Xbox 360: A Love/Hate Relationship

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This is basically a copy of today's blogpost on my site, redgopher.com.

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I love my Xbox 360 to death. The controller feels great, the design of the system itself is dead sexy. The games I own are fantastic. Oblivion runs better on my $400 console than on my $1500 PC. Achievements are nothing less than digital crack--they're bringing back the high score seeking thrill of the 80s with Gamerscore. I now own 15 Xbox Live Arcade titles--that's more than half of the entire library available through Xbox Live Marketplace--and I love each and every one of them.

On the other hand, I hate the fucking thing. More accurately, I really fucking hate Microsoft right now. My initial unit crashed at least twice a day until I sent it in for an exchange through MS. My current unit crashes occasionally, mainly when it gets hot (and that usually happens when my apartment is hot--no problem when we move to someplace with air conditioning).

When I called Xbox support to ask where my $60 warranty was, they told me they had neither the original, broken console's serial number on file, nor the replacement I was sent, but a THIRD s/n which nobody can track down. "Please send a letter to our warranty department with this reference number, the current, mystery s/n and your actual, real s/n." God damn, why can't you just do it yourself? Whatever, I'll do it, this thing will probably explode in a few months anyways. But the fun doesn't stop there, no siree.

Two of my full version, purchased arcade games--Crystal Quest and Geometry Wars--are only trial versions on all other gamertags on my 360. This is, as I was told by another Xbox representative, a "security feature."

Apparently when you purchase something from Marketplace, your gamertag and either MAC address or serial number are recorded. If you take your tag to another console, you can play the full version all you want, but the other tags are shit out of luck. This is effectively what happened to me, since I did a warranty exchange, my wife can't play those two games. I spent an hour on the phone with Microsoft yesterday regarding this issue. First, the rep basically told me I was fucked, that "at this time there is no way to fix the issue."

That's bullshit. I paid $10 for that shit and I have the right to have these played by whoever wants to as long as they're on my system. Since I have worked big call centers before I asked if she could explain my situation to Billing and have them send me 800 MS points so I can purchase them again under my wife's tag. She talked to billing and then told me that they have no way to do this. She offered to talk to a supervisor, and returned asking me to fax in my receipt of warranty exchange, name of my wife's gamertag, and a reference number.

"Look," I said, "I'm not going to fax anything in. First off, I have no idea where that warranty exchange receipt is. It was four months ago. Second, you have no idea what kind of hell I've been through with this system." I proceeded to tell her about my initial crashes and the warranty mixup. She talked to her supervisor again, then returned and asked for the date I received the console and my wife's gamertag. I gave this info, and the rep told me I'd get a call sometime next week with a resolution and a code for some MS points to fix the problem.

You thought I was finished, but you are so incredibly dead wrong.

Today I decided to try to crank out the final two achievements in Crystal Quest. One requires that I have 30 lives in hand at any point in the game. The other requires that I kill 20 baddies on the screen with a single smart bomb. The smart bomb one is easier to do if you have it on a sky-high difficulty. The problem with the game, though, in general, is that the mines the baddies drop onto the screen are damn near indistinguishable from crystals. So I decided to drop 100 MS points on the Sketch graphics pack, which makes the game look like it is coming to life on an architect's sketchboard. By the way, 100 points is roughly equal to $1.25.

I download the pack, boot Crystal Quest, and enable it. "These changes will take effect the next time you launch Crystal Quest. Would you like to return to the Arcade now so you may re-launch the game?" Why yes, yes I would. I re-launch the game, check the downloaded content to make sure it was enabled... and it's disabled. What the fuck.

I tried selecting "no" when it asked me if I wanted to quit immediately, and that didn't work either. Neither did deleting the pack, the game, my profile, and downloading it all over again. Yet again, I called Xbox support. First I select "question about a specific Xbox game" from the automated menu. I get this guy with a slightly foriegn accent (a very bad sign), explain my problem (Crystal Quest. An arcade game on Xbox 360 purchased from Xbox Live Marketplace. I bought a graphics pack and it doesn't work. Etc.), and wait for his reply.

Rep: "So is this for the original Xbox or Xbox 360?"

fuck.

Me: "Uh, Xbox 360. It's an arcade game."
Rep: "And what was it called?"
Me: "Crystal Quest."
Rep: "Ok. And what was the problem again?"

I explain it to him again.

Rep: "Was this something you purchased off Xbox Live?"
Me: "Oh god, do you even know what you are doing?"

I hung up on him, called Xbox support again, and this time, went to Xbox Live support, where I got a relatively competent rep with my previous problem. This time I got somebody competent, and she actually sent me over to her supervisor, who was fantastic. The problem was I spent an hour on the phone with them, with longer than acceptable hold times, and still, they are calling me back sometime next week since they have no idea what is going on. All this for $1.25 of content. Guys, can't you just say "Shit, sorry, we'll try to fix it and here's your 100 points back, our bad," or something like that?

I'm incredibly grateful and lucky that I reached someone who had all of their brain cells intact, that I felt comfortable complimenting on what a good job he was doing. But I swear to god, he's one of two people who are worth two shits working in Xbox customer care.

I just hope this is where it ends.

Oh, who the hell am I kidding...
 
Sorry to hear about your problems. To me, this is the big draw back as consoles get more complicated--we're only going to get more of these PC-like problems with them, but with even less ease of fixing them. DC sounds fun, but I think in the long run it's going to add whole new levels of pain and frustration to gamers. They may have it fully figured out in time for the next-gen of games.
 
[quote name='danked']k .... mircosoft = money whores .... we know move on[/QUOTE]

Tell me how I am implying that Microsoft = money whores. You are a god damn idiot. The post was about how I love my 360 yet I continually have problems with it.
 
I feel your pain. Last week Live suddenly randomly decided to download the full version of Zuma. I used MS chat support and called the live billing department. At least an hour of my time explaining the problem total. They wouldn't do shit. Said there is no way to credit me the 800 points.
 
[quote name='zewone']360: love/love relationship for me. Never had a problem *knock on wood*[/QUOTE]
besides sending in my first unit, it has been smooth for me as well
 
I have a lunch day unit. Zero problems. (Knocks on wood too...) I do have one friend who had the red rings of death, and another that had constant freezing problems with Oblivion.

There certainly a drawback with "improved" technology. There are many cool things that can be done, but more and more opportunities for things to go to fuck too...
 
[quote name='CappyCobra']Seeing that you are willing to hang on tech support for a least an hour, why not just file a complaint with the better business bureau?
http://odr.bbb.org/odrweb/public/GetStarted.aspx[/QUOTE]

When I worked customer service for a large wireless company, I'd hear that shit all the time, especially if we were in the right. I'm not going to be a pussy and use idle threats like that.

Microsoft's customer service isn't the best on the face of the earth. That's not a violation of business law, or whatever.
 
[quote name='redgopher']When I worked customer service for a large wireless company, I'd hear that shit all the time, especially if we were in the right. I'm not going to be a pussy and use idle threats like that.

Microsoft's customer service isn't the best on the face of the earth. That's not a violation of business law, or whatever.[/quote]
Who said the threats were idle? BBB worked wonders for me when AT&T tried to fuck me out of a contract
 
[quote name='Riyonuk']100 points = $1.25? What are points, are they like Microsoft money?[/QUOTE]

...Yeah. Why are you even on a 360 forum if you don't know that answer?
 
[quote name='gizmogc']...Yeah. Why are you even on a 360 forum if you don't know that answer?[/quote]

Hmm, maybe to find out information? Use some common sense next time.
 
XD thats also true, I browse around to learn, and if you havnt noticed, I've probably asked more questions than all CAG's combined :)
 
OP, other Gamer Profiles can definitely play the full versions of XBLA games downloaded with another GamerTag even if it's not the original X360.

I'm guessing you have your profile on a memory card. You need to copy your profile to the hard drive and then any other profiles can play the XBLA games as well.

I do this type of thing all the time. If you need more help with it, I can probably walk you through it. I've been meaning to finish up a guide on this that I started a while back.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']OP, other Gamer Profiles can definitely play the full versions of XBLA games downloaded with another GamerTag even if it's not the original X360.

I'm guessing you have your profile on a memory card. You need to copy your profile to the hard drive and then any other profiles can play the XBLA games as well.

I do this type of thing all the time. If you need more help with it, I can probably walk you through it. I've been meaning to finish up a guide on this that I started a while back.[/QUOTE]

You guessed wrong :) I have a premium system with hard drive.

And two MS reps told me the same thing. Security feature.
 
[quote name='redgopher']You guessed wrong :) I have a premium system with hard drive.

And two MS reps told me the same thing. Security feature.[/QUOTE]

Hmm... that's really strange then. As long as the gamertag that bought the content is on the harddrive, all other users should be able to use that content. So is this a new harddrive with the new system, or is it the old one? Did you auto-recover the gamertags or did you transfer them with a memory card?

I'm just trying to see exactly what you have done to see if I can figure out what is causing the problem. This isn't just a security feature, something is acting goofy. And don't listen to what Microsoft reps have to tell you. They know less than people that actually use the system.

One more question: Are you signing out before your wife tries to play or are you both signed on at the same time?
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Hmm... that's really strange then. As long as the gamertag that bought the content is on the harddrive, all other users should be able to use that content. So is this a new harddrive with the new system, or is it the old one? Did you auto-recover the gamertags or did you transfer them with a memory card?

I'm just trying to see exactly what you have done to see if I can figure out what is causing the problem. This isn't just a security feature, something is acting goofy. And don't listen to what Microsoft reps have to tell you. They know less than people that actually use the system.

One more question: Are you signing out before your wife tries to play or are you both signed on at the same time?[/QUOTE]


hopefully im understanding the problem, but it's discussed here: http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84497&highlight=offline+arcade

once you transfer a HArd Drive or a gamertag to another 360 besides the original one, gusests will not be able to play full arcade games and you will not be able to play arcade games offline.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']hopefully im understanding the problem, but it's discussed here: http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84497&highlight=offline+arcade

once you transfer a HArd Drive or a gamertag to another 360 besides the original one, gusests will not be able to play full arcade games and you will not be able to play arcade games offline.[/QUOTE]

But I do this all the time. I take my gamertag to a friends house on a memory card and move it to his hard drive, and then both he and I can re-download the stuff I've bought and play them with both my gamertag and his.
 
[quote name='AshesofWake']so wait, at some point do you take the gamertag off of his HD?[/QUOTE]

Yes, when I leave his house, I move it back to the memory card. Then he can only play the trial versions of the games.

As far as the whole, playing offline issue that you had though, I've never even tried to play a 360 that wasn't connected to the internet.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Hmm... that's really strange then. As long as the gamertag that bought the content is on the harddrive, all other users should be able to use that content. So is this a new harddrive with the new system, or is it the old one? Did you auto-recover the gamertags or did you transfer them with a memory card?

I'm just trying to see exactly what you have done to see if I can figure out what is causing the problem. This isn't just a security feature, something is acting goofy. And don't listen to what Microsoft reps have to tell you. They know less than people that actually use the system.

One more question: Are you signing out before your wife tries to play or are you both signed on at the same time?[/QUOTE]

I shipped my console away and kept my HDD, when the new one arrived I popped it on. No recovery necessary, everything was good to go. She's signed in, I'm signed out (only one 360). I have recovered both profiles, no avail.
 
[quote name='redgopher']I shipped my console away and kept my HDD, when the new one arrived I popped it on. No recovery necessary, everything was good to go. She's signed in, I'm signed out (only one 360). I have recovered both profiles, no avail.[/QUOTE]

Well, the first thing I'd try is to have both of you signed on at the same time. Just have her hit the guide button on a second controller while you are signed in and she will be able to sign in along side you. The controller that she signs in with will be partnered with her gamertag.

If you don't have two controllers, I don't think you'll be able to have multiple accounts signed on at the same time.

I'm not 100% positive this will fix your problem, but it's worth a shot.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Well, the first thing I'd try is to have both of you signed on at the same time. Just have her hit the guide button on a second controller while you are signed in and she will be able to sign in along side you. The controller that she signs in with will be partnered with her gamertag.

If you don't have two controllers, I don't think you'll be able to have multiple accounts signed on at the same time.

I'm not 100% positive this will fix your problem, but it's worth a shot.[/QUOTE]

Will that let her get the achievements, though?
 
OP, did you tell them your a regular CONTRIBUTER on Cheapassgamer.com?that will get them on their feet. Horrible joke, anyway Sorry to hear about your 360. I too had to send in a 360 to be replaced and my 2 weeks without my 360 were lame. I would really rag on these people to get your problem resolved and always ask to speak to a supervisor once you get a real person on the phone. They really need to compensate you with MS points or a free copy of a game OR anything.Not to mention get you a 100% WORKING system Good luck and keep us posted.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']OP, did you tell them your a regular CONTRIBUTER on Cheapassgamer.com?that will get them on their feet. Horrible joke, anyway Sorry to hear about your 360. I too had to send in a 360 to be replaced and my 2 weeks without my 360 were lame. I would really rag on these people to get your problem resolved and always ask to speak to a supervisor once you get a real person on the phone. They really need to compensate you with MS points or a free copy of a game OR anything.Not to mention get you a 100% WORKING system Good luck and keep us posted.[/QUOTE]

They should hook me up with like 5000 ms points and Gears of War. That'd make me happy.
 
[quote name='redgopher']Will that let her get the achievements, though?[/quote]

Yes, if she uses the controller that she signed on with.
 
Any updates on whether or not what I suggested worked? I'm planning on working on my guide tonight and I'd like to know if I need to include a section for something like this.
 
[quote name='shipwreck']Any updates on whether or not what I suggested worked? I'm planning on working on my guide tonight and I'd like to know if I need to include a section for something like this.[/QUOTE]

I'll get back to ya tomorrow sometime...
 
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