[Sgt Barone]

This CAGcast will be perfect for my drive from Columbus to Cleveland tonight.  Thanks guys!

[CaptainJoel]

On the topic of the Injustice UE, the season pass was only $14.99 which is essentially buy 3 get 1 free on the characters and you get the Flashpoint 1 costume pack for free. An altogether savings of $8 is good enough for a season pass and it seems kind of dumb to complain about the lack of skins or content in it when your savings are equal to a little over half of the asking price. It was certainly better than anything that Capcom has done with their fighting game DLC (Jesus, UMvC3 skins are expensive). Given that it was actually a good deal it seems like Wombat's main complaint is that it either didn't cost more and include all of the characters and costumes (they do cost more money to make since different textures can be expensive) or that he just didn't like that they called it a season pass. If his problem is with the term "season pass," then what else should they call it? That season of character content did end and your pass was only for the characters released during that season, so it makes a lot of sense to call it a season pass to me. It's essentially the same as buying a season pass to a tv show on iTunes. You don't get everything associated with The Walking Dead tv show (Talking Dead, soundtrack, apps, games) released by buying the fourth season's pass and once that season ends you won't be getting any new content without paying for it. Does that kind of thing bother you too? 

[maxiell]

To me, Wombat is NeoGAF pretty much. Nice on the Genesis at launch tho.

 

Anybody know what the song that opens the show is?

[trip1eX]

The problem with pc game streaming is responsiveness.   Latency.   Wifi has too much latency for streaming pc games to another screen. 

 

Then you have all the headaches associated with all the various wifi configs out there and all the various environments those configs are in that are only going to mean that most people are going to have further latency issues  not to mention compatibility problems (as if pc gaming doesn't already have enough of those problems.)    

 

The best streaming gaming device on the market is the Wii U & GamePad in my experience.  And it uses a custom version of WiFi Direct.  NIntendo and the Broadcom engineers worked together (according to a previous Iwata Asks) to get rid of much of unnecessary overhead in WiFi Direct in order to cut down the latency as much as possible.   And the result is your Wii U Gamepad is as responsive as your tv as long as it is in the same room.  

 

That is what would need to happen to make pcgame streaming work like it should.  

[trip1eX]

Cheapie right about these retarded network shows where everyone in every position is too well groomed and too young and too model-ee and milk-toasty or too pc-ee or generic-ee.   I can't watch a network show except for a comedy or two.

 

Wombat right about the comic strip ideas.  Pretty bad.  The 2 ideas sounded pretty much how Penny Arcade comic strip works.  Take something that happened and then have some fantastical ending.  So you wouldn't be satirizing the strip so much as cloning it.

 

I say do the CaGCast.   An Android dongle like the ChromeCast but for gaming.  (Not sure what "for gaming" means, but it sounded like it made sense.)

[AriesDog]

Of course Cheapy didn't like Iron Man 3 or Agents of SHIELD. Neither is a depressing documentary.

[eataburger]

I like Cheapy's comic ideas!  I think Wombat's suggestions are more traditionally "funny", but there's something to be said for WTF moments.  It's OK to be outside the box.

 

What would be funny, is Cheapy to write a comic strip and have it drawn up, then given to Wombat to make "funnier" and publish both and have people vote.

 

Lastly, that Colecovision kickstarter is a joke.  Everyone by now knows that classic gaming on iOS is ass.  These games just don't work with touchscreen controls - ask anyone who downloaded Atari's Greatest Hits or Activision Anthology.

 

 

Enjoyable show this week! 

 

 

[Nohbdy]

Steam controller demo for the hosts:

[gorgo]

Great show! Cheapy, I really liked your comic ideas.

 

And to answer your questions about Plants Vs Zombies 2, you don't HAVE to buy anything. It just speeds up the game.

 

I am on the last of the 3 "worlds" now and have almost all of the plants unlocked, having bought nothing.

 

I did hit a difficulty wall earlier, and stopped playing... if you don't play for a day (it seems) they throw a Treasure Yeti at you as a stimulus to get back in. That actually helped me get the extra keys and stars to move on.

 

That said, I'd rather have paid for the game, as I did the first, and not have to work so hard at getting so many stars to open future levels.

[louiedog]

I'm only half-way through the episode and I've already agreed with Cheapy twice. This is unprecedented! 

 

I do think that Agents of SHIELD is bad. It seems like an expensive show that's built to be as broad as possible which will ultimately hurt it. I think Terra Nova had similar issues.

 

I also think he's right that GameStop could be on the list for the next Android console announcement. They've been buying and selling mobile devices for awhile now. They're publishing Kongregate games on Android. One of the biggest problems facing these things, apart from the fundamental issue that I think we all see, is getting them into retail channels and marketing them. GameStop has a lot of stores and an army of employees right there waiting to ask if you'd like to preorder the GameStop Console.

[solipse]

Don't worry Wombat, I too was a Master system kid.  I loved it, Phantasy Star, Ninja, Shinobi.  Those were some great games.  I loved being able to play Double Dragon the way it was in the arcade and not the crappy NES 1 player version only.

[metallicoholic]

As someone that bought the ridiculously overpriced special edition of Injustice, I can't say I'm surprised there's a GOTY edition; actually I was expecting it. But I wanted to play the game when it first came out and I bought some of the DLC characters at a discounted rate, so I don't feel incredibly cheated. I am, however, annoyed at the fact that the Ultimate Edition is coming out just seven months after the game is released. To me that's just too short a window. Normally with GOTY editions, I resign myself to waiting at least an entire year for one to come out but if that window is going to get smaller and smaller, I will be less likely to purchase games right out of the gate.

[jkanownik]

CheapyD's comics section was hilarious. I want a CheapyD comedy section every podcast. I was laughing during the entire segment.

 

Spoiler

Of course I was laughing at Cheapy and not with him. The pause before Wombat and Shipwreck first responded was killer.

[DarwinLovesDevo]

Be careful what you wish for in wanted movie directors to shoot video games.  "Lollipop Chainsaw" was directed by one of my favorite directors, James Gunn.  Sure, you probably never heard of him, but he has a good list of imdb movies.  The game was a mess with some cool moments, but I can't stand behind his decisions in the game as he talked about them on various podcasts (like the Nerdist).

 

Video game directors will someday rise to the forefront as good ones should be heralded as much as movie directors.  They need to bring the game together and you feel it when a game has "it" and when it doesn't.  Personally, I think indie games feel better since because of the smaller crew and better control of the game.  Think of smaller games on Steam for the PC PC PC PC PC like "Outlast" and "Knock Knock" and how good the direction is compared to big budget titles.

[detectiveconan16]

Cheapy, you should've gotten TC to fly you and your wife in that copter.

 

I don't watch Agents of Shield because frankly I don't find the cast all that relatable, except I do like Coulson and Ming Na, even if they are about the same age as I am. I would be happy if they had just two kids on the program, and the rest of the cast be at least 30.

[MattZack]

Wombat, what the heck are you talking about with voting about gender.  Democracy is a form of government!  The only bill I know of that even remotely supports your argument is the Indiana Pi bill.  Even if that had passed it would not change the ratio that is Pi, because the ratio is set and is a mathematical fact.  That is not an opinion.  You can't have an "opinion" that someone is a male or female.  This is governed by genetics and there are times when someone is both, but a vote doesn't change the genetics.  An opinion is a personal judgement about something.  You can think that a female is a male, but that is not based on opinion, it is based on fact.  I really can't believe you don't get the difference between opinions and facts.

 

To quote the guy from Billy Madison:

 

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.  At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.  I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."

[CaptainJoel]

To quote the guy from Billy Madison:

 

"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.  At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.  I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."

That's appropriate for about 90% of what Wombat says.

[codenamelenny]

Wombat, what the heck are you talking about with voting about gender.  Democracy is a form of government!  The only bill I know of that even remotely supports your argument is the Indiana Pi bill.  Even if that had passed it would not change the ratio that is Pi, because the ratio is set and is a mathematical fact.  That is not an opinion.  You can't have an "opinion" that someone is a male or female.  This is governed by genetics and there are times when someone is both, but a vote doesn't change the genetics.  An opinion is a personal judgement about something.  You can think that a female is a male, but that is not based on opinion, it is based on fact.  I really can't believe you don't get the difference between opinions and facts.

What he means is that people will state their "opinions" about something but in reality it's just wrong information. He wasn't referring to specifically government.

[MattZack]

What he means is that people will state their "opinions" about something but in reality it's just wrong information. He wasn't referring to specifically government.

 

To quote Wombat:

 

"If you were to ask 15 people, without them being able to check, whether or not a rabbit is a male rabbit or a female rabbit.  Then you have them vote on whether or not the male rabbit is a female or male rabbit, and female wins, but the rabbit is a male.  In a democratic society, that rabbit is now a female whether, regardless of the biology"

 

And then Cheapy said what we were all thinking:

 

"What the f$@k are you talking about dude?"

 

Prior to this, Wombat gives examples of "opinions":

 

"I think bald headed people are dumber than people with hair.  That is not a correct opinion."  

"In my opinion that rabbit with a penis is a woman."

 

Neither of these is an opinion at all.  Putting "I think" or "in my opinion" into a sentence doesn't make it an opinion.  Both of these have objective parameters that could be measured to ascertain if the statement is true.  An opinion is subjective and can only be measured by the one giving it.

 

codenamelenny, if that was his point, I really did not get that out of it, but you maybe correct.  Still, on this topic I stand by my earlier post.

[actripxl]

I used to have an NES but I also wanted a Master System, didn't get a Sega branded console until the Genesis which as Wombat said "was the bomb".

[Wombat]

To quote Wombat:

 

"If you were to ask 15 people, without them being able to check, whether or not a rabbit is a male rabbit or a female rabbit.  Then you have them vote on whether or not the male rabbit is a female or male rabbit, and female wins, but the rabbit is a male.  In a democratic society, that rabbit is now a female whether, regardless of the biology"

 

And then Cheapy said what we were all thinking:

 

"What the f$@k are you talking about dude?"

 

Prior to this, Wombat gives examples of "opinions":

 

"I think bald headed people are dumber than people with hair.  That is not a correct opinion."  

"In my opinion that rabbit with a penis is a woman."

 

Neither of these is an opinion at all.  Putting "I think" or "in my opinion" into a sentence doesn't make it an opinion.  Both of these have objective parameters that could be measured to ascertain if the statement is true.  An opinion is subjective and can only be measured by the one giving it.

 

codenamelenny, if that was his point, I really did not get that out of it, but you maybe correct.  Still, on this topic I stand by my earlier post.

 

You seemed to have missed the whole point. Codenamelenny pretty much summed up what I was trying to say. I think evolution would have been better example than rabbits, since that is an "opinion" that is voted on. I am sorry if you don't understand things.

[MattZack]

You seemed to have missed the whole point. Codenamelenny pretty much summed up what I was trying to say. I think evolution would have been better example than rabbits, since that is an "opinion" that is voted on. I am sorry if you don't understand things.

 

Trying is used absolutely correctly in your response.  Good job Wombat!

[DarwinLovesDevo]

Making a strip poking fun at "Penny-Arcade" would be pretty meta and could highlight some of their mistakes and some of the crap they deal with (it doesn't have to be all negative).  Proper satire was explained by Wombat and Ship, but satire should also have a heart for its subject matter.  If it comes off as mean and spiteful, then it seems petty.

 

For example, "Portalandia" makes fun of Portand (and the modernity of our century) but there is no mean spirit.  People who watch the show can laugh and see bigger and goofier versions of themselves.  Some will be offended sometimes since looking in the mirror can be a harsh truth-teller.

 

Lastly, keep Cheapy away from the storyboarding...  

[hunterny77]

Wombat for a brief moment, I thought you made an appearance on an episode of Comic Book Men entitled "the Incredible Bulk". I thought you were the guy who wanted to buy the Daredevil comic for $60.

[jbug617]

Wombat, just to remind you when WB announces the next MK game (probably next year) hold out for the GOTY edition. 

 

Cheapy, I post on GAF and you know what there is more to GAF then just the gaming side. Sure the console war threads are pretty dumb but you can ignore them. I suggest visiting the Off-topic section

[joyce_181502]

Wombat being a NeoGAF fan explains a LOT.

 

I was also a Sega Master system (bought first) kid so that can't be a reason for his "unique wackiness".

 

I'm also kind of curious as to what makes him qualified to do comedy over Cheapy as everyone tends to think they are funny but that doesn't make them a comedian / comedy writer.

 

 

As for the comic strip idea, was the podcast editied?  Is there a section that was cut out?  A brief mention of Penny Arcade and then bam! into some bizarro PA slam comic.

 

 

And finally, GTA5 just came out.  If you are going to mobilize gamers on Washington, DC it has to be the summer when there aren't high profile game releases and a majority of folks are on summer break.

[joyce_181502]

Can you give an example of a game that doesn't have conflict? Just wondering.

 

I think it somewhat depends on how broad your definition of conflict is.

 

Puzzle games like Tetris and Bejeweled could be considered unless you feel making lines and matching gems vs. a timer is a source of "conflict".  I.e., if conflict relates to if / whether you continue playing.

 

Which brings us to how folks consider Dear Esther and Gone Home games as the gameplay is more of a discovery nature.

 

Then there's several free to play games like Simpsons Tapped Out and Smurf Village where you just tap and build stuff in a more creative nature.

[blueArcana]

ah the wii60 era, good times

[Kazaganthi]

I like how Cheapy unknowingly defended the PS Vita TV. Seriously, go back and listen to him rag on Android consoles and brings up Apple TV(if it could play iPhone games) as a better alternative because "it can do a whole bunch of other stuff too"...just like the PS Vita TV with Vita games + tons of other streaming/moving watching stuff too! He was describing something like the PS Vita TV without knowing it

 

Great show guys, and Simpsons was on my mind the whole episode thanks to the title