Worst attitude towards his audience - I nominate George Lucas

As someone who remembers seeing Empire and Jedi in the theaters I can honestly say I enjoyed the prequels. Sure, the acting was terrible (for the most part), the script seemed like it was written by a high school kid who just finished freshman English and the special effects were completely overdone but they were entertaining at least. I almost wet myself during the first 15 minutes of Phantom Menace during the badass lightsaber fight - too bad the rest of the movie didn't match the opening. I do think Lucas should have handed his "outline" over to a more contemporary director who could have done something to connect to today's audience though.

Can you believe it's been almost 10 years since Episode I?
 
Not to get off-topic, but if you all want to see how good Episode 3 could've been, track down the novel by Matthew Stover. The way he paints Anakin's fall and the collapse of everything in his life is worlds better than what came across on the screen.

For the record, of the three prequels I liked 3 the best but it still paled in comparison to the original trilogy.
 
[quote name='javeryh']As someone who remembers seeing Empire and Jedi in the theaters I can honestly say I enjoyed the prequels. Sure, the acting was terrible (for the most part), the script seemed like it was written by a high school kid who just finished freshman English and the special effects were completely overdone but they were entertaining at least. I almost wet myself during the first 15 minutes of Phantom Menace during the badass lightsaber fight - too bad the rest of the movie didn't match the opening. I do think Lucas should have handed his "outline" over to a more contemporary director who could have done something to connect to today's audience though.

Can you believe it's been almost 10 years since Episode I?[/QUOTE]


Even more-so for me would be the huge Jedi fight at the end of Episode 2. For anyone who grew up with the movies and wondered what a horde of Jedi would look like kicking ass together, we finally got our wish.
 
I know nothing of star wars.....other than I hate it.

But why is jar jar consider racist? It was stupid....but I didnt link it to race at all.

And seriously.....star wars fans are annoying as hell I would be pissed to.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Everyone here has some very good points against Lucas, but you got to admit, if it wasn't for him doing star wars, there would be no ILM or any other special effects company out there that was "Inspired" by star wars and the work of ILM.[/quote]
Hey guys, did you know that if you turn cardboard boxes and paint pails upside down and paint them all the same color and pour sand on them they look like a space port? Also, you can smear petroleum jelly on a camera lens to obscure wheels to make a vehicle appear to fly? Did you also know that if you place a cardboard cutout on the horizon it looks like a furry beast standing on a sand dune?


Yes... truly inspired.

[quote name='Soodmeg']I know nothing of star wars.....other than I hate it.

But why is jar jar consider racist? It was stupid....but I didnt link it to race at all.

And seriously.....star wars fans are annoying as hell I would be pissed to.[/quote]

Yousa don' get why he be a racist, mas'a?

Jar Jar would have gotten a totally different reaction if it was a black guy... which, coincidentally, the actor that was the CGI stand in was.

[quote name='Strell']Huh?

I require some serious explanation on this one. Unless you are purely saying that he can not do that, and you are thankful for it. I'm just making sure there's not something here I'm missing.[/quote]


More or less just saying I'm glad he can't
 
[quote name='javeryh']As someone who remembers seeing Empire and Jedi in the theaters I can honestly say I enjoyed the prequels. Sure, the acting was terrible (for the most part), the script seemed like it was written by a high school kid who just finished freshman English and the special effects were completely overdone but they were entertaining at least. I almost wet myself during the first 15 minutes of Phantom Menace during the badass lightsaber fight - too bad the rest of the movie didn't match the opening. I do think Lucas should have handed his "outline" over to a more contemporary director who could have done something to connect to today's audience though.

Can you believe it's been almost 10 years since Episode I?[/QUOTE]

I agree, that opening sequence in Phantom Menace was absolutely thrilling to me. It brought back all those childhood memories of seeing the first movie (and the complete surprise that was Empire Strikes Back). But FINALLY, we got to see what real Jedi could do and it was very well done. The movie also finishes up pretty solidly (double fight vs Darth Maul, seeing the emperor eyeing Anakin for his potential). I think Episode III was handled decently, but the whole transition of Anakin to Vader just seemed a little too rushed and not as weighty as it should have been. In retrospect he should have ditched child Anakin in the first movie and spent more time focusing on Anakin's descent over the 3 movies, instead of barely starting that half way through Ep II (except for the ominous back-talk to Obi-Wan at the beginning of AotC :roll:).

Episode I came along at an interesting time for me. I was jobless for about 3 months after it came out (the only time since graduating from college) and my daughter was just hitting the age where she could see movies with me. We went to about 4 or 5 afternoon matinees. While I understand the hate for Jar-Jar he was an entertaining character for her ;). Anyway, I will always have fond memories of it because of all those circumstances. All in all I'm glad the prequels got made vs NOT being made at all as they were certainly entertaining enough - just wish, as most people do, that they were a bit better.

I feel kind of bad for all you youngsters with all your shiny objects and fancy video games - I couldn't imagine being so jaded (like Soodmeg there). Other than occasional moments in the prequels, the only thing that has come close to capturing the feel of the original Star Wars movies for me in recent times is the LOTR trilogy - and that had childhood connections for me as well since the last time I had read it was when I was 10-13 or so. While I can't be too happy about approaching 40, I am certainly glad I was able to have the experience of going into the original Star Wars completely unawares as to what I was going to see and being, of course, completely blown away. That opening scene may not look like much now but back then that thundering space battle with the huge Imperial cruiser passing overhead was incredible. Then that was followed up by the darker Empire Strikes Back, which was also a complete surprise - and also corresponded to my becoming a bit older and more primed for the darker story. Though I remember not believing Vader was Luke's father until confirmed in RotJ. I just couldn't believe it was actually true - figured he was just playing with him. See, there were no Internets back then so beyond a few fan magazines (I think I got the fan club one for a while) there was very little info that came out before the sequels. In some ways I kind of miss all of that...
 
[quote name='Strell']2001: Space Odyssey was made before Star Wars and had some pretty awesome special effects, so I don't really believe what you're saying here either.

Again, I'm not discrediting. I'm just saying he's not the only person with a vision for computerized grafmogix. [/QUOTE]

Outside of what most think of as 'CGI' for special effects, the primary advancement made by ILM in the first movie was computer-controlled movement of the camera. It allowed for careful manipulation of the camera with the use of models, so it was a great leap forward in an extremely traditional form of 'special effects.'

Didn't mean to pick on you, Strell, but you had the quote I thought appropriate. :)
 
[quote name='Jek Porkins']Outside of what most think of as 'CGI' for special effects, the primary advancement made by ILM in the first movie was computer-controlled movement of the camera. It allowed for careful manipulation of the camera with the use of models, so it was a great leap forward in an extremely traditional form of 'special effects.'

Didn't mean to pick on you, Strell, but you had the quote I thought appropriate. :)[/quote]

Porkins didn't you die during the death star attack run?

:bouncy:
 
[quote name='Halo05']Not to get off-topic, but if you all want to see how good Episode 3 could've been, track down the novel by Matthew Stover. The way he paints Anakin's fall and the collapse of everything in his life is worlds better than what came across on the screen.[/quote]

I always felt there was a great story screaming to be told underneath all of the crappy dialogue and poorly done political intrigue.

The script was way too gratuitious with the Anakin-Amadala love affair and consequently didn't explain Anakin's descent.

I just don't see how someone could go from a Class A idealist protecting a senator against a justified but illegal execution to a guy who murders a bunch of kids. Plus the story didn't make much sense afterwards - if someone really did something like that, then I don't care who their former friends and lovers were - they would be a pariah, an outcast, because is there anything more despicable? Yet Obi Wan keeps giving him a chance a redemption - yeah right, F that.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Porkins didn't you die during the death star attack run?

:bouncy:[/quote]

From Jek to Jaba, it's never a good thing to be the fat guy in a Lucas movie :lol:
 
[quote name='Mr_hockey66']Ive seen two kids argue for about a day about a prop in one movie or scene was called somethign while the other argued that it was called a something different made by some other person. I mean come on the damn prop in the background was on the screen for two seconds. What difference does it make if its a blastec 9 or a humdinger iv[/quote]
This describes the entirety of my childhood...
 
[quote name='camoor']From Jek to Jaba, it's never a good thing to be the fat guy in a Lucas movie :lol:[/quote]

Or one of his (adopted) children playing a none speaking role for that matter.
 
[quote name='Kayden']



Yousa don' get why he be a racist, mas'a?

Jar Jar would have gotten a totally different reaction if it was a black guy... which, coincidentally, the actor that was the CGI stand in was.




More or less just saying I'm glad he can't[/quote]

Still dont get it. I have never seen the movie...just a couple parts featuring him. I thought his voice was really high pitched..I dont remember thinking I was listening to an illiterate slave. (if that is what you implied.)


Ah.....there goes my quota of 2 star war questions each decade.
 
All the talk about effects, that's what ruined the movie. His movies are "fake" looking for a large portion. Jar Jar being a prime example. WETA is so much more skilled. Gollum is superior to any entirely CGI Star Wars character, like Watto.

Like comparing Pitch Black to Alien. Pitch Black was not scary at all because it was so obvious the creatures were fake, while in Alien it was enough to give you nightmares because you could physically touch it. Or even the I Am Legend movie where it edged past the line into garbage territory because of unecessary CGI for already humanlike villains. The worst part about that movie was the Mummy-style facial expressions. Compare I Am Legend to 28 Days Later.
 
Personally I had nothing against Jar Jar and his accent... I don't think it was Lucas' goal to be racist by making Jar Jar sound like a Black Jamaican with speech problems. But no, everyone had to bitch how Lucas was being racist to all Jamacian's more than how useless the character was in the movie. The end result was Jar Jar scenes being short in the second movie, to only a small on screen cameo in the last movie. If Jar Jar was black skinned, ok make all the comments you want, but he was he wasn't.

jarjarbinks.jpg
 
WHAT!!?!?!

Jar was suppose to be a Jamaican? You would think me....as an actually Jamaican would have picked up on that right away.

Ah well. Still only slightly even care. Again I thought his voice was really high pitched.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']WHAT!!?!?!

Jar was suppose to be a Jamaican? You would think me....as an actually Jamaican would have picked up on that right away.

Ah well. Still only slightly even care. Again I thought his voice was really high pitched.[/quote]


no no... Jar Jar was suppose to be a Gungan. Just too many Jamaicans took it the wrong way. The actor who provided the voice Ahmed Best was black. :roll:
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']The end result was Jar Jar scenes being short in the second movie, to only a small on screen cameo in the last movie. If Jar Jar was black skinned, ok make all the comments you want, but he was he wasn't.[/QUOTE]

Let's not forget in that short role in Episode II Jar Jar essentially brought down the entire Republic.
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']Let's not forget in that short role in Episode II Jar Jar essentially brought down the entire Republic.[/quote]

What did he do exactly? I wasn't watching too closely.
 
[quote name='camoor']What did he do exactly? I wasn't watching too closely.[/quote]


Basically with Padme and Skywalker hiding making out on Naboo, she left Gungan Representative Jar Jar Binks to speak on behalf of Naboo and the Senator.
Palpatine knew the Gungan was an idiot and could easily be manipulated so Jar Jar thought he was doing the right thing by giving the necessary vote Palpatine so he could have his "Emergency Powers" and use the Clones to save the jedi and the Senator. Padme was the only one standing in the way of getting that and with her away from the senate, he finally was getting the power he waited so long to get to start the Clone Wars.

Spike tv is running it tomorrow at 8pm again.
 
[quote name='umcthomas']As a self-admitted fanboy... I will say this in defense of Lucas: he allows fans to be fans. You will not find him suing anyone over being a fan and making fan art/ fan fiction/fan anything. As long as you aren't making money, he's cool with it. If more people were that cool about their fans, more cult movie followings would become this huge.[/QUOTE]

The alternative to this (see: J.K. Rowling) can be ugly.

In fact, I'd argue that the fact that Lucas allows his fans to use his creation as a springboard for theirs makes the title point moot. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many other directors or artists who are that accepting of fan-made media.
 
[quote name='Gothic Walrus']The alternative to this (see: J.K. Rowling) can be ugly.

In fact, I'd argue that the fact that Lucas allows his fans to use his creation as a springboard for theirs makes the title point moot. Off the top of my head, I can't think of many other directors or artists who are that accepting of fan-made media.[/quote]

Is Paramount still being a tight ass about fan films? I know there are a few made but didn't know if Paramount has them shut down.
 
some of the fan stuff is better then any of the real stuff. Has anyone seen the video where the old jedi takes on about 15 dark jedi at once. He cuts one in half then force pushes the cut halfs into two other dark jedi. That was sweet.

I do like how george actually sits down every year and gives an award for best fan movie. He sits down and watches the stuff. That is cool. I bet he steals ideas though.
 
I worked on two sw fan films myself...both of directors thought they were the next "lucas". One had a script/story that made no fucking sense and had the worse audio ever, the second had apparently a "bigger" budget for bigger location shots, more storm troopers, effects and so on. fucking idiot put it all on his credit cards (rumored to be more than 60k, but only claiming to be 20k) for a 45 minute fan film. Did it help him or his career? or anyone who work on the project? Nope.

I am sorry there is no way I would put that much money into a "fan" movie if I had two kids and a wife to support.

The sandwiches his wife made on location where pretty good though.

I have pictures here somewhere, give me a bit to find them.
 
I don't know if it was ever mentioned in a book or whatever, but how much did the clone wars cost for the Republic and Separatists?

Which was more expensive? A Droid Army or a Clone Army?
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I worked on two sw fan films myself...both of directors thought they were the next "lucas". One had a script/story that made no fucking sense and had the worse audio ever, the second had apparently a "bigger" budget for bigger location shots, more storm troopers, effects and so on. fucking idiot put it all on his credit cards (rumored to be more than 60k, but only claiming to be 20k) for a 45 minute fan film. Did it help him or his career? or anyone who work on the project? Nope.

I am sorry there is no way I would put that much money into a "fan" movie if I had two kids and a wife to support.

The sandwiches his wife made on location where pretty good though.

I have pictures here somewhere, give me a bit to find them.[/QUOTE]

Hey, can you say what the fan film's name is? I want to see what a 60k fan film looks like.
 
[quote name='Sofa King Kool']I really don't know why everyone shits all over the newer Star Wars movies. I thought they were great, although the acting was a little static; and Jar Jar does suck...a lot.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Episode 3 is not only my favorite Star Wars movie but one of my favorite science fiction movies in general.

I think my favorite quote of Lucas was something to the effect of "Star Wars movies were created for children" I mean don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with adults being interested in media targeted at children but it helps to put things in perspective. Its pretty obvious that when Lucas was younger he had something to prove so he tried to make the original series as wide-ranging as possible to show people that science fiction could appeal to the masses. Now that he's older he wants to make movies that are going to entertain his children.

There was damn near 20 years between the movies, did we really want a rehash of the movies of 20 years ago? I know I didn't and I was happy with the new trilogy.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']I don't know if it was ever mentioned in a book or whatever, but how much did the clone wars cost for the Republic and Separatists?

Which was more expensive? A Droid Army or a Clone Army?[/quote]


There were fewer clones than there were droids, although the number of droids was never disclosed. But on a per unit basis, I really couldn't say. Droids have smaller sunk costs than clones (I would assume factories and R&D in computer science and engineering would be less expensive than cloning factories and R&D in cloning). However, comparing droids' and clones' marginal cost, I think they'd be similarly expensive. Droids have sophisticated parts and systems and presumably gobble up tons of energy, while clones have an equally expensive rigorous development cycle.
 
[quote name='c0rnpwn']There were fewer clones than there were droids, although the number of droids was never disclosed. But on a per unit basis, I really couldn't say. Droids have smaller sunk costs than clones (I would assume factories and R&D in computer science and engineering would be less expensive than cloning factories and R&D in cloning). However, comparing droids' and clones' marginal cost, I think they'd be similarly expensive. Droids have sophisticated parts and systems and presumably gobble up tons of energy, while clones have an equally expensive rigorous development cycle.[/quote]

Any math cags want to chime in on this? I would take it that the republic had more credits and resources than the Separatists did before the war. Surprisingly the clones took way too much time to grow vs building the Droid army. It takes a few hours to build an army of Droids vs a few years to grow, train and prep a clone army. The droid army should have devastated the republic with their shear numbers.

[quote name='doctorfaustus']Hey, can you say what the fan film's name is? I want to see what a 60k fan film looks like.[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Revelations

To this day the director is still full of himself and still producing "sci fi" films for the web as no one will pick up his shit.
 
I mean, how can a guy get to all those houses in one night? And what about houses that don't have chimneys? Those kids get jack? It's just nuts and I don't buy into any of it.
 
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