Would like to know the difference between HD and Standard?

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PROLIFE333

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I know what they are...but is the how much difference does it make? I want to get a new tv...but I am having a hard time doing it because I just dont know what the difference will be. Can someone help me out. Any video or screens or just some honest opinions. Also...which brand televisions are the best? Thanks.
 
That's great and all, but I would rather an opinion from a gamer. Not some guy/girl trying to make money off of me because I lack knowledge about what he/she is selling. I dont plan of watching tv on this one. Just playing games.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Pictures dont do it justice, you have to see it for your self. Here's some comparisons on HD vs SD

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=483204[/QUOTE]

i agree, walk into a best buy or circuit city (for example) and just look....

it took me about a month to finally figure out what tv to get.... alot of driving and looking around (and looking at my bank account) but it was worth it in the end....
 
I know that sometimes the text can be difficult to see on SD sets in some games (i.e. Dead Rising). The image will be crisper on an HD set than a standard set. If you are using it for games, try to get a set with a quick refresh rate because I hear that is important for games.
 
[quote name='ejgarc']I know that sometimes the text can be difficult to see on SD sets in some games (i.e. Dead Rising). The image will be crisper on an HD set than a standard set. If you are using it for games, try to get a set with a quick refresh rate because I hear that is important for games.[/QUOTE]

refresh rate is on LCDs. Just get an LCD with at least 8ms refresh time. Most are 4ms nowadays.
 
[quote name='Graystone'] Most are 4ms nowadays.[/QUOTE]

That is not true. Most sets, even the brand new Samsungs with crazy contrast ratios for LCD's, refresh at 8ms. The only reasonably priced ones that are faster are the Sharps at 5ms, but I hear alot of bad things about them. Even the Sony XBR2 has a refresh of 8ms and a dynamic contrast of 7000:1. The new Samsungs are better and cheaper with a 15000:1 dynamic contrast, but still an 8ms refresh rate.
 
Well...it will be in my bedroom. The room is about 12 x 12 maybe. I lay in front of the tv about 6 feet away. If that makes a difference.
 
Personally, I would go with a 32" or 40" tops but that doesn't mean that is what you might want for yourself. There are some people that always like to sit at the front row of a movie theater. :D
 
[quote name='PROLIFE333']What is the best brand out there? I noticed the sanyo and Visco are the cheapest.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the are the cheapest but are on the lower end spec wise. Some people care about that and some don't. Visios and Westinghouse sets are very popular around here, but Im personally not a fan of theirs.

I use a 32" for my bedroom set and its about 6ft from where its usually viewed at, and I think that size is almost perfect.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']Personally, I would go with a 32" or 40" tops but that doesn't mean that is what you might want for yourself. There are some people that always like to sit at the front row of a movie theater. :D[/QUOTE]

WTF???

6 feet away and you suggest a 40"?

Get an HD set OP. Do what the others suggested. Its funny that you want a gamers' opinion, this gives us the assumption that you're a gamer, yet you don't know the difference between an SD and HD set...I'm just sayin'.

If you're really that close I doubt you need anything bigger than like a 32".
 
There are sometimes with my 32" that I debate if I should have gone 40". I mainly use that set for watching movies, and on a 2:35:1 movie, it gets a little small for my taste.

Like I said, size is all a matter of personal preference.
 
What does that mean? I have yet to see an Hd tv while in action. I play games on a standard tv. I know what each means...I dont know the difference in quality. Why should I? I have yet to see it. Gamers play on all sorts of tvs.
 
[quote name='PROLIFE333']I know what they are...but is the how much difference does it make? I want to get a new tv...but I am having a hard time doing it because I just dont know what the difference will be. Can someone help me out. Any video or screens or just some honest opinions. Also...which brand televisions are the best? Thanks.[/quote]

Make sure you get a HD TV that is capable of at least a 1080i resolution. Many HD TVs are billed as HD but are only capable of 720p (better than SD but not true HD). Cable and satellite TV providers broadcast their HD channels in 1080i. Something to consider...
 
[quote name='shadoz19']Make sure you get a HD TV that is capable of at least a 1080i resolution. Many HD TVs are billed as HD but are only capable of 720p (better than SD but not true HD). Cable and satellite TV providers broadcast their HD channels in 1080i. Something to consider...[/QUOTE]
:roll: 720p is HD
 
Wii does 480p I think, PS2 probably does 480i and p, and 360 does all the HD's. I recently bought a 23" HDTV refurbed for 350$ shipped and love it for my 360, but my PS2 is pretty bad looking on it. Wii, no idea, but it's suppose to support 16:9 and 480p so it'd probably look pretty good too. The bars is what annoys me.
 
[quote name='shadoz19']Make sure you get a HD TV that is capable of at least a 1080i resolution. Many HD TVs are billed as HD but are only capable of 720p (better than SD but not true HD). Cable and satellite TV providers broadcast their HD channels in 1080i. Something to consider...[/QUOTE]

All HDTV's can do 1080i. CRT's can not display 720p, but there is no current model HDTV out that does not display in 1080i. And as anomynous stated 720p is 100% high definition.
 
I suggest a CRT HDTV from Sony, notably an XBR960. Picturewise for now it will be the best for a while until SED's come. Best blacks et al, just the perfect picture. LCD's, Plasma's and DLP's can't do the blacks CRT's can.
Also like Rodeo and others said 720p IS HD.
As for noticing a difference between HD and SD on video you'll definitely notice a picture difference if it was shot in HD and delivered at a proper bitrate. You'll definitely notice on nature shows if this is the case. I also suggest checking out Letterman OTA.
 
CRT's do have the best blacks, but higher end LCDs and Plasmas are getting closer and closer. I personally would sacrifice the little bit of black levels now and not have to deal with the other issues CRT's have such as resolution and geometry settings. Bowing and bad geometry on tubes drives me crazy. I would read up here before jumping on a CRT.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=64
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']CRT's do have the best blacks, but higher end LCDs and Plasmas are getting closer and closer. I personally would sacrifice the little bit of black levels now and not have to deal with the other issues CRT's have such as resolution and geometry settings. Bowing and bad geometry on tubes drives me crazy. I would read up here before jumping on a CRT.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=64[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't and those issues didn't seem to be present on my CRT except I don't notice anything impressive on PS usually for me, at least on the GC. Personally I'd wanna kill myself if an inferior technology like any of those took CRT's place with SED nowhere in sight. I don't mind the option of those others but I'll be danged if Joe Blow consumer fucks us with buying an inferior technology, giving videophiles no options.
If this happens I hope a serious videophile market crops up around the 15 thou mark.
 
[quote name='rodeojones903']All HDTV's can do 1080i. CRT's can not display 720p, but there is no current model HDTV out that does not display in 1080i.[/QUOTE]

Wait, so my 720p LCD set can do 1080i? Isn't the res too low? I'm confused.
 
[quote name='PhreQuencYViii']Wait, so my 720p LCD set can do 1080i? Isn't the res too low? I'm confused.[/QUOTE]
1080i is higher than 720p
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']Pictures dont do it justice, you have to see it for your self. Here's some comparisons on HD vs SD

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=483204[/quote]

I actually like the last SD version of Kong better than the other one. Other than that HD IS better...but it's really not as much better as I would expect it to be...I don't really see a reason to go out and spend extra to get HD. (Widescreen part would be nice though lol)

So ya...I think you should definitely go out and check it out for yourself...I should too... I always look at pics like this and get turned away thinking it's not worth it.
 
I think I was a little misunderstood in my previous post. 720p is HD but the quality is obviously not the same as 1080i. Most cable tv and sattelite tv providers broadcast HD content in 1080i. The point I'm making is 1080i is gonna be the main standard for HD, so why spend a big chunk of change for less than that?
 
I had a 30-inch HD CRT and got rid of it for a 32-inch Westinghouse 32w6. The geometry issues were killing me. And, I would highly recommend that Westinghouse. Everything — at least to me — looks fantastic on it. And you can get one for about $699 retail at Best Buy (and even less if you're a true CAG). I think it got mine for around $575 or so with RZ coupons.
 
[quote name='shadoz19']I think I was a little misunderstood in my previous post. 720p is HD but the quality is obviously not the same as 1080i. Most cable tv and sattelite tv providers broadcast HD content in 1080i. The point I'm making is 1080i is gonna be the main standard for HD, so why spend a big chunk of change for less than that?[/QUOTE]

If there was the same content being broadcast to two of the same HDTVs, one of them in 1080i and one in 720p, you would hardly tell a difference. Most people would think it is exactly the same. Its not near a big of difference you are making it out to be.
 
720p >1080i in my opinion. Fox Sports in 720p looks far better than NBC and CBS in 1080i.

I think what systems you are playing is a a very valid question. If you are future proofing, make sure you get a set that can do 720p, because if it can, it can do 1080i as well. Plus, the native resolution of the XBOX 360 and the PS3 are both 720p. Better to match your set to the console. The XBOX can also do 720p and 1080i, but only on select games.
 
Ok.

You have stated that you want to spend 500-600 dollars.
You have stated that you want to sit 6 feet away, and that it is in a bedroom.
You are visiting this site, so you want the best value for your dollar, and have done the right thing by coming to the internet, before a retailer.

So.

You should find a hdtv that is between 36-42".

At that size, the difference between 720p and 1080p is negliable. So don't worry about 1080p. You also don't have the budget for one. (I don't either, don't take it as an insult).

You should read up on all the different technologies and general hdtv information. Spend atleast 2 weeks just reading everything you can from various websites.
IGN has a really good regular feature, just go to gear.ign.com.

I would recommend narrowing down a few tv's that you want and just look for a deal at fatwallet, or the weekly ads.
 
32" is the right size and right price point for you. All 32" LCDs will do 720p and 1080i. 1080p is overkill for such a small set.

Other things to consider: do you want to get HD over-the-air? You need an ATSC tuner. Do you want HD cable channels that are broadcast in the clear (i.e., without the need for a cable box)? You need one with a QAM tuner.

I've got a 32" LCD and it's just right for my living room (the room is narrow and long).

Make sure you get a t.v. with enough connections. At least one of each of the major ones (composite, component and HDMI). More is better of course, but you can, and probably should, get an AV receiver if you need more than the standard.
 
Great chart from EngadgetHD from a while back:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/

The difference past 720p really isn't going to be noticed by your average consumer. And in my opinion, progressive scan is ALWAYS going to be better than an interlaced picture, so 720p>1080i. You're most likely going to notice the 720p looking better for just about everything except for still images, especially for gaming. ;)
 
[quote name='halfbent']Great chart from EngadgetHD from a while back:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/09/1080p-charted-viewing-distance-to-screen-size/

The difference past 720p really isn't going to be noticed by your average consumer. And in my opinion, progressive scan is ALWAYS going to be better than an interlaced picture, so 720p>1080i. You're most likely going to notice the 720p looking better for just about everything except for still images, especially for gaming. ;)[/QUOTE]
I don't think there's a consensus about whether 720p or 1080i is ALWAYS better. My sense is that 720p is better for faster moving things like sports or games and 1080i better for casual viewing.
 
[quote name='Stryffe2004']720p >1080i in my opinion. Fox Sports in 720p looks far better than NBC and CBS in 1080i.

I think what systems you are playing is a a very valid question. If you are future proofing, make sure you get a set that can do 720p, because if it can, it can do 1080i as well. Plus, the native resolution of the XBOX 360 and the PS3 are both 720p. Better to match your set to the console. The XBOX can also do 720p and 1080i, but only on select games.[/quote]

Way too much for me.
 
SED can't be dead until it is alive in the first place. There are no sets available.


[quote name='rodeojones903']That is not true. Most sets, even the brand new Samsungs with crazy contrast ratios for LCD's, refresh at 8ms. The only reasonably priced ones that are faster are the Sharps at 5ms, but I hear alot of bad things about them. [/QUOTE]

The only really bad thing about the Sharps is the screen uniformity/banding, which is unrelated to refresh rate. True, the banding is a dealbreaker for many people (including myself), but besides that the picture quality is generally very high.


[quote name='Graystone']refresh rate is on LCDs. Just get an LCD with at least 8ms refresh time. Most are 4ms nowadays.[/QUOTE]

Just a minor correction - you want at MOST an 8ms refresh rate, not at least.
 
[quote name='torifile']I don't think there's a consensus about whether 720p or 1080i is ALWAYS better. My sense is that 720p is better for faster moving things like sports or games and 1080i better for casual viewing.[/quote]
Indeed, there will always be someone to argue it. That's why it's just an opinion. Everything has positives and negatives. =)

It's just fun to argue with someone that says 1080p and even 1080i in some people, is absolutely, end all, no questions asked, better than 720p. Then you ask them to prove it, and show them both, and they can't even tell you why or point out why it's better. The PS3 marketing got a chuckle from me because of the True HD points or whatever they were pushing. If only we all had IMAX screens to play our game on! :drool:
 
[quote name='radjago']The correct answer is 614400 pixels. I would also accept 1766400 pixels.

And Sarang, SED's dead, baby. SED's dead.[/QUOTE]

I hope Canon ends up selling em' for whatever they must for a profit. I'm willing to pay $20K for a 50" one even.
 
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