YOU Balance the Budget (Cali)

[quote name='Koggit']We (America) spend $4 billion a year enforcing marijuana laws and it's a $112 billion a year industry, estimated to (hypothetically) bring in $31 billion a year if taxed... so the govm't would have an extra $35 billion and the violent drug cartels would have $112 billion less. Every. Year. We'd also have 600,000 marijuana offenders (25% of the prison population) removed from correctional facilities and able to become productive members of society -- not to mention saving about $7 billion a year by not providing their housing/food/guards/etc in prison. $42 billion a year.[/QUOTE]

This argument is based on the assumption that people will stop purchasing marijuana illegally if it is made available legally (probably won't happen if the taxes are high enough) and that all of the 600,000 you claim are in prison for marijuana charges are there only on marijuana charges, and wouldn't otherwise be in jail for other crimes they committed in conjunction with the drug charges, which I doubt to be the case, but maybe I'm wrong, and if I am please inform me better.

As for everything else, I'll get back to you after I get home from work.
 
I wasn't trying to convince you to start or anything, just saying rationale against smoking is not rationale against what's being smoked -- I'm anti-smoking and pro-mj, smoking is unhealthy but there's nothing wrong with the herb.


[quote name='spmahn']This argument is based on the assumption that people will stop purchasing marijuana illegally if it is made available legally (probably won't happen if the taxes are high enough) and that all of the 600,000 you claim are in prison for marijuana charges are there only on marijuana charges, and wouldn't otherwise be in jail for other crimes they committed in conjunction with the drug charges, which I doubt to be the case, but maybe I'm wrong, and if I am please inform me better.

As for everything else, I'll get back to you after I get home from work.[/QUOTE]
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People get med cards in green states and purchase their stuff for street prices legally ($40/eighth) and the dispensaries make a killing... its so insanely profitable for them to sell at street prices, everyone prefers to go legal, plus their stuff is usually way better (which is why any great mj is called "medical grade" even if the strains are unrelated)... you can bet your ass if everyone could purchase from legal dispensaries nobody would purchase on the street.. at least, no more-so than people buy underground beer.

i dont have the exact stats on mj convictions / prison populations & i have a life so feel free to research that yourself. you seem to be arguing just for the sake of it and i'm not really into wasting my time.
 
[quote name='Koggit']I wasn't trying to convince you to start or anything, just saying rationale against smoking is not rationale against what's being smoked -- I'm anti-smoking and pro-mj, smoking is unhealthy but there's nothing wrong with the herb.[/QUOTE]

I know, I was joking around more than anything else. I know it's something that would make me "fit in" a bit more. Standing outside having everyone exhale and the wind pick it up and blow it in my direction, isn't exactly fun for the only non smoker... As for what being smoked, it's all the same to me. There's a distinct reason you cough and putting a flame anywhere near you're lungs doesn't quite compute to me.
 
My apologies for not getting back to this sooner. Unfortunately I have been preoccupied with family and work commitments, and haven't had much more than fleeting time for this, and this is the last I'm going to talk about this subject because I'm tired of it.

For outpatient drug rehab to be successful, the person who is receiving the rehabilitation will actually have to WANT to be rehabilitated, which in many instances, especially when forced by the law, is not going to be the case. If drug addicts are under the jurisdiction of a board of doctors and social workers, rather than in prison, what happens when the drug user does not want to cooperate with the program? If they just end up in prison if they refuse treatment, than what is the point really?

People who do drugs recreationally are going to see forced rehab as a punishment, not a reward. If the forced rehab however is not actually forced, (and by that I mean applied forcibly, as in in jail or a supervised living environment), than how will it actually work?
 
well they may have hammered something out...

The California State Senate finished passing 31 bills early Friday morning to close a $24.2 billion gap in the state budget. Added to $921 million in reserves, state lawmakers claimed to have solved a $25.3 billion budget problem.

The State Assembly was in caucus Friday morning but is expected to vote on the package later in the day.

The final package includes $15.6 billion in cuts, $3.9 billion in revenue “solutions,” $3.9 billion in additional borrowing, $500,000 in fund shifting and $1.2 billion on one-time savings from deferral of June 30, 2010 state worker paychecks until July 1.

The package completes work to resolve a more than $60 billion state budget deficit since Jan. 1, Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg said before the vote.

“There are a whole host of decisions on the cuts side that pain me greatly — deep cuts to education, to health and human services and to local government. Given the circumstances, I am grateful for all the things we were able to save,” Steinberg said in a press release.

Major spending cuts include:


$6.1 billion in K-14 education funds (the number includes $700,000 million from community colleges)
$2 billion in higher education funding for the University of California and California State University systems
$1.3 billion from the state worker furloughs per month through June 20, 2010
$1.2 billion from corrections
$1.3 billion in Medi-Cal cuts
$1.7 billion from local redevelopment agencies
$334 million in developmental services programs
$528 million in CalWORKS, the state welfare program
$226 million in the In Home Supportive Services Program and
$124 million in the Healthy Families Program.

The package protects CalWORKS from elimination, reduces time limits for aid and cuts cash assistance for beneficiaries who do not meet program requirements. It maintains the state home care program but imposes major new fraud prevention measures.

Enrollment in Healthy Families, the government health care program for children, was already frozen by the state July 17. The new cut may prompt the state to drop some children from the program.

Revenue solutions include $1.7 billion from increasing payroll withholding by 10 percent, $610 million from accelerating personal income and corporation tax tables to boost 2009-10 collections and $1 billion from the sale of a portion of the State Compensation Insurance Fund.

Additional borrowing includes $2 billion following suspension of Proposition 1A, passed by California voters in 2004. The move will divert 8 percent of property tax revenue from cities, counties and special districts to the state General Fund. The state will have to repay the amount — with interest — within three years.

The package also includes borrowing $1 billion in transportation revenue from local governments to pay for debt service on transportation bonds. This money must be paid back with interest over a 10-year period.

Fund shifting includes $100 million from an oil drilling lease project off the Santa Barbara coast.

Government reform legislation approved as part of the budget fix allows the state to sell the Orange County Fairgrounds, but limits authority to sell off properties such as San Quentin Prison unless the deal is considered good for taxpayers.

The package allows the state to sell, lease or repurchase certain properties and enter into long-term leases for others but slaps on a requirement for annual reporting of surplus properties.

The budget package eliminates, consolidates or reforms more than 10 boards and commissions. The Integrated Waste Management Board and the Bureau of Naturopathic Medicine are singled out for elimination.

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2009/07/20/daily91.html?t=printable

it hasnt passed all the way yet, but if it doesnt... well ya know.

im shocked that deferring paychecks for 1 month will save 1.2 billion... thats mind boggling, does the state really have 1.2 billion in payroll each month? thats 24,000 workers making 50k a year (simple math not fact). amazing...

ugly ugly deals though, shifting funds, possibly privitizing prisons, oil drilling thrown in (and only $100 mil to show for it). what will be interesting is how the state looks in 5 years. will the cuts still be around? will the spending finally level off and adjust to natrual inflation?
 
There are easily at least 24,000 state workers. All the counties and superior courts are state workers.

Either way, I'm glad I just graduated from UC Berkeley before all this hit, money was bad enough when I was there. It's pretty crazy when a top ten school has to have furloughs...
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']possibly privitizing prisons[/QUOTE]

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[quote name='brighenne']There are easily at least 24,000 state workers. All the counties and superior courts are state workers.

Either way, I'm glad I just graduated from UC Berkeley before all this hit, money was bad enough when I was there. It's pretty crazy when a top ten school has to have furloughs...[/QUOTE]

yeah i dont doubt there are that many, its just not a number you ever hear about so it caught me off guard.

and i hear that, i graduated from uc davis in 2005 and it was expensive as all hell then, i couldnt imagine just starting there now.
 
So...what type of fine, upstanding citizens will the state of California be letting out of their prison system? I.E. what kind of crimes have these individuals committed in the past? I'm sure it's out there, or will be known soon enough.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']So...what type of fine, upstanding citizens will the state of California be letting out of their prison system? I.E. what kind of crimes have these individuals committed in the past? I'm sure it's out there, or will be known soon enough.[/QUOTE]

Why not first in, first out?
 
As California businesses and local governments shed droves of jobs this past year, the state of California’s payroll ballooned by thousands of new hires.

In the 12 months that ended in June, the state enlisted 3,600 additional workers — a 0.7 percent gain, according to the state Employment Development Department.

California’s private industry slashed about 760,000 jobs — a 6-percent loss — during the same period. Local governments shrunk by 1.5 percent.

“Obviously not every hire that the state makes is unreasonable, but as a trend it’s a total indication of the problem that we have that the state doesn’t live within its means,” said Scott Macdonald, spokesman for Californians Against Higher Taxes.

As San Bernardino County’s unemployment rate soars to 13.6 percent — with more than 17,000 searching for work in the High Desert — critics are deploring state growth that seems to defy a state cash-flow crisis amid a brutal recession.

After hiring 17,791 more state workers in 2006-07, the state added 27,659 more by the middle of 2009, according to the state legislative analyst.

To help close a swelling budget deficit, the Legislature raised $12.5 billion in taxes in February and more recently agreed on seizing and borrowing nearly $4 billion from local governments.

“We can’t continue to overspend, and then turn around and look at taxpayers and businesses and say, ‘Now you have to pony up,’” Macdonald said.

Assemblyman Anthony Adams, R-Hesperia, provided a critical vote to pass the budget with the tax hikes, arguing the deal was necessary to resume strapped government services and pass a budget in both houses. But he said he will push to pare down the state payroll.

“I think it’s wrong that the state gains hiring at a time when everyone else is having to make massive layoffs,” Adams said. “We’ve asked our state employees to take furlough days, but we still have a large amount of obligations to everyone employed by the state, and it’s obvious to me that the state can’t afford that right now.”

Adams said more positions could be eliminated from state and county education offices and unnecessary social programs.

California spent about $30 billion on compensation and benefits for its 350,000 employees last fiscal year, according to the legislative analyst. That’s an average of more than $85,000 per employee. Last year labor accounted for more than 29 percent of state expenditures.

State government has begun making some cutbacks. The state lost about 600 executive branch jobs over the past year.

The state trimmed more than 1 percent of its workforce by eliminating 5,000 positions, some vacant, and is looking to cut another 2,000 positions. All state workers took a 14-percent pay cut through mandatory furlough days.

The state has hired more workers in part because there’s been an increase in the need for public services, said Jim Zamora, spokesman for the Service Employee International Union Local 1000, the largest state employees union.

The state Employment Development Department, for example, is reportedly looking to hire 1,500 more employees to accommodate the surging jobless population, he said.

“If you’re General Motors and you’re selling fewer cars, well you don’t need to build as many cars so you’re probably going to cut staff,” Zamora said. “In the state of California while certainly revenues are down, just as many people are being sent to prison as before. Just as many people come into the DMV office — the needs haven’t changed.”

Some state employees are funded through federal money or department revenue, and some state workers can’t be cut directly by the Legislature, Zamora said.

The University of California system — which employs about 180,000 state workers — makes its own hiring decisions. If a school has been awarded a federal grant for stem-cell research, for example, officials could choose to hire more researchers just as they raise tuition rates for students, Zamora said.

Zamora said he supports state workers sharing in financial sacrifices.

But there are plenty of other places burdened by government waste outside the payroll, such as too many high-priced state contracts with outside consultants, he said.

From 2003 to 2007, the state population grew by 5 percent — but the state budget swelled by 31 percent, according to Macdonald.

“While people are scrimping and saving, the state has raised taxes $12.5 billion, and we know when the Legislature comes back on the 17th (of August), there are a number of legislators that have said they are pushing for more taxes,” Macdonald said. “It’s no wonder that there is a lack of faith in state government.”

A recent Public Policy Institute of California poll revealed public approval of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has sunk to an all-time low — 28 percent. The Legislature’s is even worse, at 17 percent.

As of Saturday, the State Personnel Board Web site advertised 1,932 state job openings, including 74 state jobs available in San Bernardino County.

http://www.vvdailypress.com/common/printer/view.php?db=vvdailypress&id=13776

had to bump this thread with this story. bold added for emphasis.
 
California is a state that has been living outside of its means for quite some time. They tagged a majority of the state's income on two things, income from real estate and sales tax. When their housing bubble popped both those took a nosedive, exposing their massive budget horrors. Cast'em off into the Pacific i say. :)
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