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Posted 04 August 2014 - 03:17 AM
While everything you said is true, what about the Knicks? Lakers only had maybe 4 bad years. The knicks have sucked for the longest.
Knick fans will never have to worry about their team relocating because of low profits. The fact that they've sucked for so long is all on Dolan.
Posted 04 August 2014 - 03:23 AM
While everything you said is true, what about the Knicks? Lakers only had maybe 4 bad years. The knicks have sucked for the longest.
The Knicks dont need star players to make a profit. They haven't been really competitive for 15-20 years, no titles in 40 years yet they are most valuable NBA franchise. They were valued at around 1 billion dollars last year, and I believe the Lakers were around $900 million. I bet the Clippers selling for $2 billion sky rocketed the Knicks value.
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Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:41 PM
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Posted 04 August 2014 - 11:58 PM
Seems as though the Cavs and Minnesota have reached an agreement involving Love and Wiggins. ESPN reports a 3 team deal that would send Bennett to the sixers along with wiggins and possibly thaddeus young to the wolves. Deal cannot be made until Aug 23rd per wiggins' rookie contract.
If Cleveland gets Love without giving up Waiters, they win this deal easily imo
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:30 AM
Lol Cleveland and Dan Gilbert trying to do the very thing they cried and bitched about when it came to Miami and Lakers. Pos organization to the fullest
Dan Gilbert is a hypocrite but it doesn't change the fact that the NBA lacks competitive balance. That is what he and fellow small market owners were bitching about.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 02:34 AM
If Cleveland gets Love without giving up Waiters, they win this deal easily imo
Waiters is an inefficient chucker. He shoots more shots from the 16-23 foot range than from any other distance. Losing him would mean very little, especially with Miller and possibly Ray Allen coming on board. Getting Love without trading Wiggins would have been a heist.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 03:16 AM
Waiters is an inefficient chucker. He shoots more shots from the 16-23 foot range than from any other distance. Losing him would mean very little, especially with Miller and possibly Ray Allen coming on board. Getting Love without trading Wiggins would have been a heist.
I agree somewhat, but the upside a 22 year old Waiters has makes him worth hanging onto imo that's why I feel Cleveland won this deal. I remember seeing his name in the original (or one of them at least) package offer for Love. Wiggins, Waiters, Bennett and another first rounder would've been too much.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 05:56 PM
Waiters averaged nearly 20 ppg after the All Star break last season. He's a good piece to have around.
His post-break ORtg was 104, even with a hot April. League average was 106.7. His true shooting percentage was also slightly below league average. Even with the best stretch of basketball of his career, he was below league average offensively. If he's the holdup in a Kevin Love deal, the GM in question should be fired and never have a job in the NBA again.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:39 PM
Sounds like a bunch of meaningless stats to me.
ORtg is a measurement of offensive efficiency, as measured by shooting percentages and free throw, offensive rebound, turnover, and assist rates. True shooting percentage takes two point FG%, three point FG%, and FT%, and condenses them down into a single percentage. True shooting percentage is roughly the equivalent of OPS in baseball, which is hardly some obscure concept.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:46 PM
I'm saying that watching him play is a lot more valuable than going off of stats alone. He's a good scorer that will easily benefit from the new additions to the team and will be a valuable part of the team whether he becomes a starter or comes off the bench.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:49 PM
I'm saying that watching him play is a lot more valuable than going off of stats alone. He's a good scorer that will easily benefit from the new additions to the team and will be a valuable part of the team whether he becomes a starter or comes off the bench.
Who cares how good he could theoretically be if he shoots the least efficient shot most often? This is like arguing that ______ would be better if he stopped chasing pitches out of the strike zone. Guess what? They aren't going to stop chasing pitches out of the strike zone, it's rare for a player to change drastically once they make it to the pros. If Waiters was going to improve dramatically, he wouldn't have taken a step backwards with his shot selection last season. He would have made an incremental advancement.
Aside from having terrible shot selection, he was terrible from the free throw line. He has decent athleticism. Everything else about him is average or below average, shooting included.
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Posted 05 August 2014 - 10:58 PM
Who cares how good he could theoretically be if he shoots the least efficient shot most often? This is like arguing that ______ would be better if he stopped chasing pitches out of the strike zone. Guess what? They aren't going to stop chasing pitches out of the strike zone, it's rare for a player to change drastically once they make it to the pros. If Waiters was going to improve dramatically, he wouldn't have taken a step backwards with his shot selection last season. He would have made an incremental advancement.
Aside from having terrible shot selection, he was terrible from the free throw line. He has decent athleticism. Everything else about him is average or below average, shooting included.
Who's talking about him making drastic improvements? I said he's a good piece to have on this team. That's it. Feel free to move on if you want to talk about what his stats really mean and how he'll never amount to anything or whatever because I'm not interested in that at all.
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Posted 06 August 2014 - 12:11 AM
Who's talking about him making drastic improvements? I said he's a good piece to have on this team. That's it. Feel free to move on if you want to talk about what his stats really mean and how he'll never amount to anything or whatever because I'm not interested in that at all.
A below average player is not a good piece to have on any team, let alone a team that is best suited by surrounding its best player with excellent perimeter shooters and willing defenders. I get it, you're a homer, you grow to like most of your favorite team's players.
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Posted 06 August 2014 - 03:50 PM
A below average player is not a good piece to have on any team, let alone a team that is best suited by surrounding its best player with excellent perimeter shooters and willing defenders. I get it, you're a homer, you grow to like most of your favorite team's players.
Stats are great at predicting future returns if baseline conditions stay the same or are somewhat similar. Playing with James and Love will drastically change the baseline conditions. Their presence on the court will afford Waiters more open looks at the basket, which in turn will improve his shot selection. Additionally, he'll be asked to do far less than before meaning that he should be able to give you greater output whenever he is on the court, allowing him to play at a higher level. All these factors should result in improved efficiency numbers. Either way by the end of the season we'll all know what type of player Waiters really is.
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