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A statement from IGN editor Juan Castro:
“How is the Wii the only right choice for gamers? Contrary to what you believe, Wii games for the most part ignore “hardcore” gamers. Just look at its lineup. It’s filled with games like Elebits, Super Monkey Ball, Duck Hunt and Excite Truck. It has a handful of promising games, take Super Mario Galaxy and Wario Ware, but the rest hardly qualify as harcore, if that’s the point you want to make. Hell, even its best games, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid, wouldn’t really qualify as hardcore.”

“The Wii may outsell it (PS3) at launch, but no one cares about those numbers…With the Wii, on the other hand, developers hesitate calling it a next-gen system now, which isn’t so hot…and this is something both hardcore and casual gamers will definitely notice.”

Man, I wish the Wii had some hardcore gamez0rz, d00ds. None of that pussy Zelda or Red Steel shit.
What makes a game HARDCORE anyway? Is it on the same grading scale as porno, or is it just some fuckSHIT-STUPID elitist term? Perhaps it represents a ratio of titties to violence?



Regardless,I think we need to look past the crazy logic and look at his name. Juan CASTRO. Coincidence? I think not, you red bastards!
 
What is a "hardcore" gamer? And why did an editor for the internet's premier gaming advertisement site ( I mean news site) misspell Hardcore ?
Seriously, what is a hardcore gamer? How do we measure this? Is it by the amount of games played, money invested, or the ability to speak in that annoying manner that is known as "leet" (I refuse to use numbers in place of letters) ? Boo....
 
I don't think the "hardcore gamer" is their target market anyway, if it was, they'd be hyping up their Wifi service a lot more than it currently is.

I can't tell you exactly what a "hardcore gamer" is but I do know that it relies heavily on online multiplayer gaming.

Nintendo is going for a console the whole family can sit around and play. I remember when I was a kid and my parent's got me a NES for christmas that they'd have their friends over many nights a week to sit around and play it. Then when SNES rolled around my parents would still dabble in it but, for the most part, they didn't do a whole with it. That was the last video game system they touched. I've tried to get them to play certain multiplayer games with me but they feel that they're too complex and they don't want to have to learn how to play. Nintendo's trying to get back to the simple days of gaming with the NES and SNES.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']
I can't tell you exactly what a "hardcore gamer" is but I do know that it relies heavily on online multiplayer gaming.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking more along the lines of a gamer who wants a deep, complex system to all their games. Something that takes some time to get into, not something that anyone can just jump into and have a good time. I wouldn't say online multiplayer gaming is hardcore because any casual gamer can (and will) get into that.

In those terms though, we'll use XBL and some games. We'll say Chromehounds is "hardcore", since it takes dedication, skill, and alot of effort and work to be any good at it. Something like...hm... Saints Row I guess is alot more accessible and someone can just jump right in and start having fun.

Your edit hit the nail on the head, I think... many people could get into NES, but when systems got more complex and more buttons and functions were being added it became alot more difficult for people to keep up. Nintendo is targeting those people for the most part... same with the DS, I guess.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I was thinking more along the lines of a gamer who wants a deep, complex system to all their games. Something that takes some time to get into, not something that anyone can just jump into and have a good time. I wouldn't say online multiplayer gaming is hardcore because any casual gamer can (and will) get into that.

In those terms though, we'll use XBL and some games. We'll say Chromehounds is "hardcore", since it takes dedication, skill, and alot of effort and work to be any good at it. Something like...hm... Saints Row I guess is alot more accessible and someone can just jump right in and start having fun.

Your edit hit the nail on the head, I think... many people could get into NES, but when systems got more complex and more buttons and functions were being added it became alot more difficult for people to keep up. Nintendo is targeting those people for the most part... same with the DS, I guess.[/QUOTE]

Nicely put. Look at Halo, many casual gamers will pick it up and enjoy it but hardcore gamers will know exactly where the weapons are, how long it takes for them to spawn back, the exact time it takes for a grenade to detonate, etc.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Nicely put. Look at Halo, many casual gamers will pick it up and enjoy it but hardcore gamers will know exactly where the weapons are, how long it takes for them to spawn back, the exact time it takes for a grenade to detonate, etc.[/QUOTE]

I don't know, I define a casual gamer as someone who picks up maybe a few games a year, so if Halo is one of their games of course they are going to know where everything is.

I knew alot of people back in the day who were Halo experts and owned maybe 2 or 3 other games for their Xbox... they were casual about gaming but hardcore about Halo. As a whole though, Halo is easily accessible to everyone, I can't really think of an FPS as "hardcore" in that it takes some time to get into. Maybe something old like System Shock 2? Maybe even Oblivion.
 
I save my "hardcore" gaming for the PC. Maybe the Wii will lack that stuff, maybe not. Who cares, it's not as if we can only own one gaming system at a time. :)

Wii will fit right next to anyones 360 or PS3 under the TV. :)
 
I don't know about hardcore, but I think that the Wii appeals to a large number of gamers. Casual and new gamers can pick it up easily, and the potential of the Virtual Console could appeal to a lot of old gamers who've been out of the loop for a while but are willing to reminisce about NES good times on their television (and not just on a handheld).
 
I don't know maybe I'm a minority but....I don't understand how a system that will play games from the NES all the way until the current gen won't be considered hardcore. When I think about the sheer number of games that will be available it blows my mind and that's just Nintendo franchises. Who knows how many companies will support the virtual console and who knows what new content we will see there as well.

Now if hardcore means a blu-ray drive or a state of the art processor than maybe I can understand. Truth be told though its going to be awhile until the PS3 even gets out of the gates running.

I like great graphics as much as the next guy but I would like to at least think that within the realm of video games there is more to come. I'm not even saying that the Wii is the answer specifically but what is the harm in trying something new? The DS looked laughable at first and that little system is beating the crap out of everything and everyone.

It seems these days being hardcore means a LOT of added crap that the game industry never needed in the first place. I think somewhere along the lines hardcore gamers and videophiles crossed paths and now we have this weird offshoot hardcore videophile gamers.

I know people think its cliche but just give me some good games that I can have fun playing and I'm set.
 
i think everyone is missing the bigger picture, this is an editor from IGN. His opinion is as about as valid as mine or yours. And I think a true hardcore gamer would get the system for new and experimental gameplay because that is truly hardcore
 
If the biggest complaint that can be leveled against the Wii is that it's not "hardcore" enough.......bwahahahaha.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']And I think a true hardcore gamer would get the system for new and experimental gameplay because that is truly hardcore[/QUOTE]
Bingo.
 
hardcore gamers are the fuckers at IGN. that site use to be awesome, now they are waaaaay too into putting people in their place, cause we dont have the knowledge of videogames.
like remembering the komani code gets them laid. I cant wait for the Wii. no matter what, if you grew up with a mario title, you will always play/respect the mario titles in the future.

OP, you crack me up with those avatars man.
 
Man.

It's primetime for damage control and "LOOK THE OTHER WAY!" ing, eh?

This all goes back to Nintendo saying "we need games with more substance and less filler," which everyone took to mean "we need less hardcore/long games."

I guess a 50+ hour adventure game with badass graphics in the biggest franchise ever isn't considered hardcore these days.
 
I consider myself to be a hardcore gamer... I really like the more complex games out there and I'm not a fan of blindly accepting stuff just because it's popular... but at the same time, there's no doubt in my mind that I'm getting a Wii on launch day with a bunch of games. I don't think hardcore-ness even applies here -- the system's launch looks like it'll just be pure awesome.
 
[quote name='Strell']I guess a 50+ hour adventure game with badass graphics in the biggest franchise ever isn't considered hardcore these days.[/QUOTE]
You mean... Halo 3?

OH YES SWEET JESUS THANK YOU.
 
[quote name='Strell']Man.

It's primetime for damage control and "LOOK THE OTHER WAY!" ing, eh?

This all goes back to Nintendo saying "we need games with more substance and less filler," which everyone took to mean "we need less hardcore/long games."

I guess a 50+ hour adventure game with badass graphics in the biggest franchise ever isn't considered hardcore these days.[/QUOTE]


Are you referencing a specific game there?
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Are you referencing a specific game there?[/QUOTE]

Yes, you shitfaced cockmaster.*

Zelda.

*This is a joke, btw.
 
"hardcore gamers" are stupid...or at least they appear that way. Lots of idiots these days call themselves "hardcore gamers" because they play "quirky" games like Katamari or some other Japanese type game...yeah...thats just pathetic IMO.
 
[quote name='Strell']Yes, you shitfaced cockmaster.

Zelda.[/QUOTE]

Is that why you were asking to lick my face earlier?

I guess I didn't realize Zelda was 50 hours.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Is that why you were asking to lick my face earlier?

I guess I didn't realize Zelda was 50 hours.[/QUOTE]

Nonsense! I asked to leek your face earlier. It is good for the pores.

Zelda is supposedly 80+ hours. I'm throttling down for real world measure.
 
[quote name='Strell']Nonsense! I asked to leek your face earlier. It is good for the pores.

Zelda is supposedly 80+ hours. I'm throttling down for real world measure.[/QUOTE]

Haha, just like you telling me you could keep it hard for 15 minutes straight.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Haha, just like you telling me you could keep it hard for 15 minutes straight.[/QUOTE]

It's the other way around. I can't keep it not hard for 15 minutes at a time.
 
Depends on how you define "hardcore gamer," a phrase that I abhor, but I guess I fit under. I would consider a hardcore gamer someone who loves video games, loves talking about them, has a sense of what's good and what's bad, and generally owns more than one system. I don't think it means you have to thumb-up your nose at Madden/Halo/GTA/Mario and play Ico and Shadow of the Colossus all the time.
 
No one can agree on terms. The definition of "hardcore" changes depending on who's doing the defining. To one group it's games with adult content, intense smack-talking multiplayer components (generally wargame), and state-of-the-art graphics. To others it's about being a serious RPG freak. To others still it's about loyalty to long-established franchises - i.e. Zelda, Mario. To other still it's about enthusiasm for new, experimental gaming technology. And so on. "Hardcore" is just another word for "the kind of gaming a person who really likes games likes." It doesn't really mean anything specific, so when sites like IGN use it without defining or (or they try in vain), they're just wanking off. It's a stupid word game.
 
Oh man. It seems that Juan "I'm gonna say something really stupid, but no one will care because I'm a second fiddle at NazIGN" Castro really, really, REALLY needs to get himself laid.

That, or get fired. Someone that deems consoles and games in the following two categories:

Hardcore
Not Hardcore

Needs to get out of the business. IGN used to be cool back when the people there cared about what the games brought, and not what the console was promising. Remember the PS3 hype we got last year? Where is that now?

Wii-wii.
 
[quote name='thegarageband']IGN used to be cool[/QUOTE]
I may not understand the system well enough to make myself cool, but I've got enough of a handle on things to know who the cool kids are.

And I don't recall ever seeing IGN at the popular table in the cafeteria. EVER.
 
Judgeing by the way he's making it sound, to him hardcore gamers are those gamers who are particpate in the community of that game, attend tournaments, defend it like its their mother, play that game and only that game while looking down on others. If thats the case, then he is extremely wrong, since Nintendo potentially has one of the most hardcore games of all time in Smash Brothers.
 
The Wii can and will be hardcore when and if they start releasing japanese games on the Virtual Console translated. Then people can finally know where Marth and Roy came from.
 
[quote name='keithp']Hardcore is when they show penetration.

Close-up.

I'm sorry, what was the question, again?[/QUOTE]
roffles
 
So true to the above! I always loved running over people with hogs but now all I do is get booted if I try that fun technique!
 
Of course Wii doesn't support a fundamental bases for Hardcore gamers. It was never there focus and it never will be. They may have some 3rd party games that tread into that zone, but they will never be a console catered to those players.

Thats why I tend to relate my Wii/GC/N64 console's as my sub friend/family oriented fun console.

Its a good break between my major consoles.
 
I dunno Red Steel looked kinda hardcore, but thats not really the point. The point is you get a Nintendo system to play the classics and Smash Brothers. Be all hardcore with your 50 cent and Twentyfive to life games I'll take me some Online Smash Brothers over that anyday of the week. Smash Brothers Melee better damn well be online too!!!
 
Personally I agree with people who think the term "Hardcore" is stupid. It's like spelling out that you're "l33t", it's the most pathetic poserish thing to do. It's putting it on.
Now I can say with some pride I'm an "Old School" gamer however but I'm not Flintstones, in other words I wasn't around with thee Colecovision, Atari and all that. Rather I started gaming with the NES and never looked back. :D
With VCS I really hope for product from the arcade as well as the PC-FX. With arcade give us "Punch-Out" already!
 
Ugh.. I pretty much agree with several of the other posts.. The "Hardcore games/gamers" term needs to go. It's pretty much an empty label now used to make one gamer feel better about themselves. If I spend more hours on WarioWare/Elebits/ChuChu Rocket than Zelda/Halo/Final Fantasy then what fucking difference does it make if I'm "hardcore" by your standards or not? I could still spend days talking about techniques in the former games and take them apart.
 
[quote name='evanft']WTF? Hardcore gamers are gamers who put fun and innovation over all else.[/quote]

I think that is called children.
 
Lately the videogame media has been total trash. It's getting to the point to where I don't think their opinions are needed on anything anymore. I hope we get to a point where it's so easy to distribute game demos to the public(ala Xbox Live or PC) that everyone can just make up their own mind instead of Matt C and the cronies at IGN telling us Nintendo Wii is for the NON-leet gamers.
 
[quote name='DarkNessBear']I think that is called children.[/QUOTE]

OMG j00 r so rite!!!!11!!! ST00PiED KIdnETNDO!11!

;)
 
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