Why do people hate Nintendo?

[quote name='seanw']Not to "tell you what you do and don't want," mmn, but if teens and adults are too cool to play a game like DK:JB, it's their loss. Ditto Wind Waker, which is a hell of a game. You seem to think that there's room in the market for DOA but not Super Smash Bros Melee, but that's making the reverse assumption that everyone wants dark/gritty/realistic, or that those games have a corner on complex gameplay.

I wish I had the money and time to have all three systems, because there are XBox and PS2 games I'm really interested in. But at the same time, the PS2 and XBox are competing for basically the exact same customers, offering almost the exact same library with a few exclusive titles and some price/controller/technology variations. We don't need three consoles doing that. Nintendo would not be helped by catering to the same market. That doesn't mean that it wouldn't be great if Nintendo loosened up licensing and allowed more third-party groups to bring their quality titles, even and especially their quality Mature titles, to the system, but I appreciate that Nintendo has a strong identity and focus on quality gameplay for all ages, as opposed to essentially just being another brand with a disc player that you can toss GTA into.[/QUOTE]

There's definitely room in the market for a Wind Waker or a Super Smash Brothers, but the OP wanted to know why Nintendo is basically 3rd place at this point and why we Xbox fans dislike them. They've become a niche company, because now they're focusing on a group that is not the dominant group in gaming. The age group that dominates gaming isn't 8-15 anymore, and until Nintendo STOPS catering to that age group they're not going to go anywhere.
 
[quote name='mmn']People like having OPTIONS, junior. That's how it works. Besides, you read my whole post and think the only reason I dislike Nintendo is because they don't include features I wouldn't use. You're the idiot. Try responding to the rest of the post instead of just typing "blah blah blah" as though you're a wounded Nintendo fanboy who knows he has nothing to say about it.

I'm not "too cool" to clap at a controller - that's not the point. The point is, its not fun. I think its one of the stupidest looking things I've ever seen on a console, and this is going back to the Atari days.

Good for you that you like playing "adorable" games. I don't. I'm a grown ass man, I stopped playing "adorable" games when I hit puberty.

But I don't get why you're defending these games. The guy asked why we dislike Nintendo. If you can't take it, get the fuck out of this thread and go back over to the Gamecube forum.[/QUOTE]

mmn's machismo tip of the day: Real men don't play cute games.

In that case... I'm sorry you're to insecure about your sexuality to find a game endearing yet enjoyable and suitable for such a manly man as yourself.
 
[quote name='Kayden']mmn's machismo tip of the day: Real men don't play cute games.

In that case... I'm sorry you're to insecure about your sexuality to find a game endearing yet enjoyable and suitable for such a manly man as yourself.[/QUOTE]


it's true! he told me once that I was trying to prove how big my dick was because i said I liked difficult action games :lol:
 
[quote name='Kayden']mmn's machismo tip of the day: Real men don't play cute games.

In that case... I'm sorry you're to insecure about your sexuality to find a game endearing yet enjoyable and suitable for such a manly man as yourself.[/QUOTE]

Ouch, I hurt the Nintendo fan's feelings. Someone call the waaaaahmbulance.
 
[quote name='Apossum']it's true! he told me once that I was trying to prove how big my dick was because i said I liked difficult action games :lol:[/QUOTE]

:lol::lol::lol:

Hey, you should take more of my quotes out of context. Dipshit.

:lol::lol::lol:
 
[quote name='mmn']Ouch, I hurt the Nintendo fan's feelings. Someone call the waaaaahmbulance.[/QUOTE]

If by 'hurt my feelings' you mean I 'remain totally indifferent to the views of an opinionated and loud mouthed ass'... well sir, you are correct.

If anything, the game cube is my least attended system. I think it has quality games, I just don't play it much because I prefer RPGs which it sadly lacks. I was just commenting on the selections you had singled out and ridiculing you for disliking the hardware for not having something you wouldn't make use of anyways.
 
[quote name='Kayden'] ridiculing you for disliking the hardware .[/QUOTE]

And you did a pretty poor job of that. Good try anyways.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Correct me if I'm wrong but, I think he said that videogames were for kids and that online gaming was a passing fad.[/QUOTE]

You are wrong.
That was me correcting you.
 
[quote name='mmn']The age group that dominates gaming isn't 8-15 anymore, and until Nintendo STOPS catering to that age group they're not going to go anywhere.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo doesn't cater to the 8-15 year old group. They cater to "gamers of all ages". They went on record, for example, saying that the Nintendo DS was aimed specifically at the 18-24 year old group.
 
[quote name='alongx']Nintendo doesn't cater to the 8-15 year old group. They cater to "gamers of all ages". They went on record, for example, saying that the Nintendo DS was aimed specifically at the 18-24 year old group.[/QUOTE]

I'm curious at to which age group the DS sold best with, because I missed the games for 18-24 yr olds specifically.
 
so i'm guessing the assumption is that games for 18-24 yr olds = titties + beer?
 
[quote name='Apossum']so i'm guessing the assumption is that games for 18-24 yr olds = titties + beer?[/QUOTE]

I don't know of a lot of games that focus on that, so I guess not.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']A big pat on the back to everyone at CAG for not turning this into a flame war. It's nice to have a adult conversation about the gaming industry.[/QUOTE]

I think those pats were a little premature.
 
[quote name='Apossum']so i'm guessing the assumption is that games for 18-24 yr olds = titties + beer?[/QUOTE]

No, but it isn't a world covered in hot pink and neon green with little cutesy furry characters leveling up by milking cows and planting rows of corn either.
 
One thing we must take into account are the size of the companies. Sony and Microsoft have non-gaming divisions which generate revenue which can be used to cover the losses of the gaming division.

Microsoft is taking heavy losses in this generation to gain market penetration and has the only console with a full blown online service. If Nintendo did not see a good chance to make a profit or break even in providing an online service, it would have been very risky. When Nintendo stated that consumers didn't want online gaming, they were probably looking research which shows a relatively small percentage of console gamers actually play online.

Forums like this are visited by those who are most likely to play online, and we tend to overestimate the general demand for online play. They released the online adapter so developers could take the risk and develop online games using their own resources. I believe Nintendo just wanted to sit back and learn from Sony and Microsoft's venture into online gaming this generation. Hopefully they will have a good online offering for their Revolution console. It will be interesting to see how they handle it.
 
[quote name='wbc1228']You do realize that even if Nintendo is last in the console race, they're still the most profitable....right?

http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1112049459[/QUOTE]

Well in that case, let me just take back everything I said about Nintendo right now! Nintendo is #1!

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[quote name='PenguinMaster']I don't know of a lot of games that focus on that, so I guess not.[/QUOTE]


you're missing out man.
 
I don't game for the systems and there specs, I game for the Games. I always though what made gamers gamers, was the games and the enjoyment of being able to play games, since when has gaming been a penis measuring contest? Frankly I could give two ass hairs if johnny b good doesn't like Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft, or PC gaming, It's there lost not mine..
 
Well, but it is our loss if free-floating disinterest or resentment toward Nintendo becomes so established that it reduces their install base and their ability to innovate and create games. Nintendo losing market share in the current-gen console market isn't a good thing, although Apple has done pretty well for themselves in much the same scenario.
 
apathy is all I have to say to that, considering people that like one brand will always love one brand, that's why it's called being biased. You can't change people that hate somethings mind, nor would I ever try, I let people like that bath in there own ignorance. On the other side of the spectrum gamers that love all games regardless of what company made it, or what company made the platform it's on will always love gaming. I'm not hell bent on shoving what I think down peoples throats, if they want to think gaming on one console will make them look kid like, or any other half assed theory from some pre-pubcent mind set by all means let them. Will it hurt the industry if people think like that? Sure, but unlike some I think for myself, and I also have faith in the fact that other people can think for themselves (although It may not seem like it) and it's not going to be a wide spread epidemic of being platform biased, and if by some slim chance it does I don't only feel sorry for gamers, but to the human race as a whole. Let people think what they want, trying to force someone to like something is no different from the gamers that are biased trying to force there ideology into the minds of people.
 
I will say this, I own all 3 systems (hooked up to my brand new Sony Wega RP-LCD 42") and I would not say one is BETTER than the other, yes different, but not better, I do spend more time on a certain console, which is the PS2... it happens to be dependent on what the game content is, and not "who made what"... I will say however, that if a PORT for all 3 games comes out, I would prefer to purchase it on my xbox due to the higher res graphics. My problem (being a need-the-newest-technology person) is that the GC has no optical cable support.. also the NEWER cubes dont even accept component cables... I feel that each company has such a hard time meeting a wide age band because i wouldnt buy anything that only uses S-video or whatever EVER again.. most gamers are not in the position i am (or choose to be in) with needing the latest, 720p and 1080i picture or 5.1DD sound but thats where the breakdown for me and companies are... gone are the old days of the 8-bit nintendo where it didnt matter what you hooked it up to it was still cheesy( dont get me wrong, i loved the 8bit!!) but now its about making a COMPONENT more than a little "game machine". I would prefer a $400-$500 ps3 that had HD-upconvert 1080i, DTS support ect ect over a ps3 that is marketed for the masses at a regular level... but then the company cant sell as many units ect... ect.. so what we are really talking about is a hard call... target markets... I fall in the upper end of "high end gaming" and I am very excited about whats new on the horizon for all 3 companies.. I am glad the big N made the right move FINALLY with a DVD style media and the next advancement they make should be huge (as well as MS and Sony).
 
I didn't get a cube because the N64 left a bad taste in my mouth and the Cube seemed to have a lot of the same problems as far as less games and higher prices vs. the competition. The higher prices thing may just be my perception, but it certainly seems like there are more deals for PS2 and Xbox games. (PS2 gets more deals than Xbox as well.)

If the Cube had received a port of the GTA games I may have picked one up. But to even think of that happening is laughable.

But I don't hate Nintendo.
 
[quote name='Apossum']so i'm guessing the assumption is that games for 18-24 yr olds = titties + beer?[/QUOTE]

I'm late to this whole party, but here's my 2 cents anyway-

One of the reasons the big N isn't "kewl" with a lot of gamers is that they focus more on "all ages" games rather than "Mature" games. Kids want Mature games because they're more dangerous and they're the forbidden fruit. The irony of this whole situation is that many "Mature" games are ridiculously juvenile and are just an excuse to show blood, heads exploding, bouncing cleavage etc, the kind of thing that really excites 13 year olds, e.g. Roadkill, which is probably the biggest assembled-by-committee Poochie game I can think of.
But your average adult would probably find something like Pikmin more interesting because it engages your brain a bit more, and is, gasp, FUN to play. But because the presentation of Nintendo games is "cute" with bright colorful characters (as well as being typically Japanese and a little bit weird) and not much darkness or edge, insecure teenagers who want to appear all grown up will stay away from all that kind of thing and instead go and pick up some hookers or club a gay construction worker in an oh-so-mature GTA title.
 
[quote name='dinovelvet'] But your average adult would probably find something like Pikmin more interesting because it engages your brain a bit more.[/QUOTE]

No, your average gaming adult would rather play Gran Turismo 4, GTA : San Andreas, Halo 2, and God of War. That's why THOSE games sell in the millions upon millions.

Let's look at this simple fact - what games are convincing NON Gamecube owners to go buy a Gamecube? It sure isn't PIKMIN. It's Resident Evil 4. It's Metroid Prime 2. It's the new "mature' Zelda title.

Do you see a trend here? I can't be the only sane person in this thread who sees this stuff.
 
[quote name='mmn']

Do you see a trend here? I can't be the only sane person in this thread who sees this stuff.[/QUOTE]


I 100% agree with you.

I think a lot of gamers got tired of Mario(character-wise) a long time ago, to the point that avoiding games with cutesy nintendo mascots is important enough to skip playing what might be a good game(gameplay-wise). I played little of mario sunshine, mario party, mario tennis, and such just to try them out... but the characters just don't click for me anymore. The gameplay feels right, but the characters make me want to put it down. My games don't have to be ultra-violent but super cutesy mushroom people with all pastels and rainbow colors just grates on me.

Metroid almost convinced me to get a cube. I was blown away by the graphics and presentation, but when I played it I was angered and disappointed by the control scheme, so I knew I could wait on that.
Like mmn said games like RE4 and the new Zelda are convincing myself and others to finally get a gamecube. If Nintendo could just release more of a balance of "all-ages" and "adult" titles for their system... and actually get a steady stream of good 3rd party titles they would be more of a contender in the console race.

I just think that Nintendo is out of touch with what the majority of gamers really want. They appearantly believe that all gamers need is a steady stream of Mario/DK/etc related games, and that online gaming and adult interest in gaming is a passing fad.
 
SNES is the greatest console hands down

Here's a great way to solve the problem: buy an xbox, ps2, and gamecube. That was my solution to the problem (although I only have around 10 GC games, as opposed to...err, I lost count of how many games I have for the other systems)
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']I'm curious at to which age group the DS sold best with, because I missed the games for 18-24 yr olds specifically.[/QUOTE]

I think the DS sold moderately well within their target audience despite the lack of "mature" games.
My last quote, though, was Nintendo's standard line. Just because you don't see games aimed at 18-24 year olds specifically yet (I'd say that Metroid Prime, for example, will be aimed at an older crowd) doesn't mean that Nintendo wasn't trying to get that crowd.
 
I think this whole thing can be summed up in one thought. Those who prefer X-Box don't enjoy Nintendo as much because the X-Box is targetted at people that already weren't buying GameCubes.

X-Box games (the well-selling ones anyway) are either Mature (maybe Teen), online, or both. GameCube games tend to be rated Everyone (some Teen). They also don't feature online (except for PSO).

That's it in a nutshell. They have different strategies and went after different markets with different games. Look at your average gamer with two consoles. Odds are s/he has a PS2 and either an X-Box or a GameCube. I don't know anybody who has only a GameCube and an X-Box.
 
The taste of the majority of the gaming community has matured. While saving Princess Peach and Zelda can still be very enjoyable, a lot of people would rather blow alien/human heads off. Another reason they don't sell so well is because...THEY'RE CONTINUOUS RE-HASHES!

Xbox Live is not expensive. Besides the charges of your provider, you could never pay for Xbox Live if you were that dedicated to being cheap! All you'd have to do is keep using 2-month free cards. Although, then you'd lose all your stats and you friends list, but that happens whenever you switch to a different game on the PS2! Even if you planned to buy a year subscription, it's still a great deal. You can get a mic ($30), Crimson Skies ($20), and a year subscription ($50) for $70 or lower!

I love my Gamecube, but I still consider it the loser of the console market.
 
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