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What we knew: Microsoft is wrapping up with the Xbox 360, that it would be out in late 2005, and they want it out by the Christmas season. So when Eurogamer learned and apparently confirmed the European Xbox 360 release would be in “late October or early November” and it would be a couple weeks after the US release, none of us around the office at Engadget HQ were exactly floored or anything.

Interestingly, however, GamesIndustry seems to also think that Microsoft, who looked past introducing the Xbox 360 at GDC this month is probs going to announce it at E3 this year; as usual, we’ll be there with, er, press badges on.

-joystiq.com
 
[quote name='Kayden']I was so hoping they'd give up.[/quote]

That's odd. I heard they were hoping fanboys like you would give up. I guess ignorance wins out though. Live happily ever after in blissful ignorance, Kayden. You won't be missed in the real world.
 
I am looking forward to the release, but I wouldn't be suprised if they decide to wait another year, as they had a great holiday season, and they can continue to ride the hype for another year. They also have a bunch of great games scheduled for the first half of the year...nothing wrong with waiting
 
[quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='Kayden']I was so hoping they'd give up.[/quote]

That's odd. I heard they were hoping fanboys like you would give up. I guess ignorance wins out though. Live happily ever after in blissful ignorance, Kayden. You won't be missed in the real world.[/quote]

How does hating Microsoft and hoping they die a terrible firery death make me a fan boy? I hated MS before I even had a PS1.

I have a bunch of different consoles, I favor my PS2, but thats because the GCn doesn't have much for RPGs. I even have an one of those free xbox deals in the works. (free is the only way you could get me to take one)

I just think MS has their hands in enough pockets as is and I REALLY don't want them dragging their lousy practices into the console world.

$5/minute for tech support? Paying for repairs on their faulty equipment? Buying competitors and cancelling their projects and then giving MS the credit for it... Bad microsoft! BAD!
 
[quote name='Kayden'][quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='Kayden']I was so hoping they'd give up.[/quote]

That's odd. I heard they were hoping fanboys like you would give up. I guess ignorance wins out though. Live happily ever after in blissful ignorance, Kayden. You won't be missed in the real world.[/quote]

How does hating Microsoft and hoping they die a terrible firery death make me a fan boy? I hated MS before I even had a PS1.

I have a bunch of different consoles, I favor my PS2, but thats because the GCn doesn't have much for RPGs. I even have an one of those free xbox deals in the works. (free is the only way you could get me to take one)

I just think MS has their hands in enough pockets as is and I REALLY don't want them dragging their lousy practices into the console world.

$5/minute for tech support? Paying for repairs on their faulty equipment? Buying competitors and cancelling their projects and then giving MS the credit for it... Bad microsoft! BAD![/quote]

So I'm guessing you hate EA also then right?
 
[quote name='Kayden'][quote name='MaxBiaggi3'][quote name='Kayden']I was so hoping they'd give up.[/quote]

That's odd. I heard they were hoping fanboys like you would give up. I guess ignorance wins out though. Live happily ever after in blissful ignorance, Kayden. You won't be missed in the real world.[/quote]

How does hating Microsoft and hoping they die a terrible firery death make me a fan boy? I hated MS before I even had a PS1.

I have a bunch of different consoles, I favor my PS2, but thats because the GCn doesn't have much for RPGs. I even have an one of those free xbox deals in the works. (free is the only way you could get me to take one)

I just think MS has their hands in enough pockets as is and I REALLY don't want them dragging their lousy practices into the console world.

$5/minute for tech support? Paying for repairs on their faulty equipment? Buying competitors and cancelling their projects and then giving MS the credit for it... Bad microsoft! BAD![/quote]


hahaha keep raging against that machine, fanboy

your posts needs more "M$" though
 
[quote name='Scorch']I NEED confirmation that it's backward compatible. It HAS to be.[/quote]

Yea if it isn't then then then then i'll be a little upset but then shake it off and buy one anyways.
 
[quote name='Sartori'][quote name='zewone']Why would they give up when they had the best system out of all 4 128-Bit systems?[/quote]

lol[/quote]

haha
 
Not liking one system does not make someone a fanboy...

I think MS has a good idea in terms of bringing out the system early... it helped Sony a lot, but then again it hurt Sega.
 
Regarding backwards compatibility, I heard this time MS is going with ATI rather than Nvidia for the graphics chip. So we might not be able to play all our Xbox Gen1 games. Hope I'm wrong. Also, I got this from EGM or Gamepro (I forget which. I get both free 'cuz I'm a CAG :twisted: ).
 
[quote name='Kayden']The first thing that comes to mind..... *meh*

I was so hoping they'd give up.[/quote]

I'm counting on the sheer probability of occurrences that you shall eventually make a post that does not make you seem to be the absolute dumbest person I have ever encountered.

I want to wait until I see some graphics. I don't count EA's hypothesized renderings, and I don't count Elder Scrolls IV (most, if not all, screenshots thus far are PC).

Remember the graphics promised for N64 before Cruisn' USA? I sure do.

Backwards compatibility is a tremendous issue for me as well; the graphics cards may make it difficult, as someone pointed out. I'm also curious how Live will port over. They better have all this in mind, rather than rush to simply be the first on the market (which hasn't always proven to be beneficial, mind you).

myke.
 
I hope this info turns out to be false. I can't help but feel that it would be jumping the gun and therefore force Sony and Nintendo into launching earlier than needed, also. Call it a hunch, but I think it's going to be a lot tougher than usual to sell people on moving to a next-gen console this time around, so jumping the gun to get a leg up on the competiton may not be the best move one could make.
 
Who cares? Aren't people sick of this already? A good game is a good game is a good game, regardless of the console it's on. Just wait a little bit and buy whatever console has the most games and upcoming releases you really want to play. I have a GC and a PS2 because they have the most number of exclusive games I really wanted to play, not because I'm a Sony or Nintendo fanboy. And I didn't get an XBox because I have better FPSs and online games on the PC and the only exclusives that interested me were Ninja Gaiden and Otogi, not because it's made by the big bad evil Microsoft.

Don't be an ass and make a purchase based on the corporation name. All three are big corporations, all three have taken part in shady business practices, and none of them give a shit about you more than their profit and bottom line. You're the only one losing by limiting yourself.
 
Gamespot says even the name Xbox 360 could be bgous. Yet releasing the next Xbox sometime in November wopuldn't suprise me, I just hope they come up with good launch titles and like someone else mentioned that it's backwards compatible.
 
Wow, I really hope they don't release it in October. There are so many awesome Xbox games coming out between now and the end of the year. The Xbox still has at least a year of some good life in it.
 
[quote name='XboxMaster']Wow, I really hope they don't release it in October. There are so many awesome Xbox games coming out between now and the end of the year. The Xbox still has at least a year of some good life in it.[/quote]

Like what? There's really no amazing, exclusive XBox games left.. Unreal Championship 2 might be cool, Area 51 will obviously rock, Forza will blow unless they fix the handling and controls.. well, okay, the XBox has SOME life left in it.. let's hope XBox 2 is backwards compatible.

- Scorch // gonna make a backwards compatible reference in every post in every XBox 2/360 thread until I get my confirmation!

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/243660.asp

//will be mine at launch
 
[quote name='Scorch']Like what? There's really no amazing, exclusive XBox games left.. Unreal Championship 2 might be cool, Area 51 will obviously rock, Forza will blow unless they fix the handling and controls.. well, okay, the XBox has SOME life left in it[/quote]

Jade Empire
 
I'd really hope they change that godawful name, it'd one of the worst ever. "Dolphin" would've been another one, though luckily Nintendo changed that to Gamecube. I won't be getting this Xbox 360 Backside Flip at launch, since I'm waiting for Xbox to drop to $99 so I can buy one.
 
[quote name='Scorch'][quote name='XboxMaster']Wow, I really hope they don't release it in October. There are so many awesome Xbox games coming out between now and the end of the year. The Xbox still has at least a year of some good life in it.[/quote]

Like what? There's really no amazing, exclusive XBox games left.. Unreal Championship 2 might be cool, Area 51 will obviously rock, Forza will blow unless they fix the handling and controls.. well, okay, the XBox has SOME life left in it.. let's hope XBox 2 is backwards compatible.

- Scorch // gonna make a backwards compatible reference in every post in every XBox 2/360 thread until I get my confirmation!

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/243660.asp

//will be mine at launch[/quote]


Doom 3, Far Cry: Instincts, possibly Half-Life 2, and some other stuff that doesn't come to mind right now.
 
[quote name='Sartori']Stuff I played on my PC ages ago..[/quote]


:lol: Very true, and now it's time for them to shine on Xbox.
 
[quote name='dental_regurgitation']Not liking one system does not make someone a fanboy...

I think MS has a good idea in terms of bringing out the system early... it helped Sony a lot, but then again it hurt Sega.[/quote]

It didnt hurt sega, Sega hurt Sega and the Sony hype did them in. It wont happen again.
 
[quote name='Sartori']Stuff I played on my PC ages ago..[/quote]

I have to agree entirely.

I have owned 2 xboxes before and recently got one. Nothing is really grabbing my attention. I am currently playing Fable and it took a while but its decent. Kind of reminds me of a OOT rip off but its not bad.
 
[quote name='Snake2715'][quote name='dental_regurgitation']Not liking one system does not make someone a fanboy...

I think MS has a good idea in terms of bringing out the system early... it helped Sony a lot, but then again it hurt Sega.[/quote]

It didnt hurt sega, Sega hurt Sega and the Sony hype did them in. It wont happen again.[/quote]

With the Dreamcast, I think you'd be hard pressed to say Sega hurt Sega. They tried to woo third parties and developed a good amount of great games for their own console, including a number of original, innovative IP's. The essential problem with launching early was that, when the DC launched, people knew the PS2 were coming within a year and, since they were promised that the PS2 would be the greatest thing ever, many decided to wait. When the PS2 was launched, the Xbox and Gamecube weren't even officially unveiled yet - it wasn't until months later at E3 2001 that both of these platforms were unveiled, and by then the PS2 was already considered to be the next hot thing. The early launch might screw the Xbox Next here because Sony again is promising the world with the PS3 that's coming a mere year later. Hopefully it won't, though...even though I have the least number of Xbox games, I probably play my Xbox the most these days.
 
[quote name='alongx'][quote name='Snake2715'][quote name='dental_regurgitation']Not liking one system does not make someone a fanboy...

I think MS has a good idea in terms of bringing out the system early... it helped Sony a lot, but then again it hurt Sega.[/quote]

It didnt hurt sega, Sega hurt Sega and the Sony hype did them in. It wont happen again.[/quote]

With the Dreamcast, I think you'd be hard pressed to say Sega hurt Sega. They tried to woo third parties and developed a good amount of great games for their own console, including a number of original, innovative IP's. The essential problem with launching early was that, when the DC launched, people knew the PS2 were coming within a year and, since they were promised that the PS2 would be the greatest thing ever, many decided to wait. When the PS2 was launched, the Xbox and Gamecube weren't even officially unveiled yet - it wasn't until months later at E3 2001 that both of these platforms were unveiled, and by then the PS2 was already considered to be the next hot thing. The early launch might screw the Xbox Next here because Sony again is promising the world with the PS3 that's coming a mere year later. Hopefully it won't, though...even though I have the least number of Xbox games, I probably play my Xbox the most these days.[/quote]

Yes, but the Saturn was a flop, despite the belief of many (including myself) that it was a very fun system. Sega was hurting before the DC, and Sony had already built its rep. While the Sony juggernaut was a significant factor, Sega had a tranished reputation going into the DC (unfortunately, I feel like Nintendo is in the same spot with Revolution, to an extent).

Anyone recall how PSX became huge? I don't recall it being presented as superior to the Saturn upon release - and god knows that Wrestlemania: The Arcade Game and Battle Arena Toshinden weren't Sega slayers. So, due to my lack of recollection, what killed the Saturn and helped the PSX triumph?

myke.
...I realized this morning that my MSX is manufactured by Sony, effectively making me an owner of a pre-PSX Sony console. bad-ass!
 
Launching early is MS only shot at getting a tehold on the next gen market. They have enough third party support, namely EA, to support a new system. Sega did not have EA support for the Dreamcast and that hurt a lot. MS has a full slate of 1st and third party games that will look way better than the PS2 and the GC. There are much more adults playing games now, so I suspect we will see more early adopters than in the past when there were less adults as active gamers.

XBOX had a solid launch, even though the critics panned the controller and the size etc. I am sure MS has learned form that.
 
[quote name='mykevermin'] So, due to my lack of recollection, what killed the Saturn and helped the PSX triumph?[/quote]


MTV.
 
I'm just not ready for another console. I almost wish everyone would take a few years off to let me catch up on all the great stuff sitting on my shelf from this generation. I won't be buying the 360 for quite some time...
 
[quote name='alongx'][quote name='Snake2715'][quote name='dental_regurgitation']Not liking one system does not make someone a fanboy...

I think MS has a good idea in terms of bringing out the system early... it helped Sony a lot, but then again it hurt Sega.[/quote]

It didnt hurt sega, Sega hurt Sega and the Sony hype did them in. It wont happen again.[/quote]

With the Dreamcast, I think you'd be hard pressed to say Sega hurt Sega. They tried to woo third parties and developed a good amount of great games for their own console, including a number of original, innovative IP's. The essential problem with launching early was that, when the DC launched, people knew the PS2 were coming within a year and, since they were promised that the PS2 would be the greatest thing ever, many decided to wait. When the PS2 was launched, the Xbox and Gamecube weren't even officially unveiled yet - it wasn't until months later at E3 2001 that both of these platforms were unveiled, and by then the PS2 was already considered to be the next hot thing. The early launch might screw the Xbox Next here because Sony again is promising the world with the PS3 that's coming a mere year later. Hopefully it won't, though...even though I have the least number of Xbox games, I probably play my Xbox the most these days.[/quote]

Sega tried to turn around their problem issues but they had massive distrust from both developers/publishers building from the decline that started with add-on platforms in the 16-bit era. Meanwhile, Sony had changed a lot of the rules on how much it cost to get a game manufactured and this won a huge amount of loyalty which in turn translated to PS2 strength. Everybody had confidence Sony was going to be able to maintain their strengths from the previous generation and build upon that.

If Sega hadn't been bleeding cash for several years they might have been able to weather the Sony onslaught and held on to a comfortable #2 position for long enough to get the company back on track. But the wounds were already too deep and amputation of the hardware business was unavoidable to save the life of the patient.

It isn't the same situation for Microsoft. They are in a much better position to launch a new system than the teetering Sega in 1999 and have all the resources necessary to push that machines in the face of the Sony hype machine. OTOH, the Sony hype machine may have lost much of its effectiveness since the PS2 came up far short of its preliminary claims. It offered an improvement in the console world but not a massive leap over what Sega was already selling.

This is also why Nintendo's leadership has wisely spoken of diversifying the company. There is a period of struggle each generation, with the expense of a new launch ever climbing. Having all of your revenue tied up in a narrow range can be very dangerous in a business that every few years requires such an immense capital outlay with positive ROI a minimum of 1.5 years away. Nintendo knows what killed Sega as a console company. They may not get everything right but they're in a much better position to reverse their decline than Sega ever was.
 
[quote name='Lord Draconus777']^^Actually, what he probably meant to say was Final Fantasy VII, that's what killed the Saturn and hurt the N64.[/quote]

Ah yes, because previous Final Fantasy titles had done so much business on Sega platforms.

I doubt Square spent more than a week weighing whether to do Saturn games. The hardware design was a mess and lacked a true 3D pipeline at a time when 3D was viewed as the killer feature of a new console. As primitive as a PS1 may seemed today, for developing 3D games it was miles ahead of the Saturn. The Saturn was much like a PC at that time. If you wanted to do 3D it was entirely done in software on the CPU(s) and much time had to be invested in tuning and optimization to match what the PS1 would provide with little effort. When a major effort was made to fully exploit the PS1 it produced things that couldn't be even remotely matched on Saturn.

By comparison, the Dreamcast is a very nice and straightforward environment. If it had been launched by a company with less financial problems and greater confidence from industry and consumers it could have had a decent career even after PS2 made the scene.
 
I was always under the impression that the Saturn didn't really suffer due to an early launch, but because Sega wouldn't put away its other hardware lines to give the Saturn the focus it needed. At the Saturn's launch, they had the Genesis, Sega CD, 32X, GameGear and Nomad.

Genesis- '89
GameGear - '91
SegaCD - '92
32X - '94
Saturn - '95

There was also that Pico or whatever that kiddie machine was called, not to mention all the new iterations of hardware combos that came out (Nomad, CDX, etc). They had an awful lot of hardware to support at one time.
 
[quote name='levi333'][quote name='Sartori'][quote name='zewone']Why would they give up when they had the best system out of all 4 128-Bit systems?[/quote]

lol[/quote]

haha[/quote]

LMBAO
 
[quote name='HSidwolf']Who cares? Aren't people sick of this already? A good game is a good game is a good game, regardless of the console it's on. Just wait a little bit and buy whatever console has the most games and upcoming releases you really want to play. I have a GC and a PS2 because they have the most number of exclusive games I really wanted to play, not because I'm a Sony or Nintendo fanboy. And I didn't get an XBox because I have better FPSs and online games on the PC and the only exclusives that interested me were Ninja Gaiden and Otogi, not because it's made by the big bad evil Microsoft.

Don't be an ass and make a purchase based on the corporation name. All three are big corporations, all three have taken part in shady business practices, and none of them give a shit about you more than their profit and bottom line. You're the only one losing by limiting yourself.[/quote]

i seriously cudnt agree more..who really cares about the system..alot of ppl now hate EA, but i bet alot of the haters will still buy the new madden game? y? because its fun! and alot of ppl will still get into the sims..how come? cus many find it addicting and fun..! who ares about the company name..if u seriously think that u being not interested is gonna make the company piss theyr pants and saying, CRAP! how cud we get sum1 who dusnt like bill gates 2 love the xbox..u think theyr bend over backwards and apologize for doing "shady" deals? who cares! alot of ppl forget that the video game business is still a business..its a dog eat dog world out tehre, businesses do wat they can to stay alive and keep from going under, o yea, and hapy valentines day!
 
I understand that the Saturn actually launched six months earlier than initially announced because Sega was scared of Sony's impending entry and wanted to get a jump start. Unfortunately, launching the Saturn hardware six months early meant that only a handful of games were available (with almost no third party support) at launch, and Sony's machine later was released at a lower price point with more games. Launching early (at a higher price and with fewer games) certainly didn't help the Saturn's chances.
 
[quote name='PsyClerk']I was always under the impression that the Saturn didn't really suffer due to an early launch, but because Sega wouldn't put away its other hardware lines to give the Saturn the focus it needed. At the Saturn's launch, they had the Genesis, Sega CD, 32X, GameGear and Nomad.

Genesis- '89
GameGear - '91
SegaCD - '92
32X - '94
Saturn - '95

There was also that Pico or whatever that kiddie machine was called, not to mention all the new iterations of hardware combos that came out (Nomad, CDX, etc). They had an awful lot of hardware to support at one time.[/quote]

The $400 price tag at launch didn't help either.
 
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