X360 HD-DVD Games for 2007?

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Microsoft hasn’t determined yet whether to do Xbox 360 games in blue-laser HD-DVD, but has ruled it out for “this holiday” when it ships its HD DVD drive for movie playback through the XBOX 360, said Dave Luehmann, gen. mgr. - Microsoft Games Studios. “Speed of loading” is Microsoft’s big concern about HD DVD games on the Xbox 360, Luehmann said.
http://www.xboxic.com/news/1437#more-1437

I actually do want this to happen. I know its an add-on but I think if they can add more as far as bigger games, better graphics, better sound, better everything they might need to go down that route to compete with blu-ray.

Your thoughts?
 
My thoughts are, if it happens, I'll go buy the X360 with the built in HD-DVD drive that they'll put out at that time.

I give HD-DVD games on the 360 about a 30% chance of happening at best.
 
It wouldn't happen like that if they did do it because people without the HD-DVD add on would bitch (and rightfully so IMO) that their DVD version of 'Game X' doesn't look as good as the HD-DVD version, or the HD-DVD version has high definition cutscenes or extra languages or something.

I think if they did do it it would be like Superman the game + the movie in HD on the flip side or something like that. Either that or games that might eventually need 2 DVDs just get one HD-DVD.

While I like the idea of more storage space for games, I don't like the way MS is doing this. They decide to use DVD and then announce an HD-DVD player add on but say that it won't be used for games. Now they are considering using it for games?

Nope, at this point in the game doing something like this would just piss people off unless they released every game that had an HD-DVD version in a DVD version as well and no significant differences between the two.
 
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They did say that HDD wouldn't be required. According the screenshot above its required for this game.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']
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They did say that HDD wouldn't be required. According the screenshot above its required for this game.[/QUOTE]

oooooooooo, I want that game too.

On topic: Would it piss me off that they keep lying? Yes. Would I bitch and moan because they are trying to offer a top notch quality game which technology that is just coming available and I don't have to wait for their next high priced system? No. I would still have to wait and see the differences and advantages before I can make a decision but if it seems reasonable and it would enhance my Game playing enjoyment, I'm all for it. I won't be paying much more than I pay now for games that's for damn sure. But, I am planning on buying the HD-DVD drive either way so I would'nt have to worry about the add-on at that point.
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']
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They did say that HDD wouldn't be required. According the screenshot above its required for this game.[/QUOTE]


This could say or memory card? Or is it too large?
 
wouldn't support it, if the 360hd unit didn't have hdmi outputs...I call BS on the visual quality with componet and hdmi being equal. I have comcast hd tuner, I had componet and then I got the hdmi cables. I got a hell of a lot better picture. If they won't give me the option to use my tv to the best possible option, I will not invest in any of there add ons or hd dvd system
 
[quote name='ryanbph']wouldn't support it, if the 360hd unit didn't have hdmi outputs...I call BS on the visual quality with componet and hdmi being equal. I have comcast hd tuner, I had componet and then I got the hdmi cables. I got a hell of a lot better picture. If they won't give me the option to use my tv to the best possible option, I will not invest in any of there add ons or hd dvd system[/quote]

Well it gets more confusing:

No HDMI in sight." It also said that Microsoft would be releasing a cable to support 1080p video output. However, "Little more information is known on [1080 output] or if there will be a gaming performance impact."

http://www.gamespot.com/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=24902136&sid=6155872
 
man i get scared of all these addons.....

i would like for the hd dvd to come out etc and possibly offer games... but it could backfire..addons never really do well.

Unless they make it optional as in the hd-dvd will be backwards compatible with the regular dvd drives. Ive seen movies hd dvd movies which work on dvd as well i think
 
I really don't think it's a good idea. The reason that the HD is required for some games is because pretty much everyone has the thing. There's a very select few that don't have the hard drive so that won't affect sales too much and it really is a very tiny number of games that require the HD. So what's the difference between requiring the HD and requiring the HD DVD drive? $200 that everyone will have to shell out. The story might've been different if MS had the drive available at launch or if the drive was included in a bundle. Then, people would've known from the start that they might be needing the HD DVD drive and at the very least, it would've been available for them and a viable option for developers.

But that's simply not the case. We're here almost a year after the 360 was first released and MS is just now revealing details on an HD DVD drive that will cost another $200 for consumers. The average consumer isn't going to care. He's already paid $400 for his system, so why would he want to shell out another $200 to play maybe one or two games that take advantage of an HD DVD drive? The only audience for such a device is movie aficionados (and they'd probably buy a standalone player anyway) and really, really, really hardcore gamers who are willing to spend $200 for the ability to play a couple new games and then an additional $60 for each one of those games. As a result, developers would have almost no audience for a game on HD DVD. It'd be wildly impractical to develop a game on HD DVD because so few people would care about it much less consider buying it.

It just doesn't make sense for the average consumer to buy an HD DVD drive for the 360 just for the ability to play a couple new games which is why it ultimately will never happen.
 
Horrible idea if it's true you can't just modify a system just cause PS3 with a Bluray the truth it doesn't matter. And I'm already going crazy with load times I don't need more.
 
The only way it could happen is if they bundled a sure fire blockbuster with it. $200 for an HD-DVD drive and an enhanced Halo 3 or even the Halo movie (if it doesn't suck) would sell.
 
I heard that, how many add on devices have turned out to be successfull (ok the gamecube gba player is pretty freaking sweet), but that aside I can think of none. Wait hold on wasn't the Nintedo 64 cd drive good? Oh wait that turned out to be the playstation :)
 
[quote name='Chacrana']I really don't think it's a good idea. The reason that the HD is required for some games is because pretty much everyone has the thing. There's a very select few that don't have the hard drive so that won't affect sales too much and it really is a very tiny number of games that require the HD. So what's the difference between requiring the HD and requiring the HD DVD drive? $200 that everyone will have to shell out. The story might've been different if MS had the drive available at launch or if the drive was included in a bundle. Then, people would've known from the start that they might be needing the HD DVD drive and at the very least, it would've been available for them and a viable option for developers.

But that's simply not the case. We're here almost a year after the 360 was first released and MS is just now revealing details on an HD DVD drive that will cost another $200 for consumers. The average consumer isn't going to care. He's already paid $400 for his system, so why would he want to shell out another $200 to play maybe one or two games that take advantage of an HD DVD drive? The only audience for such a device is movie aficionados (and they'd probably buy a standalone player anyway) and really, really, really hardcore gamers who are willing to spend $200 for the ability to play a couple new games and then an additional $60 for each one of those games. As a result, developers would have almost no audience for a game on HD DVD. It'd be wildly impractical to develop a game on HD DVD because so few people would care about it much less consider buying it.

It just doesn't make sense for the average consumer to buy an HD DVD drive for the 360 just for the ability to play a couple new games which is why it ultimately will never happen.[/QUOTE]


Everyone is looking at this in a whole different way than what it is. All these posts are kind of all to one side or the other. Nobody is really saying I'll wait and see what they have to offer. I keep hearing, that it's bullshit and MS lied and they will lose me as a customer. Well, honestly, you don't have to buy it if you don't want to. It's not like they are making you buy it to make your 360 work. If you bought the 360 at launch or a month ago, you bought it because that system was what you wanted at that time. If it changes and you want what it has to offer later then you make the decision and upgrade.

I want this drive for the HD movie capabilities until a better stand alone DVD players come along at a lower price. I made the, well not mistake but, early decision to pay $500 for a single disc DVD player back in '98. I got a great player for the time but it was missing many of the features that the players had just a few months later for the same price or even lower. So, for many this would be a great opportunity to be able to watch HD movies. Now for games being exclusive and if they don't come out for both formats (DVD & HD) that it will fail. Yes, yes it probably will but that doesn't mean they aren't offering you something worth it. Impratical? Maybe. But what makes this different than the add-ons that Nintendo, Sony, Sega all try and puch on us since the early 80's? Nothing but that this may actually be worth it and this could be more attainable to more than those 32x's were or Sega CD's. Back then I couldn't afford that kind of money and the games sucked to boot. Those games weren't available on both formats(cartirdge & CD). If you wanted to play them you had to buy the new player. I see as this is a pleasant alternative not the only road in sight. They aren't going to stop making regular 360 games unless I missed something.

Well maybe I'm way off and this may be incoherent since I had to write it in parts during work but I hope you get part of what I meant to say.
 
[quote name='freestyledust77']I heard that, how many add on devices have turned out to be successfull (ok the gamecube gba player is pretty freaking sweet), but that aside I can think of none. Wait hold on wasn't the Nintedo 64 cd drive good? Oh wait that turned out to be the playstation :)[/QUOTE]

Oh, wait, no, it turned out that the 64DD turned out to launch and flop in Japan. The SNES CD drive on the other hand turned out to be both the PlayStation and the CD-i. Learn your video game history before you start bashing and spouting your non-truth.
 
Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. I'd hope that Microsoft isn't that stupid.

In other words: no.


No HDMI in sight." It also said that Microsoft would be releasing a cable to support 1080p video output. However, "Little more information is known on [1080 output] or if there will be a gaming performance impact."

OMG MAGIC CABLE!

I hope it's some wacko Microsoft proprietary thing - wouldn't that just be GREAT?
 
[quote name='Santurio']Everyone is looking at this in a whole different way than what it is. All these posts are kind of all to one side or the other. Nobody is really saying I'll wait and see what they have to offer. I keep hearing, that it's bullshit and MS lied and they will lose me as a customer. Well, honestly, you don't have to buy it if you don't want to. It's not like they are making you buy it to make your 360 work. If you bought the 360 at launch or a month ago, you bought it because that system was what you wanted at that time. If it changes and you want what it has to offer later then you make the decision and upgrade.

I want this drive for the HD movie capabilities until a better stand alone DVD players come along at a lower price. I made the, well not mistake but, early decision to pay $500 for a single disc DVD player back in '98. I got a great player for the time but it was missing many of the features that the players had just a few months later for the same price or even lower. So, for many this would be a great opportunity to be able to watch HD movies. Now for games being exclusive and if they don't come out for both formats (DVD & HD) that it will fail. Yes, yes it probably will but that doesn't mean they aren't offering you something worth it. Impratical? Maybe. But what makes this different than the add-ons that Nintendo, Sony, Sega all try and puch on us since the early 80's? Nothing but that this may actually be worth it and this could be more attainable to more than those 32x's were or Sega CD's. Back then I couldn't afford that kind of money and the games sucked to boot. Those games weren't available on both formats(cartirdge & CD). If you wanted to play them you had to buy the new player. I see as this is a pleasant alternative not the only road in sight. They aren't going to stop making regular 360 games unless I missed something.

Well maybe I'm way off and this may be incoherent since I had to write it in parts during work but I hope you get part of what I meant to say.[/QUOTE]

Well... I wasn't saying "oh no, I got ripped off" or anything to that extent... just saying that it's completely unrealistic to expect games for the sytem due to the complete lack of potential for an accessory like this to take off for gaming.
 
I'm with Ryan in that I want to use HDMI. I'm so sick of these assholes trying to avoid putting the best input on a system. I mean shit in Japan the D-Terminal cable works with the output on the PS2 as well as Gamecube and I get the impression it's even better than HDMI and is digital so WHY can't we get a fucking output for it?
Seriously if it's got no HDMI or desirable games it's not worth it for me for movies even if it's $200 unless it's got HDMI and multi-region remote hacks to play HD-DVD's from all regions.
 
I could see games that are shipping on more then 1 DVD also having an HD DVD version for people who have the drive, but they wont have games only on HD DVD.
 
Yeah, I don't know why people get worked about stuff like this that has been repeatedly stated from the beginning. MS has always said there's no advantage of either BD or HD-DVD for games. They're already in 720p, and if space isn't an issue with Oblivion then I can't imagine it'll be an issue with Madden 2009 or Rainbow Six 8.

As far as HDMI vs component, I'm glad that the component support will be an option. Many early HDTV adopters have only that option and no desire to upgrade a tv for a new input. I would like to see the port for an HDMI as an option, but it's good to know there will be a next gen DVD player option for those of us with no HDMI or DVI input.

Lastly, the complaints of a $200 price are very hypocritical. I paid $300 for my first DVD player and it wasn't even progressive scan... Early technology is always high priced, and $200 is pretty fucking cheap compared to stand alone players. For those who tend to be early adopters and must have the newest and best AV stuff, that price is very nice to see. If you think it's too high, you probably weren't going to be buying it anyway...
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']
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They did say that HDD wouldn't be required. According the screenshot above its required for this game.[/quote]

Dude! read closer first! /facepalm that says HDD required that means you need a harddrive on your system the pic even look like the harddrive for the xbox 360 remember they still sell a CORE SYSTEM.

HDD = Hard Disk Drive
 
[quote name='PhoenixT']Dude! read closer first! /facepalm that says HDD required that means you need a harddrive on your system the pic even look like the harddrive for the xbox 360 remember they still sell a CORE SYSTEM.

HDD = Hard Disk Drive[/QUOTE]
You just made yourself look stupid, enjoy being laughed at.
 
[quote name='PhoenixT']Dude! read closer first! /facepalm that says HDD required that means you need a harddrive on your system the pic even look like the harddrive for the xbox 360 remember they still sell a CORE SYSTEM.

HDD = Hard Disk Drive[/QUOTE]
Hahahahhahhaha, everyone point and laugh at him. (As in you, PhonixT)
 
I think the big thing with HDMI that many people don't realize is that HDMI has different versions too. So MS adds HDMI 1.1 to the HD-DVD player and then spring 07 rolls around and now HDMI 1.3 is out with a higher bandwidth and people will complain about this and that. It's just not worth it to cater to a small group of people who really care about HDMI. Component is on every HD TV and is finalised, there is no uber component wire coming out next fall that will allow for a better picture period. HDMI vs Component in picture quality is not as night and day as HD vs Non HD. Back on Topic there will be No HD-DVD games! it has been said before and has been restated many times. The Hard drive requirement for any games that use it was explained before launch. The reason the top tier PS3 even has HDMI is because it is a Trojan horse Blue-ray player. If you want to spend $500 on a HD-DVD player with HDMI, good for you and I KNOW you will enjoy it, but IF you already have a 360 and $99 accessory that allows you to watch HD-DVD movies for $400 less then what you would have paid you cant really complain too much.
 
I am gussing people dont know that they can make HD DVD readable on regular DVD drive. They can just release the game on HD DVD, the people with HD DVD drive will get extra but the game is still playable on all X360.
 
[quote name='anomynous']You just made yourself look stupid, enjoy being laughed at.[/quote]

/smacks self

point taken I thought he was talking about it requiring the HD-DVD when I first looked at it my mind must of been completly elsewhere my fault completely it is kind of funny when I look at it again *sheepish look*.
 
[quote name='PhoenixT']Dude! read closer first! /facepalm that says HDD required that means you need a harddrive on your system the pic even look like the harddrive for the xbox 360 remember they still sell a CORE SYSTEM.

HDD = Hard Disk Drive[/quote]

:imwithst: :rofl:
 
[quote name='Daddy']*Stands next to zeone and hands him a megaphone and a beer* Lets laugh at him louder...muahahah

PS- Is this your America's Got Talent audition tape phonixT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD6ryH57VJU[/quote]

o_O ..who knew I could dance go figure! *snicker* cute Daddy heh. Told you guys my brain was apparnetly elsewhere on that post it kind of shuts off later in the day and I'm pretty sure I posted that in the afternoon sometime.
 
[quote name='PhoenixT']o_O ..who knew I could dance go figure! *snicker* cute Daddy heh. Told you guys my brain was apparnetly elsewhere on that post it kind of shuts off later in the day and I'm pretty sure I posted that in the afternoon sometime.[/quote]

It happens to the best of us. Don't take it too hard. ;)
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']It happens to the best of us. Don't take it too hard. ;)[/QUOTE]


That dance had me crying
 
[quote name='LinkinPrime']It happens to the best of us. Don't take it too hard. ;)[/quote]

meh I'm not I had a brain lapse it happens and some good natured poking fun is required when its caught by the public I understand that. I just remember thinking "what the heck he's saying its going to need HD-DVD and it says right there HDD not HD-DVD yeesh come on man!" Ahh well *does thriller dance*.
 
I was at best buy yesterday buying a laptop bag when I over a hear a guy going ape shit on the customer service people because the $400 laptop he bought said HD-Screen and he thought it played HD-DVD's! LOL! NEWB! He had $300 worth of opened HD-DVD's he couldnt return. Why did he open all of them?
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']I was at best buy yesterday buying a laptop bag when I over a hear a guy going ape shit on the customer service people because the $400 laptop he bought said HD-Screen and he thought it played HD-DVD's! LOL! NEWB! He had $300 worth of opened HD-DVD's he couldnt return. Why did he open all of them?[/QUOTE]

Wow.


Anyway HD-DVD and Blu-Ray and pretty bad for games. At 2x both those drives only read 8.7MB/s and at 12x (xbox360) DVD can read 15.8MB/s. That's about 1/2 the speed.
Not to mention there is 16x wich can do 21MB/s, I don't know why Microsoft did not include that. Would have made the PS3 look like a fool with it's load times.
 
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