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[quote name='Vergeofinsanity']Relax ppl.. this things a rumor and if it wasn't your not seeing this for atleast another year or so.. thats when most hardware revisions take place anyhow. And big deal it has HDMI.. i dont even have a 1080p set. And i doubt most of you ppl do either.[/QUOTE]
Most HDTVs have HDMI now, regardless if its 1080p
 
While I'm glad to see a bigger HD and HDMI and smaller/cooler CPU... but this really sucks for people who already have a 360. Oh well, I really don't need any of those features.
 
I welcome improvements. Those who complain must have liked the current model enough to shell out $$$$ for it and a new model ain't going to affect how their old one plays.

I mean it almost seems like current owners would rather see worse versions come out so they feel even better. That seems a bit backwards to me.
 
My 360's under warranty at BB, so hopefully I can return it since I have gotten some DRE's and pay the difference to step up to this model. If it's true, then it's a complete dick tactic on MS' part. It's not like offering a smaller version of a system like what Sony or Nintendo does -- this is a big step up to something better and (supposedly) more reliable. It's basically a giant "fuck you" from MS to all the people who've supported the system thus far.
 
[quote name='trip1eX']I welcome improvements. Those who complain must have liked the current model enough to shell out $$$$ for it and a new model ain't going to affect how their old one plays.[/QUOTE]

No, people who bought the system earlier didn't realize that there'd be a new version of the 360 that didn't sound like a goddamn airplane.
 
[quote name='Indiana']Well if this is true I want my money back for my 360. This new system better cost more than $399 otherwise I feel like MS sold me up the river. What the hell ever happened to a console is a console. Sure there were like 7 versions of the PS2 but they never ADDED new stuff to the console to make it better, if I can't do 1080p on this version of the console but it will be possible on that version then they need to accept the systems for exchange.[/QUOTE]

You know that your current xbox 360 displays 1080p right?
 
it's also bullshit that Nintendo does this time and time again with every system they've ever released minus the fucking virtual boy and no one bitches, but when M$ wants to upgrade the product they are "dicks" and "assholes"
 
I don't see what the big deal is...some of us have had it for up to a year and have played some great/solid games with it...a bigger hard drive is coming at some point...hdmi would be great, but it isn't necessary to play the games...i am sure the premium will drop in price, I would imagine this alleged new model will come out at the $399 price. Also what the hell is the problem with the core. Yes, it does suck, but get over it. It wasn't designed for us, it was designed primarily for europe and people that aren't as likely to spend so much money on a new console. Members from msft have said repeatedly that it is the system that will get them to the $99 price point the quickest. Is it really effecting anyone, are the load times bad on any of the 360 games? IMO it was stupid to offer 2 sku's that possibly could change the way we play. But all the games I have played so far have had decent/great load times.
 
[quote name='rabidmonkeys']it's also bullshit that Nintendo does this time and time again with every system they've ever released minus the fucking virtual boy and no one bitches, but when M$ wants to upgrade the product they are "dicks" and "assholes"[/QUOTE]

The only difference is typically that the new system is smaller. And yeah, they added a backlight to the GBA SP which was a big change, but that system is inexpensive -- the 360 is a $400 proposition and getting screwed over with a clearly inferior product is ridiculous.
 
If the product that you bought wasn't worth the $400, then you shouldn't have purchased it.

Does the person who bought a 2006 Camry get mad when the 2007 comes out with a few "modifications"?

As long as they don't make HD-DVD games, I don't think Microsoft is screwing anyone.


[quote name='Chacrana']The only difference is typically that the new system is smaller. And yeah, they added a backlight to the GBA SP which was a big change, but that system is inexpensive -- the 360 is a $400 proposition and getting screwed over with a clearly inferior product is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='anomynous']Most HDTVs have HDMI now, regardless if its 1080p[/quote]


I understand, but just saying majority of ppl dont have a 1080p capable HD set. Mine only goes up to 720p/1080i. I just dont understand why everyones making a big deal out of this. I'd only be pissed if they dont release some sort of adapter for HDMI for current gen systems and make you buy this new console to get the 1080p output.
 
[quote name='hufferstl']If the product that you bought wasn't worth the $400, then you shouldn't have purchased it.

Does the person who bought a 2006 Camry get mad when the 2007 comes out with a few "modifications"?

As long as they don't make HD-DVD games, I don't think Microsoft is screwing anyone.[/QUOTE]

That analogy is completely irrelevant. You know that a new model of a car is going to come out. A system revision with this many significant changes is completely unprecedented.
 
This is still just a huge ass rumor. It's now been four hours since that article was posted on the engadget site and nobody else has picked up this story yet. I think alot of people are getting upset over nothing here.
 
I am thinking they will drop the core completely, drop the current premium down to $300 and release a new premium pack for $400. Both will probably have the HDMI and the new premium will probably have the bigger hard drive. I could see them releasing regular games on DVD and perhaps Collector's editions of big games on HD-DVD.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']That analogy is completely irrelevant. You know that a new model of a car is going to come out. A system revision with this many significant changes is completely unprecedented.[/QUOTE]

Actually its not as its been previously mentioned that the ps2 and ps1 had several revisions and the gameboy with its revisions.

(Now you will arbitrarily define these as insignificant in order to support your own point.)
 
[quote name='Chacrana']That analogy is completely irrelevant. You know that a new model of a car is going to come out. A system revision with this many significant changes is completely unprecedented.[/quote]

well you know at some point a new system is going to come out...

and the argument is relevant...lets say the 2008 model of the car changes the body design, as soon a new body desin comes out, it lowers the value of the models with the older desin. Or what if the newer model came with and extra foot of leg room in the front and backseat.

It isn't unprecedented...the ds to the ds light was a major change
 
[quote name='BULL_Ship']Actually its not as its been previously mentioned that the ps2 and ps1 had several revisions and the gameboy with its revisions.

(Now you will arbitrarily define these as insignificant in order to support your own point.)[/QUOTE]

Oh ho! On to my logic, are you? You're absolutely right -- I do think the PS1 and PS2 revisions were insignificant! I mean, how could a change in size not be the most significant thing ever? It directly affects the system's functionality! And those version changes were pretty damn significant too! Since I can't seem to say anything to your cunning logic, I guess I'll arbitrarily decide that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
 
[quote name='peteloaf']This is very, very funny to me. If this were Nintendo, most people would be lining up to pay full price for a new console just because it's: smaller, in color, a different color, different shape, different cartridge slot, front lit, back lit, has a pokemon sticker, etc. I'm not bashing anybody posting complaints about this, it's just highlighting the difference between Nintendo fans and other fans. Personally, I think it's shitty to re-release a console and expect the early adopters to pay full price, even though we are the reason the consoles are selling. It almost makes me feel as if we paid full price to beta test the hardware.[/quote]

Has Nintendo ever re-released a home console? Not that I remember.

Handhelds normally have shorter life span because of how they are used, they get beat up more.. I couldn't care less about the DS Lite while I have my DS Phat still working great. It's an optional upgrade, that just helps out sales for people who don't have it.

Theres no way I'd jump out to grab a new brighter screen and tiny model.

Consoles of course are for the most part stationary, besides the occasional moving to/from a friends house and stuff like that.. it's not going to take that much physical damage.

I guess I'll hold off on buying a 360 untill this is cleared away.
 
To add.. as a Long time PC gamer myself.. this is NOTHING new.. new tech comes out almost every 3-6 months.. I must have gone through atleast 2-3 videocards.. 1 mobo switch..etc etc.. quit whining.

If you want to play the latest and greatest you gta pay. HD gaming costs money. Period.
 
Nintendo does seem the king of "Malibu Stacy" activity. But their overwhelming source of revenue is games and consoles, so I can't blame them. They need to stay relevant and keep making desirable products.

The curious thing is disparate customer reaction. Nintendo didn't target the early adopter with the "latest and greatest" as much as Sony and MS did. If the "latest and greatest" doesn't have legs, some of the best customers get burned.

Also, many gamers just can't stay angry with the guys that made Mario and Zelda (and stole my childhood).
 
[quote name='Mr Unoriginal']Costco pretty much lets you return anything for any reason up to 3 years after purchase. I'm guessing he will just tell them his is broken and when they replace it he will get the new one. (Assuming the new one has the same SKU)[/QUOTE]

Danke. I figured it was something shady like that.

OT (it's me, so go figure), I recall that Costco got a lot of shit from shareholders because stocks weren't performing up to their expectations (poor babies didn't get big enough dividends); when they suggested that Costco should pay their employees less (Costco is notorious for treating its employees quite well, I believe, relative to other retail shops) to increase the stock value, and thus influence the dividends positively, the management at Costco told the shareholders, more or less, to go fuck themselves sideways.

They could surely help dividends, however, by eliminating such a massive invitation for consumer fraud as a 3-year window for returns.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']They could surely help dividends, however, by eliminating such a massive invitation for consumer fraud as a 3-year window for returns.[/QUOTE]

As I recall, Costco excludes PC purchases from this policy to limit fraud incentive from a rapidly depreciating product.
 
[quote name='hufferstl']Does the person who bought a 2006 Camry get mad when the 2007 comes out with a few "modifications"?[/quote]

Worst.

Analogy.

Ever.
 
[quote name='Boeing 747']Has Nintendo ever re-released a home console? Not that I remember.
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Well there was the toploader NES and the revised SNES... and a shitload of color variations, though those don't really count. And I guess there's the Q Gamecube that came out in Japan if you wanna count that. But the changes in those systems were almost all just cosmetic.
 
So the whole article is on the strength of one picture and the news story of the smaller chip?

Right. I'll await CES before crapping my pants.
 
[quote name='jmiller80']As I recall, Costco excludes PC purchases from this policy to limit fraud incentive from a rapidly depreciating product.[/QUOTE]

It's a start. I would hope they would do this for electronics. You could have bought a launch PS2 and returned it in mid-to-late 2004. That's absurd.
 
[quote name='Boeing 747']Has Nintendo ever re-released a home console? Not that I remember.[/quote]

They sure have. There's a v2 of the NES(I think it was top-loading) and SNES(freakishly light and somehow adorable. Similar to the Japanese version) out there.
 
that's the main thing I want also ... is a bigger HD. I hate the fact I do have to go in from time to time and delete demos that are a gig plus. That's also a reason I've not embraced the Video Marketplace either is because of the fact there's no larger storage device available for the 360 ... if there were say a 250gb HD available for the 360, I'd purchase one and transfer all of my stuff over and start using more of Microsoft's services.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']
and the argument is relevant...lets say the 2008 model of the car changes the body design, as soon a new body desin comes out, it lowers the value of the models with the older desin. Or what if the newer model came with and extra foot of leg room in the front and backseat.
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Buying a console is not the same as buying a car. I'm sorry, but it's just not. There's not big annual updates like with a car and the value of the older system isn't the concern here. It's that MS' tactic is screwing over consumers who bought the older system with absolutely no knowledge that a functionally superior version would be coming out. And considering the reliability problems that the current version has and the undeniable fact that the thing is obnoxiously loud, this comes off as even more of a slap in the face since these problems will be alleviated. MS essentially made early adopters the beta testers.
 
If this new revamp does come out microsoft better give a nice gift to the rest of us who purchased their dated system at $400. If not, I will not be getting their next generation system when ever that comes out.
 
I dont need a biggger hdd...What are you guys storing on these things anyway....I also dont need a hd-dvd drive...My launch console works just fine
 
[quote name='Boeing 747']Has Nintendo ever re-released a home console? [/QUOTE]

Ignoring handhelds, I can't remember any major console revisions hitting retail. I also remember seeing pictures of the NES toploader, but I never saw it in stores.

Nintendo did remove the digital 480p connector from later Gamecube models, but they were clearly the third horse in sales by that time. That was just a business decision to remove a feature that few used to cut costs (and price) to the bone.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Buying a console is not the same as buying a car. I'm sorry, but it's just not. There's not big annual updates like with a car and the value of the older system isn't the concern here. It's that MS' tactic is screwing over consumers who bought the older system with absolutely no knowledge that a functionally superior version would be coming out. And considering the reliability problems that the current version has and the undeniable fact that the thing is obnoxiously loud, this comes off as even more of a slap in the face since these problems will be alleviated. MS essentially made early adopters the beta testers.[/quote]

You have had the system for up to a year, how is it a slap in the face...you didn't realize that at some point there would be updates? It happens with just about every product out there, razr phone then they come out with the chocolate...I bought a sony 50 inch tv last febuary, come this summer the same model got a major update, get over it. Yes the system is loud, but is it really a problem for you playing. I don't even notice it, and I never hear anyones system making a shit load of noice over xbox live. MSFT owes you nothing, you bought the system that was available, you played there games. It isn't like this system won't work afterwards, you still can play xbox 360 games with it. The system comes out and people bitch about the noise, lack of disk space, and the lack of hdmi. Now there is an "alleged" rumor that they will come out with a system like that and people bitch saying how msft lied to them
 
Looks like they took a page out of Nintendo's book. I hope anyone complaining about MS potentially redesigning and improving their console and selling it for the same price doesn't own a DS Lite and a DS Phat. No double-standards please!
 
[quote name='peteloaf']It almost makes me feel as if we paid full price to beta test the hardware.[/quote]

M$oft has always done this, and still people line up like Charlie Brown trying to kick that football.

Better you then me.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']You have had the system for up to a year, how is it a slap in the face...you didn't realize that at some point there would be updates? It happens with just about every product out there, razr phone then they come out with the chocolate...I bought a sony 50 inch tv last febuary, come this summer the same model got a major update, get over it. Yes the system is loud, but is it really a problem for you playing. I don't even notice it, and I never hear anyones system making a shit load of noice over xbox live. MSFT owes you nothing, you bought the system that was available, you played there games. It isn't like this system won't work afterwards, you still can play xbox 360 games with it. The system comes out and people bitch about the noise, lack of disk space, and the lack of hdmi. Now there is an "alleged" rumor that they will come out with a system like that and people bitch saying how msft lied to them[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']You have had the system for up to a year, how is it a slap in the face...you didn't realize that at some point there would be updates? It happens with just about every product out there, razr phone then they come out with the chocolate...I bought a sony 50 inch tv last febuary, come this summer the same model got a major update, get over it. Yes the system is loud, but is it really a problem for you playing. I don't even notice it, and I never hear anyones system making a shit load of noice over xbox live. MSFT owes you nothing, you bought the system that was available, you played there games. It isn't like this system won't work afterwards, you still can play xbox 360 games with it. The system comes out and people bitch about the noise, lack of disk space, and the lack of hdmi. Now there is an "alleged" rumor that they will come out with a system like that and people bitch saying how msft lied to them[/quote]Nicely said. I can't believe some of you people are actually bitching about being beta testers :lol: :lol:
 
I'm glad this is comming out.

I don't care, about the new ports or bigger HD. I'm never going to Download an HD movie.

I hope that this makes MS sell more consoles and that's better for ALL 360 owners. More consoles means more games.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']Oh ho! On to my logic, are you? You're absolutely right -- I do think the PS1 and PS2 revisions were insignificant! I mean, how could a change in size not be the most significant thing ever? It directly affects the system's functionality! And those version changes were pretty damn significant too! Since I can't seem to say anything to your cunning logic, I guess I'll arbitrarily decide that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.[/QUOTE]

Chacrana, that's not the only thing that changed in the PS2 from the original launch version. PS2 slim includes the internet adapter (lets you go online to play online games and I had to buy it seperately hiking up cost of the older console model), removing the harddrive slot (screwing old owners of any future support of HDD in games), having the IR (which launch models did not have and had to buy a seperate adaptor for IR), the switch to a smaller chipset (I don't know when this started but I know my PS2 doesn't have the smaller chip), better disc drive (less chance of DRE from original old batch of PS2s), etc.

Then theres the GBA. Lets see. GBA not backlit. GBA SP clamshell design helps protect the screen and side lit. GBA SP v2 adds backlit. GBA micro shrinks it all down into this ridiculously small package (minus clamshell design). Original GBA owners should feel the most burn.

Gameboy, Gameboy pocket (much better screen with less motion blur and smaller in size, Gameboy Color (can you say color). Another mess.

Lots have upgraded in the past (I didn't list all, even the Intellivision had multiple versions). As long as Microsoft offers an option to buy a HDMI cable adapter for the older 360's I don't see a big problem with what they are offering if this turns out true. Its been pretty obvious that there would be a bigger HDD at some point. Same goes for a smaller chip that runs cooler (Microsoft has mentioned this many times in interviews from various MS employees). HDMI a lot of people speculated about.
 
[quote name='Chacrana']That analogy is completely irrelevant. You know that a new model of a car is going to come out. A system revision with this many significant changes is completely unprecedented.[/quote]

Bigger HD, HDMI and possibly HD DVD are NOT significant changes.


HD can be easily upgraded.
HDMI is not that huge of an upgrade and doesnt effect gameplay. It may look slightly better but Im pretty sure most people will not notice.
HD DVD built in is not a huge upgrade since it only effects movie playback.
 
[quote name='ryanbph']Yes the system is loud, but is it really a problem for you playing. I don't even notice it, and I never hear anyones system making a shit load of noice over xbox live. [/QUOTE]

My 360 is better than the original Xbox's high-pitched Thomson drive whine that was audible regardless. 360 DVD whir is what I would expect for a ~$300 piece of consumer level hardware, so my complaints do amount to nitpicking. Truth be told, I notice it during quiet scenes and when I'm on Live because I can't blast the speakers and voicechat.
 
[quote name='jmiller80']Ignoring handhelds, I can't remember any major console revisions hitting retail. I also remember seeing pictures of the NES toploader, but I never saw it in stores.[/quote]

It did indeed hit retail. I don't know how well it did(probably not ver), but it was in stores. And the v2 of the SNES, one of my dormmates had one, so it too was sold.
 
[quote name='M12']Bigger HD, HDMI and possibly HD DVD are NOT significant changes.


HD can be easily upgraded.
HDMI is not that huge of an upgrade and doesnt effect gameplay. It may look slightly better but Im pretty sure most people will not notice.
HD DVD built in is not a huge upgrade since it only effects movie playback.[/QUOTE]
How are they not significant changes? HD DVD added in would be one of the biggest significant changes MS could do
 
fuck, screw you microsoft. I wish I could pay $75-$150 to microsoft, send them my console, and have them upgrade it. But alas, that will never happen. I also JUST got my 360. I don't want to shell out $400-$600 again to buy another.
 
[quote name='pop311']fuck, screw you microsoft. I wish I could pay $75-$150 to microsoft, send them my console, and have them upgrade it. But alas, that will never happen. I also JUST got my 360. I don't want to shell out $400-$600 again to buy another.[/QUOTE]
then dont buy it
 
everyone needs to quit bitching, there was nothing hidden when you opened the box, when you brought your 360 home and opened it up did you say "WHAT NO HDMI?"

no, so you bought it, thats your bad, as did i, its not a big deal, stop crying

LMAO to those of you that think your being scammed into being beta testers... what a joke.
 
[quote name='anomynous']How are they not significant changes? HD DVD added in would be one of the biggest significant changes MS could do[/quote]

MS is not going to release games in HD DVD.

The only thing that integrating the HD DVD adds:

1) Saves space
2) You can display your movies over HDMI
 
PS2 got progressive scan, networking, and IR in later revisions.

PS1 went from a 1x drive in the 3av launch systems to a 2x drive that was more reliable, while dropping the av ports and later dropping the serial port.

This is not unprecedented. Wouldn't you rather have MS fix deficiencies in their system as time goes on?
 
[quote name='pop311']I wish I could pay $75-$150 to microsoft, send them my console, and have them upgrade it. But alas, that will never happen. I also JUST got my 360. I don't want to shell out $400-$600 again to buy another.[/QUOTE]

Anyone feel like starting a console leasing business? ~$25/mo for the latest console rev.

Gamefly? Cheapy?
 
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