Wii 2007: Slim Pickins?
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[quote name='jah2004']Lilboo, how are Sneak King and Big Bumpin? Sneak King looks hilarious but is there much to it?[/QUOTE]
It's creepy, and it's OK. It's a $4 game. So it is what it is. It's actually quite long and tedious.
Big Bumpin is OK. I really need to play these 2 more.. I've been playing Wii way too much
It's creepy, and it's OK. It's a $4 game. So it is what it is. It's actually quite long and tedious.
Big Bumpin is OK. I really need to play these 2 more.. I've been playing Wii way too much
My biggest issue with Wii 2007 is that we really only have a good idea on the first party titles. I think a lot of developers were caught off guard by how the system was received and have had to make changes. In development time that's a long time. I think we will see more and more 3rd party titles being announced soon. I recall reading a report that Sega has moved focus to the Wii and is moving resources from PS3/360 development. That's big news, but it takes a lot of time to see that make a difference.
[quote name='rickonker']I never got a Gamecube and I hate Super Smash Bros, so I share your concern. I'm hoping Ubisoft continues to support the Wii. I think that will depend partly on how well Far Cry: Vengeance does. Hopefully that will be a good game.[/QUOTE]
I totally understand your concern. The Wii's one first party fighting game kills all the variety of the system. Thankfully the 360 has a huge variety of great games like Gears of War, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty 2/3, Rainbow Six Vegas, F.E.A.R., and um Oblivion. The PS3 looks to match that variety with such hits (potential and current) as Resistence, Metal Gear Solid 4, Rainbow Six Vegas, Call of Duty 3, F.E.A.R, and um... Oblivion.
I totally understand your concern. The Wii's one first party fighting game kills all the variety of the system. Thankfully the 360 has a huge variety of great games like Gears of War, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty 2/3, Rainbow Six Vegas, F.E.A.R., and um Oblivion. The PS3 looks to match that variety with such hits (potential and current) as Resistence, Metal Gear Solid 4, Rainbow Six Vegas, Call of Duty 3, F.E.A.R, and um... Oblivion.
jollydwarf
CAGiversary!
I think the OP's point wasn't that there will be a post-launch lull but rather that the post-launch lull will be worse than usual because 3rd party software developers seem to be merely porting games over to the Wii from the other systems with goofy controls. The first party games seem to be the only games that are handling the Wii control scheme correctly and they may end up being far off.
Pretty much. What I'm saying is that, as you mentioned, I don't see the "lull" just being for the first 2-3 months of '07, but more or less the whole year. A lot of users are mentioning a lot of games and release dates that seem to demonstrate that these people are considerably more optimistic than I can ever be. (Animal Crossing next year? Please.)
Going by retail sites like ebgames.com that like to err heavily on the 'best-case scenario' side (i.e. con people into preorders), there's not much listed currently to begin with, forget about those highly-implausible tentative release dates. Does anyone really expect the Resident Evil game to hit before early '08? Am I the only one who thinks that one of the 'big three' (Metroid, Galaxy, Brawl)* is going to slip out of 2007?
The reason this concerns me is not because I'm the "I Need a Game a Week" guy, but because I'm afraid a really slow year can kill the current momentum and turn the thing into not just the next Gamecube, but the next PSP. That's right, I said it. But regardless of how 'offensive' that correlation may be to some, it's not too hard to see the vast majority of people moving on/not picking one up next year when there's next to no games for it. When this happens, the third-party support will most likely go from weak to nonexistent. Don't pretend like that wouldn't hurt in a major way.
The 360 lull was tolerable because we knew that there were dozens of officially announced games already in the development pipeline just after (actually before) its launch. We don't really have that same promise with the Wii. This isn't the handheld market, so therefore the next 12 months are going to be critical for Nintendo, which means 2007 needs to get the mainstream market's attention through not only innovative titles, but more than a handful of them.
*--My pick is on Super Smash Bros., maybe because of the Wi-Fi implementation. Just a hunch.
EDIT: furyk, your point is somewhat valid and noted, but is also kind of cheap.
Slim pickins my ass.
Well, we'll just see how many of those games hit in '07, and I REALLY don't want the Wii to rely on dolled-up DS 'port ups' as software crutches. This is where the Nintendonuts and I part ways.
Pretty much. What I'm saying is that, as you mentioned, I don't see the "lull" just being for the first 2-3 months of '07, but more or less the whole year. A lot of users are mentioning a lot of games and release dates that seem to demonstrate that these people are considerably more optimistic than I can ever be. (Animal Crossing next year? Please.)
Going by retail sites like ebgames.com that like to err heavily on the 'best-case scenario' side (i.e. con people into preorders), there's not much listed currently to begin with, forget about those highly-implausible tentative release dates. Does anyone really expect the Resident Evil game to hit before early '08? Am I the only one who thinks that one of the 'big three' (Metroid, Galaxy, Brawl)* is going to slip out of 2007?
The reason this concerns me is not because I'm the "I Need a Game a Week" guy, but because I'm afraid a really slow year can kill the current momentum and turn the thing into not just the next Gamecube, but the next PSP. That's right, I said it. But regardless of how 'offensive' that correlation may be to some, it's not too hard to see the vast majority of people moving on/not picking one up next year when there's next to no games for it. When this happens, the third-party support will most likely go from weak to nonexistent. Don't pretend like that wouldn't hurt in a major way.
The 360 lull was tolerable because we knew that there were dozens of officially announced games already in the development pipeline just after (actually before) its launch. We don't really have that same promise with the Wii. This isn't the handheld market, so therefore the next 12 months are going to be critical for Nintendo, which means 2007 needs to get the mainstream market's attention through not only innovative titles, but more than a handful of them.
*--My pick is on Super Smash Bros., maybe because of the Wi-Fi implementation. Just a hunch.
EDIT: furyk, your point is somewhat valid and noted, but is also kind of cheap.
Slim pickins my ass.
Well, we'll just see how many of those games hit in '07, and I REALLY don't want the Wii to rely on dolled-up DS 'port ups' as software crutches. This is where the Nintendonuts and I part ways.
MisterModest
CAGiversary!
[quote name='Vegan']HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA yeah right[/quote]
Yeah, I forgot to change that. Late 2007/early 2008 for Sadness.
Yeah, I forgot to change that. Late 2007/early 2008 for Sadness.
Zen Davis
Banned
The fact is that this thread is in and of itself bullshit. Between the virtual console and Metal Slug Anthology, Elebits, DK Bongo Blast, One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, Battalion Wars 2, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Cooking Mama: Cook Off, Soul Calibur 4, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy, Wii Play, Animal Crossing Wii, Forever Blue, Project Hammer, Mario Strikers Charged, Fire Emblem, Dragon Quest Swords, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, there is enough interesting and high-potential gaming material coming out to keep everyone quite content in the coming months. Additionally, is everyone so blind to think that Nintendo is not going to announce more new games at the next E3 or whatever the hell it's not called? That 2007 list in more incomplete than anything. Looking at how much right 3rd parties have got with just the launch of the Wii, nobody should have any reservations or doubts about the quantity or quality of games that will be available for play on the system throughout 2007. Nintendo pretty much has everything in the bag thus far, and it's not just the fanboy in me talking. Lastly, did everyone neglect to mention that new games are being developed for release on the virtual console? There aren't only going to be new franchises headed to your local EB or Gamestop. New titles are being developed for that as we speak and I'll guarantee that when Nintendo goes fully online in 2007, a bunch of those virtual console specific games will hit the market as well and everyone will be shitting their pants about that. Hold on tight kiddies, this ride has just begun. One qualm though. Does anyone else think that the Wii controller is going to be redone sometime next year so that they can put a version out that doesn't use AA batteries?
Zen Davis
Banned
The fact is that this thread is in and of itself bullshit. Between the virtual console and Metal Slug Anthology, Elebits, DK Bongo Blast, One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, Battalion Wars 2, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Cooking Mama: Cook Off, Soul Calibur 4, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy, Wii Play, Animal Crossing Wii, Forever Blue, Project Hammer, Mario Strikers Charged, Fire Emblem, Dragon Quest Swords, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, there is enough interesting and high-potential gaming material coming out to keep everyone quite content in the coming months. Additionally, is everyone so blind to think that Nintendo is not going to announce more new games at the next E3 or whatever the hell it's not called? That 2007 list in more incomplete than anything. Looking at how much right 3rd parties have got with just the launch of the Wii, nobody should have any reservations or doubts about the quantity or quality of games that will be available for play on the system throughout 2007. Nintendo pretty much has everything in the bag thus far, and it's not just the fanboy in me talking. Lastly, did everyone neglect to mention that new games are being developed for release on the virtual console? There aren't only going to be new franchises headed to your local EB or Gamestop. New titles are being developed for that as we speak and I'll guarantee that when Nintendo goes fully online in 2007, a bunch of those virtual console specific games will hit the market as well and everyone will be shitting their pants about that. Hold on tight kiddies, this ride has just begun. One qualm though. Does anyone else think that the Wii controller is going to be redone sometime next year so that they can put a version out that doesn't use AA batteries? __________________
Zen Davis
Banned
The fact is that this thread is in and of itself bullshit. Between the virtual console and Metal Slug Anthology, Elebits, DK Bongo Blast, One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, One Piece: Unlimited Adventure, Battalion Wars 2, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Cooking Mama: Cook Off, Soul Calibur 4, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Super Mario Galaxy, Wii Play, Animal Crossing Wii, Forever Blue, Project Hammer, Mario Strikers Charged, Fire Emblem, Dragon Quest Swords, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl, there is enough interesting and high-potential gaming material coming out to keep everyone quite content in the coming months.
Additionally, is everyone so blind to think that Nintendo is not going to announce more new games at the next E3 or whatever the hell it's not called? That 2007 list in more incomplete than anything. Looking at how much right 3rd parties have got with just the launch of the Wii, nobody should have any reservations or doubts about the quantity or quality of games that will be available for play on the system throughout 2007. Nintendo pretty much has everything in the bag thus far, and it's not just the fanboy in me talking. Last, did everyone neglect to mention that new games are being developed for release on the virtual console?
One qualm though. Does anyone else think that the Wii controller is going to be redone sometime next year so that they can put a version out that doesn't use AA batteries?
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Additionally, is everyone so blind to think that Nintendo is not going to announce more new games at the next E3 or whatever the hell it's not called? That 2007 list in more incomplete than anything. Looking at how much right 3rd parties have got with just the launch of the Wii, nobody should have any reservations or doubts about the quantity or quality of games that will be available for play on the system throughout 2007. Nintendo pretty much has everything in the bag thus far, and it's not just the fanboy in me talking. Last, did everyone neglect to mention that new games are being developed for release on the virtual console?
One qualm though. Does anyone else think that the Wii controller is going to be redone sometime next year so that they can put a version out that doesn't use AA batteries?
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jollydwarf
CAGiversary!
and it's not just the fanboy in me talking.
Well at least you're honest about the fact that he's very much in you. I'm sorry, though, putting everything in bold text and listing every game you can think of doesn't work here. And no, not everything from third parties (or Nintendo, for that matter) was "right" during launch. Judging by your post and the likelihood that even Reggie would get dizzy from its spin, I can see there will be no constructive dialogue with you, so I'm hitting "Eject" right now.
Well at least you're honest about the fact that he's very much in you. I'm sorry, though, putting everything in bold text and listing every game you can think of doesn't work here. And no, not everything from third parties (or Nintendo, for that matter) was "right" during launch. Judging by your post and the likelihood that even Reggie would get dizzy from its spin, I can see there will be no constructive dialogue with you, so I'm hitting "Eject" right now.
[quote name='jollydwarf']
Slim pickins my ass.
Well, we'll just see how many of those games hit in '07, and I REALLY don't want the Wii to rely on dolled-up DS 'port ups' as software crutches. This is where the Nintendonuts and I part ways.[/QUOTE]
Because MP3, SSBB, Mario Galaxy, and Animal Crossing are dolled-up DS ports? Oh wait, they aren't.
Slim pickins my ass.
Well, we'll just see how many of those games hit in '07, and I REALLY don't want the Wii to rely on dolled-up DS 'port ups' as software crutches. This is where the Nintendonuts and I part ways.[/QUOTE]
Because MP3, SSBB, Mario Galaxy, and Animal Crossing are dolled-up DS ports? Oh wait, they aren't.
I bought my Wii on launch day, but I can't play it until Christmas (it's a gift). Being caught up in the excitement of launch and being unable to play the Wii, I decided to channel my enthusiasm by reading about the Wii and came upon its 2007 release list. After scanning the list, I had two observations: there aren't many third-party games, and there are some heavy-hitting first-party games--though, like the OP, I'd be very surprised if half of those actually make it out next year. Nintendo has a habit of delaying their big first-party games.
The apparent lack of games in 2007 worried me, not because I need more than one game every couple of months--I have a hefty backlog to fill in the gaps--but because a lack of a diverse and growing library can cause system sales to slow, which in turn results in less third-party support. For a moment, I almost...almost had second thoughts about the Wii. Then, I remembered the DS.
Like others have mentioned, the DS had a slow start for most of the first year. It wasn't until late 2005 that the DS really started to build momentum. 2006 has been a great year for the DS. I didn't get my DS until Christmas 2005, and I already have 18 games for it; the DS games release list now is more than I can keep up with, in stark contrast to the late 2004/early-mid 2005 release list. The DS, in fact, is quickly moving its way toward the top of my favorite systems of all time list.
Though the 2007 release list looks a little slim right now, I have full confidence that the Wii will see great software support from both Nintendo and third parties all in due time. I expect that there are more than a few third-party games that will be released next year that are currently unannounced. If not, there's always 2008.
The apparent lack of games in 2007 worried me, not because I need more than one game every couple of months--I have a hefty backlog to fill in the gaps--but because a lack of a diverse and growing library can cause system sales to slow, which in turn results in less third-party support. For a moment, I almost...almost had second thoughts about the Wii. Then, I remembered the DS.
Like others have mentioned, the DS had a slow start for most of the first year. It wasn't until late 2005 that the DS really started to build momentum. 2006 has been a great year for the DS. I didn't get my DS until Christmas 2005, and I already have 18 games for it; the DS games release list now is more than I can keep up with, in stark contrast to the late 2004/early-mid 2005 release list. The DS, in fact, is quickly moving its way toward the top of my favorite systems of all time list.
Though the 2007 release list looks a little slim right now, I have full confidence that the Wii will see great software support from both Nintendo and third parties all in due time. I expect that there are more than a few third-party games that will be released next year that are currently unannounced. If not, there's always 2008.
Just so people don't start thinking that everything available for purchase in 07 is what is listed on EB's site, the new TMNT game (based on the movie) will be out in March for Wii, GC, GBA, and DS.
http://gonintendo.com/?p=9362
http://gonintendo.com/?p=9362
[quote name='furyk']I totally understand your concern. The Wii's one first party fighting game kills all the variety of the system. Thankfully the 360 has a huge variety of great games like Gears of War, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty 2/3, Rainbow Six Vegas, F.E.A.R., and um Oblivion. The PS3 looks to match that variety with such hits (potential and current) as Resistence, Metal Gear Solid 4, Rainbow Six Vegas, Call of Duty 3, F.E.A.R, and um... Oblivion.[/quote]
Umm your missing a lot of titles coming out on the 360 and these are just unique to the system to my knowledge.
blue dragon
lost planet
crackdown
army of two
Kane and lynch
bioshock
mass effect
too human
lost odyssey
halo 3
halo wars
alan wake
ones exlusive now on the 360 are
kameo
perfect dark zero
saints row
dead rising
DOA4
Viva Pinata(this is a game all nintendo lovers should love)
you can say the PS3 and the 360 are similar all you want but both are making an effort to differentiate themselves now. Really mostly what makes the nintendo systems so different in the long haul is their first party games though I am happy they've gotten some fresh blood with stuff like trama center and such being developed by third parties. I think you guys are a little aggressive toward the other systems.
I mean I love the idea of the Wii and I look foward to owning one when finances allow but I wouldnt go so far as to discount the other systems as wholey unorginal. Now whether or not their lineup appeals to "you" is another matter but many of us find a good selection of titles to our liking on the other systems as well.
P.S. I mostly pointed out the 360 since its the one I own right now and seems to be the one making the most strides to make itself a solid console for more than just "halo" as its been seen as in the past.
Umm your missing a lot of titles coming out on the 360 and these are just unique to the system to my knowledge.
blue dragon
lost planet
crackdown
army of two
Kane and lynch
bioshock
mass effect
too human
lost odyssey
halo 3
halo wars
alan wake
ones exlusive now on the 360 are
kameo
perfect dark zero
saints row
dead rising
DOA4
Viva Pinata(this is a game all nintendo lovers should love)
you can say the PS3 and the 360 are similar all you want but both are making an effort to differentiate themselves now. Really mostly what makes the nintendo systems so different in the long haul is their first party games though I am happy they've gotten some fresh blood with stuff like trama center and such being developed by third parties. I think you guys are a little aggressive toward the other systems.
I mean I love the idea of the Wii and I look foward to owning one when finances allow but I wouldnt go so far as to discount the other systems as wholey unorginal. Now whether or not their lineup appeals to "you" is another matter but many of us find a good selection of titles to our liking on the other systems as well.
P.S. I mostly pointed out the 360 since its the one I own right now and seems to be the one making the most strides to make itself a solid console for more than just "halo" as its been seen as in the past.
It shouldn't come as a shock to any experienced console gamer that systems go through a lack of varied software servicing every genre early on. It could be far worse. Recall that it took many months for the N64 software selection to reach two digits. The Wii is already well ahead of that.
If in doubt, simply don't don't buy the new machine yet. It isn't as though it's going to get more expensive and less available. It is up to Nintendo to satisfy your desires and you've no obligation to buy a day sooner than they can do that. Plenty of others will foist up their money and keep the enterprise going.
I suspect Nintendo is hoping a lot of Wii buyers were not Gamecube owners. The GameCube library will go a long way toward mitigating the lack of Wii-mote savvy games and the big spike in Player Choice title sales is nothing to sneeze at in terms of revenue.
It is entirely possible that much, even most, of the games to be released by the end of 2007 are are yet to be widely announced. That doesn't mean a flood of titles but it's very early yet and many companies are still unprepared to make a public commitment until they see how the existing product is received.
If in doubt, simply don't don't buy the new machine yet. It isn't as though it's going to get more expensive and less available. It is up to Nintendo to satisfy your desires and you've no obligation to buy a day sooner than they can do that. Plenty of others will foist up their money and keep the enterprise going.
I suspect Nintendo is hoping a lot of Wii buyers were not Gamecube owners. The GameCube library will go a long way toward mitigating the lack of Wii-mote savvy games and the big spike in Player Choice title sales is nothing to sneeze at in terms of revenue.
It is entirely possible that much, even most, of the games to be released by the end of 2007 are are yet to be widely announced. That doesn't mean a flood of titles but it's very early yet and many companies are still unprepared to make a public commitment until they see how the existing product is received.
[quote name='PyroGamer']As with the DS, I'm far more interested in what 3rd parties have in store. They are sure to be far more innovative and fun than anything Nintendo will put out.[/quote]
this is an interesting statement most people buy a nintendo for first party titles not the third party ones. I normally find nintendos first party titles to be far better IMO like I think most people who are nintendo fans do.
this is an interesting statement most people buy a nintendo for first party titles not the third party ones
. I normally find nintendos first party titles to be far better IMO like I think most people who are nintendo fans do.
Zen Davis
Banned
[quote name='jollydwarf'] and it's not just the fanboy in me talking.
Well at least you're honest about the fact that he's very much in you. I'm sorry, though, putting everything in bold text and listing every game you can think of doesn't work here. And no, not everything from third parties (or Nintendo, for that matter) was "right" during launch. Judging by your post and the likelihood that even Reggie would get dizzy from its spin, I can see there will be no constructive dialogue with you, so I'm hitting "Eject" right now.[/quote]
Then return your system and be gone. It's realy quite that simple. You already know what games you will and will not be getting and some people just err on the side of negativity for no good reason. You're doing just as much. I mean it's quite consise of you to tell me what works and what doesn't work here since I've been at this site for years. It's also quite thoughtlessly arrogant since other people have made the same point as me in how your thread is more about shit-starting then actual discussion.
The fact is, for a company that was as non-competition as it was last-gen, the Wii launch has solidified Nintendo as a worthy competitor this go 'round, and regardless of how Microsoft and Sony spin it, Nintendo has begun dealing out some massive damage through word of mouth. The proof is in the fact that the system is still selling out everywhere and most word of mouth (short of flying controllers), has been extremely positive. I have retorted with facts, you've retorted with arrogance and it makes no difference to me because in the end, I'm happy with my system and the games I've bought with it and that's all it really matter to me. If you're not, then sell it. I hear you can still turn a nice profit.
Well at least you're honest about the fact that he's very much in you. I'm sorry, though, putting everything in bold text and listing every game you can think of doesn't work here. And no, not everything from third parties (or Nintendo, for that matter) was "right" during launch. Judging by your post and the likelihood that even Reggie would get dizzy from its spin, I can see there will be no constructive dialogue with you, so I'm hitting "Eject" right now.[/quote]
Then return your system and be gone. It's realy quite that simple. You already know what games you will and will not be getting and some people just err on the side of negativity for no good reason. You're doing just as much. I mean it's quite consise of you to tell me what works and what doesn't work here since I've been at this site for years. It's also quite thoughtlessly arrogant since other people have made the same point as me in how your thread is more about shit-starting then actual discussion.
The fact is, for a company that was as non-competition as it was last-gen, the Wii launch has solidified Nintendo as a worthy competitor this go 'round, and regardless of how Microsoft and Sony spin it, Nintendo has begun dealing out some massive damage through word of mouth. The proof is in the fact that the system is still selling out everywhere and most word of mouth (short of flying controllers), has been extremely positive. I have retorted with facts, you've retorted with arrogance and it makes no difference to me because in the end, I'm happy with my system and the games I've bought with it and that's all it really matter to me. If you're not, then sell it. I hear you can still turn a nice profit.
[quote name='PhoenixT']Umm your missing a lot of titles coming out on the 360 and these are just unique to the system to my knowledge.[/QUOTE]
Umm you're missing the point. The person I quoted was complaining that he has no interest in Smash Bros and thus isn't interested in the Wii. I was making the point that a high proportion of good games for the 360/PS3 are first person shooters. If you're not into that genre, there's not a lot of variety so far.
Speaking of which...
[quote name='jollydwarf']Pretty much. What I'm saying is that, as you mentioned, I don't see the "lull" just being for the first 2-3 months of '07, but more or less the whole year. A lot of users are mentioning a lot of games and release dates that seem to demonstrate that these people are considerably more optimistic than I can ever be. (Animal Crossing next year? Please.) [/quote]
Again, what lull? The Wii already has more games coming out in December then the 360 does. If you want to talk about lulls, be a 360 owner who's not into FPSes. Beyond Elder Scrolls/GRAW (which were March), what else came out? Dead Rising and Saints Row in August. That's really the first time the 360 had something besides the mediocre launch line up and Elder Scrolls IV/GRAW. If 9 months isn't a lull (and two games a month is hardly breaking a lull), then I don't know what is.
[quote name='jollydwarf']Going by retail sites like ebgames.com that like to err heavily on the 'best-case scenario' side (i.e. con people into preorders), there's not much listed currently to begin with, forget about those highly-implausible tentative release dates. Does anyone really expect the Resident Evil game to hit before early '08? Am I the only one who thinks that one of the 'big three' (Metroid, Galaxy, Brawl)* is going to slip out of 2007? [/quote]
Even if one of the big three slips out, there's still much more to the line-up of Wii games in the secondary games. I seriously doubt anyone thinks something like Mario Strikers 2, Wario Ware, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Sonic, Batallion Wars 2, Wii Play or what not will see massive delays. Again, while the 360 game delays were minimal, what came out?
[quote name='jollydwarf']The reason this concerns me is not because I'm the "I Need a Game a Week" guy, but because I'm afraid a really slow year can kill the current momentum and turn the thing into not just the next Gamecube, but the next PSP. That's right, I said it. But regardless of how 'offensive' that correlation may be to some, it's not too hard to see the vast majority of people moving on/not picking one up next year when there's next to no games for it. When this happens, the third-party support will most likely go from weak to nonexistent. Don't pretend like that wouldn't hurt in a major way.[/quote]
I'm sure glad you enjoyed the none stop action of hot, truly classic games like Farcry, FIFA World Cup, 99 Nights, the Outfit, Rumble Roses XX, and Full Auto. March had GRAW and Elder Scrolls. August had Dead Rising and Saints Row. When you're trying to justify Battle for Middle Earth II and Prey as system sellers, let alone worthy purchases, there's a major problem there. Thankfully there's no double standard there.
[quote name='jollydwarf']The 360 lull was tolerable because we knew that there were dozens of officially announced games already in the development pipeline just after (actually before) its launch.[/quote]
Wait. Never mind. I guess that's why they never hit their 10 million 360s in houses before the PS3 launches.
[quote name='jollydwarf']We don't really have that same promise with the Wii. This isn't the handheld market, so therefore the next 12 months are going to be critical for Nintendo, which means 2007 needs to get the mainstream market's attention through not only innovative titles, but more than a handful of them.[/quote]
Oh so Super Mario Galaxy, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Batallion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3, Dragon Quest Swords, Wii Play, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and so on and so on aren't announced titles. Furthermore the 360 was sold on Halo 3 so why can't the Wii be sold on the inevitable Mario Kart/Kirby/Pokemon/lightsaber sequel that we all know is coming.
[quote name='jollydwarf']EDIT: furyk, your point is somewhat valid and noted, but is also kind of cheap.[/quote]
All's fair in love and trying to win the Internet.
[quote name='jollydwarf']Well, we'll just see how many of those games hit in '07, and I REALLY don't want the Wii to rely on dolled-up DS 'port ups' as software crutches. This is where the Nintendonuts and I part ways.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to the PC ports and sport game 'port-downs' we've seen on the 360 so far. As it stands now, year 1 for the 360 was launch, Oblivion, 6months of nothing, 360 becomes a console worth owning. Considering the Wii already has strong third party support, is cheaper and easier to develop for then the 360/PS3, and has the momentum of the DS to work with. Nintendo is the hottest company in gaming right now and many of the big names will try their hand at the Wii simply because it's the cheapest platform to develop for.
[quote name='PyroGamer']As with the DS, I'm far more interested in what 3rd parties have in store. They are sure to be far more innovative and fun than anything Nintendo will put out.[/QUOTE]
Um, Elite Beat Agents?
Umm you're missing the point. The person I quoted was complaining that he has no interest in Smash Bros and thus isn't interested in the Wii. I was making the point that a high proportion of good games for the 360/PS3 are first person shooters. If you're not into that genre, there's not a lot of variety so far.
Speaking of which...
[quote name='jollydwarf']Pretty much. What I'm saying is that, as you mentioned, I don't see the "lull" just being for the first 2-3 months of '07, but more or less the whole year. A lot of users are mentioning a lot of games and release dates that seem to demonstrate that these people are considerably more optimistic than I can ever be. (Animal Crossing next year? Please.) [/quote]
Again, what lull? The Wii already has more games coming out in December then the 360 does. If you want to talk about lulls, be a 360 owner who's not into FPSes. Beyond Elder Scrolls/GRAW (which were March), what else came out? Dead Rising and Saints Row in August. That's really the first time the 360 had something besides the mediocre launch line up and Elder Scrolls IV/GRAW. If 9 months isn't a lull (and two games a month is hardly breaking a lull), then I don't know what is.
[quote name='jollydwarf']Going by retail sites like ebgames.com that like to err heavily on the 'best-case scenario' side (i.e. con people into preorders), there's not much listed currently to begin with, forget about those highly-implausible tentative release dates. Does anyone really expect the Resident Evil game to hit before early '08? Am I the only one who thinks that one of the 'big three' (Metroid, Galaxy, Brawl)* is going to slip out of 2007? [/quote]
Even if one of the big three slips out, there's still much more to the line-up of Wii games in the secondary games. I seriously doubt anyone thinks something like Mario Strikers 2, Wario Ware, Pokemon Battle Revolution, Sonic, Batallion Wars 2, Wii Play or what not will see massive delays. Again, while the 360 game delays were minimal, what came out?
[quote name='jollydwarf']The reason this concerns me is not because I'm the "I Need a Game a Week" guy, but because I'm afraid a really slow year can kill the current momentum and turn the thing into not just the next Gamecube, but the next PSP. That's right, I said it. But regardless of how 'offensive' that correlation may be to some, it's not too hard to see the vast majority of people moving on/not picking one up next year when there's next to no games for it. When this happens, the third-party support will most likely go from weak to nonexistent. Don't pretend like that wouldn't hurt in a major way.[/quote]
I'm sure glad you enjoyed the none stop action of hot, truly classic games like Farcry, FIFA World Cup, 99 Nights, the Outfit, Rumble Roses XX, and Full Auto. March had GRAW and Elder Scrolls. August had Dead Rising and Saints Row. When you're trying to justify Battle for Middle Earth II and Prey as system sellers, let alone worthy purchases, there's a major problem there. Thankfully there's no double standard there.
[quote name='jollydwarf']The 360 lull was tolerable because we knew that there were dozens of officially announced games already in the development pipeline just after (actually before) its launch.[/quote]
Wait. Never mind. I guess that's why they never hit their 10 million 360s in houses before the PS3 launches.
[quote name='jollydwarf']We don't really have that same promise with the Wii. This isn't the handheld market, so therefore the next 12 months are going to be critical for Nintendo, which means 2007 needs to get the mainstream market's attention through not only innovative titles, but more than a handful of them.[/quote]
Oh so Super Mario Galaxy, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Batallion Wars 2, Metroid Prime 3, Dragon Quest Swords, Wii Play, Wario Ware Smooth Moves, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and so on and so on aren't announced titles. Furthermore the 360 was sold on Halo 3 so why can't the Wii be sold on the inevitable Mario Kart/Kirby/Pokemon/lightsaber sequel that we all know is coming.
[quote name='jollydwarf']EDIT: furyk, your point is somewhat valid and noted, but is also kind of cheap.[/quote]
All's fair in love and trying to win the Internet.
[quote name='jollydwarf']Well, we'll just see how many of those games hit in '07, and I REALLY don't want the Wii to rely on dolled-up DS 'port ups' as software crutches. This is where the Nintendonuts and I part ways.[/QUOTE]
As opposed to the PC ports and sport game 'port-downs' we've seen on the 360 so far. As it stands now, year 1 for the 360 was launch, Oblivion, 6months of nothing, 360 becomes a console worth owning. Considering the Wii already has strong third party support, is cheaper and easier to develop for then the 360/PS3, and has the momentum of the DS to work with. Nintendo is the hottest company in gaming right now and many of the big names will try their hand at the Wii simply because it's the cheapest platform to develop for.
[quote name='PyroGamer']As with the DS, I'm far more interested in what 3rd parties have in store. They are sure to be far more innovative and fun than anything Nintendo will put out.[/QUOTE]
Um, Elite Beat Agents?
jollydwarf
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Because MP3, SSBB, Mario Galaxy, and Animal Crossing are dolled-up DS ports? Oh wait, they aren't.
Keep bein' a smart ass, just like the rest of the loyalists. You know what games I'm talking about. As for people who insist on submitting their entire posts in bolded and/or colored text, this conversation...is over. Same goes for those who are on a clear mission to be divisive about the whole Wii60 concept (and probably have an ugly golf swing, hint, hint)*.
Actually, I'm pretty much done with this thread altogether. It started off as a reasonable discussion with all points of view pitching in, so thanks to all those users, but--of course--it had to get personal, because, you know, anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of the Fanboy.
*--Or is that too obscure?
Keep bein' a smart ass, just like the rest of the loyalists. You know what games I'm talking about. As for people who insist on submitting their entire posts in bolded and/or colored text, this conversation...is over. Same goes for those who are on a clear mission to be divisive about the whole Wii60 concept (and probably have an ugly golf swing, hint, hint)*.
Actually, I'm pretty much done with this thread altogether. It started off as a reasonable discussion with all points of view pitching in, so thanks to all those users, but--of course--it had to get personal, because, you know, anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of the Fanboy.
*--Or is that too obscure?
furyk I see your point about FPS's on the consoles but lets be honest people LOVE FPS's. I personally hated them myself for the longest time especially after Doom 2 god I hated that game 30 lvls of crap to enter in a cheat to finally beat it and get the "worst ending for a game ever". I can also see your point that the 360 has had more of those types than most other titles but thats most the systems out on the market really. I suspect once people figure out a solid control scheme for FPS's on the Wii you will see an absolute ton of them coming out on this console as well. You already have red steel and Call of Duty 3 for the system with farcry on the way if its not already out. I imagine there will be a ton more if the system picks up speed like people think its going to.
Like it nor not you picked the system that has the best potential for beating out a PC for controls in the FPS market. Oddly I find that ironic given your hated for the genre but fortunatly it will always have enough of the other titles to keep you occupied as well.
Honestly I see the OP point that there isnt a ton listed coming out on the system next year. They really havent shown much announced on any of the main sites like EBgames etc to show a strong push after the intial launch for games which is often times expected but it would be better for nintendo to get some more titles out the door and into the gamers hands even though most of you will be happy with Wii sports and Zelda for a long long time. Its all well and good to have longevity in games but you need sales to make a console work.
If people keep playing the same games and have nothing new to play then the systems sales will start to slack off and developers will pull out. This year will be especially difficult because you have one already established system in the 360 and the PS3 working off its own rabid fanbase starting to pick up more speed as consoles become more readily available. Nintendo in this case really needs to come out of the gate strong and start putting pressure on the other two to realy pull ahead and win this thing. Right now everyones amazed by Wii Sports and the other titles but if they have a long drought like they did at the N64 launch people are going to start going "wheres the games for this thing." and migrate to other consoles that get games out more regularly.
Like it nor not you picked the system that has the best potential for beating out a PC for controls in the FPS market. Oddly I find that ironic given your hated for the genre but fortunatly it will always have enough of the other titles to keep you occupied as well.
Honestly I see the OP point that there isnt a ton listed coming out on the system next year. They really havent shown much announced on any of the main sites like EBgames etc to show a strong push after the intial launch for games which is often times expected but it would be better for nintendo to get some more titles out the door and into the gamers hands even though most of you will be happy with Wii sports and Zelda for a long long time. Its all well and good to have longevity in games but you need sales to make a console work.
If people keep playing the same games and have nothing new to play then the systems sales will start to slack off and developers will pull out. This year will be especially difficult because you have one already established system in the 360 and the PS3 working off its own rabid fanbase starting to pick up more speed as consoles become more readily available. Nintendo in this case really needs to come out of the gate strong and start putting pressure on the other two to realy pull ahead and win this thing. Right now everyones amazed by Wii Sports and the other titles but if they have a long drought like they did at the N64 launch people are going to start going "wheres the games for this thing." and migrate to other consoles that get games out more regularly.
Blind the Thief
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[quote name='jollydwarf']Because MP3, SSBB, Mario Galaxy, and Animal Crossing are dolled-up DS ports? Oh wait, they aren't.
Keep bein' a smart ass, just like the rest of the loyalists. You know what games I'm talking about. As for people who insist on submitting their entire posts in bolded and/or colored text, this conversation...is over. Same goes for those who are on a clear mission to be divisive about the whole Wii60 concept (and probably have an ugly golf swing, hint, hint)*.
Actually, I'm pretty much done with this thread altogether. It started off as a reasonable discussion with all points of view pitching in, so thanks to all those users, but--of course--it had to get personal, because, you know, anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of the Fanboy.
*--Or is that too obscure?[/QUOTE]
Ok, ok, ignore them and talk to me, then. It makes me sad that you'd abandon your own discussion like that.
Personally, I feel that Nintendo focused too much on the "now" to get people on the Wi trolley, and haven't said enough about "the future". Not that they don't have plans, mind you; they just haven't said anything, and neither have third parties. The projected release date feels largely unfinished/unannounced to me, so I'd suggest a "wait and see" approach. Give it tow months tops, and we'll know more.
Keep bein' a smart ass, just like the rest of the loyalists. You know what games I'm talking about. As for people who insist on submitting their entire posts in bolded and/or colored text, this conversation...is over. Same goes for those who are on a clear mission to be divisive about the whole Wii60 concept (and probably have an ugly golf swing, hint, hint)*.
Actually, I'm pretty much done with this thread altogether. It started off as a reasonable discussion with all points of view pitching in, so thanks to all those users, but--of course--it had to get personal, because, you know, anything you say can and will be used against you in the Court of the Fanboy.
*--Or is that too obscure?[/QUOTE]
Ok, ok, ignore them and talk to me, then. It makes me sad that you'd abandon your own discussion like that.
Personally, I feel that Nintendo focused too much on the "now" to get people on the Wi trolley, and haven't said enough about "the future". Not that they don't have plans, mind you; they just haven't said anything, and neither have third parties. The projected release date feels largely unfinished/unannounced to me, so I'd suggest a "wait and see" approach. Give it tow months tops, and we'll know more.
After looking at the original post, I do see what your concerns are OP.
The Wii does create an interesting dilemma for developers and it will be interesting to see how they take on making games for this system.
Having said that, I'm really hoping that Nintendo has learned from their previous system launches, as well as issues that other system launches have had as well.
Let's look at the 360 launch, for example. I'm not bashing their first year, I'm just pointing out some information about the number of what people would refer to as high quality titles for the system, and when they came out after the launch of the system.
After the late November '05 launch, the next "major" title hit in February (Fight Night Round 3), then March brought two "major" titles (Oblivion and GRAW.) Of course people will debate what a major title is, but in my opinion, you have to jump forward to Dead Rising in August before you see the next big title hit the system (Prey and Tomb Raider were good titles, but I don't think they were "system seller" type titles.)
After that you have Saints Row later in August, Double Agent in October, and then Gears of War in November.
Put all that together, and throw in some other titles that other people might think to be major titles, and I think you have 7 to 10 "major" games that have come out on the system in the 1 year after launch.
We know that Nintendo has some big titles of their own coming out next year (Wario Ware, Mario Galaxy, Metroid 3, etc.) The biggest issue will be seeing if 3rd party developers really jump on, and make good use of, the system.
Considering the success that the DS has had and the fact that they should be able to use much smaller developer teams to make titles a good deal faster on the Wii, it would seem to me that developers will take a chance on the system and you might see more titles on the system next year than you would normally expect out of a Nintendo system.
The tough thing about it is the "major" designation that people will want to put on the titles that do come out for that given system.
The question then becomes, how many titles is enough for you to be happy with the purchase of your system? For me, if we saw the same 7 to 10 "major" titles in the first year, I'd be very happy with the first year of owning my Wii. If it's less, Nintendo would probably be in trouble.
The Wii does create an interesting dilemma for developers and it will be interesting to see how they take on making games for this system.
Having said that, I'm really hoping that Nintendo has learned from their previous system launches, as well as issues that other system launches have had as well.
Let's look at the 360 launch, for example. I'm not bashing their first year, I'm just pointing out some information about the number of what people would refer to as high quality titles for the system, and when they came out after the launch of the system.
After the late November '05 launch, the next "major" title hit in February (Fight Night Round 3), then March brought two "major" titles (Oblivion and GRAW.) Of course people will debate what a major title is, but in my opinion, you have to jump forward to Dead Rising in August before you see the next big title hit the system (Prey and Tomb Raider were good titles, but I don't think they were "system seller" type titles.)
After that you have Saints Row later in August, Double Agent in October, and then Gears of War in November.
Put all that together, and throw in some other titles that other people might think to be major titles, and I think you have 7 to 10 "major" games that have come out on the system in the 1 year after launch.
We know that Nintendo has some big titles of their own coming out next year (Wario Ware, Mario Galaxy, Metroid 3, etc.) The biggest issue will be seeing if 3rd party developers really jump on, and make good use of, the system.
Considering the success that the DS has had and the fact that they should be able to use much smaller developer teams to make titles a good deal faster on the Wii, it would seem to me that developers will take a chance on the system and you might see more titles on the system next year than you would normally expect out of a Nintendo system.
The tough thing about it is the "major" designation that people will want to put on the titles that do come out for that given system.
The question then becomes, how many titles is enough for you to be happy with the purchase of your system? For me, if we saw the same 7 to 10 "major" titles in the first year, I'd be very happy with the first year of owning my Wii. If it's less, Nintendo would probably be in trouble.
jollydwarf
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Ok, ok, ignore them and talk to me, then.
Curious. Earlier today, I literally made one user my very first member of my "Ignore List".
Listen, I'm really rooting for this console. I think at least some people here can see this, can see the difference between sympathetic, at least somewhat legitimate concern (based on the last two consoles) and 'starting s***', which is an accusation that seems to have the intent/effect of--guess what!--starting s***.
I know I'm a bit on the paranoid side. Nevertheless, I hope (see, there's a positive word...not enough, kids? Too bad) we start seeing more concrete info come the beginning of '07, otherwise it could be more of the 'same-ol', same-ol'. At that point, all the hipsters, the 'iPod crowd', and Colbert Report fans won't be so hot on the system. And Nintendo needs those people, whether its loyalists want to be that inclusive or not.
I just want third parties to have more than sufficient financial incentive to set aside resources to continue to develop titles specifically for the Wii, well past the projected point when the 'current gen' consoles truly become 'last gen'. Nintendo's AAA games have been, are, and always will be the 'main attractions' on their consoles, but for me and many others, they won't be enough, especially if they're staggered apart by months.
2007 will set up 2008 and beyond, and to paraphrase Tom Petty, "the future...is wide open." Which is optimistic and implies no guarantees. Just know that.
EDIT: psunami, that's all very true, but for the Microsoft and Sony consoles, I think sports titles (be they league sports or extreme sports, but particularly the former) are a much bigger factor on console sales than Nintendo's. They can go a long way in plugging the 'droughts', even if they are usually upgrades/downgrades, depending on if EA has secured the exclusive rights to that given league or not. (Rimshot)
I would like to think that 10, give or take a couple, would be a good number of high-quality titles to expect for the Wii per year. That would most likely mean that five or six of those would appeal to any given consumer. Grandma doesn't want to play Metroid, and Joe Frat doesn't want to play Animal Crossing. The choices need to be out there. Also, the fewer 'marquee titles' you put out there, the higher the stakes are on them. They'd better damned well work, feel 'perfect', and not have counter-intuitive/steep learning curves. I have faith in Nintendo there, but you never know.
EDIT 2:
Eh. Try "Never."
Yeah, that's what I gathered about that game. It sounded intriguing, but until it resurfaces in a more tangible form, I'm just writing it off as something less than vaporware.
Curious. Earlier today, I literally made one user my very first member of my "Ignore List".
Listen, I'm really rooting for this console. I think at least some people here can see this, can see the difference between sympathetic, at least somewhat legitimate concern (based on the last two consoles) and 'starting s***', which is an accusation that seems to have the intent/effect of--guess what!--starting s***.
I know I'm a bit on the paranoid side. Nevertheless, I hope (see, there's a positive word...not enough, kids? Too bad) we start seeing more concrete info come the beginning of '07, otherwise it could be more of the 'same-ol', same-ol'. At that point, all the hipsters, the 'iPod crowd', and Colbert Report fans won't be so hot on the system. And Nintendo needs those people, whether its loyalists want to be that inclusive or not.
I just want third parties to have more than sufficient financial incentive to set aside resources to continue to develop titles specifically for the Wii, well past the projected point when the 'current gen' consoles truly become 'last gen'. Nintendo's AAA games have been, are, and always will be the 'main attractions' on their consoles, but for me and many others, they won't be enough, especially if they're staggered apart by months.
2007 will set up 2008 and beyond, and to paraphrase Tom Petty, "the future...is wide open." Which is optimistic and implies no guarantees. Just know that.
EDIT: psunami, that's all very true, but for the Microsoft and Sony consoles, I think sports titles (be they league sports or extreme sports, but particularly the former) are a much bigger factor on console sales than Nintendo's. They can go a long way in plugging the 'droughts', even if they are usually upgrades/downgrades, depending on if EA has secured the exclusive rights to that given league or not. (Rimshot)
I would like to think that 10, give or take a couple, would be a good number of high-quality titles to expect for the Wii per year. That would most likely mean that five or six of those would appeal to any given consumer. Grandma doesn't want to play Metroid, and Joe Frat doesn't want to play Animal Crossing. The choices need to be out there. Also, the fewer 'marquee titles' you put out there, the higher the stakes are on them. They'd better damned well work, feel 'perfect', and not have counter-intuitive/steep learning curves. I have faith in Nintendo there, but you never know.
EDIT 2:
Eh. Try "Never."
Yeah, that's what I gathered about that game. It sounded intriguing, but until it resurfaces in a more tangible form, I'm just writing it off as something less than vaporware.
I think that will be the most interesting thing about this console. For the first time in a while they're going to have to try and support a very broad user base. From the young gamer, to the hardcore gamer, to the "granny" gamer.
Strangely, I think you're going to end up seeing more of the Cabela style titles finding their way to the Wii to be able to try in and bring in some of that casual gamer crowd.
It'll be odd, but gamers like us will probably be the hardest to satisfy with the system. We'll be looking harder for the major titles and there will be more of the titles that we're more prone to over look.
Just my thoughts.
Strangely, I think you're going to end up seeing more of the Cabela style titles finding their way to the Wii to be able to try in and bring in some of that casual gamer crowd.
It'll be odd, but gamers like us will probably be the hardest to satisfy with the system. We'll be looking harder for the major titles and there will be more of the titles that we're more prone to over look.
Just my thoughts.
jollydwarf
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Strangely, I think you're going to end up seeing more of the Cabela style titles finding their way to the Wii to be able to try in and bring in some of that casual gamer crowd.
That's my brother's kind of game, right there. That, and Tiger Woods. Sadly, the first 'outdoors' genre game, Rapala Tournament Fishing, sounds pretty terrible based on early feedback. As in, worse than the "6ish" range we tend to expect from those kind of 'budget' titles.
I have to admit, even though it's not my favorite thing, Wii fishing done right with two-player in the same boat would be a great experience. Just crank up the ambient outdoors sounds and set aside the cooler of cheap domestic beer.
That's my brother's kind of game, right there. That, and Tiger Woods. Sadly, the first 'outdoors' genre game, Rapala Tournament Fishing, sounds pretty terrible based on early feedback. As in, worse than the "6ish" range we tend to expect from those kind of 'budget' titles.
I have to admit, even though it's not my favorite thing, Wii fishing done right with two-player in the same boat would be a great experience. Just crank up the ambient outdoors sounds and set aside the cooler of cheap domestic beer.
One other thing to note with the Wii is that I think we'll see more games that are reviewed in the 6 to 7 (or lower) range than on other systems.
"Good" mass market games will ultimately make the system more of a success but not be the games that will receive any sort of critical acclaim.
"Good" mass market games will ultimately make the system more of a success but not be the games that will receive any sort of critical acclaim.
[quote name='jollydwarf']That's my brother's kind of game, right there. That, and Tiger Woods. Sadly, the first 'outdoors' genre game, Rapala Tournament Fishing, sounds pretty terrible based on early feedback. As in, worse than the "6ish" range we tend to expect from those kind of 'budget' titles. [/QUOTE]
That's pretty sad. There hasn't been a quality hunting title since Duck Hunt. At least 25% of Americans are rednecks now, and dammit, we demand a good-great Shootin' Large Animals game.
And no it's not too obscure. His golf swing is the golf swing of the gods. Furthermore, you get really bored in class sometimes (and I get annoyed by quotes that are just "quotes" on message boards). Now that I'm home, notice the lack of boredom quote editing.
Triple furthermore, I'm not being devisive on the Wii60 concept. I'm just saying that the 360 had as rough a post launch as any system I can remember, and it just seemed like you were ignoring that (along with the fact that the 360 is still primairly a system for gamers who like sports/FPSes/racing). I believe that Nintendo has the first party titles (which again, Microsoft's released no first party titles between launch and Gears) is more then enough to float Nintendo. Third parties, both in Japan and the US, will support the system simply because of Nintendo being the new (old?) hotness with the huge DS numbers worldwide. Ubisoft is already on board, Squenix isn't far behind, and EA has started an official Wii division.
Besides, Wii60 is a broken concept simply because it implies that it takes two systems to equal one PS3 (which clearly, it doesn't). For what it's worth, I enjoy your avatar very much.*
*Not so much on the footnote posting though.
That's pretty sad. There hasn't been a quality hunting title since Duck Hunt. At least 25% of Americans are rednecks now, and dammit, we demand a good-great Shootin' Large Animals game.
And no it's not too obscure. His golf swing is the golf swing of the gods. Furthermore, you get really bored in class sometimes (and I get annoyed by quotes that are just "quotes" on message boards). Now that I'm home, notice the lack of boredom quote editing.
Triple furthermore, I'm not being devisive on the Wii60 concept. I'm just saying that the 360 had as rough a post launch as any system I can remember, and it just seemed like you were ignoring that (along with the fact that the 360 is still primairly a system for gamers who like sports/FPSes/racing). I believe that Nintendo has the first party titles (which again, Microsoft's released no first party titles between launch and Gears) is more then enough to float Nintendo. Third parties, both in Japan and the US, will support the system simply because of Nintendo being the new (old?) hotness with the huge DS numbers worldwide. Ubisoft is already on board, Squenix isn't far behind, and EA has started an official Wii division.
Besides, Wii60 is a broken concept simply because it implies that it takes two systems to equal one PS3 (which clearly, it doesn't). For what it's worth, I enjoy your avatar very much.*
*Not so much on the footnote posting though.
rickonker
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[quote name='furyk']Umm you're missing the point. The person I quoted was complaining that he has no interest in Smash Bros and thus isn't interested in the Wii.[/QUOTE]
Umm that's not what I said at all. I said I hope Ubisoft continues to make a variety of shooters for the Wii, which will depend on how good Far Cry: Vengeance is.
Umm that's not what I said at all. I said I hope Ubisoft continues to make a variety of shooters for the Wii, which will depend on how good Far Cry: Vengeance is.
jollydwarf
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EA has started an official Wii division.
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As much as they've continually
ed over the 360 gamers in the last year in any number of ways, I have this strange feeling that they're going to actually give the Wii a solid, honest effort. Not great or envelope-pushing, of course, but respectable.
Maybe it's that they can make all sorts of games with their licenses relatively cheaply for it, maybe it's because they don't think the Wii or its overall demographic (everyone?) are (currently) conducive towards microtransaction abuse. It may also be because they'll be one of the few companies that has the money to pour into a version of a game that's engine won't get much mileage by being for effectively four systems. (Although I expect most of their sports and major licensed titles to get one more go-around on the last-gen consoles.)
That all said, they'll bail that quickly, too, if it's not working out. I'm not sure I'll be getting the Tiger Woods allegedly shipping in March, but I'll be really intrigued to see next fall's crop of sports games, as well as an SSX title. Apparently, Madden on the Wii is actually worth playing and feels like fun again.
EA actually causing a flicker of hope...so who else is up for creating Miis for the Four Horsemen?
(I'm probably going to miss MVP more than ever now.)
*--So, yeah, obviously you're not the one on my "Ignore List". And no footn...oops.
*
As much as they've continually
ed over the 360 gamers in the last year in any number of ways, I have this strange feeling that they're going to actually give the Wii a solid, honest effort. Not great or envelope-pushing, of course, but respectable. Maybe it's that they can make all sorts of games with their licenses relatively cheaply for it, maybe it's because they don't think the Wii or its overall demographic (everyone?) are (currently) conducive towards microtransaction abuse. It may also be because they'll be one of the few companies that has the money to pour into a version of a game that's engine won't get much mileage by being for effectively four systems. (Although I expect most of their sports and major licensed titles to get one more go-around on the last-gen consoles.)
That all said, they'll bail that quickly, too, if it's not working out. I'm not sure I'll be getting the Tiger Woods allegedly shipping in March, but I'll be really intrigued to see next fall's crop of sports games, as well as an SSX title. Apparently, Madden on the Wii is actually worth playing and feels like fun again.
EA actually causing a flicker of hope...so who else is up for creating Miis for the Four Horsemen?
(I'm probably going to miss MVP more than ever now.)
*--So, yeah, obviously you're not the one on my "Ignore List". And no footn...oops.
[quote name='rickonker']Umm that's not what I said at all. I said I hope Ubisoft continues to make a variety of shooters for the Wii, which will depend on how good Far Cry: Vengeance is.[/QUOTE]
You listed a bunch of 360 games when I was being sarcastic and saying the 360 and PS3 have nothing but shooters. Where does Farcry fall into there?
Anywho, putting faith in EA is like building a 100 million dollar submarine out of cork. Think on that one for a second and see where it gets you!
You listed a bunch of 360 games when I was being sarcastic and saying the 360 and PS3 have nothing but shooters. Where does Farcry fall into there?
Anywho, putting faith in EA is like building a 100 million dollar submarine out of cork. Think on that one for a second and see where it gets you!
[quote name='Spades22']Ya I mean don't 360 owners get sick of the shooters? Someone tell me how that is all you can play and still have fun.[/quote]
I've got like one shooter on my 360 how is that all I have to play
current games
Kameo
Perfect Dark Zero
Dead Rising
Rumble Roses XX
Viva Pinata
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Dead or Alive 4
pretty much all of these I can see playing through multiple times(once I finish some of them >_>, to many games not enough time). that being said I like having a "variety" of shooters on any given system because when I get in the mood to play one I like to have a choice of which "type" of shooter I want to play. Do I want more direct combat with heavy action and little emphasis on stealth? Do I want something that mixes in gadgets and some infiltration missions with some heavy action(Perfect Dark Zero). Do I want something more from times past in heavy warfare(Call of Duty).
Keep in mind its not "all" I want to play but I want something that suits my mood in the shooter genre when I get in the mood to play one and having a wide variety helps that hope that clears up your previous statement/question.
I've got like one shooter on my 360 how is that all I have to play
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Kameo
Perfect Dark Zero
Dead Rising
Rumble Roses XX
Viva Pinata
Dead or Alive Xtreme 2
Dead or Alive 4
pretty much all of these I can see playing through multiple times(once I finish some of them >_>, to many games not enough time). that being said I like having a "variety" of shooters on any given system because when I get in the mood to play one I like to have a choice of which "type" of shooter I want to play. Do I want more direct combat with heavy action and little emphasis on stealth? Do I want something that mixes in gadgets and some infiltration missions with some heavy action(Perfect Dark Zero). Do I want something more from times past in heavy warfare(Call of Duty).
Keep in mind its not "all" I want to play but I want something that suits my mood in the shooter genre when I get in the mood to play one and having a wide variety helps that hope that clears up your previous statement/question.
*looks at his list of games again, sees one shooter* umm...ok I must be really really into shooters I've got a whopping 1 in my collection . Yeah I think were done talking here.
Far as the orginal topic goes point stays the same if nintendo dosent have a good selection of games coming out or people wont buy the third party games because they just want the first party games like tends to happen with nintendo consoles the system will end up in trouble. I want this system to succeed as much as anyone on this forum does but they 'have" to get third party support and they even need those "bloody shooters" .
. Yeah I think were done talking here. Far as the orginal topic goes point stays the same if nintendo dosent have a good selection of games coming out or people wont buy the third party games because they just want the first party games like tends to happen with nintendo consoles the system will end up in trouble. I want this system to succeed as much as anyone on this forum does but they 'have" to get third party support and they even need those "bloody shooters" .
dserafin1986
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[quote name='jollydwarf']So the 'Wi-Fi Wii in 2007' thread got me thinking--well, check that--reminded me of a major concern I have as an 'early adopter' and for Nintendo's 'new gen' console in general: Is 2007 going to be a desolate landscape for Wii gaming? I've looked up and down and long and far for upcoming title names and info, and I'm kind of concerned, frankly.
I know..."But it just launched a week ago! There are plenty of games NOW to keep you entertained, idiot!" Well, yeah, that's true, but again, this is merely a speculative thread and it's something to consider for those still on the proverbial fence about whether to get a Wii sooner than later (or at all).
The Wii is my 'second console' to the 360, the Robin to its Batman, if you will, and I'm sure there will be a healthy supply of VC games to plug the gaps and slake our thirsts through the droughts. It's not going to be devastating if there are only five or six games for it that I want in 2007. Thing is, with Nintendo's penchant for taking next-to-Duke Nukem Forever to get AAA titles out, I really feel like at least one of their 'heavy hitters' slated for next year will slip into 2008.
The other thing to consider is that the PS2/Xbox/GC will be all but dead by mid-'07. Many Wii third-party cross-platform games, as I understand it, are essentially ports of these versions, with the reworked (read: half-assed?) controls. So if companies can't make one version for four consoles and instead only one, will they even bother at all? Could this lead to an even smaller library than the Gamecube's?
I know Wario Ware is effectively 'in the can' and will hit in January or February, but I could easily see the next first-party blockbuster not hitting until May or June, be it Metroid or Mario (which for pacing reasons would probably push the next one even further back). And in between titles like these, I see a lot of crap. I don't know about many of you, but I'm not about buying 5s and 6s (and even 7s) of games just because they're the only thing going at the moment. I saw too much of that with the 360.
Anyway, maybe some of you share this fear, maybe many of you just don't care and will play Twilight Princess ten times over. Perhaps you just somehow know that we "uh-uh-uh-ain't seen n-n-n-nothin' yet." I don't have "buyer's remorse" (yet), but I am afraid Nintendo might be pulling the same s*** they have been for the last ten years. This console has so many possibilities, not just limited to the inevitable lightsaber game (also 2008, most likely), and I'd really hate to see it wither away because everything conspires to make its lineup strictly "slim pickins" appeasing only the Nintendo 'loyalists'. If the software falters, a lot of these trendy non-gamers picking it up now will treat it as such: a trend that wore out its welcome.[/QUOTE]
You bring up great points...A true Nintendo Loyalist/Sufferer...The two go hand-in-hand...I feel like there is going to be a lot of shit that will hit in 07' for the Wii...But who cares, you'll be busy playing Assassin's Creed...You have the best of both worlds with the Wii60
I know..."But it just launched a week ago! There are plenty of games NOW to keep you entertained, idiot!" Well, yeah, that's true, but again, this is merely a speculative thread and it's something to consider for those still on the proverbial fence about whether to get a Wii sooner than later (or at all).
The Wii is my 'second console' to the 360, the Robin to its Batman, if you will, and I'm sure there will be a healthy supply of VC games to plug the gaps and slake our thirsts through the droughts. It's not going to be devastating if there are only five or six games for it that I want in 2007. Thing is, with Nintendo's penchant for taking next-to-Duke Nukem Forever to get AAA titles out, I really feel like at least one of their 'heavy hitters' slated for next year will slip into 2008.
The other thing to consider is that the PS2/Xbox/GC will be all but dead by mid-'07. Many Wii third-party cross-platform games, as I understand it, are essentially ports of these versions, with the reworked (read: half-assed?) controls. So if companies can't make one version for four consoles and instead only one, will they even bother at all? Could this lead to an even smaller library than the Gamecube's?
I know Wario Ware is effectively 'in the can' and will hit in January or February, but I could easily see the next first-party blockbuster not hitting until May or June, be it Metroid or Mario (which for pacing reasons would probably push the next one even further back). And in between titles like these, I see a lot of crap. I don't know about many of you, but I'm not about buying 5s and 6s (and even 7s) of games just because they're the only thing going at the moment. I saw too much of that with the 360.
Anyway, maybe some of you share this fear, maybe many of you just don't care and will play Twilight Princess ten times over. Perhaps you just somehow know that we "uh-uh-uh-ain't seen n-n-n-nothin' yet." I don't have "buyer's remorse" (yet), but I am afraid Nintendo might be pulling the same s*** they have been for the last ten years. This console has so many possibilities, not just limited to the inevitable lightsaber game (also 2008, most likely), and I'd really hate to see it wither away because everything conspires to make its lineup strictly "slim pickins" appeasing only the Nintendo 'loyalists'. If the software falters, a lot of these trendy non-gamers picking it up now will treat it as such: a trend that wore out its welcome.[/QUOTE]
You bring up great points...A true Nintendo Loyalist/Sufferer...The two go hand-in-hand...I feel like there is going to be a lot of shit that will hit in 07' for the Wii...But who cares, you'll be busy playing Assassin's Creed...You have the best of both worlds with the Wii60
[quote name='dserafin1986']You have the best of both worlds with the Wii60[/QUOTE]
That's the real solution. The Wii on its own will certainly not provide enough quality games to keep hardcore gamers busy and satisfied.
It's fine for people like me that take 2 or 3 months to finish a game like Zelda, but not for those that will plow through it in a week or two of marathon sessions.
That's the real solution. The Wii on its own will certainly not provide enough quality games to keep hardcore gamers busy and satisfied.
It's fine for people like me that take 2 or 3 months to finish a game like Zelda, but not for those that will plow through it in a week or two of marathon sessions.
crystalklear64
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[quote name='epobirs']It shouldn't come as a shock to any experienced console gamer that systems go through a lack of varied software servicing every genre early on.[/QUOTE]
Shocking? No.
Disappointing? Yes.
Time for a change? About 20 years ago.
Shocking? No.
Disappointing? Yes.
Time for a change? About 20 years ago.
I'm late to the thread, and at page 4 my eyes glazed over and I started skimming, but, isn't it seirously premature to be judging 2007? Not even the majority of games are announced a full year before release. In the past, we've seen a lot of games unveiled at E3 and released before the end of the year. Although we don't have E3 next year so it's hard to predict, I think we'll definitely have a lot of games released in 2007 that weren't known about until sometime during 2007. Also, consider the fact that games are, by a wide margin, released more in the last 1/3 of the year (and the games that will come out at that time aren't totally likely to be known about yet).
All we can really look at and judge right now is the launch (obviously), December, and Q1 '07. Beyond that is too far away, with games TBA, announced games with release dates TBA, etc. Personally, I think the launch was rather good, I think December looks decent, and I think Q1 looks great if none of the March games slip.
December has Metal Slug Anthology, Far Cry, Super Swing Golf, and Elebits. First quarter has Wario Ware (my #1 want since the Revolution controller was first shown), Wii Play, Sonic, Cooking Mama, Bust A Move, Disaster, Blazing Angels, Medal of Honor, Final Furlong, Prince of Persia, and Sengoku Action. Probably a couple of those games will be disappointing, but still, that's damn good as far as Q1's go.
All we can really look at and judge right now is the launch (obviously), December, and Q1 '07. Beyond that is too far away, with games TBA, announced games with release dates TBA, etc. Personally, I think the launch was rather good, I think December looks decent, and I think Q1 looks great if none of the March games slip.
December has Metal Slug Anthology, Far Cry, Super Swing Golf, and Elebits. First quarter has Wario Ware (my #1 want since the Revolution controller was first shown), Wii Play, Sonic, Cooking Mama, Bust A Move, Disaster, Blazing Angels, Medal of Honor, Final Furlong, Prince of Persia, and Sengoku Action. Probably a couple of those games will be disappointing, but still, that's damn good as far as Q1's go.
jollydwarf
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First quarter has Wario Ware (my #1 want since the Revolution controller was first shown), Wii Play, Sonic, Cooking Mama, Bust A Move, Disaster, Blazing Angels, Medal of Honor, Final Furlong, Prince of Persia, and Sengoku Action. Probably a couple of those games will be disappointing, but still, that's damn good as far as Q1's go.
The most disappointing part for most is that I predict roughly half of those games will miss Q1 (and half of that half will miss Q2...Prince of Persia anytime soon? C'mon, don't take Wikipedia as Bible). The second most disappointing part is that people are padding lists of games with Blazing Angels. If anything, that s*** should be conveniently 'overlooked'.
And what's with everyone drooling over Cooking Mama? I have a DS, and man, I just do not get the love for the 'offbeat' pseudo-games. Is that a 'cred' thing? Like most 'indie music' fans' posturing, I think it is.
EDIT: Almost forgot...glad to see others see the Wii as part of a gamer's well-balanced breakfast, and not the sole source of nutrition. For those of you that do not, please, let's not make this a Console War skirmish, 'cause I reallying HATE that "war", 'kay?
The most disappointing part for most is that I predict roughly half of those games will miss Q1 (and half of that half will miss Q2...Prince of Persia anytime soon? C'mon, don't take Wikipedia as Bible). The second most disappointing part is that people are padding lists of games with Blazing Angels. If anything, that s*** should be conveniently 'overlooked'.
And what's with everyone drooling over Cooking Mama? I have a DS, and man, I just do not get the love for the 'offbeat' pseudo-games. Is that a 'cred' thing? Like most 'indie music' fans' posturing, I think it is.
EDIT: Almost forgot...glad to see others see the Wii as part of a gamer's well-balanced breakfast, and not the sole source of nutrition. For those of you that do not, please, let's not make this a Console War skirmish, 'cause I really
ing HATE that "war", 'kay?
bread's done