[option.iv]

Great CAGcast. But there was a little too much awkward angry CheapyD today, I thought. A simple, "just kidding" after your comment on Wombat's background noise apology would've cut the tension. Otherwise great show.

 

Also interested in a Fist Puncher code.

[hunterny77]

Thanks Wombat. You ended my work week with another smile and good feeling. Not only did I find 0.35 cents at the vending machine located at an ER waiting room. I became an uncle to a beautiful baby boy named Alex for the first time. And now to have Wombat give me a shoutout on Cagcast.
Awesome!
I can now add a actual recording of Wombat mentioning my handle on Cagcast on my Shrine for Wombat.





*Disclaimer: The last sentence was a joke.

[RecklessBao]

My biggest fear is having the mic on by default will make people not think about having one and we get to hear everything. Friends and i always set in private channels so we didn't have to listen to all the BS or the idiots who felt the need to broadcast their music to the game. 

 

On a different note Test Drive Unlimited 2 was ahead of its time and had the feature that some games seem to be adding of populating the game world with gamers in a mmo-like world, then having proximity voice so when you were close to someone in the game you would hear what was going on their end. which when it came to that game could be miles around you. Some of the weird crap i heard was pretty funny, and you could always tell who had a kinect because of the quality. 

 

Adding one thing, I always found it hard to balance the volume between the game and people talking over gunfire,if you ever tried to play CoD4+ without a mic plugged in. 

[Incsony]

I'm liking this majin cheapyD! Good for you for speaking your mind to your yoga instructor! You did the right thing.

I too feel the same way you feel about the headset. Why can't the next gen console come with a .15cent headset? I'm no fan boy to either company but MS really slipped on its own shit with this next gen. The question now is; will they be able to clean up there self off before launch day.

Good show & thank you for taking time out to do the show!

[Ultramontane]

Great CAGcast. But there was a little too much awkward angry CheapyD today...

 

 

Yeah, I have to agree. That yoga story got him all fired up. 

 

I am actually a little nervous about Ship. We are going to need him at his best when Xbox One is released and at the same time he is having his first child. Wombat and Cheapy; start coaching this guy right away.

 

Good show everyone.

[Kung Fu ZEPHYR]

A Xbox 360 microphone is used by what type of gamer? Is it used by the type of gamer that needs it for COD, Halo, random FPS game, Madden, NBA 2K13, random sport game, etc, etc, etc (very much, yes). Is it used by someone who is already committed to the Xbox brand and would be willing to buy a wireless mic, turtle beach mic, etc (most likely). Do those two gamer demographics overlap (in my opinion, an overwhelming yes).

Here is the bigger question, who does NOT use the mic? Is it the gamer that just buys the Xbox for Netflix, ESPN, UFC, and the occasional recreational game (yes!)? Is it the gamer who's parent wants to shelter them from the hate mongering, racist, ignorant people that play the type of games previously mentioned (double yes!)? Is it the gamer who likes all the games previously mentioned but hates listening to random Internet people (wombat, what do you think?)?

Here are the million dollar questions. No, the billion dollar questions! What percent of the marketshare does Microsoft own regarding the gamer demographic listed in the first paragraph (answer: more than Sony or Nintendo)? What percent of the marketshare does Microsoft own regarding the gamer demographic listed in the second paragraph (definitely less than Nintendo!)? Right, wrong or indifferent, Microsoft's top execs might be more interested in going after the Nintendo market or the casual gamer market more than they are interested in retaining the hardcore gamer market. Why? Because they don't have to work hard to keep the hardcore gamer. We will buy the nice headset because we enjoy that type of gaming experience. I hate listening to the dbags, but they are a necessary evil for me in order to be able to talk to my Xbox friends. Even if Microsoft doesn't cave in with the mic, I'm still buying an XB1 and a nice mic.....I need my fix! Dont forget, Nintendo sold over 80 million Wii sports. 80 MILLION!! Wii sports doesn't need a mic.

Please consider me for the Borderlands 2 (Xbox 360) dlc, thanks.

[Garrett67]

Cheapy,

Bet Shipwreck that he can't get through an episode without saying the word 'like' .







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[icemangooch]

I'm not going to let a headset sway what I'm going to get. I will let the price do that. Hence, the CAG.

I think it's funny how funny Cheapy makes the comment that bullshit is getting blown out of proportion. Then, Wombat goes on to blow shit out of proportion lmao. Yes, Wombat you did complain a lot this show. What would make Wombat feel better? Giving me a Xbox Tiny Tina code couldn't hurt. Fun show guys.

[MattZack]

I agree X1 should pack in a headset.  Major Nelson follows CheapyD, so I think he should also get on the twitter and put in a call for a headset.  My nephews used kinect for voice and it was so bad I gave them a headset.  Enjoyed the show guys.

[painkillah]

MS needs to include a wired headset. I prefer wireless but I would settle for the $3 crappy option. There is no way Kinect can distinguish between my voice and the surround sound. And we all have heard the guy with the voice echo. Voice on Day One without options will be nothing but annoying echos and background noise. I want to know if they have built in bluetooth. Why not? Its a simple $5 upgrade nothing compared to the cost of it when 360 came out. At the very least my current 360 wireless headset should work with the new xbox. Where is the petition??? 

 

I want the Borderlands DLC!

[mwmike11]

Great show as usual, fellas.

 

I have to admit, this whole console war bullshit is just wearing me out to the point I just don't know if I want to game anymore. It just annoys the hell out of me to know that people are bitching about the smallest shit for something that is not even out yet, and keep forgetting the key thing: They are video game consoles. I would expect this kind of fervent arguments and name calling if you are debating about religion or politics, but the fanboy wars just sadden me as a gamer. And it's this kind of attitude that is giving the mainstream media and politicians trying to use violent video games and their effect on gamers a leg to stand on. I have to admit, for a non-news gaming website, you three have been some of the more level-headed, non-biased in the gaming public when it comes to the new consoles. Everyone else I've seen have been strongly PS4 biased.

 

Personally, I wouldn't use the headset regardless, because I won't play multiplayer games. I spend my work days getting yelled and screamed at by immature people on a daily basis, I don't want to get the same thing when I am trying to relax. The only thing that will sell me on a console is going to be the games, as it should be. I don't know enough or care about specs or the Kinect or the PlayStation Eye. Show me a good library of games to get the console and I will be all yours.

 

Ship, glad I'm not the only one that liked that Deadpool game. Combat was meh, story, or "story" made up for it. Definitely worth the buy, even for the cheap laughs.

 

Again, guys, thanks for the non-biased reporting when it comes to the reporting, and Cheapy, great read for the XB1 article. Much respect for that.

[thrifty1]

$400 price was perfect to convince me to be an early adopter instead of just playing PS3. Otherwise i'd probably wait for a better deal and hardware revisions like cheapy says. They are going to make most of their profits off increased user base with digital sales and plus. I can't say no to all the $1, $2 and $3 games that have been offered the past few weeks.

 

Is the hotline miami code for vita still up for grabs? hook it up!

[Kazaganthi]

Spoiler

The issue I have with the Xbox One microphone situation isn't that it doesn't come with one, it's how they're going out implementing their new headsets and what it says about their overall philosophy. They are the only ones that I know of to come up with a proprietary headphone jack. That's just asinine and it's not even something that Apple has dared to try.

 

Their argument that it is for some advanced multi-directional headset is just incorrect. This kind of thing can and has been done with usb headsets on PC and there is no reason why it couldn't be done on the Xbox One. Not only that, but the Xbox One is based on Windows 8 and the operating system for which the system is based on supports such a scheme.

 

I know Microsoft has since softened their tone on the headsets by offering up a promise that they will be offering an adapter to make people's older headsets work, but that wasn't always the case and they only changed their position after people hammered them on their ridiculousness. Their view was that the only way you could use a headset on the Xbox One is if it was compatible with their proprietary headset jack. All usb, 2.55mm and bluetooth headsets would not work and you either had to use the Kinect 2 or buy one of the licensed Xbox One headsets. 

 

It seems like they will allow for 2.55mm headsets with some sort of adapter, but it will probably end up being better to just buy their proprietary headset since they're not going to be just giving these adapters away and they will probably be very difficult to find when the console launches. They still have not said if they will now allow usb or bluetooth headsets. 

 

To me it seems like Sony learned from all of their mistakes that they made in this regard and that Microsoft found new and interesting ways to screw this up. Sony didn't include an official headset with the PS3 and they didn't really have an official one for quite a long time. In fact, they didn't make one on their own until 2 years after the launch of the Playstation 3. They did release Warhawk a year prior, but the headset it included was just a normal Jabra over the ear headset. (I pretty much just threw it away since I hated it) In the end, their headsets were not well implemented and they didn't offer an easy way to have an over head headset without having to connect it to the console. 

 

To me it just shows an additional layer of bs that they're continuing over with the Xbox One. With the Xbox 360, they were charging $100 for a proprietary 20GB HDD and $100 for a proprietary usb Wifi adapter at launch and today they charge $130 for a proprietary 320GB HDD. My PS3 currently has a 1TB HDD, which cost me less than $100.

 

I'm also not really a fan of being told that I have to buy something like the Kinect. I have a Kinect and it works fine for Dance Games, but it sucks for pretty much everything else. I got Madden 13 just to try out the Kinect features and they are completely broken. I could get them to work sometimes, but for the most part they just didn't work. I don't want to spend an extra $100 for a new Xbox One Kinect especially when it only has two launch games (Kinect Sports Rivals and Just Dance 2014) that really don't do anything new and I really don't care about. I'd rather spend that money on another game and not some camera that I think is going to get in the way.

 

With the Xbox One, it seems like Microsoft has decided what people want and you don't really have a choice. With Playstation 4, it seems like Sony listened to the complaints about the Playstation 3 and gives me as a gamer more options and implemented them in the Playstation 4.

 

Well said!

 

I wonder if Cheapy even reads the CAGcast threads or his blog post comments. Twitter is not a good place to have a conversation. That must be were he judges all this "crazy" talk.

 

Loved Wombat's comments about the no headset, but I feel the new proprietary headphone jack was understated. That is BS. PS Vita memory cards are BS too. So is Xbox harddrives when any laptop hdd works with PS3/PS4. I could go on about stuff like no Indie self publish, not being able to unplug Kinect ever, but everyone has already made their minds, and no one is changing them now that MS reversed DRM.

 

Funny story, Cheapy would not have been able to even use Xbox One had they not reversed DRM. His country wasn't supported. 24 check-in wouldn't work with imported consoles. Maybe that's why he got all the "backlash". Not caring about policies of the future that directly affect you vs a child at a yoga class.

[Yenos]

Great episode guys! I do agree about the mic subject. I do think they should include one but I find as I get older the only people I want to talk to online are my friends that I actually know. I also agree that I don't want people to hear the background noise of my house and I don't want to hear theirs too.

Shipwreck, I broke down and purchased Project X Zone. I do say I am enjoying it a good amount. Its a bit repetitive because its mostly just text, fight, and then intermission where you equip items. Also the male to female ratio is mostly 1:1 so far in the game. Hope you pick it up soon because I would love to hear your opinions!

 

Also I am interested in one of those Fist Puncher codes if you guys are still giving them away!

 

Thanks for the great CagCast as usual

[CheapyD]

I wonder if Cheapy even reads the CAGcast threads or his blog post comments. Twitter is not a good place to have a conversation. That must be were he judges all this "crazy" talk.

 

Loved Wombat's comments about the no headset, but I feel the new proprietary headphone jack was understated. That is BS. PS Vita memory cards are BS too. So is Xbox harddrives when any laptop hdd works with PS3/PS4. I could go on about stuff like no Indie self publish, not being able to unplug Kinect ever, but everyone has already made their minds, and no one is changing them now that MS reversed DRM.

 

Funny story, Cheapy would not have been able to even use Xbox One had they not reversed DRM. His country wasn't supported. 24 check-in wouldn't work with imported consoles. Maybe that's why he got all the "backlash". Not caring about policies of the future that directly affect you vs a child at a yoga class.

I read the threads sometimes. 

 

Talked about the Xbox One with Mrs Cheapy today.  She has a similar sentiment to the listener above who said they felt being "forced" to buy Kinect made them feel shitty. 

 

I'm pretty sure I would have found away around Xbox not being launched officially here.  This is why VPNs exist.

[metallicoholic]

This headset controversy might not even be a thing next week given the way Microsoft has been changing its decisions lately. 

 

I can see why Wombat is concerned about this but honestly, it's not going to matter. Gamers are used to making extra purchases for consoles at launch and I don't see a missing headset stopping that trend. If all of your friends are buying Titanfall or Call of Duty, you're going to buy the console, the game, the Xbox Live account, and now, the headset. I think the way most people look at it is that they're spending so much on everything else that buying an extra headset is like buying batteries. 

[io]

My wife and I have been sharing Animal Crossing... after hearing your words on a previous CAGcast I told her many times, if you are going to be the mayor then you are going to play the game and continue playing. Thanks for the warning. I too do not want to have to play as my wife to unlock items. If I'm going to play the game, I am going to play my game.

 

 

Wombat someone on bombcast also started Animal Crossing w/o being the mayor.  The situation was different but everyone said he should start over- being the mayor is pretty integral to the game.

 

FYI - no reason to start over.  If you get a new copy of the game, you can move your character into the new game save to be the mayor (only if you were not the mayor in your original town).  That way you can let the wife continue to have her game, but move ahead in your own and not have to worry about her.

 

The game is only $26.59 at Walmart and Amazon right now so it is a good time to get a second copy.  I don't see it going much lower than that any time soon.

 

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=507846

 

But anyway Wombat, I agree with your frustration with sharing the 3DS/AC game.  After just ONE day of my son playing on my copy, I went out and not only bought him his own copy of the game, but also a 3DS to play it on .

[Icedus]

Mad-at-Yoga CheapyD is him at his best, hands down.

 

More importantly, yeah, Atlus was around in the NES days.  Go buy Rockin' Kats.  All of you.  Just go on eBay or to a used game store and do it.

[WickedBlackTrauma]

In relation to what you said about the E3 conferences, I agree that the Microsoft/Xbox conference was the best because of the interest and games shown but I think that Sony/Playstation was the best because it would sell the next gen console because of the way they slaughtered the Xbox One with the game trading and price and all the other things.

[lowgear26]

I can only speak for myself but playing certain games without being able to chat with the people who you are in the room with is terrible. Not everyone is a douchebag and I've gotten a few good friends by meeting them online in games.

 

I While games like COD make me have to mute all the people that want to my mom or call me any manner of racial terms, games like Forza generally have a better community and it can be fun to set up games within games in which EVERYONE needs to be on the same page (cat and mouse)

 

I've gamed for over 28 years, It wasn't always full of people that make you want to stab your eardrum out when you are in chat.

 

Fist Puncher code chance would be cool

 

Thanks,

[jollydwarf]

I don't think the 'outrage' to the headset issue is entirely disproportionate, because not only does it seem like a bit of a regression on the basic Live experience that Xbox users have enjoyed for over a decade now, but it appears to be another piece of the larger picture. That is, this whole Xbox One ramp-up has felt like Microsoft was going in with a very specific agenda that it wanted to force on us, while not being forthcoming about their vision.* And clearly, most people weren't going to 'lay back and enjoy it,' because 'it'll all be over soon.'  (Because it wouldn't.)

 

Does throwing the word "agenda" out there make me paranoid?  Maybe, but consider this: (ironically) it was Microsoft years ago that worked extra hard to impose the headset as an integral part of the Live experience.  I maintain that's because they wanted to get gamers/kids/part-time and full-time assholes to get hooked on the (anti)social interaction as much as the gameplay experience, hence more Live renewals.  So now, they want to make people largely default to Kinect for this.  Is this to get the whole family in on the shittalking?  Who knows?  Regardless, this is inconvenient and highly irresponsible of them (from the standpoint of exposing thousands of even younger children to profane vitriol and bigotry).  Were this their only noticeable pre-launch misstep, I think people would gripe and cope.  But this is a topic at the tail end of a very rough stretch that they largely brought on themselves.

 

And the 'red ring memories' blog and podcast stories are still yet to start popping up...fun fun.

 

 

*--Yeah, the simplest explanation says that they just dropped the ball with justifying their policy decisions through PR, but my gut tells me they were trying to pull a fast one, and were actually incompetent with their distracting.

[Digital Bees]

Using Kinect instead of a headset to talk to other players is a step backwards to me. It just seems like there are more negatives than positives. First of all, I really don’t want to yell at my television to talk to people. I also don’t want to hear background noise from other players. (This is something that already happens now with people using Kinects to talk on the 360. Just imagine that on a bigger scale.) Also, the majority of time when I hear people talking over the speakers of my television, it’s difficult to make out what they are saying because it’s blending in with the game’s audio. Does this mean I am going to have to go into the options of each multiplayer game I have and turn the audio down now? I am with Wombat on this and I think having a headset is a much better solution for player communication.

 

I would gladly take a code for the Tiny Tina DLC for Borderlands 2.

[hunterny77]

Hey Microsoft's Larry Hyrb since you're up on CAG, read my post here and tweet this-

$499 Xbox One + $40 headset - $140 Kinect 2.0 = $399 = Pre-order #satisfiedcustomer

[MattZack]

Hey Microsoft's Major Nelson, Larry Hyrb, since you're up on CAG read my post:

 

Quit putting freaky pictures on my dashboard - my kids see this when they go to Netflix and it gives them nightmares.  I have my settings on no mature content already, but it still pops up.  If you want your machine to be family friendly, then you have to watch crap like this!  That State of Emergency ad picture has got to go or at least have an option to make things like that not show up.  

 

Please respond if you read this. 

[4nik8tor]

head to head. Microsoft is losing.

 

losing hard

[John_Smith420]

Cheapy - how did your follow up yoga class go? Any awkward encounters?

[spid]

I have not used my headset in months. I do not know where it is at the moment.  Including a Kinect makes it easier for the general public to have chat online.  If I thought the chief problem with people saying stupid things was kids I would say having a headset only fosters that.  It allows the kids to hear the stuff without their parents knowledge.  I really do not run into jerks that offen, but most of them seem to be adults.   I do think Microsoft's new Smartmatching, if it works, could help reduce the number of idiots you run into. 

 

If no one has seen this demo of Kinect it shows how the noise cancellation will work on Kinect.

 

[RichMeisterMan]

Why is it that when people make an assumption about the XboxOne's built in mic the assumption is often that it's going to be a PoS? I mean, you can just as easily take it in the opposite direction and assume it's going to work great.

 

If my iPhone can detect and limit background noises I am sure that the XboxOne will be capable of the same. You can make a case for other people being in the room and talking, but I think that's a small issue in all actuality. As for people/kids/spouses/etc. being rowdy and yelling, shouting, cussing, screaming, and crying; that kind of loud and crass stuff is going to come through a mic no matter what, whether it's sitting on your head an inch from your mouth or sitting in your TV stand.

 

The biggest issue people seem to have is that they don't want to communicate in a different way than they are used to. The alternative might be better and more convenient but they want to stick with what they know which in this case is a headset.

 

Also, this is not the same as the PS3 and its complete lack of out of the box communication, that comparison should not have been made.

[guardian_owl]

FYI - no reason to start over.  If you get a new copy of the game, you can move your character into the new game save to be the mayor (only if you were not the mayor in your original town).  That way you can let the wife continue to have her game, but move ahead in your own and not have to worry about her.

 

The game is only $26.59 at Walmart and Amazon right now so it is a good time to get a second copy.  I don't see it going much lower than that any time soon.

 

http://www.amazon.co...&pf_rd_i=507846

 

But anyway Wombat, I agree with your frustration with sharing the 3DS/AC game.  After just ONE day of my son playing on my copy, I went out and not only bought him his own copy of the game, but also a 3DS to play it on .

 

And I think now we see the reason why they won't let you switch back forth between which character is the mayor, to sell more copies. :P.

[kube00]

Great show guys. Sorry about the Yoga Cheapy, people need to take responsibility sometimes. 

 

Id love a code for Fist Puncher!