Why the hatred towards video game collectors on CAG?

The thing is games is sought after like art collectors search for paintings.
True there is various version of these games and with each generation games get remade and trends die as will they revive.

In real life the Yoyo made a comeback and then died out again. The same could be said for RPG games which has died before and comeback and died out again. The diffrence between RPG games dying out is that the peers of those days will have a certian ideals toward a perfected game in sed gere while the peers of the next days will add on to those ideals and create a better feeling that may be hideous to the past generation. For example in the 90's there was so many things that advanced to there limit and creative was of the charts that people relished them. However I just say this now since I grewed up then and sought after that in terms of fiction. Now today my ideals out class those newer and I feel sicken by certain addition while it is looked up as perfection.

Personaly emulation is a good thing. Emulation allows people to play games which they would probably give a arm and a leg for. Also emulation is free and there is no harm being done other then to the negative %20 of sales that was missed that could have gave many recent games out there a chance to thrive.
However as a collector once you have played the game with altered text or emulated the game a couple of times and you finally get the game playing the game will feel like a waste of time and all you have is a piece of techno junk staring you in the face.
 
[quote name='espy605']

The [esteemed] collector collects things because he loves them, not because of potential financial gain. He is a collector, the keyword being collect. He collects them and holds onto them, and has [no] real plans to benefit from them financially. He collects them to have them, not to sell them.

On this site, we have speculators. People who buy things and keep them sealed with the explicit purpose of reselling them later in the hopes they go up in price (e.g. FFXII LE thread). They don't hide this fact at all. The motivation is completely financial.

The reason why they're hated on this particular site is because this is a site devoted to buying video games as cheaply as possible. Speculators disguised as collectors are here to make money.[/QUOTE]

well said......thank you.

(G1) real/true collectors, (game players with cash, RAGs), still desire new factory sealed games to purchase given the option (will settle for used if only choice); however, the difference is we do not hesitate to open them and play it. we prefer to keep our collections for personal reasons, not financial gain. we buy one copy, unless two is required for multi-players. also, we do not despise reprints. (a Mona Lisa reprint....well, you know already) (second example: '04 Accord vs. '05 Accord, we cares?) (if they rebuilt the DeLorean today, I'd buy one. original still preferred.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Lorean_DMC-12

(G2) speculators/day traders/fat-wallet people have entirely different goals and tactics. this is not my concern, unless it completely affects my ability to even obtain one copy of a game to own and play.

so, on this site, we have all sorts of people from all walks of life. The above two, plus (G3) game players just without a lot of cash to throw around (age, youth, mortgage, or any reason). there will be conflicts. fortunately, group 1 and group 3 still share a common interest. unfortunately, you cannot ban G2 despite how undesirable their behavior appears. they serve a purpose, and often supply G1. they are hated, here, because G2's supply is often out of reach of G3.

G1's and G3's may think of getting into the G2 arena. everyone's gotta eat right? but the distinction here is G2 often perform their functions much better than the other two groups; desire/drive/knowledge/access. I'm sure some have made the transition, while others find it too time consuming or unsuccessful.

let it be. hate only eats you away. (no pun intended)
 
[quote name='schuerm26']You are 100% wrong about this. Look at Final Fantasy VII. There were a billion of those games made. Look how much it fetches brand new. Will Disgaea be worth $400? Who knows, maybe, maybe not. Very few games ever get that high. That's not to say it isnt going to be worth a lot of money though.[/quote]

I'm a 100% right about this. Final Fantasy VII is a temporary price hike caused by the release of the new game and the film. Give it a year and it will be back to its old price of $20-30 and everyone that paid $75 for a copy on Ebay will be crying. There are millions of copies of that game in print...it is probably the most common PSX game there is. A year ago my local EB/Gamestop stores couldn't move their copies at $20 each...they all had about 5 copies each of the game. My local TRU had about 50 sealed copies of the Greatest Hits version that they couldn't move at $9.98. Did the game get better since then or did demand temporarily jump because of the new spinoff game and DVD? Use a little common sense to find the answer.

I come from a background in collectibles. I make my living knowing what is and isn't a good investment. I own 4 comic book/collectible stores here in Indianapolis. Comic books from the 1980s to the present are basically worthless. Why? Because no one throws old comic books away after reading them anymore, they put them in a mylar bag and store them in acid free boxes in their closet. Every comic book produced from 1980 to the present is in ready supply in mint condition. There are only a few books where demand is larger than supply, such as Hulk #181 (first appearance of Wolverine), X-Men #94 (first new X-Men), and Giant Size X-Men #1 (first new X-Men outside the ongoing series). Those prices will probably see a drop after the X-Men drop out of mainstream pop culture (i.e. no more new X-Men films) as they've all doubled or tripled in value since the first X-Men movie came out.

So while sealed NES games may be a good long-term investment (assuming the acid-filled plastic doesn't slowly disintegrate or eat through the cardboard boxes over time, which it probably will), and even sealed PSX games might be a decent investment with time (there were a ton of collectors saving them but nowhere near the number that are now saving back PS2 games a decade later), current generation stuff (Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and the new consoles) will probably never see insane prices for common sealed games like Zelda Windwaker or Final Fantasy X the way we do for sealed NES Zelda and sealed NES Final Fantasy.
 
i partly agree with you, Mospeada_21. however, i feel that many "real/true" collectors (of anything) are aware of the value of their collections, do collect sealed/new items, and concede the possibility of selling parts of their collections in the future. after all, people don't collect in a vacuum. interests change, hobbies change, and anyone's financial future is uncertain. taking all of that into consideration, i don't think it's fair to assume that all "true/real" collectors collect purely "for personal reasons, not financial gain".

an example: a Star Wars action-figure collector. most of us know someone who enjoys the SW series/franchise and collects tons of the figures, regardless of value, and purely for fun. however, those same people do not necessarily open and play with the figures, and, in fact, would probably scoff if you suggested the idea. they're not necessarily trying to avoid decreasing the value of their collection -- they may just not want to play with the toys. no one balks at this, it's generally acceptable. another person may collect rare vinyl, of old/obscure bands -- they have no interest in the monetary value of the records, they simply want to keep a piece of history in perfect condition. preservation is a big part of collecting, for lots of people, and it has nothing to do with money.

i have been collecting video games for about 8 years now -- i started by trying to obtain all of my old NES and Genesis games from my childhood, and things just kind of snowballed from there. i don't collect games based purely on their value. some games i enjoy playing. some i collect merely because i dig the box art, though the games themselves may be horrendous. BUT -- i sometimes decide i've had a game in my collection that is worth some money, and i'm willing to sell it. that doesn't make me a "speculator". i am a "true collector" in that i can appreciate all aspects of game collecting: sentimental reasons, preservation, fun, relative low cost, variety, etc.... and to put some money back in my pocket now and again. heck, that's how i get more money to collect more games!!!
 
[quote name='schuerm26']Found this article:

King of Fighters 2002 2003 looks to be next. This is getting to the point of ridiculousness. That game is $17 at Gamestop and can still be found new. You can still get it from G-stop website.

As for MGS2 Substance see above minus the new copy part and change the price to 24.99. These games they are doing now aren't even hard to find or expensive.

http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/2006/09/18/more-reprints-from-game-quest-direct/

I wonder if they ever stop to think that maybe there isn't demand for these games and that's why they didn't sell well or are scarce? How much demand really is there for King of Fighters 2002 and 2003?

I know it seems like there is a ton of demand for ZOE 2nd Runner on this site, but face it, lots of the people on here are more than your avg. gamer. Is there really that much demand for it when you look at everyone who buys games? I wouldn't think so.[/QUOTE]


my guess-- they thought the release of KOF2006 would spur more demand for 2002/2003, which didn't get a large print run on the PS2. Sorry GQD, the couple hundred people who wanted it will buy it and you'll probably be sitting on the last few hundred for years to come :roll:

same goes for ZoE: 2nd Runner...that's just random. It was starting to get rare when they reprinted it. Had they waited a year or two, maybe demand would've been great enough.


I'll be surprised if they get the rights to reprint an MGS game. That would seem like something that Konami would want to hold on to for a true re-release a couple years down the line.
 
[quote name='tiredfornow']I just dont like when people hear theres a bunch of copies of a rare game somewhere for cheap, then ONE person buys all 10 of them. that's pretty lame. get a job? :/[/quote]
That could be there job cause they can easily Sell the 9 games for big bucks.

I'll admit i'm a collector but collecting is also good for the industry cause just think of If you bought say ummmmmm, Chrono trigger for $20 before it came rare and you kept on to it and played it but got bored of it you would get alot of money for it and you would be alot happier because you would have more money :bouncy: to buy more games or what ever it is you would buy with the extra money.

There are only a few games i wouldnt sell from my collection my Ghoul's n ghosts games nearly have every version ever missing 2 from the collection and My In the hunt collection

[quote name='schuerm26']You are 100% wrong about this. Look at Final Fantasy VII. There were a billion of those games made. Look how much it fetches brand new. Will Disgaea be worth $400? Who knows, maybe, maybe not. Very few games ever get that high. That's not to say it isnt going to be worth a lot of money though.[/quote]
The reason why Final fantasy 7 is rare is a few reason's first off the price is because of the Perfect score that fumitsu gave in there review of FF12 and because Final fantasy fans only know that one game so retailers bump up the price.

Oh and King of fighters 2002/2003 over in England you could pick up for about $5 New on ps2

quote=RegalSin2020;2276096]The thing is games is sought after like art collectors search for paintings.
True there is various version of these games and with each generation games get remade and trends die as will they revive. just have to say that is so true about it's the Same as Art collecting but for some reason Art collectors don't get in arguments about it lol
 
The reason why Final fantasy 7 is rare is a few reason's first off the price is because of the Perfect score that fumitsu gave in there review of FF12 and because Final fantasy fans only know that one game so retailers bump up the price.

Oh and King of fighters 2002/2003 over in England you could pick up for about $5 New on ps2
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the reason why Final Fantasy VII is expensive (not rare) is not because of a Famitsu review for 12. it's because of the U.S. Advent Children release, coupled with the fact that you can't find VII in stores anymore.
 
In the United kingdom my store has about 19 sealed copies of that game and its cause of Famitsu's score plus final fantasy is a crap rpg.
 
ah well in the U.S., rarity and prices aren't usually dictated by reviews in japan..as far as I know. the prices here went up right around the advent children release.
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I don't hate video game collectors, I just don't understand them. Actually, I don't understand why anyone would collect anything. I guess there must be some sort of personal satisfaction to the collector to be able to stare at a bunch of stuff but it seems silly to me.
 
I don't understand why someone would collect something that is pulled out of its element to be collected. Paintings are meant to be collected. Stamps are meant to be used, but collecting them is no diservice to anyone else. Collecting comics is okay, since you can most likely find a scan of it or some form of synopsis online if you're totally desperate to find out what happened in Such And Such #1.

But videogames... I mean, they're meant to played. Why collect them, sealed and untouched? The only motivation I can see is money.
 
I've only read through the first page of topics, but I think you some of you are completely wrong.

Claiming that video games are for playing is obvious. But saying they are solely for playing and not for anything else is just ignorant. If someone wants to buy a game and sleep with it every night for the rest of their life, why not let them? The company makes money and the consumer is happy. So why not let us collect video games?
 
Is there a rule somewhere that says collectors cannot play the games they collect? Without bringing up peoples' names who may or may not want to be involved in the argument, there are people who have near-complete DS collections, who, amazingly, have beaten or at least played most of them.
 
So people basically want to put a "born on date" on their games to distinguish different printings of each game and retain their collectible value? Why not just put serial numbers on games so collectors can argue that #1 is so much more rare than the #20 game? I'm for game collecting as in keeping as many games you want, or acquiring everything you like, not buying sealed copies of games just to display on your shelf. I honestly think that's the dumbest idea ever, having sealed copies of the same game sitting around doesn't impress anyone. It's not a very good investment really. How much are you going to make if you ever sell your 10 sealed copies of Disgaea, maybe $1000? Sure that's a great profit and all, if you're 12.
 
I made a thread for this but it looks like Gotcha Force for the Gamecube was reprinted. It is at every Gamestop around me now with more on the way. I looked at GQD site and they don't have it though, so maybe Capcom reprinted it? Just a warning for someone who sees it and thinks they are getting a rare one.
 
[quote name='icecubedx5']My god...your right.

*Goes off to tear off factory sealed Panzer Dragoon Saga, Suikoden II, Final Fantasy VII and Valkyrie Profile black labels.*[/QUOTE]

He didn't mean it like that...

SWEET, SWEET, PROFIT...GONE!!!
 
[quote name='lionheart4life']So people basically want to put a "born on date" on their games to distinguish different printings of each game and retain their collectible value? Why not just put serial numbers on games so collectors can argue that #1 is so much more rare than the #20 game? I'm for game collecting as in keeping as many games you want, or acquiring everything you like, not buying sealed copies of games just to display on your shelf. I honestly think that's the dumbest idea ever, having sealed copies of the same game sitting around doesn't impress anyone. It's not a very good investment really. How much are you going to make if you ever sell your 10 sealed copies of Disgaea, maybe $1000? Sure that's a great profit and all, if you're 12.[/quote]

well, i'm 27, i make plenty of money, own my own house, and $1000 sounds pretty good to me. but that's beside the point. owning sealed games doesn't make any sense to you, or impress you, but obviously it impresses someone, since we're having this discussion. i really don't understand the hostility. do you get upset when people collect new and unread comic books, or Hot Wheels, or action figures? games can be enjoyed and appreciated in more ways than just playing them, as has been clearly evidenced in this thread.

certain video games can make great investments. but just like everything, they may not be very stable investments.
 
[quote name='lionheart4life']So people basically want to put a "born on date" on their games to distinguish different printings of each game and retain their collectible value? Why not just put serial numbers on games so collectors can argue that #1 is so much more rare than the #20 game? I'm for game collecting as in keeping as many games you want, or acquiring everything you like, not buying sealed copies of games just to display on your shelf. I honestly think that's the dumbest idea ever, having sealed copies of the same game sitting around doesn't impress anyone. It's not a very good investment really. How much are you going to make if you ever sell your 10 sealed copies of Disgaea, maybe $1000? Sure that's a great profit and all, if you're 12.[/QUOTE]

Think of it this way:

If you had a mint copy of Action Comics #1 you were about to sell to someone and Johnny Random shows up with a $3 reprint that kills your sale how would you feel?

Almost all the various things that people collect have some sort of distinction between the originals and later copies: Comics - 1st printings, Cards - 1st editions, DVDs - Limited/Collector's editions, Action Figures - different packaging, etc. So why not games?

Despite my example about Action Comics, I don't buy my games to resell them. I buy 'em to play and simply because I enjoy collecting. Its FUN.
The only sealed games I have are the ones at my house in the States simply b/c I haven't been home to open them yet.

On the other hand, a lot of people DO buy games to resell, and that's fine as long as they don't HOARD games. I have a full time job and, from the sound of it, so do you so we don't have to worry about paying for OUR games. But some younger people DON'T work and maybe their parents won't let them get a job/buy them new games, so buying and re-selling is a valid way for them to make money. Am I wrong?

And if you don't think $1000 is a lot of money, then you don't belong on CAG, haha! ;P

($1000 = 20+ games!)
 
[quote name='Gameboy415'] But some younger people DON'T work and maybe their parents won't let them get a job/buy them new games, so buying and re-selling is a valid way for them to make money. Am I wrong?[/quote]

No you're not. This is the way I get money for games. I found a sealed copy of Zone of The Enders -The 2nd Runner for ps2. Resold it on ebay earnt a little money but not much. I also bought a Nes and a lot of games for $ 70 of ebay.co.uk
I found out that the NES wasn't as fun as when i was 5 years old, I am now 16. Resold it here in Norway, Europe for $100:D

I don't buy games to keep them sealed, but I am extremley careful when I am handling my games. No body else than me gets to touch the cases. I keep the game cd\dvd's in a cd\dvd wallet thingy. Because the makes small chips in the inner circle(hole) of the cd\dvd. I also hate when my friend starts to tocuh my games just to annoy me:bomb:
 
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