Xbox 360 Pro 60GB @ GameStop $349.99 (pre-order: 08/01/08)
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[quote name='Johnny Postman']I wonder if the 60GB will end up actually being $300 before long? Maybe MS is just stating a price of $350 so that the 20GB won't sit on shelves while people wait for a better deal.
Didn't Sony do something similar when the 60GB was was dropped to $499 (claim this was just a clearance & the new 80GB system would be $599 but never really went through with it.)[/quote]It could happen. Considering the fact that the xbox 360 isn't selling as much as PS3's and Wii's are.it would be a smart move for Microsoft. I'll probably get mine after they make the announcement. if not ill get one at Christmas they might have a bundle like last year.
Didn't Sony do something similar when the 60GB was was dropped to $499 (claim this was just a clearance & the new 80GB system would be $599 but never really went through with it.)[/quote]It could happen. Considering the fact that the xbox 360 isn't selling as much as PS3's and Wii's are.it would be a smart move for Microsoft. I'll probably get mine after they make the announcement. if not ill get one at Christmas they might have a bundle like last year.
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[quote name='TURBO']This is true w/ both the Elite & Pro so far. & the Elite did lag behind the pro for 3-4 months before adopting falcon too. so it is possible the first 60GB will be falcon; but falcon should arrive sooner rather than later in this case since they've been in production for a bit.
The thing that's confusing is the early estimates were Aug for Jasper. But,.. they were revised for Sept a little while back. So I can't tell if the early estimates were more accurate or if, like you suggest, the 60GBs will be Falcon too for a month or 2.
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archive...probably_shipping_first_week_of_september.php[/QUOTE]
Right, looking at past MS history we have seen model changes, whether it be hard drive or otherwise, have never matched up to actual CPU/GPU revision changes. Even the Elite which was the first model to add HDMI and required an entirely new motherboard was 90nm CPU/GPU for the first few months and remained so for a bit longer than the Premium as you noted. In this case, the Jasper motherboard will likely be exactly the same in terms of form factor as the Falcon motherboard, just like the Xenon HDMI was the same as Falcon in terms of form factor. This is so they can continue to use the same cases. And, with the 360 having detachable hard drive and universal color scheme, it is cheapest and easiest to just stick a 60GB hard drive on whatever Premium rolls out of the plant.
Plus, as I said earlier, Falcon has proved reliable; in fact, reliability is what Falcon was designed for as evidenced by the much beefier heatsink on the GPU. Jasper is a cost saving measure since 65nm is cheaper to produce and cheaper to cool due to less expensive heatsink needed. With that in mind, while you are guaranteed a GPU that generates less heat and costs less money with Jasper, you are not guaranteed a GPU that runs cooler. i.e. what happens if MS decides to go back to something similar to the original 90nm GPU heatsink for Jasper GPU and it causes problems? Jasper has no track record so we can't guarantee it will be reliable. Looking at the 65nm Falcon CPU, the CPU clearly has a less beefy heatsink than the original 90nm CPU heatsink - odds are the 65nm Jasper GPU will have a less beefy one than the 80nm Falcon GPU.
So, I wouldn't stress that much about it. Either way you will get a reliable console w/ 3yr warranty against RROD. And, you are probably best buying the 2yr extended warranty on top of that for other things because no CPU/GPU combo is going to save things like drive failure which is always common in game consoles.
The thing that's confusing is the early estimates were Aug for Jasper. But,.. they were revised for Sept a little while back. So I can't tell if the early estimates were more accurate or if, like you suggest, the 60GBs will be Falcon too for a month or 2.
http://www.8bitjoystick.com/archive...probably_shipping_first_week_of_september.php[/QUOTE]
Right, looking at past MS history we have seen model changes, whether it be hard drive or otherwise, have never matched up to actual CPU/GPU revision changes. Even the Elite which was the first model to add HDMI and required an entirely new motherboard was 90nm CPU/GPU for the first few months and remained so for a bit longer than the Premium as you noted. In this case, the Jasper motherboard will likely be exactly the same in terms of form factor as the Falcon motherboard, just like the Xenon HDMI was the same as Falcon in terms of form factor. This is so they can continue to use the same cases. And, with the 360 having detachable hard drive and universal color scheme, it is cheapest and easiest to just stick a 60GB hard drive on whatever Premium rolls out of the plant.
Plus, as I said earlier, Falcon has proved reliable; in fact, reliability is what Falcon was designed for as evidenced by the much beefier heatsink on the GPU. Jasper is a cost saving measure since 65nm is cheaper to produce and cheaper to cool due to less expensive heatsink needed. With that in mind, while you are guaranteed a GPU that generates less heat and costs less money with Jasper, you are not guaranteed a GPU that runs cooler. i.e. what happens if MS decides to go back to something similar to the original 90nm GPU heatsink for Jasper GPU and it causes problems? Jasper has no track record so we can't guarantee it will be reliable. Looking at the 65nm Falcon CPU, the CPU clearly has a less beefy heatsink than the original 90nm CPU heatsink - odds are the 65nm Jasper GPU will have a less beefy one than the 80nm Falcon GPU.
So, I wouldn't stress that much about it. Either way you will get a reliable console w/ 3yr warranty against RROD. And, you are probably best buying the 2yr extended warranty on top of that for other things because no CPU/GPU combo is going to save things like drive failure which is always common in game consoles.
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TURBO
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[quote name='Ruined']Right, looking at past MS history we have seen model changes, whether it be hard drive or otherwise, have never matched up to actual CPU/GPU revision changes. Even the Elite which was the first model to add HDMI and required an entirely new motherboard was 90nm CPU/GPU for the first few months and remained so for a bit longer than the Premium as you noted. In this case, the Jasper motherboard will likely be exactly the same in terms of form factor as the Falcon motherboard, just like the Xenon HDMI was the same as Falcon in terms of form factor. This is so they can continue to use the same cases. And, with the 360 having detachable hard drive and universal color scheme, it is cheapest and easiest to just stick a 60GB hard drive on whatever Premium rolls out of the plant.
Plus, as I said earlier, Falcon has proved reliable; in fact, reliability is what Falcon was designed for as evidenced by the much beefier heatsink on the GPU. Jasper is a cost saving measure since 65nm is cheaper to produce and cheaper to cool due to less expensive heatsink needed. With that in mind, while you are guaranteed a GPU that generates less heat and costs less money with Jasper, you are not guaranteed a GPU that runs cooler. i.e. what happens if MS decides to go back to something similar to the original 90nm GPU heatsink for Jasper GPU and it causes problems? Jasper has no track record so we can't guarantee it will be reliable. Looking at the 65nm Falcon CPU, the CPU clearly has a less beefy heatsink than the original 90nm CPU heatsink - odds are the 65nm Jasper will have a less beefy one than the 80nm Falcon.
So, I wouldn't stress that much about it. Either way you will get a reliable console w/ 3yr warranty against RROD. And, you are probably best buying the 2yr extended warranty on top of that for other things because no CPU/GPU combo is going to save things like drive failure which is always common in game consoles.[/quote]
True, if you buy a 20GB now, chances are it wont RRoD, falcon has been pretty reliable so far. jasper will reduce your electric bill a little depending on how much you play though.
Plus, as I said earlier, Falcon has proved reliable; in fact, reliability is what Falcon was designed for as evidenced by the much beefier heatsink on the GPU. Jasper is a cost saving measure since 65nm is cheaper to produce and cheaper to cool due to less expensive heatsink needed. With that in mind, while you are guaranteed a GPU that generates less heat and costs less money with Jasper, you are not guaranteed a GPU that runs cooler. i.e. what happens if MS decides to go back to something similar to the original 90nm GPU heatsink for Jasper GPU and it causes problems? Jasper has no track record so we can't guarantee it will be reliable. Looking at the 65nm Falcon CPU, the CPU clearly has a less beefy heatsink than the original 90nm CPU heatsink - odds are the 65nm Jasper will have a less beefy one than the 80nm Falcon.
So, I wouldn't stress that much about it. Either way you will get a reliable console w/ 3yr warranty against RROD. And, you are probably best buying the 2yr extended warranty on top of that for other things because no CPU/GPU combo is going to save things like drive failure which is always common in game consoles.[/quote]
True, if you buy a 20GB now, chances are it wont RRoD, falcon has been pretty reliable so far. jasper will reduce your electric bill a little depending on how much you play though.
Pojomofo
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[quote name='Ruined']Likely there is no correlation between HD size and chipset. If you recall when the Elite 120GB first came out the first batch had the 90nm Xenon chipset. It was not for a couple of months that Falcon was available. And, every 20GB made in 2008 has Falcon.
From what I've heard, Jasper comes out in August. So the first couple of months of 60GB will probably be Falcon.
Finally, Falcon has proven reliable. There is no reason to not buy one...[/quote]
Yep, I am waiting for comfirmation of Jasper before MS gets any more of my $$$.
From what I've heard, Jasper comes out in August. So the first couple of months of 60GB will probably be Falcon.
Finally, Falcon has proven reliable. There is no reason to not buy one...[/quote]
Yep, I am waiting for comfirmation of Jasper before MS gets any more of my $$$.
MoltenMan
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If anyone's is interested, the release date changed from August 1 to July 28:
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75060
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75060
TURBO
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[quote name='MoltenMan']If anyone's is interested, the release date changed from August 1 to July 28:
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75060[/QUOTE]
*in best Mr. Burns voice* Eeeeeexccceelllleeent
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=75060[/QUOTE]
*in best Mr. Burns voice* Eeeeeexccceelllleeent
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