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Dare I bring up the Martin-Zimmerman event again? OK, Fine


#91 egofed   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1012 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:25 AM

I'm still stuck on the "work for welfare" part because that would mean expanding the government by providing MORE government jobs...jobs that would require a minimum wage and more than likely displace full-time workers, which would then also be reliant on the government for similar programs that he's railing against. But hey, COMMON SENSE, amirite?

You assume minimum wage. I am against forced minimum wage. The program I detail would have litter pickup, painting and maintenance of public buildings, etc as requirements to receive welfare. No increase in costs and no one sitting around their house just collecting a check. It would also create an incentive to get off welfare.



#92 egofed   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1012 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:30 AM

It's true, it doesn't make sense, and like many of those proposals, is shortsighted and neglects to consider how interconnected 20 other programs, departments, and events are. Then the forced sterilization/birth control? Jesus, the Nazis called, and they want ego to chill. I don't think anybody is happy that lazy people who are the face of the stereotype get free shit, but they are also the vast minority. I'd like to see defense, foreign aid, and some forms of personal and corporate welfare tightened up, but it's kind of like the mess of a healthcare system we have. I don't see a way to fix 2-3 things, without breaking a dozen more.  

 

While we're on the topic of rants, I have a brilliant idea-federal taxed campaign contributions. Let people and corporations donate as much as they want, but the candidate needs to declare it, and pay 20% tax, with funds earmarked to pay down the debt. You want to donate $10M to the candidate of your choice? OK, thanks for the $5M in debt relief.

 

On the topic of great ideas, you know what also makes sense? Buying my children's book. Copies still available. Act now.

We indeed do have too many wasteful programs. Simplify, simplify, simplify. I also decry foreign aid, military spending at such a stupid amount, and corporate welfare. Check my post history and you will verify this fact. The only reason that we argue about welfare reform is because the regulars agree with all the other cuts. O:) Why debate something we all agree on?

 

I am against a minimum wage. Welfare programs allow corporations to pay less BECAUSE they know that tax payers will make up the difference. Kind of like gov't backed college loans inadvertently upping tuitions, business sees a way to cut its bottom line and goes for it. We should allow customers to dictate what businesses succeed. If business declines due to a boycott over lower wages, then a rational, viable business will raise wages to bring customers back, foregoing any gov't involvement. We do not realize the power that consumers could possess, instead we seek gov't regulation over the free market to "solve" our problems. Maybe I am too naïve here and people would rather save a buck than band together and boycott for better pay. I also think that the standard of living is way above what is necessary for comfortable survival. You guys will have a field day with that comment. :wave:

 

Nazi? Really? Because I seek a way of ending poverty by making sure people who don't have the resources to live don't procreate? Are you aware that the population of Ethiopia has almost doubled since 1990 although almost its whole nourishment is dependent on foreign aid? Does that make sense?

 

I also bought your book. It is shit. O:)



#93 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 02:35 AM

You assume minimum wage. I am against forced minimum wage. The program I detail would have litter pickup, painting and maintenance of public buildings, etc as requirements to receive welfare. No increase in costs and no one sitting around their house just collecting a check. It would also create an incentive to get off welfare.


You're still taking away formerly paid jobs, putting those people out of work and on the road to needing government assistance. You're also glossing over a wealth of other potential problems, who pays if they're injured, who gets the benefit of this indentured servitude cause there's only so many public works projects to be done what happens when purely public works projects run out, how much time do they have to put in to get their benefits, if they're spending 40 hours working for their assistance when will they have time to attend interviews and fill out applications, so on and so forth.

#94 UncleBob  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:17 AM

I don't think it's going to put many folks out of jobs. A) these folks will need supervisors and B) for the most part, I assume, ego's talking about stuff like picking up litter from the side of the road. Planting flowers and painting benches in the parks. Good-works projects that are generally neglected or done by volunteers.

I don't foresee a time anywhere in the near future where we run out of trash that needs picked up off the side of the road by someone, somewhere.

I don't see it being a full-time job, but even if it were, I've worked with single parents who work full time and are taking night classes. Filling out job applications and interviewing isn't asking too much.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#95 berzirk   I'm not so serious CAGiversary!   2431 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 03:50 AM

 

I also bought your book. It is shit. O:)

Well played :D  You should buy a copy though. The kids will love it, and if you've never seen Sparky the Fire Dog read a book about poop, then in my opinion, you've never lived.



#96 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6093 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 08:55 AM

Numbers ego. Numbers, quantifying costs and savings.
wahhhhh noone helped me so they must not help anyone. - knoell

#97 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6093 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 09:02 AM

Also, has ego never taken a history class? Governments have tried eugenics, make work programs and having no minimum wages before. It wasn't like it made things better.
wahhhhh noone helped me so they must not help anyone. - knoell

#98 mykevermin   Queen of Scotland CAGiversary!   36705 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:18 AM

But he means it *sincerely*, so that's the difference here.


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#99 UncleBob  

Posted 12 May 2015 - 01:02 AM

A.) http://jezebel.com/k...tin-1703658589#

B.) Did Jezebel use the super-secret dog whistle racist word "Thug" just because Zimmerman's Hispanic?
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#100 irideabike   no show CAGiversary!   6036 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 May 2015 - 03:04 PM

No, they didn't use thug to replace nigger or a hispanic slur; they used it sarcastically to compare/contrast how it was used to describe the 17 year old kid he shot and killed.  You'd think you would have noticed the emphasis they placed on that towards the end of the short article they had.


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#101 mykevermin   Queen of Scotland CAGiversary!   36705 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 13 May 2015 - 03:23 PM

I'm only here to read headlines and pass judgment.

 

Fuck your reading to the end of all 125 words. I got stuff to do (like read headlines and pass judgment).


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#102 UncleBob  

Posted 13 May 2015 - 07:28 PM

But... but... calling someone a "thug" is being racist...
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#103 irideabike   no show CAGiversary!   6036 Posts   Joined 7.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 May 2015 - 12:40 AM

For some reason I think that would have been your response regardless of what anyone posted.

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#104 UncleBob  

Posted 14 May 2015 - 01:10 AM

For some reason I think that would have been your response regardless of what anyone posted.

I've been listening to a crowd of folks on here for *years* pull complete bull**** out like "herpderp Only morons say 'Obamacare'" and explain all about the secret dog-whistle words for racism. But, it seems everytime it's pointed out that these words and phrases aren't always used in a racial context - folks get slammed down for being ignorant of the 2,000+ years of suffering that has been brought upon every non-white person ever simply by someone using a word like "thug" to describe what is a "thug".

Just like the complaints over the usage of the term "Obamacare", we see folks suddenly tripping over themselves trying to justify why, in this case, it's okay!

Next thing you know, we'll have someone disparaging Zimmerman's Hispanic heritage because he's lighter than a paper bag. Oh, wait... been there, done that.

Do some folks use words like "thug", "boy", and "you there" in a negative racial context? Sure. Should backwards, ignorant-ass folks who resort to negative racial slurs of any kind be held up as a poster child for everything that's wrong with white folk?

“If you don’t want to be treated like a thug or be considered one, then don’t act like one.”
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#105 Spokker   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2207 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 14 May 2015 - 07:01 PM

More people say Obamacare because Obama embraced the term. So now it has no meaning behind it, it's just what it's called. Initially, it had a negative meaning behind it. 



#106 UncleBob  

Posted 14 May 2015 - 11:52 PM

I agree that there *were* (and still are) folks who use the term with a negative connotation, but the term caught on quickly and was being used heavily by a lot of folks, even at the time that statement was made.

It really doesn't matter what words you use, it's your intent with those words. If someone says "Man, I really hate people from >insert here<." vs. "Man, I really hate >slang meant to refer to people from here<., it doesn't make the first person a better person than the second simply because they didn't use the slang.

Meanwhile, someone using the word "thug" to replace a particular different word, it doesn't make them better because they avoided the alternative. But, if the person is using the word to describe a person engaging in thug-like behavior (as it sounds like Zimmerman did via this article or, say, robbing a convience store), that doesn't make the person worse.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#107 Spokker   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2207 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 14 May 2015 - 11:57 PM

Most of my racial beliefs come from this anyway: 

 

He disowned his own bit but it's timeless.

 

Back when I was a kid I used the word frivolously once, and this black dude in the apartment complex explained to me that "nigger" was a state of mind. It refers to an ignorant person. 



#108 dohdough   Sum Dum Guy CAGiversary!   6568 Posts   Joined 6.6 Years Ago  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 03:30 PM

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#109 UncleBob  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 04:14 PM

You know, every time you post a troll meme, it just further entrenches the fact that you have literally nothing of value to contribute.

Is this not the most accurate statement ever made on Vs., or what?

I wonder if we could get Cheapy to change the little disclaimer at the top of this forum...
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#110 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 15 May 2015 - 04:25 PM

I already know, without even having to click the "View it anyway" for a blocked user, that his reply is once again going to be the quote about posting troll memes and nothing of value. It's become utterly predictable at this point. Who drags something out that long, even on the internet?

#111 UncleBob  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 04:35 PM

He's right, guys. It's totally predictable at this point that DD is going to make a worthless meme post, then I'll point it out. You'd think we could move on from this already.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#112 mykevermin   Queen of Scotland CAGiversary!   36705 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 05:04 PM

Most of my racial beliefs come from this anyway: 

 

He disowned his own bit but it's timeless.

It's charming to ignore that, while racial conditions in the US have improved *substantially* since our founding, institutional, systemic racism has changed form and still lingers.

 

The Chris Rock narrative is easily accessible because it pretends that institutional discrimination doesn't exist, you're not at fault for enacting and benefitting from passive white privilege throughout your life, and that it is actually blacks who are responsible for fixing their condition on your own.

 

So this narrative works for you because it means you can sit in your barcolounger and decry racism as something blacks need to fix for themselves.


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#113 Spokker   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2207 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 08:01 PM

 

The Chris Rock narrative is easily accessible because it pretends that institutional discrimination doesn't exist, you're not at fault for enacting and benefitting from passive white privilege throughout your life, and that it is actually blacks who are responsible for fixing their condition on your own.

People got it because it was based in truth. People laughed because it mirrors their own experiences. And I'm only half-white so do I get half-white privilege? My last name is ethnic-sounding so surely I suffer from racism when I submit a resume, right? 



#114 UncleBob  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 08:09 PM

People got it because it was based in truth. People laughed because it mirrors their own experiences. And I'm only half-white so do I get half-white privilege? My last name is ethnic-sounding so surely I suffer from racism when I submit a resume, right?


I think you have to take a photo of yourself next to a brown paper bag, then let the color brigade judge you based on how your skin color compares to the color of that bag before they can determine if your life experiences actually have any relevance or importance to them, the topic at hand, or life in general.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy, instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it."

#115 Spokker   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2207 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

Posted 15 May 2015 - 09:58 PM

At the very least, I cannot be racist per prevailing progressive liberal belief (remember, according to them racism is prejudice plus power and only whites are in power), and I have the census records to prove it.