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CAGcast #374: You're Welcome, Everyone


#1 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17050 Posts   Joined 12.0 Years Ago   Has been playing Grand Theft Auto V
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Posted 24 July 2014 - 05:25 AM

Cheapy pitches a Nintendo portable educational/gaming hybrid and a line of CAG accessories, Wombat explains how long you will play Destiny, and Shipwreck eats more hotdogs.
 
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#2 HansKaosu   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   229 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:24 AM

Huzza.. My morning is saved :)



#3 Korny   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   69 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:45 AM

Cheapy:

 

The RSS for the full CAGcast catalog is broken. I don't know how you are generating it, but the XML declaration in cagcastfull.xml on FeedBurner is appearing on line 2 of the file. It needs to be right at the beginning of the file. Every web browser I use just throws an XML Parsing Error instead of rendering the page.

 

(The other feed is fine.)



#4 AshesofWake   chum is fum CAGiversary!   4588 Posts   Joined 10.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:15 AM

awwww yiissss. Diablo 3 and Cagcast night woot. woot. 


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#5 thorbahn3   Everyone talks too much! CAGiversary!   3340 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 09:06 AM

You can buy this thing Shipwreck to easily wire your PS4 and other systems: http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

It uses your electrical system wires to connect your system to your router. It even works in surge protector outlets. Bought one after I bought my PS4 since the Wi-fi is crap for the system. Even bought one for my 360 after it worked so great for my PS4.


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#6 I Am ProZac   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   205 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 02:00 PM

It was nice to actually hear a discussion on the 3DS. However, I still think Cheapy isn't considering the whole picture. He's only concerned with marketing to kids, but Nintendo's market is much wider than that. It certainly sounds like a more appealing option to parents/kids, but you're probably taking from anyone older than 10.
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#7 Curufinwe   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   958 Posts   Joined 6.0 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 02:26 PM

Cheapy is home all day long while his wife works, but he never makes dinner?


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#8 Darth Sontin   Ostrava of Boletaria CAGiversary!   312 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 02:32 PM

I want a limited edition PS4 Cheap Ass Gamer Wombat Controller. It uses the controller speaker to do a random Batman impression every 5 minutes.


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#9 zebwinz   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   132 Posts   Joined 6.8 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 03:30 PM

Wombat, a Harmony remote works great with the Xbox One. I have two activities set up for it "Watch TV" where all the video controls are for the cable box and "Play Xbox" which changes everything to control the Xbox menus. Since the inputs are the same, pressing the activity buttons switches controls over instantly. Highly recommend for yours and your family's sanity :)
 


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#10 FecesBreath   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   78 Posts   Joined 6.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:44 PM

Cheapy, hearing the story of you having lunch with an Icelander (Icelandic?) and Chinese listener reminded me another thing I have to add on my must-do list for my Japan next month: meeting my favourite C-list podcasting celebrity to talk games and culture! Any chance you can squeeze in a meet-up with a Mexican-American-Spanish fan in August?

And on that note, do you have a stickie somewhere on the site with some of your favourite places to eat (not Tokyo America club haha) or to buy Batman collectibles?



 



#11 Bezerker   Bezerker Barrage! CAGiversary!   6525 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:54 PM

I like to play metrovania games while eating saaasauges in my gararge :-P

 

Also a bit disturbed by the gang wanting to see games involving dogs fighting eachother.  Its a gross thing regardless of whether its in space or on earth.


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#12 Bruce LeeRoy   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   51 Posts   Joined 3.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 06:03 PM

New Cagcast. Gonna be a good day

#13 AriesDog   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   496 Posts   Joined 7.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:41 PM

That Gameboy conversation was boring and went on for so long.

#14 Falion   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   111 Posts   Joined 10.7 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

I'm really surprised to hear that Shipwreck enjoyed the "art of video games" exhibit as much as he did. I checked it out in Phoenix a few months ago and was severely disappointed.

Selecting four games to represent each console based on those terrible categories (Target???) led to some really bizarre choices, like LotR: Battle for Middle-Earth 2 representing the Xbox 360. That normally wouldn't be enough to ruin an entire exhibit, except... there was hardly anything else there! There were no interesting examples of how art in video games has evolved, or how games could be considered art.

The fact that the gift shop was filled with stacks of the curator's own book, coupled with a ridiculously high entrance fee, really illuminated what the whole thing was about: some guy making money off his half-assed game collection.

#15 shipwreck   CAG Reviews Editor Super Moderators   7519 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago   Has been playing Dying Light
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Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:18 PM

I'm really surprised to hear that Shipwreck enjoyed the "art of video games" exhibit as much as he did. I checked it out in Phoenix a few months ago and was severely disappointed.

Selecting four games to represent each console based on those terrible categories (Target???) led to some really bizarre choices, like LotR: Battle for Middle-Earth 2 representing the Xbox 360. That normally wouldn't be enough to ruin an entire exhibit, except... there was hardly anything else there! There were no interesting examples of how art in video games has evolved, or how games could be considered art.

The fact that the gift shop was filled with stacks of the curator's own book, coupled with a ridiculously high entrance fee, really illuminated what the whole thing was about: some guy making money off his half-assed game collection.

The Toledo Art Museum is free. I enjoyed hearing the short stories about the various games even if some of them weren't blockbusters. The four categories have structure to the exhibit even if stuff like LOTR: Whatever was there. It just showed how tactical games weren't a major genre on that generation of consoles. It's a concise look at gaming's evolution over the past 40+ years.
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#16 drfrielgood   www.gamedealdaily.com CAGiversary!   3607 Posts   Joined 11.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 10:00 PM

We're less than an hour from Toledo so hopefully we can stop by the art museum one of these next few weekends.

 

When Wombat was talking about meleeing guys for t-shirts I thought he was referring to E3.


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#17 AriesDog   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   496 Posts   Joined 7.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 10:21 PM

Destiny on Xbox 360 looks and plays great. I'm sure it looks better on the new systems but it works pretty damn good on last gen too.

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Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:54 PM


CAG #374

1:30 Show Feedback
1:30 - Hot dog stuff, Ship's Midwest Sausage Party
7:30 - The Art of videogames exhibit
10:30 Cheapy's lunches with CAGs
14:00 Tai's plant homework
15:45 Wombat's lunch @ Rachel's
16:45 Show Feedback
16:45 - Nintendo discussion; iphone & 3DS
30:30 Watch This: Edge of Tomorrow
32:15: - The Internship
34:00 New Releases
34:00 - Abe's Odyssey something or other
34:45 - Olli Olli (Steam)
36:00 - Hearthstone Curse of Naxx
38:00 - Dungeon Defenders Eternity
38:45 Steamn controller
39:15 Destiny
47:00 Wombat's Destiny prediction
56:30 Kinect2 price
1:00:15 Dragon Age 3 delay
1:02:30 Gamestop DLC for the next Batman
1:06:00 What would you like to see on the current consoles?
1:11:30 Controller charging

#19 bickle   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   628 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2014 - 11:57 PM

You can buy this thing Shipwreck to easily wire your PS4 and other systems: http://www.amazon.co...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
It uses your electrical system wires to connect your system to your router. It even works in surge protector outlets. Bought one after I bought my PS4 since the Wi-fi is crap for the system. Even bought one for my 360 after it worked so great for my PS4.


I just setup a similar system this weekend after getting sick of dismal wifi. Works great. I used http://smile.amazon....uct/B008F537KC/ and http://smile.amazon....uct/B00DQN3R80/. Zero configuration, just plugged them in and it worked.

#20 bickle   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   628 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:13 AM

The fact that the gift shop was filled with stacks of the curator's own book, coupled with a ridiculously high entrance fee, really illuminated what the whole thing was about: some guy making money off his half-assed game collection.


Chances are that most of the money went straight back into the museum. They are always in need of funding. They usually survive on grants and fundraisers and aren't profit centers.

#21 David Hibiki   Well then... CAGiversary!   9254 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 12:30 AM

49:48: "Where are we? What are we talking about?" - Cheapy D.

 

Yeap that's how I felt about this episode lol. Love you guys though.


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#22 Amerijapoxicano   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   211 Posts   Joined 7.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 02:26 AM

There is a very good reason indeed to buy digital if you are in my situation.

 

My brother and I like to play the same games, usually FPSs.

 

If I buy the physical copy, I must buy two in order to play together. (We each have a PS4) 

If I buy the digital copy, I can download it on both PS4s and we can both play at the same time. This means I only have to buy ONE copy. 

 

So, two physical copies = $120

      One digital copy       = $60

 

I know we could buy two copies and then sell them back when we are done. 

 

So, $120 - $40 (if we sell each for $20) = $80, plus a lot of work selling two copies. (I refuse to go to Gamestop)

 

Usually we only buy games we plan on playing for at least a year.

 

I won't even go into how my living in South Korea made for me buying GTAIV digitally. 



#23 thenexus6   more human than human CAGiversary!   1919 Posts   Joined 6.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:35 AM

Just a few points..

 

Cross buy / play between the Wii U and 3DS (and future nintendo consoles) should be a must. It's strange to me why this isn't a thing. Although the Vita hasn't done well I am guarantee cross buy has shifted many Vita systems.

 

$100, 200 is still too much for kinect. Face it theres 1) next to no games for kinect 2) the few games control badly. Xbox should redesign the a smaller kinect which is just used for Skype, apps and system control.

 

There are prons and cons for retail vs digital but the main thing for me is retail is cheaper and has better deals. Its so odd that digital games are the same price most of the time. Makes me not want to bother going digital for the same price I get - trade in options, lend to friends / family.

 


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#24 King Trax   Crazy! CAGiversary!   863 Posts   Joined 8.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 03:13 PM

Do any of you really have kids?  Maybe you live in Bizarro world?  I live in CA and at my child's elementary school most of the kids have 3DS and many have Wii U.  I did a presentation for the 2nd grade and used some slides of Nintendo games and all the kids started talking about their favorite games?  Were they Leapfog games?  Xbox or Sony?  Nope....it was either iPad/iPhone or Nintendo.  The 3DS has a large foothold in the elementary schools and Nintendo is still very popular.

 

And who buys these games for the kids?  You're right, it's the parents.  I bought my kid all the Leapfrog systems (they're great!) but also a DS since about 2-3.  I would have stuck with the Leapfrog but when all the other kids are getting Nintendo it's hard not to cave in and buy what your kid really wants.  The % of parents who never give in to their child's wants is very small.  And most of those kids wind up in foster care.

 

Would having some educational value help Nintendo sell more units?  Sure....there is that small % of parents who wouldn't buy a 3DS without the educational value.  For the rest of us, a crying kid is all that it takes.  The problem is that Nintendo is not going after that 1%, they're going after the 99% of crying kids.  And it's working for them.

 

BTW...there were plenty of DS educational games, many really good games.  And you can still play them on your new 3DS.  But besides Brain Age, were any of them the reason that the DS was such a big hit?

 

The comment that kids must be able to read to really play these games is silly.  Anyone who has a kid knows that they'll figure it out to have fun or if they get stuck then they've got parents to ask.  "What's this?  What's this say?  Tell me that.  What's that?"  x100  Even American adults play Japanese games that they can neither read nor understand, but they have a choice so not a lot of adults do this.  A first grader doesn't have a choice to play a game they can read or one they can't read;  they can't read them all.  So if the choice is to play a game they can't read or play no game at all, what do you think your child's choice will be?

 

You've all been put on parental probation.



#25 RagabooMustang  

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:13 PM

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"Well, right now I'm wearing absolutely nothing"

 

Now that's an image. A hairy Jewish guy hanging in his computer chair (presumabely) scratching his balls through his koshered tighty whiteys lol


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#26 guardian_owl   Keeper of the CAG Shrine CAGiversary!   8506 Posts   Joined 10.9 Years Ago   Has been playing Alice: Madness Returns
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:48 PM

There are prons and cons for retail vs digital but the main thing for me is retail is cheaper and has better deals. Its so odd that digital games are the same price most of the time. Makes me not want to bother going digital for the same price I get - trade in options, lend to friends / family.

Probably to avoid pissing off physical retail partners. Why would I want to take the risk bulk ordering and stocking a $60 dollar game at my chain of stores when the publisher is trying to undercut me with digital? It's funny that wombat should mention the 10% cheaper price for digital as fairly regularly PSN cards are on sale for $45 (and I know xbox point cards used to always be on sale), which works out to a 10% discount.

 

Another benefit to digital is it is a check against aftermarket price gouging for niche games that were sold in lower quantities. Some collector's would love to have that physical suidoken disc or Earthbound cart, but most probably just want to play the damn game without having to pay a hefty sum. As digital becomes more popular I wouldn't be surprised if they start printing fewer physical disc runs of niche and middle tier titles so they don't have a glut of them left over to clearance. A company doesn't have to worry about under printing and missing out on sales because if someone wants the game and a physical copy is not available they can always purchased it digital.

 

In terms of Destiny's success, in this day in age of mega budgets it's hard to tell what is a success anymore. What was it, 4 million Bioshock Inifinites and 6 million Tomb Raider Reboots weren't considered sales successes?


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#27 Kezmer   Disgruntled Gamer CAGiversary!   629 Posts   Joined 6.6 Years Ago  

Posted 25 July 2014 - 04:48 PM

Did Cheapy get a new job leading Amazon?
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#28 jinboy   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   28 Posts   Joined 7.0 Years Ago  

Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:37 PM

@Cheapy the hearthstone expansions has alot to do with the new cards that you can unlock through the naxxramus content the new cards are pretty insane. If you want to know more about each card you should really check out this video.

#29 bgame2   Pure Cag Smoothness CAGiversary!   2958 Posts   Joined 7.8 Years Ago  

Posted 25 July 2014 - 07:10 PM

Cagcast Crew:

 

For the second week in a row (and for perhaps the 4th show ever) I find myself in line with Wombat's points.  A material issue with marketing something to parents for their kids is whether the kids will actually use it.  While the concept of a learning driven handheld sounds good, it likely won't be a hit with the kids.  As a result parents won't buy it.

 

To put it in Cagcast terms:  If Shipwreck were to find a zero calorie, no-fat hot dog, he would probably realize ahead of time that it would not be worth his $2.00 to try it out.

 

 

To Wombat's point, if selling 200,000,004 pieces of software (the last few represented by Shipwreck's Best Buy purchases) is profitable, then maybe there is nothing that Nintendo actually needs to fix.


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#30 Darklurkr23   Contest Win' Machine CAGiversary!   1848 Posts   Joined 5.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 July 2014 - 10:29 PM

You guys are nuts. Destiny is god awful. I call bargain bin 20 bucks sale in 1 month when people realize it


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