XBOX Originals - Gen Discussion & Info - 11/17 Zapper 1200pts

[quote name='javeryh']I never played Halo... so I'm thinking about it...[/QUOTE]
Halo is probably the only game on the list you couldn't easily get cheaper elsewhere. I still wouldn't do it, personally.
 
[quote name='javeryh']I never played Halo... so I'm thinking about it...[/quote]

Just smear a thick layer of vaseline over your TV, or take out your contact lenses and play Halo 3 storymode. You'll get the same effect. :)
 
[quote name='Puffa469']This is something Ive heard echoed from alot of my friends. Saving points/money for GHIII/Rockband DLC.

Do you think its possible that DLC for those games could actually hurt sales of XBLA games?[/quote]

IDK, maybe. All my points were free except the $5 1600 points from the Halo 3 deal from BB. I still can't justify spending $15 on the games currently offered. Sure, some of them are great, but when they are so cheap used, I have to pass.
 
[quote name='Puffa469']Just smear a thick layer of vaseline over your TV, or take out your contact lenses and play Halo 3 storymode. You'll get the same effect. :)[/quote]


I did the same thing with vaseline. but it wasnt with a tv.

And it wasnt with halo 3.

Long story...
 
I don't understand why these companies (Nintendo and Microsoft) are releasing downloads at such crazy prices. Halo is $9.99 MSRP and every Best Buy I have been to has tons of them. Same with other games. I think these downloads should be 1/3 - 1/2 the current price.

The classic game downloads are even worse. Midway Arcade Treasures had 20 games on 1 disc for $19.99 MSRP and TRU had it for $6 a few months later. I guess those days are over when they can get away with $5+ for 1 game
 
What's said is that EBStop was destroying copies of Crimson Skies last time I was there because they were worth so little.
 
[quote name='Damian']What's said is that EBStop was destroying copies of Crimson Skies last time I was there because they were worth so little.[/quote]


Wow...why not just offer it with the purchase of an xbox game...duh.
 
I'll go to G$ and buy a scratched up disc for less than if I bought a DRM'd up the ass download from M$ instead.
 
[quote name='BackInBlack']Wow...why not just offer it with the purchase of an xbox game...duh.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I wasn't going to get into it with the kid. He seemed to be taking a great deal pleasure in taking a big box of $1.99 (I think) games out back and stomping on them.
 
1200 points with no extras is way too much for me. If they were 800 points or had achievements I'd have to really think about it.
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Halo is probably the only game on the list you couldn't easily get cheaper elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

maybe if youre a moron
 
With the condition they are being sold at (not-improved, no achievements, still bugs left intact) I wouldn't but them unless it is a game that is super rare and expensive to buy on original x-box disc use/new/etc. on ebay or wherever.
 
I may have voiced this in another thread, but here we go.

Nintendo's strategy I understand. Offering old games, that aren't readily available to the (IMPORTANT WORDS) mass public, for a price that would basically equal out to cost and shipping on EBay. Plus, it saves you having to locate the system.

Here's what gets me about MS. XBox games are cheap AND readily available in mass-market chains. Beyond that, MS also pledged backwards compatabilty. That's the difference. MS is offering something you can get cheaper just by going to a store, something even Joe Public can do, which *should* be playable on the 360, if MS hadn't dropped the ball. Nintendo is offering an easy alternative for old systems.

Sorry, it just bothers me when people seem to complain about these two strategies in the same way.



ANYWAY... more on-topic... any word on whether the DL Fable will contain the Lost Chapters, or is it just plain ol' Fable?
 
[quote name='PyroGamer']Halo is probably the only game on the list you couldn't easily get cheaper elsewhere. I still wouldn't do it, personally.[/QUOTE]
Halo is $10 at Best Buy, so not hard at all to get it for less.
 
Here is my only thing with Xbox originals. For games likes Psychonauts/Indigo Prophecy, the developer is getting paid for it. Yes, you could find it cheaper used elsewhere, but the developer sees none of that money. This way, they can get paid. For most games, it is honestly retarded to pay $15 for some of those, but for games like those two it is a great, easy way to support the developer.
 
[quote name='regisphilbi0']Here is my only thing with Xbox originals. For games likes Psychonauts/Indigo Prophecy, the developer is getting paid for it. Yes, you could find it cheaper used elsewhere, but the developer sees none of that money. This way, they can get paid. For most games, it is honestly retarded to pay $15 for some of those, but for games like those two it is a great, easy way to support the developer.[/quote]
This is a good point and I agree with it (assuming M$ is paying the devs). However, if this takes off M$ WILL abandon BC, guaranteed (which they pretty much have at this point).
 
Wait, wait; maybe I'm missing something, but are these XBox originals not running on the XBox emulator? I'm ignorant on the matter in that I haven't researched what games are being released versus what games are backwards compatible, but wouldn't the original code base have to be updated substantially for each game to get them to run on the 360, given that the architectural differences between the two systems are substantial?

If the games are using the emulator (which makes infinitely more sense to me), I don't see how this is going to cause an abandonment of backwards compatibility (wasn't there an update not all that long ago, anyway?).
 
[quote name='007']That's the difference. MS is offering something you can get cheaper just by going to a store, something even Joe Public can do, which *should* be playable on the 360, if MS hadn't dropped the ball.

ANYWAY... more on-topic... any word on whether the DL Fable will contain the Lost Chapters, or is it just plain ol' Fable?[/QUOTE]

Why did you say "*should* be playable on 360"? Every Xbox Original is already playable on BC and every future Xbox Original will be BC as they are running on the 360 with the exact same emulator.

The downloadable Fable is the original, not Lost Chapters (though you can easily find Lost Chapters for under $10 in stores).
 
[quote name='cdrober']With the condition they are being sold at (not-improved, no achievements, still bugs left intact) I wouldn't but them unless it is a game that is super rare and expensive to buy on original x-box disc use/new/etc. on ebay or wherever.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. From what I know, Marvel vs. Capcom 2 is the super rare and expensive game to buy.

I would hunt for the original games that is available for M$ version of the Virtual Console at Gamestop/EB.
 
I might have bought Fable, if it was the Lost Chapters edition. But, it might be awhile (if ever) before I buy an original Xbox game on my 360.
 
Most likely no, but it depends on the game. Something like MvC2, yes. The launch games for this feature? Maybe.

The problem is that this feature is a generation TOO early. If this was the 'Xbox 720' then it would make sense and I'm sure more people would be more excited over it. THAT would be the equivalent to downloading an N64 game on the VC.

But like someone said, I doubt MS will allow these games (or any other future downloadable Xbox Original games) to go BC. They HAVE to know that some games can be found for $10 or less. Give or take a few dollars.

But overall, I'm not ruling anything out. If something's good and hard to find/expensive..then yes :)
 
[quote name='lilboo']
But like someone said, I doubt MS will allow these games (or any other future downloadable Xbox Original games) to go BC. They HAVE to know that some games can be found for $10 or less. Give or take a few dollars.
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The announced Xbox originals are all already BC. Assuming that all Originals games will be running on the XBox emulator on the 360, it's a safe bet that the originals will dovetail with whatever MS may continue to do as far as expanding BC.
 
Conceptually, I think the idea of xbox originals is cool, but right now (as a lot of other folks have pointed out), Microsoft is not offering something to make these a must-buy. As much as it would outrage people, if these originals started to be games that weren't normally backwards compatible, I would be interested, but we all know what kind of uproar that would create.
 
I'm passing, not just because I have most of these games on disc already, but for a number of other reasons (HD space, Price, technical issues). I really hope they do not start releasing alot of old games this way. Dont wast resources on this.
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']Why did you say "*should* be playable on 360"? Every Xbox Original is already playable on BC and every future Xbox Original will be BC as they are running on the 360 with the exact same emulator.

The downloadable Fable is the original, not Lost Chapters (though you can easily find Lost Chapters for under $10 in stores).[/quote]

Sorry... I was a bit tired. To clarify, I was speaking in general, not these specific titles. As in, if MS had done what they said, ANY store bought XBox disc would work on the 360.

Also, that's a bit of a copout not offering Lost Chapters. You say you can still get it in stores for less than $10... which, frankly, was my entire point.
 
[quote name='regisphilbi0']Here is my only thing with Xbox originals. For games likes Psychonauts/Indigo Prophecy, the developer is getting paid for it. Yes, you could find it cheaper used elsewhere, but the developer sees none of that money. This way, they can get paid. For most games, it is honestly retarded to pay $15 for some of those, but for games like those two it is a great, easy way to support the developer.[/QUOTE]

while I do agree with the sentiment and like to support the good guys...

you could also support them by buying a physical game

just sayin

that is a good point though. the best one i've seen to even consider DLing an original even though I still wont'

I would MUCH, MUUUCH rather see some homebrew games up on the Marketplace for cheap or free since I bet some of those blow the current offerings away.
 
[quote name='PKRipp3r']while I do agree with the sentiment and like to support the good guys...

you could also support them by buying a physical game

just sayin[/quote]

I think the issue with that is you cant really find any of these games new anymore, which is the only way to support the developer by purchasing the physical game. If you buy these games used, your only supporting Gamestop.
 
I can't see a game that would make me purchase it via "Xbox Originals", especially at the 1200 Points/$15 asking price. Granted, I still have an Xbox, so that's my workaround for anything short of 100% BC.

I'm really wondering who this service is geared towards. Most serious gamers either already have most of these games or know that they can be had in 'hard copy' for less, the "Arcade"/"'tard pack" crowd can't download them, and "Johnny Madden" and "GTA-Unit" most likely have no interest in last-gen games at this point. I guess Microsoft knows there are still enough lazy gamers out there to make it worth their efforts.

If you buy these games used, your only supporting Gamestop.

Or eBayer X. Who could effectively be another CAG. (Taps forehead) That's how I do it.
 
[quote name='Damian']What's said is that EBStop was destroying copies of Crimson Skies last time I was there because they were worth so little.[/QUOTE]

My local GS had a stack of various $1.99 - $4.99 Xbox games that they destroyed because they were running out of room. I don't recall if Crimson Skies was in their pile but about a million old sports games were.

I sort of wish they would've just given them away but really, even if I was offered a free Madden 2003, I probably still wouldn't want it.
 
Nope. like others have said. Its cheaper to buy the used game rather then DLC that is going to take up space on my 20gb....err 12gb hard drive.
 
If some were $10 and they were titles that were hard to find new, perhaps.

On one hand, I understand that adding Achievements and other goodies simply isn't possible in most cases because why would, say, Double Fine dedicate a half-dozen to a dozen programmers off of Brutal Legend to work on Psychonauts, especially considering the initial public reaction (ie: *Yawn*). It also doesn't help that retooling the code to include things like Achievements may wreck the already-finished product as it is, requiring additional weeks of retooling and QA. Toss in the fact that they would have to work with MS's BC team to either modify the existing emulator for the game or create a whole new one and that's already eating through most of the profits Double Fine might have seen on an XBOriginals release.

On the other, save for Psychonauts, the other titles are ones I could still buy new. While the price makes sense in comparison to the Live Arcade games, it's still a really hard pill to swallow for most of us gamers.

On my non-existant third hand, back in Pittsburgh it seems that the used game scene ebbs and flows all over the place. When a system launch approached or the next "big title" came out the local stores (EB/GS, The Exchange, etc.) were swamped with old games and systems of every variety. When dead periods showed up people who were trading in everything they had would come back and buy up older titles they either traded in or wanted before. 'Twas a beautiful recycling of games, for certain, but some people would be buying back the same title four or five times over. Maybe MS is hoping to tap into that mentality? Even still, it's digital rather than physical media, so it wouldn't touch upon most of these customers either.

Curiouser and curiouser...personally, I say MS should have left it for a later update, possibly Spring. By that time EB/GS could be getting rid of XBox sections in order to save space, so hopefully the New games become "Used" and much harder to find/easier to acquire. Then MS could have rolled out with the Originals with a launch that's 50 titles strong at $10 a pop, which would have been an interesting enough price with a strong lineup behind it. Something for everyone, as it were.
 
My local GS had a stack of various $1.99 - $4.99 Xbox games that they destroyed because they were running out of room.

Jesus...there's got to be some organization or charity they can throw these games at for the very underprivileged. I know many of the titles are probably the disc equivalent of a dented can of lima beans at the holiday food drive, but do something nice and maybe even get a little good pub for a change, EBGamestop!
 
I prefer my games on DVD disk.

I dont like to jam up my harddrive.

if you buy a download, you cant resell it or lend it out, etc
 
[quote name='neocisco']However, if this takes off M$ WILL abandon BC, guaranteed (which they pretty much have at this point).[/quote]

BC is pretty much gone and I'll willing to wager this will be the last console generation to feature BC.
 
I'm not sure if I'll buy them. Microsoft would have me sold if they added achievement points to these game to make them worth the 15 bucks, instead of the 7 I could spend at EB and get the actual game.
 
BC is pretty much gone and I'll willing to wager this will be the last console generation to feature BC.

I fear that you're 105% correct. No more 'compilation' discs, either.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']My local GS had a stack of various $1.99 - $4.99 Xbox games that they destroyed because they were running out of room.

Jesus...there's got to be some organization or charity they can throw these games at for the very underprivileged. I know many of the titles are probably the disc equivalent of a dented can of lima beans at the holiday food drive, but do something nice and maybe even get a little good pub for a change, EBGamestop![/quote]

At the very least you could stuff the dvd cases into the walls of a house and use em for insulation and sound dampening. ;)
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']I guess Microsoft knows there are still enough lazy gamers out there to make it worth their efforts.
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Considering how cheap and easy it is to offer these games it'll only take a few sales to fully pay for the cost of making them available. It doesn't matter how well or poorly they sell, it's pretty much pure profit.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Don't the "Xbox Originals" have to be BC in the first place to work on the 360?

If so how could they abandon BC?[/quote]

No new updates. Let's say they add a new game to the Originals list that hasn't yet made it to a BC list. My guess is that anything new would NOT be added as 'disc useable', but only as a download.

Make sense?
 
[quote name='007']No new updates. Let's say they add a new game to the Originals list that hasn't yet made it to a BC list. My guess is that anything new would NOT be added as 'disc useable', but only as a download.

Make sense?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, still that would be a pretty crappy thing for them to do, I'd hope they wouldn't do something like that.
 
Yea, this whole thing is a waste of Live bandwidth, resources and dev/support personnel time. Had they included achievements I might have been tempted to go back and play a few classics or DL'ed something I missed but there is just no way I am wasting my money or hard drive on those.
 
[quote name='jollydwarf']My local GS had a stack of various $1.99 - $4.99 Xbox games that they destroyed because they were running out of room.

Jesus...there's got to be some organization or charity they can throw these games at for the very underprivileged. I know many of the titles are probably the disc equivalent of a dented can of lima beans at the holiday food drive, but do something nice and maybe even get a little good pub for a change, EBGamestop![/quote]

They could have gave them all to Child's Play. Then ship out the million copies of EA Sports games and probably have enough so every hospital's cancer ward has a full sports lineup for kids to play.

But the greedy fuckers probably figured they didn't want to spend the dime transporting all those games to various hospitals.
 
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