Why does caffeine make me tired?

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I can't figure this out and I've tried looking online and everything. Caffeine used to have no noticeable effect on me, even after 2 or 3 12 oz cups of coffee. But lately (past year or so) its been either doing nothing or making me tired. An hour or two later I'm back to normal. Normally it takes a 12 oz cup or 2 cups of what I used at home (hold about 8 ounces), but I just drank about 4 ounces (half the cup) and I'm feeling a little tired. I got plenty of sleep so it's not that.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I can't figure this out and I've tried looking online and everything. Caffeine used to have no noticeable effect on me, even after 2 or 3 12 oz cups of coffee. But lately (past year or so) its been either doing nothing or making me tired. An hour or two later I'm back to normal. Normally it takes a 12 oz cup or 2 cups of what I used at home (hold about 8 ounces), but I just drank about 4 ounces (half the cup) and I'm feeling a little tired. I got plenty of sleep so it's not that.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, that's weird, it's usually the opposite effect.
 
Yeah, caffeine's weird for me too. It really doesn't affect me much. I can drink Coke or Dr. Pepper and go right to bed, it doesn't make me hyper like it does some people. If I have tea, coffee, latte or anything hot it usually makes me sleepy - but I think it's the warmth more than the caffeine.

Maybe I'm immune to it because of my adult ADD
 
If caffeine started making me feel tired I think I'd pretty much cut it out of my diet completely. Do you drink a lot of it?
 
Maybe youre becoming immune to its effects? I say stop drinking it regularly and let your body purge itself for a while. Then have a Jolt.
 
No. The most I ever drink is 2 12 oz cups (I always by smalls), but I have a sensitive stomach and usually can't drink more than 1. I never drink coffee every day for more than 3 or 4 days in a row (because I get tired of it and because I don't want the headaches from not drinking it), and I often go a week or more without any coffee. I don't drink coffee in the morning or for any effect.

I don't drink soda much at all (haven't had any in over a month), and don't really eat candy. Tea I drink sometimes, but haven't had any (outside of maybe 2 cups) in months. I don't think there is anything I'm eating or drinking that would be a significant source of caffeine outside coffee.

My body seems to react strangly to some things. As a kid I remember falling asleep every time I got non drowsy cold and cough medicine, so maybe its just something strange with me.
 
Eat chocolate much?

Its supposd to block the hormone that makes you tired. I am guessing at this point you are not bleading from anywhere are you? In the past it has had that effect on cag members.

Other than that its weird. I do know that when I was stressing at work tylenol PMs got me all wound up compared to making me tired. Even a prescribed sleep aid I had for a post surgery didnt help.
 
Maybe it's a comedown. You don't feel (or, more appropriately, notice) the effects of caffeine, but after it wears off, it leaves you tired, much like coming off of a sugar buzz.
 
but why would I feel the down side while I'm in the middle of drinking it? It's not something I really feel afterward, but when the caffeine should be having its greatest effect.
 
cmon guys, caffeine is a drug, its just like any other drug. you drink a lot, you build up a tollerence, you drink too much it starts to have negative effects until you drink more and more. it will only be a few years until caffine is the next tobacco, along with high fructose corn syrup
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']No. The most I ever drink is 2 12 oz cups (I always by smalls), but I have a sensitive stomach and usually can't drink more than 1. I never drink coffee every day for more than 3 or 4 days in a row (because I get tired of it and because I don't want the headaches from not drinking it), and I often go a week or more without any coffee. I don't drink coffee in the morning or for any effect.

I don't drink soda much at all (haven't had any in over a month), and don't really eat candy. Tea I drink sometimes, but haven't had any (outside of maybe 2 cups) in months. I don't think there is anything I'm eating or drinking that would be a significant source of caffeine outside coffee.

My body seems to react strangly to some things. As a kid I remember falling asleep every time I got non drowsy cold and cough medicine, so maybe its just something strange with me.[/QUOTE]

That makes two of us- since I was little, sugar and caffiene have always me me a lil' tired- and milk/bread wakes me up. *shrugs* I've never thought much about it.

The one exception is Excedrin Miragrine- that stuff has a weird, weird effect on me, where I'm buzzed and feel like running up the walls, but at the same time so exhuasted I can barely walk around. I usually end up twitching in a corner somewhere for an hour or two while I wait for it to wear off a little.
 
lol this is a good topic :)

Anyways I started drinking coffee regularly about two weeks ago. I needed to pull all nighters for my demo reel dvd I was producing. Took a nap as soon as I got home from work at 4pm, sleep til 8pm, eat , have a cup of coffee and then work on my reel all night. Took small breaks to check email every 2 hrs or so but stayed up all night then offically got ready for work at 6:30am , have breakfast and another cup of coffee and got to work by 7:30am. by around 10:30ish I would get a major downer and was extremly tired , had a hard time keeping my eyes opened. Also needed to take a dump as I was getting stomach pains. Im lacktosintoerant :(

I would repeat the cycle for a few days up til around last sunday where I woke up 2pm, got dressed, kept on working on the reel , drank coffee that day and night (at least two cups) , stayed up all freaking night...got the dvd done around 2am..worked on some print work got ready at 6am to work at 7:30am went to an interview at 1:30pm two towns away...on the way there, i dozed off for about 2 seconds on the road :O. Did my thing, then finally got home around 4pm.

then went to bed minutes later...

total time up since sunday afternoon til monday afternoon, 26 hrs...the other days it was more like 20 hrs.......... was coffee the cause? i think so, but I hate the downers :(

And get this..everyone in my family drinks this shit, but I didn't til now....I my ex girlfriend who I was with for 4 years was a coffee holic but I didn't get hooked, until now.
 
[quote name='shieryda']Some interesting info. on howstuffworks.com:


http://home.howstuffworks.com/caffeine4.htm[/QUOTE]

Thanks to the link on that article. I sometimes drink pop (soda) an hour or two before I go to bed and when I wake up I'm still tired so that explains everything. OP I have no idea your problem I grew up in a house that drank only pop (soda) I was the only who drank water not all the time though. I never drink coffee, every time I drink coffee all I get is accelerated heart rate.
 
Your tolerance level for caffeine to have an effect on your body increased when you drink more and more caffeine each day. Just like alcohol, people can increase their tolerance level if they drink often.
 
[quote name='iheartmetal']cmon guys, caffeine is a drug, its just like any other drug. you drink a lot, you build up a tollerence, you drink too much it starts to have negative effects until you drink more and more. it will only be a few years until caffine is the next tobacco, along with high fructose corn syrup[/QUOTE]

Nailed it. That's exactly it. I'd say you've gotten caffiene from somewhere other than the obvious (it's in alot of stuff these days) and your body happened to build up a tollerance quicker than usual...
 
I've always wanted to be diagnosed with some behavioral or learning disorder. The reason is I'd already have the effects of it and am able to function and it would be like finding out that I can perform much better than I currently do by doing something to correct or help the problem. It wouldn't feel like fixing a problem, but more like improving the performance.

Though the only long term problem I've ever had was asthma. I either don't have it anymore or its mild enough that I don't need an inhaler, not sure which. If I do have anything currently it is undiagnosed.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I can't figure this out and I've tried looking online and everything. Caffeine used to have no noticeable effect on me, even after 2 or 3 12 oz cups of coffee. But lately (past year or so) its been either doing nothing or making me tired. An hour or two later I'm back to normal. Normally it takes a 12 oz cup or 2 cups of what I used at home (hold about 8 ounces), but I just drank about 4 ounces (half the cup) and I'm feeling a little tired. I got plenty of sleep so it's not that.[/QUOTE]
I have a friend who is ADD and having caffine while not on his medication is like a depressant to him. Dont ask me why but i have seen it work wonders on this kid lol.
 
Caffine has a noticable affect? Never has on me. Drink 3 energy drinks and if nothing happens then see a doctor. Those are supposed too work on everybody.
 
[quote name='j.elles']Caffine has a noticable affect? Never has on me. Drink 3 energy drinks and if nothing happens then see a doctor. Those are supposed too work on everybody.[/QUOTE]

Those have an effect, but a strange one. I used to love the one made by powerade until I realized that they made orgasms painful. It would be this extremely bad headache at first that just exploded in pain at orgasm. Though otherwise I was fine. The effect seemed to last about 3 days after I had one to drink. I'm not sure if all of them have that effect, or if it was something specific about that one. I think I tried red bull and it did, but I can't remember too clearly.
 
See a doctor if you're sure it's not a conflict with something else thats doing it. People devlop allergies/conditions suddenly quite a but these days it seems.
 
It's a widely accepted fact that those with the mental condition ADD or ADHD get the opposite effect from caffeine as the rest of the typical population. Knocks em right out, or at the very least, the caffeine causes them to go into a state of SEVERE hyperactivity, and then CRASH AND BURN and want to SLEEP in a rather short time.

That latter part I've noticed in a couple friends that have been diagnosed by multiple pyschologists/psychiatrists of having ADD.

Not saying you have THAT, but just throwing some info into the pile.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Those have an effect, but a strange one. I used to love the one made by powerade until I realized that they made orgasms painful. It would be this extremely bad headache at first that just exploded in pain at orgasm. Though otherwise I was fine. The effect seemed to last about 3 days after I had one to drink. I'm not sure if all of them have that effect, or if it was something specific about that one. I think I tried red bull and it did, but I can't remember too clearly.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to make light of what you said, but that is by far the funniest thing I have read in this thread. I guess red bull doesn't give you wings, huh?:)
 
[quote name='docvinh']I'm not trying to make light of what you said, but that is by far the funniest thing I have read in this thread. I guess red bull doesn't give you wings, huh?:)[/QUOTE]

Ya, it's funny. But it's not funny when it's you and a supposedly happy time results in massive pain.

It's a widely accepted fact that those with the mental condition ADD or ADHD get the opposite effect from caffeine as the rest of the typical population. Knocks em right out, or at the very least, the caffeine causes them to go into a state of SEVERE hyperactivity, and then CRASH AND BURN and want to SLEEP in a rather short time.

That latter part I've noticed in a couple friends that have been diagnosed by multiple pyschologists/psychiatrists of having ADD.

Not saying you have THAT, but just throwing some info into the pile.
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I have looked into that a bit and, while it doesn't appear to be completely accepted, there done seem to be a general consensus that it often does have a calming influence and can often help concentration in those with ADD or ADHD. Other than that I've seen no mention of people getting a similar reaction from caffeine. Not that I'm actually very concerned about the effect (it's more of a curiosity to me), but maybe I should contact someone about looking into it. I do well in school now anyway, the worst that can happen is I stay the same. If I do have something maybe it could help me do things better.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']My boss told me that you get tired after drinking coffee if you have ADHD...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I had a friend in Middle School who had ADHD and sometimes he'd start shaking and to calm him down he'd drink a Coke. For people without ADHD though they can get tolerant to caffiene (as already stated).
 
[quote name='vietgurl']My boss told me that you get tired after drinking coffee if you have ADHD...[/QUOTE]

This is very true. My husband has ADHD, and that means parts of his brain work a whole lost faster. Drinking caffeine speeds up the rest of the parts that aren't on the same cycle, so it's running more at the same general speed, which makes him feel tired. That's the simple way the doc explained it. That's why Ritalin works great for calming ADHD kids, but on the street it's a powerful stimulant.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']HF Corn Syrup may be unhealthy, but not a drug (or, if anything, psychosomatic).[/QUOTE]

sorry, i wasnt trying to say high fructose corn syrup is a drug, what im saying is, i think caffine and high fructose corn syrup will be the new things to give us cancer now that theyve already ruined smoking and drinking
 
It's all in the head. I myself have adhd pretty badly and I don't take medicine and it doesn't affect me or school at all. You just need willpower and inventivness. Caffine has never worked on me. Every once in awhile, not often, I get severe headaches. But I can't say that I can attribute it to anything. But seriously if three or four of any strong energy drink(there are some weak ones) don't work on you then call a doctor or one of those medical web sites, phone number hotlines or something. I'm also resistent to most things. Sucks at the dentist. Spend 3 times longer and get like 3+ shots just so my jaw and gums will stay numb long enough.
 
oh crap, i just notice the other night during a meeting that my hands were shaking..and i was drinking some coffee... how do i figure out if I have ADHD or whatever without seeing a doc or a shrink as I don't want my work to know about it as i might get fired :|
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']oh crap, i just notice the other night during a meeting that my hands were shaking..and i was drinking some coffee... how do i figure out if I have ADHD or whatever without seeing a doc or a shrink as I don't want my work to know about it as i might get fired :|[/QUOTE]

ummm........ I'd only really get concerned if you have problem staying focused and other issues, and shaking hands seems like the opposite of what happens to me. Besides, if they fire you for that you can sue them. And since it's something you would have had anyway, and not something that's going to progressively get worse, there's no reason for them to even see you as a liability.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']ummm........ I'd only really get concerned if you have problem staying focused and other issues, and shaking hands seems like the opposite of what happens to me. Besides, if they fire you for that you can sue them. And since it's something you would have had anyway, and not something that's going to progressively get worse, there's no reason for them to even see you as a liability.[/QUOTE]


Well yea staying focus lately has been my thing .. there is one class im helping out that the teacher is soooooooooooo boring that he puts even the kids to sleep. :(
Since I work in a public education system with kids... knowing i might be ADHD or admiting it might cause them to think im a libility. I work with kids with this and LD so I am watching for the signs. The only thing I am not is hyper active like they are.

My boss blames it on too much sugar in the morning and Xboxs. yea this coming from someone who has a degree in special ed.. :|
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Well yea staying focus lately has been my thing .. there is one class im helping out that the teacher is soooooooooooo boring that he puts even the kids to sleep. :(
Since I work in a public education system with kids... knowing i might be ADHD or admiting it might cause them to think im a libility. I work with kids with this and LD so I am watching for the signs. The only thing I am not is hyper active like they are.

My boss blames it on too much sugar in the morning and Xboxs. yea this coming from someone who has a degree in special ed.. :|[/QUOTE]

You do realize you said you have difficulty focusing in a class that you describe as extremely boring, right? That's sounds normal. The only way it would have any effect on your job performance that it doesn't already have (and I assume is already considered acceptable to your employee) is if it effects your confidence level or something else similar. They can't do anything to you for simply having something that isn't effecting your performance. If you do have it simply putting a name on it won't change anything, but it may change the way you view yourself for better or for worse. That's the only danger here. Also there's ADD and ADHD.

But it sounds more like you have medical students syndrome more than anything else.
 
I quit drinking caffeinated beverages last month. I used to drink quite a bit of soda pop (specifically "Vault"), and would be amped up on caffeine 24/7. I had a pretty bad withdrawal from it, for a while there; pulsating migraines / earaches, etc.

I've noticed that I'm less "thirsty" now. Naturally, our minds confuse craving caffeine for being thirsty.

My dad lost hearing in one of his ears due to a disease called Meniere's. Some doctors believe Meniere's stems from caffeine intake... so that scared me a little bit. I was having strange earaches while I drank caffeine, and now I don't.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You do realize you said you have difficulty focusing in a class that you describe as extremely boring, right? That's sounds normal. The only way it would have any effect on your job performance that it doesn't already have (and I assume is already considered acceptable to your employee) is if it effects your confidence level or something else similar. They can't do anything to you for simply having something that isn't effecting your performance. If you do have it simply putting a name on it won't change anything, but it may change the way you view yourself for better or for worse. That's the only danger here. Also there's ADD and ADHD.

But it sounds more like you have medical students syndrome more than anything else.[/QUOTE]

yea here is the kicker...the science teacher im helping out in his class is the SAME science teacher I had when I was in his class 16 years ago :O I clearly remembered how boring his class was, and how he put everyone to sleep. He hasn't changed his experiments since I graduated long ago, so he's doing the same shit. He looks the same except now he has a gotee and diffrent glasses..I guess androids do exists :p

I can't wait to get the fuck out of his class. two hours a day with this guy is boring enough to make lunch time a look forward to activity :)

whats medical students syndrome?
 
Back to the original question, here's some information on drug tolerance:

The human body likes to stay at a state of equilibrium, and will do what it can to maintain homeostasis. (A good example might be regulating body temperature in both hot and cold climates)

Whenever a new drug that the body has never dealt with before is introduced, the drug has it's most profound effect. You may have heard it called the exhiliration of the first high or something like that. This is because the body has never encountered it before and does not know how to react appropriately. However, the more and more you use the drug, the more experience with the biological effects your body has, and thus it can account for the effects when introduced to the body.

This is also known as building a tolerance. All that means is that your body is finding a way to return to homeostasis whenever this drug and its effects are introduced. So if caffeine is introduced and makes your body alert, your body will try to couneract the drug by releasing chemicals that make you tired. This is also a reason why when caffeine wears off you crash. Because your body has released so many chemicals to counteract the caffeine and make you tired which are still in your body after the caffeine has lost effect.

Your body also reacts to signals in the environment in order to counteract the effect. So if every morning you get up, go to the coffee pot and make coffee and do your coffee routine, eventually your body will recognize this cycle as one that will soon follow with the introduction of caffeine. Therefore, it will prepare and start releasing the chemicals before the coffee even hits your lips. (This is actually one cause for ODing, but I won't get into that)




So that's the medium-sized possible answer to why you are tired after drinking a cup of coffee. Your body is used to the average two cups and releases the counteracting chemicals accordingly when you start drinking that first cup, even if you don't drink as much at that sitting.




---If I missed anything or forgot something let me know. I could go on a while longer, but figured most didn't make it to the end of this post anyway. You'll all be tested on this material tomorrow morning.
 
That could explain why. I've never noticed any effect, but obviously there's a difference in how aware I am of the effect and what my body deals with. Maybe my body is getting too good at countering the caffeine. I drink less caffeine than most people I know too.

whats medical students syndrome?
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Basically its when you read about something and assume you, or someone you know, has it. This happens frequently to medical students, psychology students etc., but also to anyone who reads material regarding such issues. It's quite possible that those people do have something, but more often than not they don't. And when you read about 10 different diseases and you think you have half of them, then in all likelihood you don't have any.

Most of the people who do have a genuine issue had a hint something was wrong before hand.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']That could explain why. I've never noticed any effect, but obviously there's a difference in how aware I am of the effect and what my body deals with. Maybe my body is getting too good at countering the caffeine. I drink less caffeine than most people I know too.



Basically its when you read about something and assume you, or someone you know, has it. This happens frequently to medical students, psychology students etc., but also to anyone who reads material regarding such issues. It's quite possible that those people do have something, but more often than not they don't. And when you read about 10 different diseases and you think you have half of them, then in all likelihood you don't have any.

Most of the people who do have a genuine issue had a hint something was wrong before hand.[/QUOTE]

oh that makes sense...i thought MSS was something were medical students who have to study so much, take so many exams, be at so many hospital shifts , etc screw there mind up during there school years to prepare themselves for the long ass lifestyle of being a 24/7 doc :O
 
[quote name='GuyWithGun']Back to the original question, here's some information on drug tolerance:

The human body likes to stay at a state of equilibrium, and will do what it can to maintain homeostasis. (A good example might be regulating body temperature in both hot and cold climates)

Whenever a new drug that the body has never dealt with before is introduced, the drug has it's most profound effect. You may have heard it called the exhiliration of the first high or something like that. This is because the body has never encountered it before and does not know how to react appropriately. However, the more and more you use the drug, the more experience with the biological effects your body has, and thus it can account for the effects when introduced to the body.

This is also known as building a tolerance. All that means is that your body is finding a way to return to homeostasis whenever this drug and its effects are introduced. So if caffeine is introduced and makes your body alert, your body will try to couneract the drug by releasing chemicals that make you tired. This is also a reason why when caffeine wears off you crash. Because your body has released so many chemicals to counteract the caffeine and make you tired which are still in your body after the caffeine has lost effect.

Your body also reacts to signals in the environment in order to counteract the effect. So if every morning you get up, go to the coffee pot and make coffee and do your coffee routine, eventually your body will recognize this cycle as one that will soon follow with the introduction of caffeine. Therefore, it will prepare and start releasing the chemicals before the coffee even hits your lips. (This is actually one cause for ODing, but I won't get into that)




So that's the medium-sized possible answer to why you are tired after drinking a cup of coffee. Your body is used to the average two cups and releases the counteracting chemicals accordingly when you start drinking that first cup, even if you don't drink as much at that sitting.




---If I missed anything or forgot something let me know. I could go on a while longer, but figured most didn't make it to the end of this post anyway. You'll all be tested on this material tomorrow morning.[/QUOTE]

hey thats pretty good doc. lol i never see my parents with a downer after drinking coffee. :whistle2:\ Can you recommend any other thing I could take in the morning or am I doomed to falling asleep anyways due to that teacher's boring classes :O I want to see what alcahol has an effect on me, since I never drink ... back to the experiment..thanks again doc.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']hey thats pretty good doc. lol i never see my parents with a downer after drinking coffee. :whistle2:\ Can you recommend any other thing I could take in the morning or am I doomed to falling asleep anyways due to that teacher's boring classes :O I want to see what alcahol has an effect on me, since I never drink ... back to the experiment..thanks again doc.[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid there's no cure for boring shit. :D Well, not one that your teachers would appreciate anyways. I doubt you could pull off pretending to take notes on a PSP.

I actually don't drink much caffeine anymore. It used to be that I had quite a few Pepsi's during the day and wouldn't think anything of it. Then I started working out and it kicked my ass because I was so dehydrated. And because of that I started unconsciously phasing out soda. And now I drink a lot of water. (Plus it's free at restaurants!)

If I have a soda now I feel really really weighed down, and almost always want water afterwards. I really only drink soda when eating pizza. I've never drank coffee so I'm not sure if I'd feel the same way if I did. I imagine I would.

What helps me get up in the morning is a large glass of OJ and vitamins. I used to hate the stuff but now, it's ok. Gives you a nice healthy kick in the morning. (Wow, I sound like a health nut, but I'm really not)

Oh and when I was in high school, I used to carry Altoids around with me everywhere. Those help you stay awake in class as long as you have one in your mouth.
 
I think you may have Caffeine in something else Alonzo, see Chocolate.

Also for Energy Drink people some of that shit is super weak. The ONLY Energy Drink that really has had a REALLY noticeable effect on me is "Stacker". If any of you have had it you'll know what I'm talking about, if not it's the Energy drink with the bee on the front. I would suggest this Energy Drink for those who have not felt any effects from the other one's.
What I have noticed for non-direct effect, is that most energy drinks will give me more energy for playing dance games.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']I think you may have Caffeine in something else Alonzo, see Chocolate.

Also for Energy Drink people some of that shit is super weak. The ONLY Energy Drink that really has had a REALLY noticeable effect on me is "Stacker". If any of you have had it you'll know what I'm talking about, if not it's the Energy drink with the bee on the front. I would suggest this Energy Drink for those who have not felt any effects from the other one's.
What I have noticed for non-direct effect, is that most energy drinks will give me more energy for playing dance games.[/QUOTE]

I eat maybe a small piece of chocolate every 2-4 works. I don't chew gum or eat candy (maybe a tic tac 2 or 3 times a week). I'm not getting it anywhere else. I don't drink soda, drink some tea occasionally (not lately, I go in cycles of coffee or tea, not both), don't eat real junk food (baked tortilla chips, granola cereal and rice cakes are my snacks) etc. My whole family has weight problems except me, but I gain weight at the drop of a hat so I'm very careful about what I eat. I eat twice a day, some form of pasta with tomato sauce (tortelini, penne, ravioli etc.) usually being one of the meals and the other also often pasta or some form of rice, pizza (the fancy kind that is much lower in fat and calories) etc. I sometimes have a granola bar (traditional oats, raisins etc. type) as a snack at school. I drink a lot of apple juice. Since my diet isn't very varied and I'm vegetarian I take a centrum general vitamin as well.

That's really the range of stuff I eat.
 
A couple of questions just out of curiousity. What is your Ethnic background? I'm guessing you have a slow metabolism and your ancestors may have come from a country such as Russia where being thick was neccessary and therefore thin was the exception rather than the rule. I was just giving Russia as an example btw.
Why don't you eat Baked Lays btw? They're terrific. Also I admire you pretty much for being a full on Vegetarian. I need to go that way to just keep my body clean of all the shit that's in all the junk products and otherwise because sometimes I feel like complete shit, bodywise. I think it has something to do with what I eat and what may be in my body at the present time.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']A couple of questions just out of curiousity. What is your Ethnic background? I'm guessing you have a slow metabolism and your ancestors may have come from a country such as Russia where being thick was neccessary and therefore thin was the exception rather than the rule. I was just giving Russia as an example btw.
Why don't you eat Baked Lays btw? They're terrific. Also I admire you pretty much for being a full on Vegetarian. I need to go that way to just keep my body clean of all the shit that's in all the junk products and otherwise because sometimes I feel like complete shit, bodywise. I think it has something to do with what I eat and what may be in my body at the present time.[/QUOTE]

I'm all over europe. I was never raised in a particular culture really, but there were polish elements to it and that's what I was called and my family identified with. My mothers parents were polish and german, but her father (german) moved from missouri since her mother told him he either moved to boston or they wouldn't get married. My father is mostly Irish (I think I'm technically more Irish than polish), but I've only known one person on that side of the family and they were married in. I've had no real contact with that side and my father has also had very little (all dead or unknown/forgotten). Due to the little contact I don't really know what else I am (just that I am other things). The only thing I know is that I have some french.

I'll eat baked lays, but I just don't have much interest in them. It's an ethical choice for me though, not a health reason. I reduced my diet to just shrimp, salmon and crab about a year and a half ago (cutting out chicken). About 3 or 4 months ago I went through a period of not eating those simply because I hadn't wanted them lately, and when I realized I hadn't been eating them (about 2 months ago), I figured I had been wanting to get rid of all meat and this seemed like an easy time to do it. It took about 6 or 7 years to do though, and the first thing I stopped eating was pork. I didn't intend to give up all meat until 3 or so years ago though.
 
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