Xbox 361, who's buying? (Link added with additional pics)

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[quote name='TexTuna']"Buying"...uh, no. Now under it's 2 year "Protection Plan", will my 360 develop some sort of "problem" on the day these show up in my Microcenter? Most definitely....add's new meaning to the word "Protection Plan"....

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Too bad the new systems will be more expensive than $399.
 
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/jan07/01-07CES2007PR.mspx

Xbox 360 and Microsoft TV: Together Expanding the World of Games and Entertainment

In a move that will combine the power of Xbox 360 with Microsoft TV IPTV Edition, Bach provided an early look at a new service, IPTV on Xbox 360. The offering is expected to deliver world-class TV experiences such as digital video recording capabilities, with gaming, movie viewing, and even voice and video communications. Tapping into an expanded set of entertainment experiences, users will be able to watch their favorite sporting event live while chatting with their friends, for example, or participate in a match on Xbox Live® while they record a TV program in the background. IPTV on Xbox 360 is expected to be available to consumers by holiday season 2007 and will be offered by providers that are deploying TV services based on the Microsoft TV IPTV Edition software platform.

“Our goal is to make entertainment more personal, more interactive and more social,” Bach said. “IPTV on Xbox 360 and Xbox Live are powerful examples of ways we are bringing together the worlds of gaming, TV viewing and community to make it easy for people to access and discover their favorite content and share their personal experiences with the communities they are part of.”

Microsoft TV IPTV Edition continues to strengthen its position in the market with deployments under way with five of the world’s largest service providers and trials with 11 additional companies, representing a footprint across 14 countries on four continents.

Bach also showcased the strong momentum behind Xbox 360 and highlighted the company’s success in delivering high-definition viewing experiences with HD DVD. Exceeding expectations by hitting the 10.4 million-console-sold mark this holiday season, Xbox 360 is the leading next-generation games and entertainment platform. It is also the largest social network in the living room, with 5 million Xbox Live members.

In addition, strong sales of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player and strong demand for downloadable movies and television programs are a clear indication that increasing numbers of consumers see Xbox 360 as an ideal device for connecting to a broad range of entertainment experiences. In just over a year, people have downloaded more than 100 million pieces of content to their Xbox 360 consoles, which include game content, television shows and movies.
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IPTV confirmed, but no mention of hardware changes (in the press release, anyway). Of course, a larger HDD is inevitable, but as most console makers know, you make those sorts of announcements when they're ready to ship to stores, lest you want to crush the chance of people buying your system between now and then (price drop notwithstanding).
 
[quote name='terribledeli']Live running on Vista? Count me in.[/QUOTE]

Thats old, Live is going to be on your everything from xbox to your computer to even you cell phone. This was shown last year.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']Thats old, Live is going to be on your everything from xbox to your computer to even you cell phone. This was shown last year.[/QUOTE]

Not in the context they just shown. All they did was show a video of how it was supposed to work last year. Showing it actually working is completely different.
 
I can't wat for IPTV it gonna rock!
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[quote name='terribledeli']Not in the context they just shown. All they did was show a video of how it was supposed to work last year. Showing it actually working is completely different.[/QUOTE]

This pic is from August of 06
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[quote name='anomynous']So does Sonic (I think)[/QUOTE]

You guys wnat to post sources for that? I double checked reviews for Splinter Cell, and no mention of 1080p. It's EXTREMELY unlikely a "big" 360 game like that could do 1080p for the reasons mentioned.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']fucking hell. Already Xbox 360 isn't good enough to compete with the next gen systems.[/quote]

Why on Earth not? It blows the Wii's hardware out of the water, and is in the same ballpark as the PS3.

This makes me really fucking mad that I spent >$400 on what will, in less than two years time, be outdated.
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It'll only be outdated if it completely flops so there are no new games, and that doesn't seem to be happening.


Next thing you know they'll finally release an HD-DVD drive built in to play games from, and us early adopters who bought at launch will be screwed to the wall.
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No they won't. Even if Microsoft allowed games to be released on HD-DVD, publishers would never choose it over DVD.
 
I tend to agree that alot of people here are blowing this out of proportion. There are some good points being made such as Microsoft's repeated changing of their stance in whats needed for gaming and what's not.

Can we all agree that its more the fact that they are rolling out such an update so soon after launch that is pissing people off and not the actual update?
 
[quote name='Wolfpup']Those links seem to be about Microsoft's (then upcoming) support for 1080p as one of the resolutions you can choose in the dash. The games aren't rendering at 1080p, just outputting at that resolution (as everything can now). Everything's 720p (except for a handful of games that do slightly lower).[/QUOTE]

In that case they wouldn't have mention Splinter cell and Sonic individually and the title would have been ALL 360 TITLES in 1080p. Up-scaling applys to every title not 1 or 2 select title.

"Splinter Cell: Double Agent will support 1080 progressive scan display for the Xbox 360" does not elude upscaling.
 
hmmm tempted, but I think the HDMI upgrade will only really benefit the HD-DVD users with the 360 since all the games will be 720p natively anyway.
 
[quote name='Michaellvortega']In that case they wouldn't have mention Splinter cell and Sonic individually and the title would have been ALL 360 TITLES in 1080p. Up-scaling applys to every title not 1 or 2 select title.

"Splinter Cell: Double Agent will support 1080 progressive scan display for the Xbox 360" does not elude upscaling.[/QUOTE]

They were specifically talking about an option in the debug build, and how the upcoming (past) dashboard update was going to enable it for all games.

Not one review I've read has claimed it renders it at 1080p. And again, that would be a remarkable (read: impossible) feat considering the 360's architecture.
 
I really don't see what everyone is so concerned about. There are almost 10 million "old" xbox 360's out there and there will be a lot more by the time this is released. There is no way developers will screw over the bulk of the 360 gaming community, they want to make money. Won't the update allow you to do most everything anyhow? The only thing that I don't like is the inclusion of a bigger harddrive, but as we all know at this point, it does detatch and is therefore upgradeable. Everyone needs to cheer up :) I just got my 360 little over a month ago and while the news irritated me at first, it doesn't really change too much as far as I'm concerned.
 
It seems to me an awful lot of you are getting your panties in a wad over unannounced hardware. For all we know it's an entirely different sku/product marketed at a different segment and won't be out till next Chrsitmas.

My hell, calm down, there is no proof that you got screwed by buying an Xbox in any way shape or form.
 
[quote name='Zoglog']I don't see why people care that much in general. It's not that big of a change and the HD will be upgradeable.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. The hard drive is external for a reason.
 
Ok folks

Breathe deeply and calm down. I've posted in that thread a few remarks and will share my wisdom here.

First off this isn't an MS announcement but a rumor, once that persisted back last year in July of 2006.

Second, this doesn't affect gameplay at all. It affects how you can output your 360, and might affect playing HD content from live marketplace or from your HD-DVD player if you have one. The issue involves HDCP and whether you can play back a given title to your HDTV or not via HDMI, and what you're worried about is years away. In the short term, the only problem is HDMI and 1080p- most 1080p tvs don't support 1080p without HDMI but some do.

I would be somewhat disappointed if HDMI cannot be used on existing consoles; MS ought to come clear/clean about this and say it cannot and will not be done. If you want to be angry about this, be angry over this specific thing, but recognize too that this doesn't render your 360 as a useless device, anymore than 802.11n wifi renders existing ps3s supporting 11g "useless" and recognize that until MS ever released an HDMI cable, the 360 never officially supported it, so it's a stretch to say MS hoodwinked you.

As far as new HDs go, MS needs to implement something that will make it easier to replace or upgrade the HD. we know the HD is upgradeable... we also know that it isn't straightforward in moving things from 1 HD to another today- so a 120 gig drive upgrade sounds like it could be more trouble than it's worth.

I do not think the HDDVD will ever be built in the 360; MS wasn't _that_ committed to this format otherwise the 360 would've already had it built in.
 
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I agree with your post. The problem is, this forum is full of the anal rententive type that feel like they got screwed, jiped, and bamboozled if they weren't given the option at 360 launch to get in a time machine and see if there would ever be another 360 sku in the future so they could wait and be assured they had the top notch, very best, most reliable 360 possible.

Arguing that games play the same regardless is pointless to this mindset.

These are probably mostly the same people that wouldn't buy Viva Pinata SE because it didn't look uniform on their alphabetized game case rack.
 
thats just damage control. MS has already said that HDMI 1080p was nascent. they dont want to cannibalize potential 360 sales for the next 6 months.

100:1 HDMI comes out w/ the 65nm fab units.
 
[quote name='propeller_head']thats just damage control. MS has already said that HDMI 1080p was nascent. they dont want to cannibalize potential 360 sales for the next 6 months.

100:1 HDMI comes out w/ the 65nm fab units.[/QUOTE]

Im on that bet for $10 that it wont come out with HDMI in that time period with the 65nm units.
 
Wow take about freaking out for no reason.

I don't even understand the big deal, it's a slight upgrade, so what's the big deal? Some of you are acting like this will make the old 360 useles, are you smoking something? IT'S THE SAME SYSTEM! It's not like this is the Xbox 4D or something. And Nintendo does this every year. There are 4 different GBAs, 2 different DSs with a rumoured 3rd, 2 GCs, and by the end of the year two Wii's. It's not that big of a deal. So I say more your ass on.
 
HDMI will be added in the future. How soon is unclear. The fact is HDMI is the future in HDTV systems so MS would be making a mistake by not putting in HDMI at some point. I believe the VGA cable resolves the 1080p issue on just about every set on the market today.

I don't feel that HDMI is really an issue for most people since every HDTV offers Component jacks and most HDTV owners do not have 1080p sets. I plan on purchasing a 720p set soon so I guess it won't even affect me.

The real question is if you order the new IP tv service are they going to give you a free hard drive upgrade of 120gig or more? IP tv would be useless with the existing 20 gig hard drive.

Anything less than 80 gigs for a dvr service is too small. Especially when you start looking at the size of tv programs in HD.

So if they include a larger hard drive or the HD-DVD drive in the $399 system then I will feel like I've been screwed. But if they make those systems cost just as much as the price to upgrade my system to be equal that should be fair.
 
With the low amount of people who will actually be able to get AT&T's IPTV via their Xb360's I doubt a free HDD upgrade will be a promotion. Only people who have project lightspeed or fiber to the pole ready areas are going to be able to take advantage of the IPTV service. AT&T has the right to pick and choose the areas THEY wish to service, so if your not in a high income bracket area don't expect IPTV anytime soon.
 
I have a question. If they pretty much just add like some HDMI ports as well as it comes with.. say an 80 or 120GB HDD, how can we upgrade our systems?

The HDD is detachable, but is there/would there be a wa to put everything on your 20gb onto your new HDD?
 
yea i would see it being done by live. use a simple checkbox screen to make note of what you have on your 20GB. then you'd power it off put in the 120GB, power it on, log in & redownload it all. so, say you could use your 20GB drive for demos if you wanted & only move over your XBLA games. only downside to this setup is if you put your own media on it. you would have to do that again manually.
 
ChaoticClimax don't believe the 10 million sales figure. I found out that M$ is counting all consoles they have shipped, that includes replacements. Now I know that doesn't sound like it makes that big of difference, but they have replaced or fixed alot of original launch 360s. M$ is really starting to get on my nerves with their comments, did they learn nothing from sony? Bill Gates now saying they wouldn't have built the 360 if it was going to be just for gameing. And Peter Moore going after Sony like a 12 year old girl. I've got to tell you I really hate all this bs from both camps. Can we convince Sega to create a new console, and go back to the good old Sega vs Nintendo days. They at least kept it civilized.
 
[quote name='millrat1030']I've got to tell you I really hate all this bs from both camps. Can we convince Sega to create a new console, and go back to the good old Sega vs Nintendo days. They at least kept it civilized.[/QUOTE]

I don't know if I'd call it "civilized" but at least all they were concerned about was gaming, and the competition was stiff enough that the consumer really benefited.
 
I would just have to assume it's part of the dev kit. I don't see why the unit would need to physically be bigger.

On an unrelated note, I might have to get F2.
 
Apparently the DEV kits run much quieter than the "real" hardware :whistle2:(

And yeah, no reason the hard drive will look any different. The drive is physically the same size.

[quote name='starmask2k3']no wifi that sucks[/QUOTE]

Not really, considering it's easy to add it (and probably more compatible than having something built in) and most people don't use it.
 
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20070126/xbox-360-microsoft-shipments.htm

(International Business Times) - Microsoft (Nasdaq: MSFT) slashed the shipments forecast of its Xbox 360 video game console yesterday, in a move some analysts believe will pave way for a future price cut and even an updated version of the game system.



Chief Financial Officer Chris Liddell said on Thursday that Microsoft aims to ship a total of 12 million of its game consoles by June 30, the end of its fiscal year. This is down from a previous 13 to 15 million units target, but some industry observers feel the Redmond, Wash.-based firm is winding down inventories for an upcoming price cut.

"We assume roughly a $100 price cut with the premium unit selling for $299 versus $399 previously," said Rick Sherlund, research analyst for Goldman Sachs.

"With Sony likely delivering enough consoles to meet demand by the June quarter," he explains, "this would seem to be an appropriate time for Microsoft to move down the price curve and benefit from the elasticity of demand."

Also, with Microsoft's smash hit Halo 3 likely to begin shipping in September, Sherlund feels the software giant can still "become profitable in this quarter even with this price reduction."

Microsoft's latest game console made its debut in November 2005, roughly a year ahead of next-generation machines from rivals Sony Corp. and Nintendo Co. Ltd. Since then it has sold over 10 million units, executives said yesterday.

Citigroup's Brent Thill believes that the firm may be lowering its shipments as it makes way for a revision of the game system, which may come this year. Thill believes the new design will be a revised motherboard design, HDMI ports for high-definition video, and 120 GB of storage - 6 times more than its current capacity.

Not all industry experts agree, however.

"A hardware refresh may be in order later this year, but more to cost-reduce the console rather than adding more parts, " commented Paul McNealy of American Technology Research.

Microsoft's Entertainment and Devices division, the group responsible for the Xbox projects, contributed 21 percent towards the software company's $2.68 billion for the quarter.

Shares of Microsoft closed slightly up on the Nasdaq Stock Market today, rising 0.56 percent, or $0.17 to $30.60.
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