Xbox 361, who's buying? (Link added with additional pics)

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[quote name='friedram']Better call the WAAAAbulance.

This is why I wait 2-3 years before picking up the console- that and I don't pay full price for the games, just buy them when they are under 30 bucks. Why the hell should I start buying the newest damned stuff when as a PC gamer, I have over 100 PC games in backlog. LOL. I look forward to buying one of these. =D

Thanks to everyone who beta tested the old ones for me![/QUOTE]

Who says I pay full price for this you unoriginal douchebag. I got my 360 with credit and never paid $60 for a game....

Go play your illegal PC games now.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']If you can provide some evidence on this that would be great. I am not aware of the 360 being able to do 1080p over component. I thought it was only VGA.[/QUOTE]

WTF? Where the fuck have you been? I hope that was a joke.
 
[quote name='pimpinc333']If you can provide some evidence on this that would be great. I am not aware of the 360 being able to do 1080p over component. I thought it was only VGA.[/QUOTE]

WTF? Where the fuck have you been? I hope that was a joke.
 
[quote name='anomynous']For the last time, the 360 can already do games in 1080p through component or VGA[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this was directed towards me, but my point is it doesn't RENDER games at 1080p. All your getting by setting it to that is your 360 upscaling it rather than your TV. Hence why I said having HDMI isn't a big deal IMO (not that I'll mind). People are getting too worked up over this-as though they didn't expect any improvements ever.
 
[quote name='anomynous']For the last time, the 360 can already do games in 1080p through component or VGA[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this was directed towards me, but my point is it doesn't RENDER games at 1080p. All your getting by setting it to that is your 360 upscaling it rather than your TV. Hence why I said having HDMI isn't a big deal IMO (not that I'll mind). People are getting too worked up over this-as though they didn't expect any improvements ever.
 
[quote name='anomynous']For the last time, the 360 can already do games in 1080p through component or VGA[/QUOTE]

Not sure if this was directed towards me, but my point is it doesn't RENDER games at 1080p. All your getting by setting it to that is your 360 upscaling it rather than your TV. Hence why I said having HDMI isn't a big deal IMO (not that I'll mind). People are getting too worked up over this-as though they didn't expect any improvements ever.
 
To quote dMek:

It is also laughable that people actually believe that the Xbox360 supports 1080p. It is simply using an upscaling chip to convert the signal to 1080p to send to the TV, which the TV was doing anyway when you send a 720p signal to a 1080p TV. There is no native 1080p material on the Xbox360. HD-DVD's have a 1080p res, but I am not sure if the Xbox360 is actually decoding the 1080p signal or upconverting a 720p signal to 1080p via the scaler.


To Sum up today's lesson:


Microsoft claimed a high definition drive was not necessary. The have released one.


Microsoft claimed that 1080p is a pipe dream and would not be needed for the next gen. They have released updates for that.


Microsoft claimed that HDMI would not be needed. That will be changing soon.


Microsoft stands firm that 20GB is enough for current gamers. It is only a matter of time before we get to ridiculously overpay for an larger yet undersized drive.


Lets have some fun with a future scenario:


The HD-DVD drive will never be used for games......
I guess when J.Allard's claimed "Well, we have the same hardware", he meant so through hundreds of dollars of upgrades and a year of sofware and hardware updates.
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[quote name='anomynous']They are going to start having 1080p games, so the 360 can do 1080p[/QUOTE]

Not realistically. It's memory bandwidth constrained even at 720p, and only has 8 ROPS. It really doesn't have the hardware to do it unless you're doing fairly simple graphics (ie you'd have to massively lower the graphical quality to do 1080p).

I think the next generation will be the one we realistically get 1080p. 720p looks amazing though, so I'm not exactly complaining (not to mention my TV is "only" 720p :D )
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Not realistically. It's memory bandwidth constrained even at 720p, and only has 8 ROPS. It really doesn't have the hardware to do it unless you're doing fairly simple graphics (ie you'd have to massively lower the graphical quality to do 1080p).

I think the next generation will be the one we realistically get 1080p. 720p looks amazing though, so I'm not exactly complaining (not to mention my TV is "only" 720p :D )[/QUOTE]

Splinter Cell Double agent already has 1080p
 
[quote name='ahmedmalik']To quote dMek:[/QUOTE]

So you would rather them NOT listen to what the community wants? If they did that, you'd be first in line to bitch about that too, I'm sure.
 
"Buying"...uh, no. Now under it's 2 year "Protection Plan", will my 360 develop some sort of "problem" on the day these show up in my Microcenter? Most definitely....add's new meaning to the word "Protection Plan"....

:)

TexTuna
 
[quote name='propeller_head']well know tommorow if it's fake.

This Guy is gunna hold a press confrence at CES 6:30PM in Las Vegas[/QUOTE]

Anything Gates says at CES will purposely avoid mentioning upgrades to their console. As is, I believe these new units would be rolling out in July at earliest - I don't have a source to cite, but I vaguely remember reading that July 2007 is when the 65nm processors would be in consumer units. Saying in January "Yes, it's official, we are bringing out a new 360 model with some minor hardware upgrades" is an absolutely terrible idea from a business perspective, and Gates is a businessman. Really, any announcement now would be like saying "Don't buy our product at all for the next 6 months."

Nintendo denied the DS Lite until only a few short weeks before the Japanese launch. Sony denied the PS2 slim until immediately before it was on the shelves. If they announced new hardware was coming any earlier, then it would have been like jamming on the break for sales in the short term. Hitting the breaks now would lose a lot of Microsoft's year head start.

Edit: I said this before, and I'll say it again: why are people idiotically suggesting that HD-DVD will be built in this new model? Where has it ever been suggested that HD-DVD is included? Xbox-Scene and Engadget both outlined all of the supposed upgrades: 65nm processor, 120GB HDD, HDMI port onboard/new scalar chip. That's it.
 
[quote name='alongx']Anything Gates says at CES will purposely avoid mentioning upgrades to their console. As is, I believe these new units would be rolling out in July at earliest - I don't have a source to cite, but I vaguely remember reading that July 2007 is when the 65nm processors would be in consumer units. Saying in January "Yes, it's official, we are bringing out a new 360 model with some minor hardware upgrades" is an absolutely terrible idea from a business perspective, and Gates is a businessman. Really, any announcement now would be like saying "Don't buy our product at all for the next 6 months."

Nintendo denied the DS Lite until only a few short weeks before the Japanese launch. Sony denied the PS2 slim until immediately before it was on the shelves. If they announced new hardware was coming any earlier, then it would have been like jamming on the break for sales in the short term. Hitting the breaks now would lose a lot of Microsoft's year head start.

Edit: I said this before, and I'll say it again: why are people idiotically suggesting that HD-DVD will be built in this new model? Where has it ever been suggested that HD-DVD is included? Xbox-Scene and Engadget both outlined all of the supposed upgrades: 65nm processor, 120GB HDD, HDMI port onboard/new scalar chip. That's it.[/quote]

the people who keep saying HD-DVD inside are all sony fanboys masqerading as upset 360 owners trying to spread FUD. just ignore them.

and i know the 65nm is rolling out in either jun/jul. digitimes was the 1 that reported Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing pushed the 65nm SOI back 1Q.

your right just because he doenst announce it doesnt mean its not coming. but he could. say if he combined it with an immediate price drop on the ones out now ;)

1 of 2 things will happen

- the HDMI model will be specific and all the other models will continue to ship w/o HDMI.

- the HDMI model replaces all current models

now if the 2nd is the case they're going to have to clear out all the non-HDMI machines unless they're user upgradeable somehow to HDMI.
and whats the best way to do that? announce a price drop on them 6 months before the HDMI model comes out.

so, if he does announce a price drop. you can safely assume the rumor is true.
 
fucking hell. Already Xbox 360 isn't good enough to compete with the next gen systems.

If Microsoft wasn't ready to stick through on the long-haul with the 360, why the fuck didn't they just wait another year?

This makes me really fucking mad that I spent >$400 on what will, in less than two years time, be outdated.


Next thing you know they'll finally release an HD-DVD drive built in to play games from, and us early adopters who bought at launch will be screwed to the wall.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']fucking hell. Already Xbox 360 isn't good enough to compete with the next gen systems.

If Microsoft wasn't ready to stick through on the long-haul with the 360, why the fuck didn't they just wait another year?

This makes me really fucking mad that I spent >$400 on what will, in less than two years time, be outdated.


Next thing you know they'll finally release an HD-DVD drive built in to play games from, and us early adopters who bought at launch will be screwed to the wall.[/QUOTE]
They will never have a built in HD DVD drive, please read the thread.
 
They already have had 6 difrrent versions of HDMI are you bitches going to cry when 1.4 comes out and PS3 and 360(If the rumor is true) only have 1.3?
 
I'm not concerned.. I don't have an HDTV and I don't use that much space on the HDD as it is. The only thing that interests me is the new processor if it helps it run better.. but I don't see it making that huge a difference anyway.

I'd only consider getting the new model if my 360 dies again.
 
This whole deal doesn't really matter to me. I don't have a TV that uses HDMI. I don't care about a bigger hard drive (and, hello, they'll sell it seperately if you want one so bad), and the new chipset isn't really going to make all that much difference. The games will still play exactly the same, and if you actually think that Microsoft would alienate the 10,000,000 users that already have a system by making some big change that means games will only play on new systems, you are a fool.

In fact, I'm so not concerned about all of this, that I actually bought a new Core system (need one in the office and one in the living room, ya'know) yesterday knowing full well these changes were coming.
 
This whole deal doesn't really matter to me. I don't have a TV that uses HDMI. I don't care about a bigger hard drive (and, hello, they'll sell it seperately if you want one so bad), and the new chipset isn't really going to make all that much difference. The games will still play exactly the same, and if you actually think that Microsoft would alienate the 10,000,000 users that already have a system by making some big change that means games will only play on new systems, you are a fool.

In fact, I'm so not concerned about all of this, that I actually bought a new Core system (need one in the office and one in the living room, ya'know) yesterday knowing full well these changes were coming.
 
By just reading this thread, you would come to the conclusion that 90% of American homes have $3000 HDTVs equipped with HDMI input because 90% of the people are mad about a new X360 with HDMI.

Those who are mad about this ill-rumored "upgrade" better be staring at a $2000 Bravia with HDMI already. You act like you are up in arms ready to buy a 50" DLP on the day this new X360 arrives. Ironic this is CHEAP ASS Gamer.com.

With your broke ass!
 
I have the MS protection plan, and my 360 already has a few minor quips...e74 errors, black screens on bootup, etc. Don't know if I could get them to send me an HDMI unit later on, but its worth a shot. For what its worth I do have a HDMI TV.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I don't give a shit about HDMI, the standard still isn't finalized anyway.

I do want a bigger hard drive and I am sure a bigger add-on is coming.[/QUOTE]

I want a bigger HD too, I only use 1GB of the useable space right now,but It would be nice to have.
 
I want to know why a lot of people in this thread think only $2000+ HDTVs have HDMI inputs. My 32" Polaroid 720p LCD HDTV (I got it for Christmas, and I know it was less than $1000)has a HDMI input. Nearly all, if not all, HDTVs made now have at least 1 HDMI input on them, regardless of resolution.
 
[quote name='anomynous']I want to know why a lot of people in this thread think only $2000+ HDTVs have HDMI inputs. My 32" Polaroid 720p LCD HDTV (I got it for Christmas, and I know it was less than $1000)has a HDMI input. Nearly all, if not all, HDTVs made now have at least 1 HDMI input on them, regardless of resolution.[/QUOTE]

My 37 Vizio that I picked up from Sams club was $800 and has 2 component and 2 Hdmi ports for HD content. It's just that if we was in a Wii thread people would cry "WE don't want HD!" but because we are in a 360 thread, people say " I want HDMI!" when they probably don't even own a HDTV. It's all about finding something to complain about, no big deal, thats just how these boards work.
 
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/ces-2007-xbox-360-announcements-leaked-iptv-dvr-vod-226561.php

Dean T. of the Mercury News just made an oops and leaked some Xbox 360 announcements Microsoft was planning on dropping next week at CES. Not only does he mention the improved Xbox 360s with 120GB hard drives and HDMI ports, he also talks about the use of the Xbox 360 as an IPTV set-top-box. The leak says Microsoft's IPTV services will have instant channel change, multiple picture-in-picture, broadcast shows, video on demand, and DVR functionality—gotta use those 120GB for more than just trailers.
Sounds like Dean Takahashi's getting a Takahating from Microsoft tomorrow. – Jason Chen
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[quote name='Wolfpup']I mainly just want a QUIET 360 and a fixed d-pad on the controller. I'll trade in my 360 in a second if I can get a quiet one.[/QUOTE]

Hear hear. My 360 is too damn loud for non-gaming activities like HD-DVDs and video downloads. It's distracting to watch a movie with that vacuum going full blast over the dialog.

That, and a high capacity hard drive is all I need. HDMI I can do without.
 
Quick question: Supposedly the current 360 has a 20 gig hard drive, but when I look up the system specs on it there's only a few gigs in use (for the demos and trailers that came with the unit) and it says there's only 10.3 gigs free. Is there something I'm missing here?
 
[quote name='Mr Durand Pierre']Quick question: Supposedly the current 360 has a 20 gig hard drive, but when I look up the system specs on it there's only a few gigs in use (for the demos and trailers that came with the unit) and it says there's only 10.3 gigs free. Is there something I'm missing here?[/QUOTE]
The 360 operating system.
 
[quote name='Mr Durand Pierre']Quick question: Supposedly the current 360 has a 20 gig hard drive, but when I look up the system specs on it there's only a few gigs in use (for the demos and trailers that came with the unit) and it says there's only 10.3 gigs free. Is there something I'm missing here?[/QUOTE]

Noob :roll: ;)

The 360 uses some of the HDD as Cache to speed up data for games+other things.


[quote name='Brak']The 360 operating system.[/QUOTE]
The OS is located in memory on the MOBO, otherwise how would a core unit work?
 
If it has the bigger HD and a newer processor, couldn't Microsoft still put out an HDMI cable for those of us with the 1st gen? They still have two major selling points on the newer one if they did
 
[quote name='MetalGator']If it has the bigger HD and a newer processor, couldn't Microsoft still put out an HDMI cable for those of us with the 1st gen? They still have two major selling points on the newer one if they did[/QUOTE]

The current 360 models AV out port might not support HDMI standards.
 
A bigger HDD would be awesome, but I don't really need it with the current marketplace pace. Quieter and cooler is always better, but unless they swap out the DVD drive it won't make a difference how quiet anything else is. That being said, if the new unit is just totally badass, I'll return my current one.
 
[quote name='Diiz']A bigger HDD would be awesome, but I don't really need it with the current marketplace pace. Quieter and cooler is always better, but unless they swap out the DVD drive it won't make a difference how quiet anything else is. That being said, if the new unit is just totally badass, I'll return my current one.[/QUOTE]

It has to be black.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']It has to be black.[/QUOTE]

I'm an equal opportunity gamer, color doesn't make a difference to me.
 
[quote name='Diiz']I'm an equal opportunity gamer, color doesn't make a difference to me.[/QUOTE]

You know what they say "Once you go black, your going to need a wheel chair"

No but really, For me to buy another 360 It would have to come in black or be a special Halo edition.
 
I don't need the newer one unless someone fronts me a nicer TV. Otherwise, I'll listen in respect to the larger HDD. I don't live in a museum, so I can't hear the drive across the room.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']MS's Bill Gates CES keynote speech is on now.[/QUOTE]

Did they unveil a new Xbox 360 model? Also, what about a price?
 
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