Wii Summer Lineup Revealed

[quote name='Strell']You know, you people who bought the Wii and find nothing worthwhile in this list...I'm trying to figure out where it is you f*cked up.

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So again I ask what in the hell is going on here, because I see a list that's got at least a few games worth mentioning, one of which we haven't seen anything new about and thus could be a real surprise, and yet there's this endless bitching.[/QUOTE]
I'll never understand videogamers. People whine in the Amazon Deal of the Day threads because Amazon isn't selling Halo 3 for $20, but then they flip out if anyone questions their favorite system. And it isn't just Nintendo fans, it's all of them. XBOX, Sony, Nintendo, etc. There are even people still loyal to Sega despite their falters. I don't understand why it should make anyone mad that many people are not happy with the game lineup. How does that personally affect anyone? If someone sells their Wii, so be it. I'm not even considering that, but if someone else wants to--so be it. This is a message board, and people are entitled to express both positive and negative views--not just the ones you agree with.

As for how anyone could be tricked by Nintendo, well, I suppose many people feel lied to by Nintendo. This is the second generation where Nintendo has said they learned their lesson, and the second where it appears they have not. Console shortages? Weak launch (minus Zelda) and horrid drought after? Recycled games with "new" Wii controls slapped on? If this were Sony people would be roasting them. Like I said, I love Nintendo in many ways, but I don't blindly follow them...or MS, or Sony. I don't get that sort of devotion to a company that basically ripped its customer base off on hardware, any way you slice it.

There is good to be said about the Wii too, but I don't get this where if anyone questions Nintendo we all have to take defensive positions and stick our fingers in our ears. Very odd.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']I wish EA would start talking about what they're adding to Madden 08 for the Wii.
[/QUOTE]

Umm...new rosters? Seriously, they put more effort into the Wii version than they have all the versions since 98 combined. Don't expect anything new until Madden 2011, at the earliest.
 
[quote name='elwood731']I'll never understand videogamers. People whine in the Amazon Deal of the Day threads because Amazon isn't selling Halo 3 for $20, but then they flip out if anyone questions their favorite system. And it isn't just Nintendo fans, it's all of them. XBOX, Sony, Nintendo, etc. There are even people still loyal to Sega despite their falters. I don't understand why it should make anyone mad that many people are not happy with the game lineup. How does that personally affect anyone? If someone sells their Wii, so be it. I'm not even considering that, but if someone else wants to--so be it. This is a message board, and people are entitled to express both positive and negative views--not just the ones you agree with.

As for how anyone could be tricked by Nintendo, well, I suppose many people feel lied to by Nintendo. This is the second generation where Nintendo has said they learned their lesson, and the second where it appears they have not. Console shortages? Weak launch (minus Zelda) and horrid drought after? Recycled games with "new" Wii controls slapped on? If this were Sony people would be roasting them. Like I said, I love Nintendo in many ways, but I don't blindly follow them...or MS, or Sony. I don't get that sort of devotion to a company that basically ripped its customer base off on hardware, any way you slice it.

There is good to be said about the Wii too, but I don't get this where if anyone questions Nintendo we all have to take defensive positions and stick our fingers in our ears. Very odd.[/quote]

I don't think anyone is really getting defensive but I would like to hear what more you people think they should be releasing. Keep in mind that is not ALL of the games coming out. Instead of saying it is weak and that is it, how about saying why? It seems like by the end of summer, most of Nintendo's franchises will have a game on the Wii (Warioware, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros, Battalion Wars, Mario Party, Mario Strikers and Mario Galaxy later on this year). What more are you asking from them?

Every system has a drought. Nothing new there. Personally I didn't find the launch weak. Zelda, Madden, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Rayman. That was good enough for me. What would have constituted a strong launch in your opinion?
 
You're putting a lot of words in my mouth and changing the subject to a myriad of things I'm not even addressing, and then placing it all under this pastel "why can't we all just get along" kind of crap I've heard since I was in elementary school.

The point is that you knew going in what the deal was. Period. I could care less if you hate the Wii, hate the games, don't like Mario, etc. That's all full and well an opinion. Just like you shouldn't get on my case if I'm not going to buy a 360 because none of the games appeal to me.

But that's the difference. I haven't bought a 360 for that exact reason - the games don't appeal to me. So it makes no difference to me what is and what is not coming out on the system, because it's not my brand of beer.

Then when games are announced for it, I'm not in the thread bitching and moaning about how "omfg why can't we just get good games on the 360" like that's a valid thing to say.

Again, the problem here is that you people knew what the score was. You know Nintendo doesn't have the power, is going to rely on their first party mascots, probably won't release games on time, etc. And that last one - releasing games on time - is actually something of a "secret" if you were to ask casual gamers, which I'm pretty sure the majority of CAGs aren't, so I again say you've really got no damn excuse.

You're implying I'm blindly following this release list just because it's Nintendo. I said a very clear thing - wtf did everyone f*ck up? If you want my damn opinion on the list, then fine - is it great? Well it has Metroid Prime, and that's basically what I'm most interested in. It certainly isn't full, certainly isn't bursting with games, but that's fine for me, which is why it gets so irritating to hear people act like Nintendo fans are clueless morons who - as you so said - blindly follow the big N.

You didn't answer my question at all. You just reiterated it and then said "gosh why in the hell are you even being defensive." That doesn't help this discussion at all.

I'm trying to figure out if the Sony and MS camps have the same sort of thing going on.
 
[quote name='defiance_17']Umm...new rosters? Seriously, they put more effort into the Wii version than they have all the versions since 98 combined. Don't expect anything new until Madden 2011, at the earliest.[/quote]
Thanks for the info. :roll:
 
I guess maybe some clarification is needed, Nintendo already published a list of games coming out through the end of June, this list is really just what Nintendo has confirmed for the 3rd quarter. Games like The Bigs, and Res. 4 Wii Edition (IE things coming out in June) are 2nd quarter releases.

If people, you know, actually took some time and did some poking about on even something a simple as www.ebgames.com they'd realize there is a lot more coming out than what is on this list.


Frankly I think it was a bad idea for Nintendo to publish the list at all. They should've waited until tomorrow for their media event to kick off...


Heaven forbid people actually let calmer heads prevail instead of freaking out. I can pick 4 maybe even 5 games off that list, not included the 3 or so I want in the next month or so, and then we still have the 4th quarter. Combined with the 360 and PS3 I don't have enough time or money to get all these games.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']Did Madden 07 on the Wii provide roster updates? If not, that's something new they could add...[/quote]

Im not expecting much updates wise except for graphics. That's fine with me though in this case as Madden the first go round was the best in years. I hope they smooth out the kicking game a bit though. I had some problems with that occasionally.
 
[quote name='lanzarlaluna']Did Madden 07 on the Wii provide roster updates? If not, that's something new they could add...[/quote]

Nope, no roster updates. Hopefully we'll get that, though. I don't imagine there's too much they'll do about graphics since we'll still be getting the last-gen engine ported over to Wii, but hopefully as far as things like roster updates and (fingers crossed) online multiplayer go, they'll add that.
 
That's not a bad first party lineup for the summer, I'm looking forward to Metroid and Battalion Wars 2. With the Godfather (which I got a week or so ago) and Resident Evil 4 I should have more then enough Wii games to keep me busy this summer.
Plus, my Wii broke last week and I'm going to ship it out for repair tomorrow, so it will be a week or two until I can play more of the Godfather.
 
I don't think the list sounds bad at all. I'm very excited for MP3, but unlike most of the posters here, I really enjoyed Metroid Prime 2, so much so that I went back through for a 100% completion on Hard. The gameplay trailer with the fight with Ridley down the shaft alone has me pumped for the game.

I have Battalion Wars and played through the first chapter, so I think the sequel will be fun, if only for the addition to a theme, like Advance Wars to Advance Wars 2 and online play (hopefully co-op).

Strikers looks fun too. I never bought the original, but the little I played of it was fun and have no doubt the sequel will give me a reason to purchase it.

IMO, the list looks good for just Q3 07. I'm sure Nintendo will please the doubters and naysayers, if they can be pleased, with Brawl and Galaxy in Q4.
 
As much as I love you and everything you stand for, Strell, it's "could NOT care less." If you say that you could care less, then you really should, because you're trying to tell him that you don't care at all. You got a degree in fucking English, and this language is my second. Still love you, though, but school them propah, fool.

But I do have to say that for people who are all about being self-proclaimed "industry insiders" which follow game media's every whiff of bullshittinous rumors, you guys are really not connecting the proverbial dots.

First off, stop comparing the Wii to the DS. I'll tell you that given three talented coders and two artists, I could write a game for the DS on a fucking schedule and release it by December (October-November for promotion). Sorry, but two 256x192 screens with a handful of possible background types is a tiny bit easier to develop for than a large-scale gaming experience for the Wii.

Furthermore, you act as if the Wii success is something that we knew about for ages. No, we didn't, because there are enough assholes on CAG forums alone that say that Wii's success is a flash in the pan, and it won't amount to anything. Nintendo wiped the floor with not only its competitors but with its third party support in all the latest reports, and now people are saying "perhaps Nintendo scored a home-run after all." Perhaps, indeed.

The Wii is "two GameCubes" because it needs to be as simple as possible to develop for, and hopefully the mission will be accomplished prior to all of you biting your own penis heads off in frustration. Pitching Wii development is less of a hassle, because the hardware is, essentially, "good old familiar bits," yet since most of you who bitch don't understand how optimization works and which bits are the most important, I'll just merely say "shut the fuck up, you have not the slightest idea what the hell you are talking about."

Anybody expecting this list to be filled with some sort of brand new shiny IP that was developed by everyone must have either been under a rock for the last... since Nintendo 64 came out, OR they are really not getting something through. Yes, Sony is going to have some bad-ass shit come out -right now- as "intertia" of their PS2-fueled 3rd party support. Whether they will start losing people or not is a question of how well the new products are going to sell, and no, nobody really knows.

If you think that Wii is not being developed for, you are wrong. If you think that in this day and age, the industry people would tell you what the hell they are doing prior to having shit to show and mouths to drop, guess what, chumps? WRONG AGAIN. At present, two years is considered a "minimum" for a large-scale video game (Source: Steve Ince of Revolution Software regarding development of Broken Sword Games, Revolution Software Forum). StarCraft II development, for example, began in 2003 (Source: Blizzard StarCraft FAQ, as covered by GameSpot), and is not likely to end until 2008 at the earliest. With Nintendo just now acquiring 3rd party support, you best sit the fuck down and get yourself a good book. It'll be a while.
 
I don't really care for the Metroid Prime games, but I'll probably buy the third one for whatever reason. Even with the "lack" of games for the Wii, I'm still very satisfied with my purchase; and I knew there wouldn't be all that much for a while going into it, so no big. All is absolved when SSBB comes out.
 
The first 3 are all I care about from this list. I can't wait for Smash Bros. Mario, and No More Heroes later this year.

Resident Evil 4 will tide me over nicely until then.
 
I understand what Strell is saying, people all around are bitching and complaining about there not being enough good games, or games taking too long to come out, etc.

I bought a Wii fully knowing this was going to be the case, I didn't expect any of the heavy hitters to... hit for a while. I guess more people need to put in more research before they plunk down $250.00 + tax? And it's not like you can't get out of this now, there are still a lot of people desperate to obtain a Wii. Sell it on eBay already and be done with it, you can always pick it up later down the line when stuff is out.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']Glad I held off on Tiger Woods 2007, as the PSP's first year set the precedent for EA double-dipping on the franchise within six or seven months for a new system. But besides that and Corruption...well, it's going to be a killer second half of '07 for the 360!

"Slim pickins!"

"Manufactured shortage!"

"Infinite delays!"

(Scurries out of thread, snickering)[/QUOTE]

Yes, but IF MP3, SSBB, and Mario Galaxy all do come out before the end of the year will you make a thread on CAG apologizing for your smugness? Looks like MP3 is coming for sure - don't think we'd see a firm date like that otherwise. SSBB has a "2007" on it's official web site - less firm, but a good sign.

Honestly, I thought at least one of these would slip till 2008, but now I'm not so sure. If all 3 of those come out in addition to Strikers and BW II, then I'd have to say the Wii has BY FAR the best lineup in the second half of 2007 (even if NO third party games come out of E3 and surprise us as I expect a few to do). Hands down, no question... (Then again, I have no interest in Halo so the 360 has a void there in Sept as far as I'm concerned ;)).
 
[quote name='elwood731']That's a pretty poor lineup. I worry Nintendo is going to let their momentum die if they don't start bringing out more interesting titles.[/QUOTE]

Ka-BINGO! This isn't going well at all. Maybe '08 will be better, but will the tide of public opinion and all of the good will that's been fostered in the early months dissipate by then?

For those doubting that Wii60 is the only way for hardcore gamers to roll this gen, stuff like this list ought to be all the proof you need.

I'm grateful for my PS2 backlog and Oblivion, but I weep for my massive GameStop credit and TRU gift cards.
 
[quote name='Tebunker']...this list is really just what Nintendo has confirmed for the 3rd quarter.....we still have the 4th quarter.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was thinking. On that list, there is no mention of what's coming out October through December, three months that typically see the largest volume of new releases and a higher proportion of AAA titles. If Smash Bros. and Mario Galaxy come out this year, it will be a strong Q4 based on those two alone.
 
All this list shows is that Nintendo is cranking out an absurd amount of games so far in 2007. Let's review:

January: Wario Ware
February: Wii Play
March: Nothing
April: Super Paper Mario
May: Big Brain Academy/Mario Party 8
June: Pokemon Battle Revolution
July: Mario Strikers Charged
August: Metroid Prime 3
September: Batallion Wars 2

Notice a trend? Seeing as how Wii Fitness, SSB:B, Mario, and Fire Emblem are the only games we've heard a lot about that are left my guess is we'll see most if not all of them in time for the holiday season. The third parties really need to step it up, but I think the strong Wii sales will result in those big third party games coming out by late Fall 07.
 
[quote name='lordwow']Ya, Pokemon is going to be big whether or not we all play it.[/QUOTE]

Most of us will play it though. Pokemon might end up being as popular gaming-wise as it was back in the Gold/Silver days before most of us burned out on the series.
 
[quote name='furyk']All this list shows is that Nintendo is cranking out an absurd amount of games so far in 2007. Let's review:

January: Wario Ware
February: Wii Play
March: Nothing
April: Super Paper Mario
May: Big Brain Academy/Mario Party 8
June: Pokemon Battle Revolution
July: Mario Strikers Charged
August: Metroid Prime 3
September: Batallion Wars 2

Notice a trend?[/QUOTE]

Sure do...

WarioWare = low in features compared to previous versions and so not worth $50
Wii Play = weak sauce tech demos
Super Paper Mario = Fun, but a GameCube port
BBA = original content, sure, but nothing mind-blowing
Mario Party 8 = always a wide open target for cynicism, esp with so many mini-game collections already on the system
Pokemon Battle Revolution = I dunno enough to comment
Mario Strikers Charged = Should've been a launch window title
Metroid Prime 3 = Could be great, but after Echoes, there's reason to wait for reviews
Batallion Wars 2 = Should've been a launch window title

Maybe Nintendo was banking on 3rd party support and didn't want to undercut their partners, but they've largely let us down, too. And weren't they supposed to give on-line dev kits out in '07?

Honestly, I still think the world of Nintendo. They've shaped my view of gaming since I was a young boy and have provided a ridiculous amount of fun for me over the years. In fact, I wouldn't feel so bummed about how things are going with the Wii if I didn't care so much about them. Around here it takes some guts to say "the Wii is loaded with potential, but Nintendo is dropping the ball big time." I got guts and that's what I'm doing.
 
[quote name='furyk']Most of us will play it though. Pokemon might end up being as popular gaming-wise as it was back in the Gold/Silver days before most of us burned out on the series.[/QUOTE]


Somehow I don't see many CAGs playing kiddie games.

disclaimer: I have never played a pokemon game but it looks like its for 6 year olds.
 
[quote name='porieux']Somehow I don't see many CAGs playing kiddie games.

disclaimer: I have never played a pokemon game but it looks like its for 6 year olds.[/quote]

I take it you haven't been in the DS forums lately?
 
[quote name='yukine']I take it you haven't been in the DS forums lately?[/QUOTE]

:rofl:

I was just about to post that myself. Also, look at the activity in the past in the AC:WW forum and now in the Viva Pinata forum. I'm not into Pokemon, but I play the other two. Yes, I do have kids and that's how I got into those games, but I fully enjoy them by myself as well. I'm sure it would be the same for Pokemon if I gave it a chance. I am intentionally avoiding both the DS and upcoming Wii versions, though, simply because I have too many games to play and don't need yet another time sink...
 
The Pokemon games are mostly geared towards kids, but that of course doesn't mean they can't be entertaining for adults. I personally don't really care for them as I just don't have the patience for all that collecting.

One thing I've always noticed about the Pokemon games though, is that Nintendo often uses it as a sort of launching pad for innovative technology.
 
[quote name='yukine']The Pokemon games are mostly geared towards kids, but that of course doesn't mean they can't be entertaining for adults. I personally don't really care for them as I just don't have the patience for all that collecting.

One thing I've always noticed about the Pokemon games though, is that Nintendo often uses it as a sort of launching pad for innovative technology.[/QUOTE]

What was innovative about the new Pokemon game?
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']What was innovative about the new Pokemon game?[/quote]
Wi-Fi battling, trading. As well as voice chat via microphone.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']That has been done on PSP games before including chat.[/QUOTE]

Wow. And games in the Windows 95 days did it too.

He's talking about it as a franchise. Don't take your anti-Nintendo bullshit into a discussion that's not trying to bring it up.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']That has been done on PSP games before including chat.[/quote]
It's innovative as far as Nintendo goes.

Pokemon Snap allowed you to take pictures you took in game, and print them out on stickers via a kiosk.

Pokemon (I think it was Stadium) allowed you to transfer Pokemon via a handheld to a console game.

Pokemon Battle Revolution will be the first Wii game that goes online, and also the first game to allow connectivity between the Nintendo DS and Wii.

Pokemon Emerald came with a wireless adapter for trading/battling.

And I'm pretty sure Pokemon Red and Blue were the first Gameboy games to allow linking between carts.

Those are just a few examples, like I said it just seems like Nintendo uses Pokemon as a launching pad for new things. Perhaps not "new" in the industry, but it's new for the series and for Nintendo.
 
[quote name='Strell']Wow. And games in the Windows 95 days did it too.

He's talking about it as a franchise. Don't take your anti-Nintendo bullshit into a discussion that's not trying to bring it up.[/QUOTE]


I LoL'd. Thats just what i was thinking when i read these posts. I tip my hat to you sir.
 
[quote name='yukine']
Pokemon Emerald came with a wireless adapter for trading/battling.[/quote]

Wasn't that FR/LG? Unless Emerald did it first...
 
To be honest I'm perfectly happy with what is coming out for the Wii over the next few months. Between RE4, MP3, and Mario Strikers that is more than enough to make me happy. I don't need or expect a ton of games to come out all at once either. As long as Nintendo and/or a third party can release at least one good title a month during the summer time that works well enough for me here.
 
[quote name='sixersballernum3']Wasn't that FR/LG? Unless Emerald did it first...[/quote]

You're probably right, I thought it was Emerald for some reason.
 
Muaha. The UK somehow got Mario Strikers before the US. I bought it, and I love it. If anyone wants a little review or such, drop me a line and I'll drag myself to the Wii forum for it. : P
 
Now that I've finished Legend of Zelda: TP, there's nothing else to play. That summer line up seems a bit underwhelming! God, I should have saved up for a PS3!
 
All of those releases look boring... nothing to get excited about here.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']Now that I've finished Legend of Zelda: TP, there's nothing else to play. That summer line up seems a bit underwhelming! God, I should have saved up for a PS3![/QUOTE]

It's all a matter of opinion I suppose. I want a PS3 too, but then I look at the release list and don't see a single game worth purchasing for the system out now, to be released this year, or even announced for 2008. Sure, there's a couple that *might* be interesting like the new Ratchet & Clank, and maybe Lair. Possibly FF XIII if it comes out by 2008 (though having not played X or XII yet I find it hard to get too excited for that). But what Nintendo has coming out FOR SURE this year has those beat by a mile - Metroid, Mario Strikers, BW 2, Mario Galaxy, SSBB just to name the biggest first-party ones...
 
[quote name='io']It's all a matter of opinion I suppose. I want a PS3 too, but then I look at the release list and don't see a single game worth purchasing for the system out now, to be released this year, or even announced for 2008. Sure, there's a couple that *might* be interesting like the new Ratchet & Clank, and maybe Lair. Possibly FF XIII if it comes out by 2008 (though having not played X or XII yet I find it hard to get too excited for that). But what Nintendo has coming out FOR SURE this year has those beat by a mile - Metroid, Mario Strikers, BW 2, Mario Galaxy, SSBB just to name the biggest first-party ones...[/QUOTE]

I was not trying to slam the Wii, my kids love Raving Rabbids, Wario Ware, and Tony Hawk's DHJ (a CAG find). I want to see more games like Twilight Princess that are fun and difficult to put down.

I know the PS3 is not heavy with top notch games, but it does have something I am interested in, and that is a Blu-Ray player and HDMI. I would probably using my PS3 as more as a movie player and wait for the games to eventually to come out.
 
I think all the systems have a pathetic summer lineup. Unless Mario Party 8 is spectacular, I'm likely going to pass. The reviews for the last few games in the series have all been the same "It's kind of dull by yourself, but it's fun with two or three other people playing along". That's really not much of a statement, you can just as soon say "Watching paint dry is dull, but with a group of friends all watching at the same time, it's a blast!". At the end of the day a mediocre game is a mediocre game by yourself or with a group, whihc is why I'm holding little hope for this one.
 
[quote name='Dante Devil']I was not trying to slam the Wii, my kids love Raving Rabbids, Wario Ware, and Tony Hawk's DHJ (a CAG find). I want to see more games like Twilight Princess that are fun and difficult to put down.

I know the PS3 is not heavy with top notch games, but it does have something I am interested in, and that is a Blu-Ray player and HDMI. I would probably using my PS3 as more as a movie player and wait for the games to eventually to come out.[/quote]

Give Super Paper Mario a try.
 
[quote name='io']It's all a matter of opinion I suppose. I want a PS3 too, but then I look at the release list and don't see a single game worth purchasing for the system out now, to be released this year, or even announced for 2008.[/QUOTE]

Little Big Planet looks like a rollicking good time, and I'm sure there will be one or two really decent games for it during the holiday season, but otherwise I'm not interested in the PS3 either. Don't want/need blu ray, don't have a HDTV, etc., etc. For me, I'm not all about the PS-Triple. I'm talkin' 'bout the PS-Double.

Games-wise, the Wii60 concept is still the only way to go, and will be for some time to come, and for as harsh as my opinons about Nintendo's line-up may be, I do have to concede that they're at least putting stuff out there that's enjoyable, even if it's not earth-shattering.

[quote name='spmahn']Unless Mario Party 8 is spectacular, I'm likely going to pass. The reviews for the last few games in the series have all been the same "It's kind of dull by yourself, but it's fun with two or three other people playing along". That's really not much of a statement, you can just as soon say "Watching paint dry is dull, but with a group of friends all watching at the same time, it's a blast!". At the end of the day a mediocre game is a mediocre game by yourself or with a group, whihc is why I'm holding little hope for this one.[/QUOTE]

That's really not fair to the Mario Party franchise. Yes, if you don't have anyone around to play with, it's kind of a waste of shelf space, but with friends gathered around, it can be absolutely awesome. It does inviting, competitive fun better than any other franchise, period. Perhaps its greatest achievement is how it provides a balance that keeps less-skilled players in the race but without overly pissing off the better players.
 
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