife of Bill) wrote an OP-ED piece that appeared in the Los Angeles Times. In it she asserted that America taught her son's murderer, a Russian immigrant of Ukranian ancestry, to hate. This was utter and complete nonsense. Spend some time in Russia and you'll soon learn that Ukranians are treated like sub-humans much of the time. The difference between Russians and Ukranians may be subtle at best for us but it is a very big issue to those peoples in their native lands. The same pattern can be found throughout the world. (Some people are in a snit because the title role in the movie of 'Memoirs of a Geisha' is being played by a Chinese actress.) People will always find those divisions to rule their emotions in the place of actual rational thought. The black-white thing just makes it easier for those with little imagination. Training wheels for those driven to seek tribal cohesion.

I do know a number of black men married to white women. These men all tend to be very successful self-made sorts who've rejected most of the rhetoric of the so-called leaders of the African-American community like Jesse Jackson. They're very well educated and seek the company of similar people with little concern to where on the globe the ancestors of those people lived. They've ended up with white women not because they sought out skin color but because the pool of black women in their intellectual circles of friends and colleagues tends to be extremely limited and they place a high value on fitting into that group as opposed to race. It isn't so much a rejection of black women so much as the culture in which most of them live.
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I have serious problems with people who only look for commitments in one particular race due to them simply being of that race, and not due to them just being more attracted to that person or people of that race. But the question that should be asked, in the case you mentioned, is why there are so few members of that race in succesful positions? That is the problem. Poverty, discrete racism, sense of helplessness/hopelessness and various other things factor into that.[/quote]

There is a word for that popularized by Larry Elder: victicrat. The men I described had no special advantages in life beyond high IQs and good parents. As I mentioned, they have no respect for those they view as race baiting con artists who've lead lives of luxury paid for by those their are supposedly helping and the occasional shakedown of big businesses that panic at the threat of being labeled rascist. Jackson met his match when tried that crap on T.J. Rodgers of Cypress Semiconductors. He told Jackson publicly to send him some qualified black engineers to some some of the many positions the company had open. Jackson's reaction was to back down and forget he'd ever made any accusations against the company.

The men I described made it in the world on the basis of their ability. They have no patience for other blacks who believe it isn't possible and that greatly reduces their dating pool where black women are concerned. It isn't as though the average white woman was a good match either. These were guys whose work was a major part of their lives and not just a job. Their prospective mates needed to be able to appreciate that work, so dating amongst colleagues and other high achiever groups helped a lot.
 
I've long suspected there is a innate factor in humans, possibly even at the genetic level, that makes some individuals more interested in prospective mates from outside their native group. Meanwhile others are wired to be highly focused to only seek mates within the native group. This would serve to reinforce useful traits on the one hands while importing from other genepools to keep harmful traits from becoming dominant.

As the mobile population of the developed world become more intermixed it will become harder for those with either compulsion to figure out what they're seeking.
 
[quote name='epobirs']The men I described made it in the world on the basis of their ability. They have no patience for other blacks who believe it isn't possible and that greatly reduces their dating pool where black women are concerned. It isn't as though the average white woman was a good match either. These were guys whose work was a major part of their lives and not just a job. Their prospective mates needed to be able to appreciate that work, so dating amongst colleagues and other high achiever groups helped a lot.[/b][/quote]

So, in other words, they wouldn't be seeking spouses at all? If neither black nor white women are suitable spouses, what in the world is your argument?

By the way, you believe that we must live in a meritocracy! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='epobirs']The men I described made it in the world on the basis of their ability. They have no patience for other blacks who believe it isn't possible and that greatly reduces their dating pool where black women are concerned. It isn't as though the average white woman was a good match either. These were guys whose work was a major part of their lives and not just a job. Their prospective mates needed to be able to appreciate that work, so dating amongst colleagues and other high achiever groups helped a lot.[/b][/quote]

So, in other words, they wouldn't be seeking spouses at all? If neither black nor white women are suitable spouses, what in the world is your argument?

By the way, you believe that we must live in a meritocracy! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

myke.[/quote]

Work harder on the reading comprehension or the cap and gown will be revoked. They obviously did seek mates but as indicated limited their search to women in fields that required similar levels of achievement to their own. That narrowed the field quite a lot but as also indicated the results were favorable.

No meritocracy here. The Man has been holding me back all these years. Wily bugger somehow tricked me into making all those mistakes and bad choices. You betcha.
 
[quote name='epobirs'][quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='epobirs']The men I described made it in the world on the basis of their ability. They have no patience for other blacks who believe it isn't possible and that greatly reduces their dating pool where black women are concerned. It isn't as though the average white woman was a good match either. These were guys whose work was a major part of their lives and not just a job. Their prospective mates needed to be able to appreciate that work, so dating amongst colleagues and other high achiever groups helped a lot.[/b][/quote]

So, in other words, they wouldn't be seeking spouses at all? If neither black nor white women are suitable spouses, what in the world is your argument?

By the way, you believe that we must live in a meritocracy! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

myke.[/quote]

Work harder on the reading comprehension or the cap and gown will be revoked. They obviously did seek mates but as indicated limited their search to women in fields that required similar levels of achievement to their own. That narrowed the field quite a lot but as also indicated the results were favorable.

No meritocracy here. The Man has been holding me back all these years. Wily bugger somehow tricked me into making all those mistakes and bad choices. You betcha.[/quote]

:rofl:
 
Asian chicks age better.

I like a white-asian mix. shannon sossamon for instance.

mmmm shannon sossamon :twisted:

shannyn1.jpg
 
[quote name='epobirs']I've long suspected there is a innate factor in humans, possibly even at the genetic level, that makes some individuals more interested in prospective mates from outside their native group. Meanwhile others are wired to be highly focused to only seek mates within the native group. This would serve to reinforce useful traits on the one hands while importing from other genepools to keep harmful traits from becoming dominant.

As the mobile population of the developed world become more intermixed it will become harder for those with either compulsion to figure out what they're seeking.[/quote]

You suspicion is correct, mostly. It's not really duel forces. Most studies I've seen have shown that humans generally find people with different characteristics more attractive than people whose share similar characteristics to themselves. This is likely a defense against inbreeding. The studies I've seen though did not include race as a factor, and it likely would have been pointless due to all the outside influences (and the fact that the difference is obvious and stands out, unless differences in eyes or noses). I've seen litte evidence to suggest that there is a tendency to seek individuals with similar characteristics, at least one that isn't socially constructed. The ones that relied solely on questions of which was more attractive have indicated that people prefer different characteristics. The ones that were more subjective (ie. people naming their ideal traits in a partner, not picking the more attractive from a group) have indicated they prefer more similar partners. I find the actual rating of partners much more accurate though.
 
[quote name='camoor']Asian chicks age better.

I like a white-asian mix. shannon sossamon for instance.

mmmm shannon sossamon :twisted:

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I agree about the aging, sorta(though I don't know who this shanon is). They age better until they get real old, then not as well.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='camoor']Asian chicks age better.

I like a white-asian mix. shannon sossamon for instance.

mmmm shannon sossamon :twisted:

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I agree about the aging, sorta(though I don't know who this shanon is). They age better until they get real old, then not as well.[/quote]

She was in A Knight's Tale, Rules of Attraction, probably something else I've never seen ...

http://imdb.com/name/nm0815370/
 
Well for me I grew up in Minnesota which is full of blonde haired blue eyed people. I had my fill by the time I was 18. I was an active youth let's just say.

When I went to NY...I was tired of white chicks and my taste for them has dwindled. I always see them as someone I knew when I was young. I had my first black girlfriend in high school when I was in 10th grade. I also had a filipino girl a year later. There was some inbetween too but they were white.

NYC has some of the hottest ethnic women. I have yet to date a Japanese girl but oh well...I guess that will never happen now. :whistle2:(

For me it's just that a person of a different race tends to add to the exoticism of it all. If you worked at Burger King for 10 years don't you think you would be eating a lot more Wendy's after your employment? :)
 
I think for me it's a combination of a few things. One is I like women of other races better generally. Another is I like strong/tough women and white women seem to often be more submissive/girly/cheerleader types. And, similar to what defender said, the appearance of white women is boring (though not due to having too many). Though, due to the vast amount of muslim women in toronto, I seem to have developed a fetish for hijabs. I don't think they were intended for that purpose though. :)
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='epobirs']I've long suspected there is a innate factor in humans, possibly even at the genetic level, that makes some individuals more interested in prospective mates from outside their native group. Meanwhile others are wired to be highly focused to only seek mates within the native group. This would serve to reinforce useful traits on the one hands while importing from other genepools to keep harmful traits from becoming dominant.

As the mobile population of the developed world become more intermixed it will become harder for those with either compulsion to figure out what they're seeking.[/quote]

You suspicion is correct, mostly. It's not really duel forces. Most studies I've seen have shown that humans generally find people with different characteristics more attractive than people whose share similar characteristics to themselves. This is likely a defense against inbreeding. The studies I've seen though did not include race as a factor, and it likely would have been pointless due to all the outside influences (and the fact that the difference is obvious and stands out, unless differences in eyes or noses). I've seen litte evidence to suggest that there is a tendency to seek individuals with similar characteristics, at least one that isn't socially constructed. The ones that relied solely on questions of which was more attractive have indicated that people prefer different characteristics. The ones that were more subjective (ie. people naming their ideal traits in a partner, not picking the more attractive from a group) have indicated they prefer more similar partners. I find the actual rating of partners much more accurate though.[/quote]

The subset that are compelled to seek those of similar characteristics to their own would be much harder to track since so many simply find mates that way by default. In a homogenous environment all they need do is shop locally, while the xenophiles stand out by their need to move beyond that environment for fulfillment.

I have known a few people who had ample opportunity and no discernable prejudice when faced with potential mates outside their genotype. In many cases the people were close friends. But there was just no chemistry until they found someone assured of producing kids that would be the next best thing to clones of themselves. They weren't aware of it but they couldn't get interested in any but a very narrow range of women that crossed their path.

Certainly there are some with intense cultural inhibitions against operating outside their self-defined group. Spike Lee, for instance, insists he has never felt the slightest attraction to any non-black woman. I find that a pretty remarkable claim. OTOH, I'm the opposite. I've never encountered an ethnic group that doesn't produce at least a few wildly atractive women. The culture may involve things that make those women unattractive but that is a whole other issue.
 
[quote name='epobirs'][quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='epobirs']The men I described made it in the world on the basis of their ability. They have no patience for other blacks who believe it isn't possible and that greatly reduces their dating pool where black women are concerned. It isn't as though the average white woman was a good match either. These were guys whose work was a major part of their lives and not just a job. Their prospective mates needed to be able to appreciate that work, so dating amongst colleagues and other high achiever groups helped a lot.[/b][/quote]

So, in other words, they wouldn't be seeking spouses at all? If neither black nor white women are suitable spouses, what in the world is your argument?

By the way, you believe that we must live in a meritocracy! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

myke.[/quote]

Work harder on the reading comprehension or the cap and gown will be revoked. They obviously did seek mates but as indicated limited their search to women in fields that required similar levels of achievement to their own. That narrowed the field quite a lot but as also indicated the results were favorable.

No meritocracy here. The Man has been holding me back all these years. Wily bugger somehow tricked me into making all those mistakes and bad choices. You betcha.[/quote]

Someone gets snippy late at night, don't they? I'll do my best to avoid anything childish (which, for me, is going to be rather difficult).

So your sarcastic remarks further reaffirm that we live in a nation/culture/whathaveyou that is defined by meritocratic acheivement. You genuinely believe that people reflect their work ethic, intelligence, education, and upbringing (to what extent you believe this holds true, I can't claim). That's fine, most US citizens believe that if people "put their mind to it, they can do anything."

However, your argument puts the proportion of black females into a set of classes that largely excludes them from the "intellectual classes," for want of a better phrase. As a result, those black males in the upper echelon of work status in the United States have, without any involvement of their own, a severe constraint against finding a black female as a suitable spouse (the value the male places on status, and the relative lack of females who fulfill the qualifications that come with that), without any involvement of the male.

Why is it that black females are underrepresented in these areas, then? We should expect, if meritocracy rules *truly* hold, a perfectly even distribution of people in various socioeconomic classes according to their proportion in the overall population; if blacks are 12-15% of the population, they should occupy (by virtue of random assignment) 12-15% of any given identifiable "class."

So how do we explain this discrepancy? (and by we, I mean "not me").

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Someone gets snippy late at night, don't they? I'll do my best to avoid anything childish (which, for me, is going to be rather difficult).

So your sarcastic remarks further reaffirm that we live in a nation/culture/whathaveyou that is defined by meritocratic acheivement. [/quote]

First off, saying that someone lives with meritocratic ideals isn't the same as saying that everyone lives in a meritocracy.

[quote name='mykevermin']You genuinely believe that people reflect their work ethic, intelligence, education, and upbringing (to what extent you believe this holds true, I can't claim).[/quote]

People's upbringing and intelligence (sometimes these are in conflict) are reflected in their work ethic, education and ideals.

[quote name='mykevermin']However, your argument puts the proportion of black females into a set of classes that largely excludes them from the "intellectual classes," for want of a better phrase. As a result, those black males in the upper echelon of work status in the United States have, without any involvement of their own, a severe constraint against finding a black female as a suitable spouse (the value the male places on status, and the relative lack of females who fulfill the qualifications that come with that), without any involvement of the male.

Why is it that black females are underrepresented in these areas, then? We should expect, if meritocracy rules *truly* hold, a perfectly even distribution of people in various socioeconomic classes according to their proportion in the overall population; if blacks are 12-15% of the population, they should occupy (by virtue of random assignment) 12-15% of any given identifiable "class."

So how do we explain this discrepancy? (and by we, I mean "not me").

myke.[/quote]

I think the answer to this is simple, if somewhat controversial. The greater part of American Black society places no value on the "intellectual classes" and defines success in general in a completely different fashion than the American majority. Most black people are taught (and in turn teach their own children) that success is completely independent of having a job. The black role models consist mainly of sports stars, music stars, and actors. While these are all viable professions, only a select few (of any culture or race) can actually get them. When black people usually talk about good regular jobs, they talk about being a doctor or a lawyer and that's it. It's not that black people are stupid or anything like that, there's just a very limited general idea of what people's options are. There's also a great deal of reticence in the Black community to get into any area that isn't traditionallly 'black'. Pair that with the general disinterest in education, and most blacks don't have very high expectations for themselves. It's always hard for people to picture themselves in a life outside of their experiences.
 
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