YOU Balance the Budget (Cali)

I hate these. It took years to rack up the debt and they want a magic bullet to solve it within a year. You can't do that. It will take at least a decade to minimize the debt without collapsing California in the process. New taxes will only further increase the debt as well.
 
i kinda just ran through this and im sure i would change things if i did it again. not only that this is soooo overly simplified its not even funny.

10 billion in cuts, 15 billion in new taxes.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...21/53/10/2/42/45/33/26/23/15/8/51/47/20/11/0/

im going to try and search for an old post i made a few months ago about how we got here and what our budget goes to...

edit, here it is, didnt reread it before posting ;)

[quote name='RAMSTORIA']i was going to say that as well, weve been in the shitter for years.

californias problem is simple, it has a spending problem. in 1997 our budget was 100 billion (31 billion from federal funds). in 2007 our budget was 200 billion (60 billion from federal funds)! now, just think about that for a minute. a 100% increase in 10 years?! something is wrong. if our budget had grown naturally over the last 10 years (based on inflation and population increases) wed have a surplus right now.


heres our upcoming budget, just take a look and let your mind be boggled.
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lets see...

30 billion of the budget goes to a broken education system.
nearly 10 billion is going to prisons.
38 billion going to health and human services

there ya go thats 65% of the budget right there. so what do we need, easy. health, education and prison reform. if it wasnt 1130 id look for the articles about how much is spent in california per student in education and how much actually makes it to the classroom level, its disturbing. we can cut the prison budget by releasing prisnoers, changing a few laws and getting rid of 3 strikes. and health... well we need to reboot that.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Koggit']personally, there's no way i could support cutting k-12 or the universities[/QUOTE]

its a tough cut, but all it would do is shorten the school year by a few days. i dont know about you but when i went to school we spent more than a few days wasting time and doing nothing. its not an easy bill to swallow, but all things considered its one we probably have to.
 
Considering the amount of time some kids miss because of snow in parts of the country, California could probably shave a few days off the school year and not have it really make a difference. Maybe even try to spin it as a positive thing.
 
That Health & Human Services portion is a mighty big chunk. Education could care to lose a few administrators as well, or their pay cut.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Gay Marriage brings money, California. Buttttt you blew it. Good job. :applause:[/QUOTE]

The deficit is $20B.

If a marriage costs $200, you would need 200 million gay couples filling that hole.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The deficit is $20B.

If a marriage costs $200, you would need 200 million gay couples filling that hole.[/QUOTE]

Ba-dum pssshhhh!

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']The deficit is $20B.

If a marriage costs $200, you would need 200 million gay couples filling that hole.[/QUOTE]

It wouldn't solve the problem, but it surely would help out a great deal. And, please, finding 200 million gay couples to fill holes is easy :nottalking:
 
[quote name='Shrapnellistic']Legalize and then tax weed. Pardon inmates with marijuana sentences.[/QUOTE]

this is actually pretty brilliant... and what about prostitution while we're at it? escort services exist anyways, might as well regulate & tax em.. plus it'd bring in commerce from neighboring states, whose residents may not wanna drive to vegas
 
Nice find, Koggit.

It really kinda shows just how fucked things are there. I couldn't balance it without raising taxes, which I was utterly loathe to do. I also cut ~$5 billion in pensions for state workers and teachers, which the app told me might be illegal--which kinda blew me away--and which would almost certainly be challenged in court.

[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']I say legalize murder and tax it.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming you're being sarcastic and referring to Sharp's very rational and reasonable comment about legalizing weed.

Please, educate me: how is weed anything like murder?
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']I'm assuming you're being sarcastic and referring to Sharp's very rational and reasonable comment about legalizing weed.

Please, educate me: how is weed anything like murder?[/QUOTE]

The use of both are illegal.

Let's review the benefits of the legalization of murder.

1. Lower daycare costs due to dead children.
2. Smaller classroom sizes due to dead children.
3. Better teachers due to incompetent teachers being killed.
4. More courteous commutes due to angry drivers killing each other.
5. Fewer police required due to murders not being illegal. As an aside, cops could kill assault victims to keep their caseloads manageable.
6. Quicker divorces.
7. Recycling centers could finally pay good money for spent brass.
8. Ninjas.
9. Better wait staff due to the ability to tip with knives and bullets.
10. Better patrons due to wait staff having the ability to poison asshole clients.
11. Easier ways to get to the front of the ER.
12. Easier ways to unlock inheritance.
13. Social security and medicare insolvency solved overnight.

and my personal favorite...

14. Intentionally left blank.

What are the negative effects of legalizing murder?
 
[quote name='Koggit']this is actually pretty brilliant... and what about prostitution while we're at it? escort services exist anyways, might as well regulate & tax em.. plus it'd bring in commerce from neighboring states, whose residents may not wanna drive to vegas[/QUOTE]

Don't agree with weed, but has anyone suggested legalizing (and taxing) prostitution yet? And why not? Neighboring Nevada has legal brothels. And it's not like reducing no-victim consensual-sex crimes won't be beneficial in other ways, such as reducing the burden on courts and jails. Good idea here.

My budget proposal under the simplified LAT site was $15.6 billion in cuts and around $8.4 billion in tax increases. Of course, it's more likely they'll do part of some of these proposals than the "cut the whole thing" presented. The gas tax put me over the top, but I would only need around $800 million and not the extra billions, so I'm not sure how much of an increase that would be (maybe 5 cents or something). I made sure not to do any one-time fixes, either, since that just postpones the decisions until next year.

But yeah, it's a tough situation. Unfortunately, California's government has completely failed the people there. Hope they figure something out, because there really is no good option given the obligations that the government has undertaken without the revenue to pay for them. Time to start cutting!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...51/48/29/36/34/27/49/42/18/20/3/14/2/35/17/0/
 
Why not weed?

There are 3 things that are frowned upon but like.. there's money to be made. Things that will not go away so why not make money from it?! This applies to every state, not JUST CA.

Weed, Prostitutuon, and Gay Marriage. Legalize all 3 everywhere and we may just seem a boom in our economy ..
 
I'm also in support of gay marriage. Charge the GAY Penalty, and make it a grand for the license. Then make the divorce called the asshole special and make it 80/20 since someone obviously has to be the bitch in the divorce. Now that's progressive.
 
We should legalize weed. And prostitution. And gay marriage. On a national level. Then we might get out of this whole economic depression. Plus people would be much happier.
 
But the 3 of those would make the Christians mad. :(
Not because of those 3 things, but because Christians don't want anyone to be happy :(
 
[quote name='lilboo']Actually, Divorce in general SHOULD be taxed to hell since more people are getting divorced these days.[/QUOTE]
Come on now, lilboo. That's just dumb.

I don't know why you'd want a government incentive to keep unhappy people in a relationship and under the same roof.
 
[quote name='lilboo']Actually, Divorce in general SHOULD be taxed to hell since more people are getting divorced these days.[/QUOTE]

What we should do is make sure women get SHIT from the divorce and pay the government a PROTECTION tax that's far less then the ass reaming a divorce usually is. I'd pay for it and so would millions of married people in California.
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']Congratulations Californians, you're fucked. I don't even know what else to say at this point. God damn.[/QUOTE]

We can at least say with pride that we at least aren't Rhode Island, Illinois, Detroit, and France.
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']

What are the negative effects of legalizing murder?[/QUOTE]

I really fucking hate having to resharpen my knives, and people charge too much to do it for me.
 
[quote name='Paco']We can at least say with pride that we at least aren't Rhode Island, Illinois, Detroit, and France.[/QUOTE]

Well...Detroit isn't bankrupt...yet.
 
[quote name='Koggit']this is actually pretty brilliant... and what about prostitution while we're at it? escort services exist anyways, might as well regulate & tax em.. plus it'd bring in commerce from neighboring states, whose residents may not wanna drive to vegas[/QUOTE]

Prostitution is legal in New Zealand and taxed. For what's it worth. One of the many things I learned about while I was down there.
 
Repeal prop 13 which locks personal property taxes at 1%, and problem solved....once they also fix their constitution so it cant be amended by simple majority in a ballot initiative.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']once they also fix their constitution so it cant be amended by simple majority in a ballot initiative.[/QUOTE]

terrible idea. if the legislature could have passed budgets over the last 10 years with a 51% majority wed be in much worse shape than we are right now.
 
[quote name='Magehart']I hate these. It took years to rack up the debt and they want a magic bullet to solve it within a year. You can't do that. It will take at least a decade to minimize the debt without collapsing California in the process. New taxes will only further increase the debt as well.[/QUOTE]

As Kogett said - deficit, not debt. It did, in fact, take a year to run this up. ;)

And for all you people who think California is screwed, give it a few years and our federal government will be in the same position.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']

And for all you people who think California is screwed, give it a few years and our federal government will be in the same position.[/QUOTE]

The federal government is actually in much much worse shape..infinitely worse actually. Cali is worried about a $24 billion shortfall. The federal government has a $1.8 TRILLION shortfall this year and another $10 trillion in expected deficits over the next 10 years. Long term unfunded obligations (that can't be covered by current tax rates) exceed $50 trillion.

Difference between the federal government and California state government?

The feds can print money. ;)
 
[quote name='Capitalizt']Difference between the federal government and California state government?

The feds can print money. ;)[/QUOTE]

Not to Godwin the conversation, but that's the same thing Hitler tried. It didn't work well for him and, one day, it'll stop working for us.
 
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