[quote name='bmulligan']Moderate is a meaningless term. It's like being sort-of pregnant. You can deny it and live your life in self-denial up until the time your gut starts distending and you're 10 cm dilated. And I love how anyone who isn't a socialist is proclaimed to be a Far Righty. I couldn't be any further from that right than you are in your so-called 'moderateness'.
Just because you personally don't SEE the aforementioned rich people in your favorite charity line doling out new socks doesn't mean they don't exist. Most people who donate or volunteer don't advertise it, flaunt it, or use it to guilt anyone else into doing the same. And they absolutely don't imply that charity must be mandated by law.
Rich people pay al the taxes in this country an are responsible for all the charitible programs you moderates demand yet you still hate them. They can't win no matter what they do. Therefore your hatred of them is irrational, you argument illogical.
Even the "middle classes" of which you speak who are charitable are paying their taxes to support the needy. And under the current mindset, those middle classes are considered rich by most. Soon, anyone who can afford a month's supply of toilet paper will be considered rich. Your problem is that it IS a possing contest to see ho can be the most charitable.
You don't care about choice, or indiidual freedom, or property. All you care about is that people be forced to contribute more, according to your standards of what is right and fair instead of individual choice. And you use the politics of envy to achieve your ends. And to that end, it may make you feel better about yourself to claim the moderate label, but you are no such thing.[/QUOTE]
Again pathetic. You keep talking about this socialist nonsense and trying to paint us all as communists when its just not reality. We support war, just not the Iraq war so that makes us hippies. We supported John McCain...just not the John McCain that ran for president and was running a hate campaign so that makes us closet Democrats. We support some degree of deregulation, but we dont believe in full blown free markets so that makes us progressive pinkos. Honestly most of the people on the left here are pretty damn reasonable. Most of us here at CAG(and I would even so most Americans that lean to the left but deffintly not all of us)are pretty damn reasonable. We believe in many of the rights principles, but we believe that the right has been taken over by a bunch of extreme assholes like yourself, brolly and Limbaugh. People that are so delusional in their world views that they actually think that any sort of leftist policy regarding taxes is socialist and spouting crap like they wish Obama would fail. So naive and biased to actually think the rich are giving appropriate amounts when even other rich people(even those on the right)are often complaining they arnt doing the right thing anymore.
I for many years felt that we did need more deregulation and that the government would get the
out of our lives. However again being an actual living and breathing moderate and a reasonable person I see what these policies have done. At one point in time they worked, but people have become far too greedy. They dont reinvest in America anymore, they don't reinvest in the middle class anymore. Our rich just make as much money via every tax dodge and export they can. So there needs to be some level of wealth redistribution. Again though you miss how moderate many of us are. Where you and thrust and Ram take the attitude of the poor, charity will take care of them knowing damn well this isnt true people like me and myke, camoor and msut are rarely taking an extreme approach from the left. I dont want to simply redistribute wealth giving everyone a hand out. Thats wrong and it would be disastrous. I say loosen up many regulations, let the wealthy do what they want. I again unlike you have the abilty to recognize what does work that the right has put in place. More money then ever is coming into our country, despite outsourcing, despite the rise of china, despite it all our GDP has grown at a great rate in recent years. More money then ever is coming into our country......its just falling into the hands of less and less people. So again unlike you I say take a moderate route, take the smart route....recognize what works but recognize what needs to be done. Let the rich have their playground they call an open market. As long as its bringing in insane amounts of money into the country let it happen. But on the flip side to fix the problems it is creating for middle and lower class people tax the rich at a higher rate and instead of giving hand outs create some job programs and create jobs through green tech, hospitals, education, infrastructure and the military(OMG someone you say is liberal is calling for more miltary spending!).
Seriously get your head out of your ass and realize not everyone that disagrees with you is a socalist. I say far righters because that's exactly what you are. We that lean to the left at this board are just that, people that lean to the left not bleeding hearts.
Just because you personally don't SEE the aforementioned rich people in your favorite charity line doling out new socks doesn't mean they don't exist. Most people who donate or volunteer don't advertise it, flaunt it, or use it to guilt anyone else into doing the same. And they absolutely don't imply that charity must be mandated by law.
Rich people pay al the taxes in this country an are responsible for all the charitible programs you moderates demand yet you still hate them. They can't win no matter what they do. Therefore your hatred of them is irrational, you argument illogical.
Even the "middle classes" of which you speak who are charitable are paying their taxes to support the needy. And under the current mindset, those middle classes are considered rich by most. Soon, anyone who can afford a month's supply of toilet paper will be considered rich. Your problem is that it IS a possing contest to see ho can be the most charitable.
You don't care about choice, or indiidual freedom, or property. All you care about is that people be forced to contribute more, according to your standards of what is right and fair instead of individual choice. And you use the politics of envy to achieve your ends. And to that end, it may make you feel better about yourself to claim the moderate label, but you are no such thing.[/QUOTE]
Again pathetic. You keep talking about this socialist nonsense and trying to paint us all as communists when its just not reality. We support war, just not the Iraq war so that makes us hippies. We supported John McCain...just not the John McCain that ran for president and was running a hate campaign so that makes us closet Democrats. We support some degree of deregulation, but we dont believe in full blown free markets so that makes us progressive pinkos. Honestly most of the people on the left here are pretty damn reasonable. Most of us here at CAG(and I would even so most Americans that lean to the left but deffintly not all of us)are pretty damn reasonable. We believe in many of the rights principles, but we believe that the right has been taken over by a bunch of extreme assholes like yourself, brolly and Limbaugh. People that are so delusional in their world views that they actually think that any sort of leftist policy regarding taxes is socialist and spouting crap like they wish Obama would fail. So naive and biased to actually think the rich are giving appropriate amounts when even other rich people(even those on the right)are often complaining they arnt doing the right thing anymore.
I for many years felt that we did need more deregulation and that the government would get the
out of our lives. However again being an actual living and breathing moderate and a reasonable person I see what these policies have done. At one point in time they worked, but people have become far too greedy. They dont reinvest in America anymore, they don't reinvest in the middle class anymore. Our rich just make as much money via every tax dodge and export they can. So there needs to be some level of wealth redistribution. Again though you miss how moderate many of us are. Where you and thrust and Ram take the attitude of the poor, charity will take care of them knowing damn well this isnt true people like me and myke, camoor and msut are rarely taking an extreme approach from the left. I dont want to simply redistribute wealth giving everyone a hand out. Thats wrong and it would be disastrous. I say loosen up many regulations, let the wealthy do what they want. I again unlike you have the abilty to recognize what does work that the right has put in place. More money then ever is coming into our country, despite outsourcing, despite the rise of china, despite it all our GDP has grown at a great rate in recent years. More money then ever is coming into our country......its just falling into the hands of less and less people. So again unlike you I say take a moderate route, take the smart route....recognize what works but recognize what needs to be done. Let the rich have their playground they call an open market. As long as its bringing in insane amounts of money into the country let it happen. But on the flip side to fix the problems it is creating for middle and lower class people tax the rich at a higher rate and instead of giving hand outs create some job programs and create jobs through green tech, hospitals, education, infrastructure and the military(OMG someone you say is liberal is calling for more miltary spending!).Seriously get your head out of your ass and realize not everyone that disagrees with you is a socalist. I say far righters because that's exactly what you are. We that lean to the left at this board are just that, people that lean to the left not bleeding hearts.
