[quote name='propeller_head']blah de blahblahblah. ever heard of the saying K.I.S.S. keep it simple stupid. trying to sound like youre from scottland yard doesnt make the points you try to raise any more legitimate.
youre right not many ppl did buy the core system. but they did offer it and again ITS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE PREMIUM except it doesnt have a HDD or a wireless controller. big whoop. there are 3 probably shitty games you cant play w/o the HDD. people can always buy the HDD at any time.
take for instance some1 bought a core because they didnt have the money for the premium. they play it and enjoy it for a few months & have the money for the HDD so they add it. is that worse than not playing it for a few months and then buying a premium? cause thats what youre implying. that giving people the option is somehow jipping them.[/quote]
You're, yet again, missed my point. If you'd like me to "Keep it Simple Stupid," let me do so, for the fifteenth time.
With everything that comes in the box, the Core Xbox 360 can not play certain games, and can not utilize others to their full extent (playing DLC, playing online).
What don't you get about that? Again, you're using the same grammatical error ("all...except") by saying it's "ITS NO DIFFERENT FROM THE PREMIUM except it doesnt have a HDD or a wireless controller."
Well, the reason I pointed your first usage of it out is that the use of "except" renders the use of "all," or "no different," neutered. If you have to list exceptions, then it is no longer the case that "all" games work, or that it is "no different." By making specifications about what the core is, in fact, you're reminding me precisely that it *is* different from the premium console.
Somehow, I'm keeping it very simple, and you're not figuring it out. I refuse to take the blame for that.
i called you negative because that's what you are. i was simply pointing out THE OBVIOUS FACT. are you going to deny that sony waited a year so they could incorporate BR? that the inclusion of BR raised the price CONSIDERABLY despite being a year later & technically equiv to the 360? Dragnet style. just the facts. if you consider the facts negative, its only because youre inherently defensive of sony & reactionarily see their faults being illustrated as attacks instead of what they are.
Where are you pulling this from? You're putting a lot of words in my mouth, and making a great deal of assumptions, in order to portray me as "negative." I've never said, nor denied, anything in the above quotes, Senator McCarthy, so you can keep your self-righteous diatribes.
YOU SAID QUOTE "in the years to come Premium 360 users could just as easily find themselves unable to play certain software."
THEN you argued by saying people who bought the core couldnt play all the games and listed 1 you knew for sure and 2 you were unsure of (all of which suck according to reviews, i looked to see if they really did require HDD. FFXI is the only 1 i found that said it did).
YOURE TRYING TO PAINT THE PICTURE THAT MS IS CONTUNALLY ROLLING OUT REVISIONS THAT MAKE OLDER MODELS OBSOLETE.
THAT IS CLEARLY NOT THE CASE AND YOU KNOW IT. ITS THE SAME
ING CONSOLE, JUST HAS A BIGGER HARD DRIVE (
which will be available to any1 who already has a 360) AND HDMI AS STANDARD.
YOU DONT NEED TO BE STEVEN ING HAWKING TO GRASP THE CONCEPT
Actually, the argument I'm making is that, based on the business model Microsoft chose, some users don't get to use all of the content of their 360 if they rely strictly on what they get out of the box (my rather rudimentary argument about the capabilities of the core system). As a result, I argue, I would not be surprised to find that Microsoft would do that again in the future. You're willfully misinterpreting the things that I say to suit your definition of me as a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy, and if that suits you, fine.
Let me quote myself, and how I was pointing out the pitfalls of MS including an internal HD-DVD, which is not something I forsee them doing in the future. Nevertheless, that's at the root at some of the claims/guesses I make that seem to have gotten your ire. Let me post them here to test your reading skills.
[quote name='mykevermin']It's quite a conundrum for 360, really. They've pledged to embrace the HD-DVD format, and that's fine (esp. since the player is both optional and reasonably priced). However, they've also pledged (and I don't really fully believe this for the long-term future of the 360) that the HD-DVD will only be used for movies, and never for games.
If they choose to integrate it, and add the other things people want, they've easily constructed a $500 console (I'd say it's premature to say it would be $600 - especially b/c MS can weather losses better than Sony, and they're well aware of the backlash of pricing a system that high). Anyway, if they integrate it and allow it to be used for games, they've alienated the just-shy-of-10-million people who currently own a 360, and shown that consumers can't rely on a 360 for the duration of its lifespan based on on the system itself, but the bureaucratic decisions of the company.
OTOH, if they merely integrate it as a movie player (just as likely), they have a system that's closer in price to the PS3, but gives Sony the size advantage because that storage can be used for the PS3 titles, but not the 360.
It's a major catch-22. Personally, I'd like a larger HDD for the 360 and that's about it. I don't see why HDMI is so bloomin' necessary, since the 360 *could* feasibly achieve 1080p over component (it does already for games, doesn't it?). Moreover, if they're committed to not using HD-DVD as a gaming format, it may not serve them well to integrate it (unless the end strategy is to create three-tiers of consoles for consumers to purchase from - yikes).[/QUOTE]
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