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#61 Jackovasaurus   And ya say Chi-City CAGiversary!   1318 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:02 PM

Time stamp 23:40 - Does Cheapy honestly believe that Microsoft simply tried to make a product that gamers would like, but that they are now listening to the complaints and changing? His sarcastic diatribe stank of Microsoft apologism to a disgusting degree.

Ok Cheapy, so these "regular people like you and me who have a job to do and go to an office everyday" thought that us gamers would just love to not be able to play used games? Oh yea, we all just love that. Wow sarcasm is fun.

Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better.

Heres a comically extreme analogy to your ridiculous comments; if a political party or candidate came out and announced that they have a new plan to exterminate everyone named David, but then noticed an enthusiastic protest to that statement, and then recanted, saying; ok we wont kill all the Davids, would your faith in that candidate be fully restored? I think not.

We cannot just simply forget that Microsoft truly did try to destroy a facet of gaming and gaming economics that someone like me truly appreciates and enjoys. The dead horse is beaten, but the bottom line is that I am not alone when I say that if I knew I could not freely trade in my used games, that I would simply buy far less games to begin with. I will not purchase the Xbox One accordingly. Microsoft's attitude offended me, and they have some serious ground to make up before I would even consider purchasing their product.

I see your passion, but you come off as a crazy person right now. Just don't buy an Xbox One. You shouldn't be so upset if others do, though. Its their money, and they can buy whatever they want to without someone throwing a bucket of paint at their proverbial fur coats.

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#62 Old Dead Tree   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   8 Posts   Joined 4.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:59 PM

Cheapy, dude, you've become Koreans more unlikable. Super smug, super apathetic. Also it gets really boring and predictable to hear you weigh in on topics.

Hears you discussing any product that is a legitimately good product....

A Sony game: "yeah, I don't know. It's alright"

A microsoft game: "dude, I love it. Also, smart move by Microsoft for..."

A Rockstar product: "pff, whatever pfffffff. Rockstar...boooooooo"

An apple product: "APPLE! Apple command me! For I am your servant! I have placed thy most holy Jobs image upon my altar! I have sacrificed many goats in your honor. The blood spills for you, Apple. All offerings, for you, the one true god"

#63 hunterny77   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   128 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:13 PM

[quote name="Old Dead Tree" post="10851749" timestamp="1371931178"]Cheapy, dude, you've become Koreans more unlikable. Super smug, super apathetic.

In English please...


But you make a good point somewhere in there. Cheapy is biased toward his favorite products. Just like many of us have our favorite products. He has Cagcast to express them and that is his entrepreneurial right to share them. I don't always agree with Cheapy, but if I did, I would record myself and listen to myself.

Furthermore, Cheapy D is not turning Korean. It think he is turning Japanese. I really think so...:)

#64 SeanAmI   No you cannot CAGiversary!   2036 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:54 PM

[quote name="Old Dead Tree" post="10851749" timestamp="1371931178"]Cheapy, dude, you've become Koreans more unlikable. Super smug, super apathetic.

In English please...


But you make a good point somewhere in there. Cheapy is biased toward his favorite products. Just like many of us have our favorite products. He has Cagcast to express them and that is his entrepreneurial right to share them. I don't always agree with Cheapy, but if I did, I would record myself and listen to myself.

Furthermore, Cheapy D is not turning Korean. It think he is turning Japanese. I really think so... :)

 

He probably got autocorrected to Koreans from something else.



#65 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:35 PM

 

Time stamp 23:40 - Does Cheapy honestly believe that Microsoft simply tried to make a product that gamers would like, but that they are now listening to the complaints and changing? His sarcastic diatribe stank of Microsoft apologism to a disgusting degree.
 
Ok Cheapy, so these "regular people like you and me who have a job to do and go to an office everyday" thought that us gamers would just love to not be able to play used games? Oh yea, we all just love that. Wow sarcasm is fun. 
 
Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better. 
 
Heres a comically extreme analogy to your ridiculous comments; if a political party or candidate came out and announced that they have a new plan to exterminate everyone named David, but then noticed an enthusiastic protest to that statement, and then recanted, saying; ok we wont kill all the Davids, would your faith in that candidate be fully restored? I think not. 
 
We cannot just simply forget that Microsoft truly did try to destroy a facet of gaming and gaming economics that someone like me truly appreciates and enjoys. The dead horse is beaten, but the bottom line is that I am not alone when I say that if I knew I could not freely trade in my used games, that I would simply buy far less games to begin with. I will not purchase the Xbox One accordingly. Microsoft's attitude offended me, and they have some serious ground to make up before I would even consider purchasing their product.


I see your passion, but you come off as a crazy person right now. Just don't buy an Xbox One. You shouldn't if others do, though. Its their money, and they can buy whatever they want to without someone throwing a bucket of paint at their proverbial fur coats.

 

He's not crazy if he's right, a bit extreme but correct none the less.  Cheapy give's MS pretty much a pass but in the past talked crap about EA, Ubisoft, and Activision when they had DRM or online pass issues.  

 

MS WAS taking away consumer rights, there was no other way of seeing no matter how much they tried to spin it, and it was they (Microsoft) who came up with the idea.  So its annoying to hear someone say we should just forget the whole thing and give them our money after they initially wanted to screw us (consumers) over to fill their pockets with more money.  Again, its annoying to hear Cheapy and Ship give MS the benefit of the doubt yet never have to other companies in past Cagcasts.

 

Also I work retail and $100 will make a huge difference, just because most consumers are uniformed doesn't mean they don't take their cues from their wallets, and the more powerful system of the 2 costs less.  Make no mistake, people do ask sales people their opinion and I doubt most sales people are going to make Kinect 2.0 sound as if its worth the extra $100.  People like to save money and come Christmas $460 will get you a PS4 AND a game, that amount still won't get you an Xbox One.



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#66 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7519 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago   Has been playing Dying Light
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:00 PM

Come Christmas $460 will get you nothing because both consoles will be sold out.
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#67 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:13 PM

Come Christmas $460 will get you nothing because both consoles will be sold out.

Nice one, doesn't matter when they start having more stock you're still wrong since $100 makes a huge difference.  If rumors are correct, Sony seems to also have a leg up on the amount of stock to be sold for the Christmas season and supposedly will be out earlier.



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#68 io   ... Super Moderators   23258 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:16 PM


Come Christmas $460 will get you nothing because both consoles will be sold out.

 

I will be very interested to see how this plays out.  We seem to have a much larger period of open preorders for both systems so it seems both companies are pumping out way more systems than with the 360 and even PS3 launch.  I didn't pay all that much attention to the 360 launch, but for sure with the PS3 and Wii, places like GS only took preorders for a few hours (most sold out to people camping in line for a preorder).  Then the same thing happened on launch day (campers bought most, it not all, of the ones not reserved by preorders).  It just seems that this time around, there are many times more preorders available   And for sure both companies will also send a lot of stock to stores day one for walk-in buyers as well.  Amazon still has Day One Xbox One launch systems available right now with specific text guaranteeing them on launch day.   That just didn't happen last gen (or even with the Wii U!).  So it is very possible that both systems will sell very well and also be available around Christmas to people who didn't preorder.  Though, on the other hand, the very late launch of these systems (late Nov it looks like?) leaves little time for follow-up shipments before Christmas.

 

I'm just stunned that Amazon continues to take in launch day preorders for both systems this far out from E3.  (Day one PS4 is still available in small bundles with 1 game like Knack or Watch Dogs which isn't bad since most people would pick up a game anyway).  Makes me feel kind of silly for refreshing Amazon every minute or two after that Sony press conference and preordering one as soon as it showed up.  I thought they would sell out in minutes given how Wii/PS3 preorders went :lol:.



#69 Jackovasaurus   And ya say Chi-City CAGiversary!   1318 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:40 PM

Time stamp 23:40 - Does Cheapy honestly believe that Microsoft simply tried to make a product that gamers would like, but that they are now listening to the complaints and changing? His sarcastic diatribe stank of Microsoft apologism to a disgusting degree.
 
Ok Cheapy, so these "regular people like you and me who have a job to do and go to an office everyday" thought that us gamers would just love to not be able to play used games? Oh yea, we all just love that. Wow sarcasm is fun. 
 
Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better. 
 
Heres a comically extreme analogy to your ridiculous comments; if a political party or candidate came out and announced that they have a new plan to exterminate everyone named David, but then noticed an enthusiastic protest to that statement, and then recanted, saying; ok we wont kill all the Davids, would your faith in that candidate be fully restored? I think not. 
 
We cannot just simply forget that Microsoft truly did try to destroy a facet of gaming and gaming economics that someone like me truly appreciates and enjoys. The dead horse is beaten, but the bottom line is that I am not alone when I say that if I knew I could not freely trade in my used games, that I would simply buy far less games to begin with. I will not purchase the Xbox One accordingly. Microsoft's attitude offended me, and they have some serious ground to make up before I would even consider purchasing their product.


I see your passion, but you come off as a crazy person right now. Just don't buy an Xbox One. You shouldn't if others do, though. Its their money, and they can buy whatever they want to without someone throwing a bucket of paint at their proverbial fur coats.
He's not crazy if he's right, a bit extreme but correct none the less.  Cheapy give's MS pretty much a pass but in the past talked crap about EA, Ubisoft, and Activision when they had DRM or online pass issues.  
 
MS WAS taking away consumer rights, there was no other way of seeing no matter how much they tried to spin it, and it was they (Microsoft) who came up with the idea.  So its annoying to hear someone say we should just forget the whole thing and give them our money after they initially wanted to screw us (consumers) over to fill their pockets with more money.  Again, its annoying to hear Cheapy and Ship give MS the benefit of the doubt yet never have to other companies in past Cagcasts.
 
Also I work retail and $100 will make a huge difference, just because most consumers are uniformed doesn't mean they don't take their cues from their wallets, and the more powerful system of the 2 costs less.  Make no mistake, people do ask sales people their opinion and I doubt most sales people are going to make Kinect 2.0 sound as if its worth the extra $100.  People like to save money and come Christmas $460 will get you a PS4 AND a game, that amount still won't get you an Xbox One.

Who gives a shit about what Cheapy, Shipwreck, or Wombat spend their money on?! Since when have these three people been the voice of consumer rights?! Let them buy Xbox Ones. Let them love Microsoft's policies and games. Who the Fuck cares?? I'm sad for those who allow this shit to upset them this much.

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#70 Kazaganthi   Blue Rogue CAGiversary!   1947 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:01 AM

Might not need Kinect at all.

http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=599491

 

This could be big news in my eyes. Forced plugged-in Kinect was one of my major issues with XB1. If they allow you to 100% have it unplugged and never have to have it plugged in, I see that as a positive. Still have to pay for it, but give the consumers more options instead of restrictions is a step in the right direction.

 

As for the "unlimited pre-order", pre-orders still open, lots more available pre-orders thing, I have to say it's probably because of the console parts. They aren't using MS/Sony built architecture parts, but common PC x86? parts. So they can order in bulk more-so than having to manufacture the cell processor/etc itself. Am I wrong in thinking like it that way? Besides the Kinect 2.0.

 

I really do feel we'll see more consoles available at launch/holidays than previous gen. Shipwreck, Wombat, and CheapyD should all add their # predictions to the Top Analyst.



#71 actripxl   BITW! CAGiversary!   238 Posts   Joined 6.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:11 AM

 

 

 

Time stamp 23:40 - Does Cheapy honestly believe that Microsoft simply tried to make a product that gamers would like, but that they are now listening to the complaints and changing? His sarcastic diatribe stank of Microsoft apologism to a disgusting degree.
 
Ok Cheapy, so these "regular people like you and me who have a job to do and go to an office everyday" thought that us gamers would just love to not be able to play used games? Oh yea, we all just love that. Wow sarcasm is fun. 
 
Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better. 
 
Heres a comically extreme analogy to your ridiculous comments; if a political party or candidate came out and announced that they have a new plan to exterminate everyone named David, but then noticed an enthusiastic protest to that statement, and then recanted, saying; ok we wont kill all the Davids, would your faith in that candidate be fully restored? I think not. 
 
We cannot just simply forget that Microsoft truly did try to destroy a facet of gaming and gaming economics that someone like me truly appreciates and enjoys. The dead horse is beaten, but the bottom line is that I am not alone when I say that if I knew I could not freely trade in my used games, that I would simply buy far less games to begin with. I will not purchase the Xbox One accordingly. Microsoft's attitude offended me, and they have some serious ground to make up before I would even consider purchasing their product.


I see your passion, but you come off as a crazy person right now. Just don't buy an Xbox One. You shouldn't if others do, though. Its their money, and they can buy whatever they want to without someone throwing a bucket of paint at their proverbial fur coats.
He's not crazy if he's right, a bit extreme but correct none the less.  Cheapy give's MS pretty much a pass but in the past talked crap about EA, Ubisoft, and Activision when they had DRM or online pass issues.  
 
MS WAS taking away consumer rights, there was no other way of seeing no matter how much they tried to spin it, and it was they (Microsoft) who came up with the idea.  So its annoying to hear someone say we should just forget the whole thing and give them our money after they initially wanted to screw us (consumers) over to fill their pockets with more money.  Again, its annoying to hear Cheapy and Ship give MS the benefit of the doubt yet never have to other companies in past Cagcasts.
 
Also I work retail and $100 will make a huge difference, just because most consumers are uniformed doesn't mean they don't take their cues from their wallets, and the more powerful system of the 2 costs less.  Make no mistake, people do ask sales people their opinion and I doubt most sales people are going to make Kinect 2.0 sound as if its worth the extra $100.  People like to save money and come Christmas $460 will get you a PS4 AND a game, that amount still won't get you an Xbox One.

Who gives a shit about what Cheapy, Shipwreck, or Wombat spend their money on?! Since when have these three people been the voice of consumer rights?! Let them buy Xbox Ones. Let them love Microsoft's policies and games. Who the Fuck cares?? I'm sad for those who allow this shit to upset them this much.

 

First, no claimed that they are the voice of consumers right and I can't argue with shortsightedness but if you put just a little bit of thought and some forward thinking you might see why people are still up in arms.  

 

Paying for "Live" which was essentially a service that should have been free led to online passes which everyone complained about, just because you don't have the ability to see that certain things can lead to another that worse doesn't mean others do not.  

 

MS has a history of screwing the customer over and over, and the only reason they backtracked was because they were getting their butts handed to them on preorders.  Now, they have switched over but they still tried something very anti-consumer to begin with and that is reason enough to not buy their console.



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#72 jollydwarf   America's #1 Poster CAGiversary!   2614 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:16 AM

This podcast stunk. Not of poor quality, but of some pretty blatant shilling.

Full disclosure: I am not a Shipwreck fan, but tolerate his Vulcan analysis to savor the Cheapy and Wombat banter. But this was different. Listening to the MS press conference audioboo, I was actually thrown off hearing him do what I can only describe as his best infomercial voice. And when they got to the Sony audioboo, it was more about "Now, how can Microsoft fix this?"

I also think the whole 'they'll both sell out argument' is extremely weak because a.) it's just the launch window--so what if they do, b.) there's no guarantee that will happen through Christmas (as two comparable systems have never gone head-to-head like this), and c.) seems like a lot of early adopters have already secured theirs, so retail demand won't be a great indicator of gamer interest either way.

I own all three current gen consoles and was totally neutral on this six months ago. So I don't approach this with bias. And PLEASE--don't even get me started on 'silence is a good thing' at an E3 show.
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#73 gacktplays   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   103 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:37 AM

Summary:

3 Xbots trying their hardest to defend Microsoft...



#74 Jackovasaurus   And ya say Chi-City CAGiversary!   1318 Posts   Joined 6.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:45 AM

Summary of this thread: People who can't stand it when they can't control others.

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#75 aerotive   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   234 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:49 AM

Good chance the consoles won't sell out for any real length of time...the components are more industry standard and yields will be up...they're just easier to make this time around.



#76 bickle   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   632 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 02:16 AM


Please tell me about the Microsoft meetings where someone brought up the complete elimination of used games, and how that somehow HELPS or IMPROVES any gamers' experience. Please tell me how that makes their product better. Please tell me how that makes any part of my gaming experience better.

 

No one needs to. Just check out the pastebin link posted a few posts above yours. Or the one wombat tweeted: http://www.heyuguysg...s-rip-must-read It's very easy to see that this was a fucked up project where the managers we so focused on what was being gained that they were blinded to what was being lost.


Might not need Kinect at all.

http://www.neogaf.co...ad.php?t=599491

 

it isn't very reputable. I wouldn't trust the word of an email from a media relation rep over everything else that has been said by Microsoft.



#77 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7519 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago   Has been playing Dying Light
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:02 AM

I own all three current gen consoles and was totally neutral on this six months ago. So I don't approach this with bias. And PLEASE--don't even get me started on 'silence is a good thing' at an E3 show.

 

I own all three current gen consoles. And a Wii U. And I've pre-ordered the PS4 and the Xbox One. I'm also fine with criticism. And anyone who says they don't have a favorite console is amazing and I applaud you for transcending to that level.


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#78 FriskyTanuki   Old Fashioned Pizza Lawyer CAGiversary!   58839 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago   Has been playing Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:18 AM

It's interesting that Cheapy's spun the "both systems will have the same DRM" statement that was about Sony using Xbox One-style DRM to now going the other way. I listened to the 8-4 Play that Cheapy was on where he also said it was much harder to plug in a rechargable controller than to go across the street to get some batteries. I would love to know why he was never upset about the Xbox One not being region-free and not working in Japan before, as he played that off like he'd have the hook-up to get around the DRM. It's one thing to not be angry, but it's another to never have any negative emotion about the rules that were in place to make sure that you couldn't use it. You tend to start conversations about the Xbox One by talking about crazy twitter responses. You just seem to only care about how much money it'll make you from the links on CAG and not how it personally affected you as a potential console owner in Japan.

 

The Xbox One is still to expensive to me, Shipwreck. I don't care what the public will pay. For me, it's too expensive for a system with major features that I don't care about (Kinect) or cannot use (TV). If the Xbox 360 is an indication, it's media playback features will be lackluster at best.

 

Paying $150 for the original Kinect and paying $500 for a Kinect-based console are very different things.

 

Wombat, since you're not the mayor, you're not going to get Tortimer to show up and invite you to the Island in Animal Crossing: New Leaf. If Mrs. Wombat isn't playing it everyday and doing things like paying off her house, then you probably won't get to go to the Island. You fucked up by letting her be the mayor since you're the one playing it everyday.


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#79 io   ... Super Moderators   23258 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:31 AM



I own all three current gen consoles and was totally neutral on this six months ago. So I don't approach this with bias. And PLEASE--don't even get me started on 'silence is a good thing' at an E3 show.

 

I own all three current gen consoles. And a Wii U. And I've pre-ordered the PS4 and the Xbox One. I'm also fine with criticism. And anyone who says they don't have a favorite console is amazing and I applaud you for transcending to that level.

 

 

Seriously, Ship is not the one to single out as being against any console since he buys literally everything.  I'm pretty sure he has played his Wii U way more than I have, and if anything that would be the one system the CAGcast guys put down the most.  In fact, he's probably played it more than most hardcore Wii U owners ;). (Those that play 100's of hours of Monster Hunter excepted).



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 04:43 AM

Definitely compliments to the Cagcast team for getting the XBone thing right.  I must say though, that the internet outrage is far more predictable, and the cagcast crew shouldn't be anymore upset that people would freak out.  And that freak out is what has eventually led to Microsoft doing a 180, so we should, to some extent, be thankful for the freak out.

 

But more than anything, I heard it said on Weekend Confirmed that "No one saw this coming."  But the Cagcast did, and this is why I listen to the Cagcast.  They are better than any other at understanding the business end.  So, well done.


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#81 SeanAmI   No you cannot CAGiversary!   2036 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:48 AM

It's interesting that Cheapy's spun the "both systems will have the same DRM" statement that was about Sony using Xbox One-style DRM to now going the other way. I listened to the 8-4 Play that Cheapy was on where he also said it was much harder to plug in a rechargable controller than to go across the street to get some batteries. I would love to know why he was never upset about the Xbox One not being region-free and not working in Japan before, as he played that off like he'd have the hook-up to get around the DRM. It's one thing to not be angry, but it's another to never have any negative emotion about the rules that were in place to make sure that you couldn't use it. You tend to start conversations about the Xbox One by talking about crazy twitter responses. You just seem to only care about how much money it'll make you from the links on CAG and not how it personally affected you as a potential console owner in Japan.

 

The Xbox One is still to expensive to me, Shipwreck. I don't care what the public will pay. For me, it's too expensive for a system with major features that I don't care about (Kinect) or cannot use (TV). If the Xbox 360 is an indication, it's media playback features will be lackluster at best.

 

Paying $150 for the original Kinect and paying $500 for a Kinect-based console are very different things.

 

Wombat, since you're not the mayor, you're not going to get Tortimer to show up and invite you to the Island in Animal Crossing: New Leaf. If Mrs. Wombat isn't playing it everyday and doing things like paying off her house, then you probably won't get to go to the Island. You fucked up by letting her be the mayor since you're the one playing it everyday.

I agree with this. Cheapy is spinning it to make himself look right.

 

I don't get the Shipwreck complaints.

I get that Shipwreck has preferences, everyone does, but he buys everything. I mean, he's the only one on the CAGcast to talk about anything Nintendo home console related in a long time.



#82 io   ... Super Moderators   23258 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 08:44 AM

 

I don't get the Shipwreck complaints.

I get that Shipwreck has preferences, everyone does, but he buys everything. I mean, he's the only one on the CAGcast to talk about anything Nintendo home console related in a long time.

 

Bingo.  I was pretty surprised that after being at E3 he also went to his local Best Buy demo (which is something even I didn't feel like doing).  He seems genuinely excited about a few of the games coming to the Wii U and that is good news to me since I'm pulling for that system really hard but like a lot of others just don't play it that much because there isn't much to play.  Plus, it isn't like I'm going to get any news or opinions on those games from the other two ;).



#83 spid   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   108 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:41 PM

I think Microsoft's biggest problem was never getting ahead of this story.  They had a PR plan that made sense when they laid it out, but when this DRM story broke months ago they never said anything so the story never went away.  They should have have got out front and explained the family plan/sharing months ago.  

 

I agree with Ship I don't think Sony could do what Microsoft was/is trying to do.  I think they realized it they couldn't compete with "future" stuff so they did what they did at E3.

 

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#84 e3vL   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   29 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:46 PM

FYI Sony already have a game (full) sharing feature on the PS3 for PSN titles but it's linked to a single PSN ID. If you read the original offical statement of the game sharing on Xbox One, you'd know that you don't actually share the full game accross all family accounts, there is one main acct. and the subsidaries have a 45min demo which is shared.



#85 spid   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   108 Posts   Joined 10.2 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 01:20 PM

FYI Sony already have a game (full) sharing feature on the PS3 for PSN titles but it's linked to a single PSN ID. If you read the original offical statement of the game sharing on Xbox One, you'd know that you don't actually share the full game accross all family accounts, there is one main acct. and the subsidaries have a 45min demo which is shared.

 

That 45 minute demo stuff was debunked by Microsoft. And what PS3 sharing is currently is not even close to what they were talking about. 

 

http://www.ign.com/a...ily-share-demos



#86 David Hibiki   Well then... CAGiversary!   9259 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 01:47 PM

Summary:

3 Xbots trying their hardest to defend Microsoft...

 

Sweet. The cheap lame hate is even coming to CAG! LOVE IT!


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#87 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   960 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 02:15 PM

 

FYI Sony already have a game (full) sharing feature on the PS3 for PSN titles but it's linked to a single PSN ID. If you read the original offical statement of the game sharing on Xbox One, you'd know that you don't actually share the full game accross all family accounts, there is one main acct. and the subsidaries have a 45min demo which is shared.

 

That 45 minute demo stuff was debunked by Microsoft. And what PS3 sharing is currently is not even close to what they were talking about. 

 

http://www.ign.com/a...ily-share-demos

 

 

Isn't it nice of those Microsoft executives to give us concrete details on how their family sharing plan would have functioned now that's it's been scrapped?  Kind of funny how family sharing isn't going to be allowed for digitally purchased titles, though.

 

The guys seemed to only be talking about the American situation when it came to pre-orders and price, which is fine if that's all they care about.  But worldwide Sony is in a much better position going into this next generation than they were with the PS3 which cost US $200 more and came out a year or more after the 360.

 

The UK is Microsoft's second strongest market, but they have priced the Xbone at a whopping £429 or US $661.  Even accounting for the 20% sales tax in Britain that's a big markup, and it seems like a lot of the TV features won't work there.  The 360 and PS3 ended up with equal global market share thanks to the US and UK going strongly for the 360 in this generation.  If those two territories are closer to 50/50 with the Xbone and PS4 then Sony will be far ahead in overall console sales.


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#88 FriskyTanuki   Old Fashioned Pizza Lawyer CAGiversary!   58839 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago   Has been playing Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:07 PM

I agree with this. Cheapy is spinning it to make himself look right.

 

I don't get the Shipwreck complaints.

I get that Shipwreck has preferences, everyone does, but he buys everything. I mean, he's the only one on the CAGcast to talk about anything Nintendo home console related in a long time.

 

On the show, he was a bit overly defensive about a lot of things that he didn't really need to go on the offensive about. I get that Xbox One will sell out regardless, but that still doesn't mean that I can't think it's too expensive.


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#89 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7519 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago   Has been playing Dying Light
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:24 PM


I agree with this. Cheapy is spinning it to make himself look right.

I don't get the Shipwreck complaints.
I get that Shipwreck has preferences, everyone does, but he buys everything. I mean, he's the only one on the CAGcast to talk about anything Nintendo home console related in a long time.

On the show, he was a bit overly defensive about a lot of things that he didn't really need to go on the offensive about. I get that Xbox One will sell out regardless, but that still doesn't mean that I can't think it's too expensive.

I wasn't defending or offending anything. I simply think that $500 is not too much for an Xbox One and $400 is a really good price for the PS4. I'm not attacking anyone for their feelings on the matter.
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#90 Kazaganthi   Blue Rogue CAGiversary!   1947 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 June 2013 - 11:12 PM


No one needs to. Just check out the pastebin link posted a few posts above yours. Or the one wombat tweeted: http://www.heyuguysg...s-rip-must-read It's very easy to see that this was a fucked up project where the managers we so focused on what was being gained that they were blinded to what was being lost

Not responding to you bickle, but the MS employee blog you linked.

 

It's not our fault you started to and ran with a flawed project. It should have been very obvious that implementing systems that REMOVE consumers freedoms will have a negative impact and should not even started development for them. "Remember the way things worked for 30+ years? Ya Fuck that."

 

Sony revealed console back in Feb, MS was going in April but delayed another month. They had plenty of time to release the "positive story" before the bad press was official and not just rumors. The Adam Orth debacle proves that they weren't listening and tried to roll with it to see if they could "get away with it". There was no positive angle.

 

Before I'm trolled on "Family Share plan" was a positive, PS3 started that years ago with 5 consoles, now only 2 since publisher backlash. 2 is still more than 1, and all DLC and digital games work on those 2 consoles, no matter who is signed in. No way they'd [The Publishers] let MS get away with 10. And they could still roll that plan out with $60 day one digital-only games / XBLA games. Oh wait, I can just quote them on what Family Sharing really is (IE: Nothing)

 

 


First is family sharing, this feature is near and dear to me and I truly felt it would have helped the industry grow and make both gamers and developers happy. The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn’t have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game.

 

This might sound a little fanboy sure, but I'm not sure if MS is rolling this out too. But the PS4 bragged that you can do that with any PS4 game, right from the marketplace/store. They said you'd be able to demo any game instantly, after a short download, and it'd download the rest in the background. No need for a family member to own the game. PS3 has had 60 min "not demos" but full on start of game with PS+ for years.

 

 


The used gaming industry is slowly killing them [The Publishers] and every attempt to slow down the bleeding was met with much resistance from the gaming community.I will admit that online passes were not well received nor were they well implemented, but I felt given time to mature it could have turned into something worth having as a gamer much like DLC (we went from pointless horse armor to amazing season passes like Borderlands 2!)

 

Oh, so we know they hated a $10 online pass? They will love our new $60 OFFLINE pass. That doesn't solve used game situation, it just makes it worse because people will buy less games, hurting the new sales. I still believe used games helps the gaming industry in the long run.

 

I moved from 360 to PS3 way later in the gen cycle. I bought Uncharted 1 used (no place to buy it new at the time anyway). I loved it. I then went right out and bought Uncharted 2 GOTY edition new. And when it came time for Uncharted 3, I pre-ordered it. Had that Uncharted 1 been a digital-only title (On-Live BS) for $20-$40, I would have never taken the chance.

 

 

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"Another feature that we didn’t speak out about was the fact we were building a natural social network with Xbox One in itself that didn’t require gamers to open their laptops/tablets to post to their other friends nor did they need to wrestle with keyboard add-ons. Each Xbox Live account would have a full “home space” in which they could post their highest scores, show off their best Game DVR moments, what they’ve watched via Xbox TV and leave messages for others to read and respond to. Kinect 2.0 and Xbox One work together and has robust voice to text capabilities. The entire notion of communicating with friends you met online would have been natural and seamless. No reliance on Facebook, or Twitter (though those are optional for those who want them). Everything is perfectly crafted for the Xbox One controller and Kinect 2.0 and given that shine that only Microsoft can provide."

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Yay, they were going to copy the Mii Verse...but why are they ditching it now?

 

Ok so they listed 2 positives that...aren't "positives" but are already out there features...that they can STILL DO. Nothing stopping them. There was no need for 24hr check ins, no used game, etc for these features they boast. Not mentioned in this blog: "Oh you didn't need to have a disc in the tray to play!" Wow, what a new feature! Just buy the digital version, you can do that for some games now and all games in the future silly.