BYU Student feels unsafe due to female student Dress

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I personally see nothing wrong with the outfit, and wouldn't give her a second look 100/100 times that I passed her in the hall. If the student saw something he thought wrong with it he should have went to a dean / someone in the BYU administration and had them address it.
 
BYU is so depressing.

She should just transfer out. I know that's not a satisfying answer, but for one reason or another they will never track down the creep who who slipped her the note.

She is smart to be cautious - when it comes to religious radicals you never know how it will escalate.
 
Brigham Young University is a private university with a focus on religion, specifically the practice of Mormonism. It's probably the Midwest version of Liberty University. How they get accredited is beyond me. Anyways, the skirt she's wearing is probably 2-3 inches above the knees and hence a violation of the "honor code." I'm guessing that the guy that wrote the letter is in the closet and jealous that he can't wear the same outfit. The school is also a huge sausage fest with 10% female student body.
 
Former Mormon and BYU attendee here. If you read letters to the editor for the school newspaper it's not unusual to have letters similar to this calling the entire student body to repentance for all kinds of things.

[quote name='dohdough']The school is also a huge sausage fest with 10% female student body.[/QUOTE]
Not true.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']Ya, God only knows what will happen next. He might type up his complaint.[/QUOTE]

Yeah - and how would you feel if this got handed to your mother, your wife, or your daugther?

Would you just laugh it off then?

I never thought you were that bright or empathetic. But goddamn dude.
 
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She should just transfer out. I know that's not a satisfying answer, but for one reason or another they will never track down the creep who who slipped her the note. [/QUOTE]

It's not a satisfying answer, but it is the right one. It's a private Mormon school with a strict code of conduct about dress, sex, diet etc.

If a student doesn't want to put up with that BS, they shouldn't be going to school there. Just like their basketball player that got suspended last year for having premarital sex. Those are the rules there, plenty of other places to go to school where you don't have to worry about silly shit like that. All kinds of T&A hanging out around most campuses, and no dipshits who care about a skirt an inch or two above the knees.
 
[quote name='Cry Havoc']Former Mormon and BYU attendee here. If you read letters to the editor for the school newspaper it's not unusual to have letters similar to this calling the entire student body to repentance for all kinds of things.[/quote]
A letter to the editor is different from personally delivering a letter that calls the girl a slut...and then running away like a coward, not that a letter to the editor is any better...just sayin

Not true.
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I stand corrected. Must've read too quick. 10% is the number that take a break to go on missionary work. Thanks for providing a link to the right stats though.:roll:
 
[quote name='dohdough']A letter to the editor is different from personally delivering a letter that calls the girl a slut...and then running away like a coward, not that a letter to the editor is any better...[/QUOTE]
I don't disagree. Just pointing out that this type of mentality isn't unusual there. Although from my experience it's usually a letter to the editor or maybe a small note left on your car or apartment door, not handed directly to you.

just sayin
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Ugh.

I stand corrected. Must've read too quick. 10% is the number that take a break to go on missionary work. Thanks for providing a link to the right stats though.:roll:
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Well here you go.
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Care to share your own link? 10% sounds insanely low when all men are expected to go on missions (and most do at BYU). I don't care enough to find a number for both those who graduate and those who don't, but here it says "Some 97% of male BYU graduates and 32% of female graduates took a hiatus from their undergraduate studies at one point to serve as LDS missionaries."

Not that it matters to the purpose of this thread though.
 
[quote name='Cry Havoc']I don't disagree. Just pointing out that this type of mentality isn't unusual there. Although from my experience it's usually a letter to the editor or maybe a small note left on your car or apartment door, not handed directly to you.[/QUOTE]
That's some seriously passive aggressive shit there.

Well here you go.
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Care to share your own link? 10% sounds insanely low when all men are expected to go on missions (and most do at BYU). I don't care enough to find a number for both those who graduate and those who don't, but here it says "Some 97% of male BYU graduates and 32% of female graduates took a hiatus from their undergraduate studies at one point to serve as LDS missionaries."

Not that it matters to the purpose of this thread though.
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Sorry for the confusion, I meant 10% of the female undergrads. It's in the wiki. The correct male to female ratio is 53/47 and obviously not a sausage fest.

I have to admit that I'm extremely curious about the former Mormon and BYU attendee thing though. Care to share?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The university has an Honor Code Enforcement division?

Holy shit.[/QUOTE]
True story: my cousin tried to cheat (steal money from bank maybe? I don't remember) while playing Monopoly with his roommate at BYU. His roommate caught him and reported him to the Honor Code office for it. If that wasn't bad enough, the roommate also accused him of cheating in school, so they started an investigation.

My cousin's response? "Feel free to take a look at my grades. If I'm cheating, I'm the worst cheater in the world." They did, saw that he was getting Cs and Ds, and dropped the case.:lol:
 
Fascinating.

Followup: is this honor code enforcement student-run (i.e., volunteer or low-pay) or are grown adults paid a decent salary to investigate skirt lengths, cheating in Monopoly, etc.?

It stands to reason that, if they're able to access a student's grade history, it's not (or shouldn't be) a student-run group.
 
I don't know, but it got that basketball player kicked out of school last year. They take their Honor Code Seriously at BYU.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Fascinating.

Followup: is this honor code enforcement student-run (i.e., volunteer or low-pay) or are grown adults paid a decent salary to investigate skirt lengths, cheating in Monopoly, etc.?

It stands to reason that, if they're able to access a student's grade history, it's not (or shouldn't be) a student-run group.[/QUOTE]

It's not student-run, but I'm not sure if it's a dedicated position. I always thought it was just a committee of existing employees, but I can't say for sure.
 
[quote name='davo1224']For the record, I've never seen a slut wearing a flower dress.[/QUOTE]
Google slut wearing a flower dress...
 
[quote name='benjamouth']I wish I'd gone to a Uni which took Monopoly cheating seriously, ours was rife with it !!![/QUOTE]

Mormons: Caring about shit that matters. :lol:
 
[quote name='Cry Havoc']It's not student-run, but I'm not sure if it's a dedicated position. I always thought it was just a committee of existing employees, but I can't say for sure.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if it wasn't just a committee of faculty/administrators like most every committee/board at any university.

Universities try to minimize hiring extra staff and get stuff like that done by faculty as part of the service part of our job duties.
 
This isn't even a story. Guy is an idiot. Girl posts picture on twitter. School says she's done nothing wrong. So basically we have a "news" article and a thread because one guy is an inconsiderate prude. neat.

[quote name='KingBroly']I don't know, but it got that basketball player kicked out of school last year. They take their Honor Code Seriously at BYU.[/QUOTE]

Suspended from the team for a the rest of the season. He has been reinstated and is currently playing on the team this season and still attending BYU.
 
Eh, close enough. It's still shows they're pretty serious about it. It cost them a shot at the National Championship, basically.
 
Dunno if any of you have heard of Baylor or not but it is a Baptist University that has kicked students out of school for being gay and will not hire gay faculty. It took them 151 years to allow dancing on campus. No ban on sex though.
 
True story, a girl I went to college with once told me she was going to wait and take a sociology class at a local christian university because she "didn't want a skewed version of sociology". I would have laughed if I didn't know she was dead serious.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']Eh, close enough. It's still shows they're pretty serious about it. It cost them a shot at the National Championship, basically.[/QUOTE]

I'd say a kid getting thrown out of school vs. being suspended for a few basketball games is drastically different.
 
[quote name='silentevil']Google slut wearing a flower dress...[/QUOTE]

this is very tempting.

Hey DD, since when is Utah the midwest for fuck's sake? Then again, Utah is like it's own planet.
 
[quote name='nasum']Hey DD, since when is Utah the midwest for fuck's sake? Then again, Utah is like it's own planet.[/QUOTE]
As a Northeastern LIEberal elite, fly-over country is all the same to me.:lol:
 
We're talking about a group of people who have their own special underwear for certain occasions. Is anyone surprised that some are prudes?
 
[quote name='silentevil']Dunno if any of you have heard of Baylor or not but it is a Baptist University that has kicked students out of school for being gay and will not hire gay faculty. It took them 151 years to allow dancing on campus. No ban on sex though.[/QUOTE]

Interestingly I just read something about how Baylor has changed over the years recently. Think it said their student body is only 60% Baptist now, and they don't have nearly as many ties to the Baptist church as before.
 
[quote name='dmaul1114']Interestingly I just read something about how Baylor has changed over the years recently. Think it said their student body is only 60% Baptist now, and they don't have nearly as many ties to the Baptist church as before.[/QUOTE]
They are a lot more progressive than they in the past. The school has been around forever. They kicked someone out of seminary in '05 for being gay and around the same time fired a professor who came out.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']I'd say a kid getting thrown out of school vs. being suspended for a few basketball games is drastically different.[/QUOTE]

Getting thrown out of school v. Costing the School a lot of money

It's a sad way to look at things, but most schools would rather have the money.
 
[quote name='Cry Havoc']Former Mormon and BYU attendee here. If you read letters to the editor for the school newspaper it's not unusual to have letters similar to this calling the entire student body to repentance for all kinds of things.


Not true.[/QUOTE]

Why former, if you don't mind me asking?
 
[quote name='silentevil']They are a lot more progressive than they in the past. The school has been around forever. They kicked someone out of seminary in '05 for being gay and around the same time fired a professor who came out.[/QUOTE]

I'm guessing the recent success of their football team has a little bit to do with that
 
[quote name='IRHari']Why former, if you don't mind me asking?[/QUOTE]
Long story short, after a lot of investigation I no longer think the founder Joseph Smith was a prophet, and it all kind of falls apart if you don't believe that. I still believe in a lot of their values that aren't unique to them (honesty, take care of others, etc.) but I don't believe the doctrine.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Fascinating.

Followup: is this honor code enforcement student-run (i.e., volunteer or low-pay) or are grown adults paid a decent salary to investigate skirt lengths, cheating in Monopoly, etc.?

It stands to reason that, if they're able to access a student's grade history, it's not (or shouldn't be) a student-run group.[/QUOTE]

It's both, but it's also not as fascist and disruptive as it sounds. Basically if someone complains to the "honor code office" they have to look into it, but they ignore most things unless they are considered "disruptive" to the setting and spirit they strive for on campus.

It's important to note that the entire Honor Code at BYU was originally voted for and designed by the student body back in the 60's. It gets modified from time to time as well.

[quote name='RAMSTORIA']This isn't even a story. Guy is an idiot. Girl posts picture on twitter. School says she's done nothing wrong. So basically we have a "news" article and a thread because one guy is an inconsiderate prude. neat.[/quote]

You are right. The way that girl is dressed in that picture is NOT out of the ordinary for BYU campus. There is much worse that goes ignored by most.

Two things are clear from this story: 1) Whomever handed her that note was a fanatical idiot, like most colleges have in some flavor (think of them as about as common as extreme hippies at other universities) , and most of the student body would not have approved and 2) It's highly likely the note was not meant for how she dressed that day. Very few would consider the way she dressed in that picture immodest on campus.

Suspended from the team for a the rest of the season. He has been reinstated and is currently playing on the team this season and still attending BYU.
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Correct. Brandon Davies was suspended. It's unusual for anyone to be kicked out of the school permanently. But if a student does go against the honor code they signed, they can and will be suspended until they "correct" their ways; at which point that can come back.

[quote name='KingBroly']Eh, close enough. It's still shows they're pretty serious about it. It cost them a shot at the National Championship, basically.[/QUOTE]
That's true, they likely could have gone all the way had he not been suspended.

[quote name='Clak']We're talking about a group of people who have their own special underwear for certain occasions. Is anyone surprised that some are prudes?[/QUOTE]
Special Occasions? Mormons wear that funny underwear all the time. At least, they commit to do so when they get them; if they want to be in good standing in the church.
 
[quote name='silentevil']Dunno if any of you have heard of Baylor or not but it is a Baptist University that has kicked students out of school for being gay and will not hire gay faculty. It took them 151 years to allow dancing on campus. No ban on sex though.[/QUOTE]

And the Catholic church recently admitted Galileo was wrong.

People are wrong - Christianity can be reasonable!
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']It's both, but it's also not as fascist and disruptive as it sounds. Basically if someone complains to the "honor code office" they have to look into it, but they ignore most things unless they are considered "disruptive" to the setting and spirit they strive for on campus.

It's important to note that the entire Honor Code at BYU was originally voted for and designed by the student body back in the 60's. It gets modified from time to time as well.



You are right. The way that girl is dressed in that picture is NOT out of the ordinary for BYU campus. There is much worse that goes ignored by most.

Two things are clear from this story: 1) Whomever handed her that note was a fanatical idiot, like most colleges have in some flavor (think of them as about as common as extreme hippies at other universities) , and most of the student body would not have approved and 2) It's highly likely the note was not meant for how she dressed that day. Very few would consider the way she dressed in that picture immodest on campus.


Correct. Brandon Davies was suspended. It's unusual for anyone to be kicked out of the school permanently. But if a student does go against the honor code they signed, they can and will be suspended until they "correct" their ways; at which point that can come back.


That's true, they likely could have gone all the way had he not been suspended.


Special Occasions? Mormons wear that funny underwear all the time. At least, they commit to do so when they get them; if they want to be in good standing in the church.[/QUOTE]
From what I understand it's worn when entering a temple? It's just silly either way.
 
[quote name='Clak']From what I understand it's worn when entering a temple? It's just silly either way.[/QUOTE]

No, the funny underwear is worn at all times. There are different funny clothes that are worn in the temple (over the underwear).
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']No, the funny underwear is worn at all times. There are different funny clothes that are worn in the temple (over the underwear).[/QUOTE]


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...But yeah, I have a few friends (who went to BYU in Utah and now live there) and a cousin (who went to the BYU in Hawaii) who graduated from said college. I have heard stories about the honor code. I would be amusing to see it applied to, my alma mater, UNLV. :lol:
 
I'm in no way the type of person who would choose a school because of it's reputation for partying, but damn, if I'm going to school in Hawaii I'm going somewhere that wouldn't look at a bikini as being inappropriate.
 
I've known Regent University to kick students out if they're gay or lesbian. My ex goes to an MCC church and one of the girls that was working there was also going to Regent and said that if they knew she was attending service there, she'd be expelled
 
[quote name='Clak']BYU Hawaii? Seriously? That seems like such a waste of...well a lot of things.[/QUOTE]

lol

life is a matter of perspective. How awesome are the Florida beaches, but they also have the highest unemployment in the country.

Money talks and bullshit walks. Mormons may not be the life of the party, but one thing they do have in spades is green.
 
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