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#31 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   3603 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:10 AM

Guess


The militia part? If you take out the right to Arms you can't really have a militia so im not sure how you could and retain the militia portion.

#32 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:36 AM

Weird how you intentionally not understanding something isnt an argument

#33 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   3603 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:47 AM

Weird how you intentionally not understanding something isnt an argument


I mean, you could just say what you think instead of being weird about it? Not sure why the need for the high horse, I was genuinely curious about your opinion.

So I'm assuming by that response your saying we should have the right to the militia but no guns? So what good is an unarmed militia if your government gets to the point where they are rolling tanks down city roads and putting civilians in prison with no charges?

#34 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   936 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:52 AM

Guess

No.



#35 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:54 AM

I mean, you could just say what you think instead of being weird about it? Not sure why the need for the high horse, I was genuinely curious about your opinion.

So I'm assuming by that response your saying we should have the right to the militia but no guns? So what good is an unarmed militia if your government gets to the point where they are rolling tanks down city roads and putting civilians in prison with no charges?


You don't have actual arguments or solutions. You make a bunch of fart noises and try to distract and wait it out until the next massacre. It may not work this time.

#36 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   936 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 01:41 PM

You don't have actual arguments or solutions. You make a bunch of fart noises and try to distract and wait it out until the next massacre. It may not work this time.

We actually do, it's just solutions you don't like. Unlike you, who has been vague and unproductive to this thread.



#37 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 02:20 PM

Basically no one believes you any more

#38 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   3603 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:13 PM

We actually do, it's just solutions you don't like. Unlike you, who has been vague and unproductive to this thread.


He's just trolling you at this point, he has no real solutions and has made it clear he doesn't want to participate in any dialog.

#39 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   936 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:22 PM

He's just trolling you at this point, he has no real solutions and has made it clear he doesn't want to participate in any dialog.

Oh, I know, which is sad cause it does good to have a open discussion on issues like this. Also, he gave me a new tag line to use.



#40 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:59 PM

He's just trolling you at this point, he has no real solutions and has made it clear he doesn't want to participate in any dialog.


What dialogue do you think is achievable with someone who thinks rapid fire weapons with hi cap mags should be widely available? There is not going to be a middle ground. Arming teachers etc is stupid and just a distraction.

#41 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   3603 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:16 PM

What dialogue do you think is achievable with someone who thinks rapid fire weapons with no cap mags should be widely available? There is not going to be a middle ground. Arming teachers etc is stupid and just a distraction.


I'm happy to go down that road, and I'm genuinely interested, I listen to conservative and liberal podcasts because I like to hear it all. Cheapassgamers is just a bunch of gamers talking about whatever, I have no reason to be hostile to you, I assume we both like video games.

So we ban rapid fire weapons, we ban high capacity magazines, we don't arm teachers, we remove the right to bear arms from #2A.

I'm assuming that means now guns would be illegal for all citizens to own? Is that everything or would you want more? Feel free to correct me if I said something you weren't intending.

#42 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:20 PM

At the very least ban high cap mags , bump stocks and close all the loopholes. Stronger checks and a national database.

#43 Donken   President & CEO CAGiversary!   3603 Posts   Joined 13.0 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:34 PM

At the very least ban high cap mags , bump stocks and close all the loopholes. Stronger checks and a national database.

What do you consider high capacity? I'm fine with the bump stock ban, I think most people are okay with that. Everything you said right here I'm okay with. I don't see any of that being controversial.

Are you okay with gun ranges having high capacity and rapid fire rentals? They would have special permits so if people wanted to fire them. Kind of like how they have full autos today

I think 18 year olds should be allowed to buy if they pass background checks and database. Since they can serve in the military. I don't agree with Dicks and Walmart on the 21 age, unless we change military enrollment age to 21.

Note: I think 18 year olds should be allowed to drink legally too if they want.

#44 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:37 PM

Anything over 10.

#45 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   936 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:20 PM

Anything over 10.

Would that be for detachable mags or station mags or both?

Would this be your speed?

Establish a "firearms and ammunition database";

Outlaw any operable automatic firearm;

Outlaw any semiautomatic firearm capable of accepting a magazine holding ten or more rounds;

Outlaw any semiautomatic firearm with a fixed magazine accepting ten or more rounds.

 

Senate Bill 260 in Ohio



#46 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:20 PM

I was more than clear enough.

#47 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:46 AM

https://www.npr.org/...a-ties-revealed

#48 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16939 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

TheN8torious

Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:08 PM

The problem, as was pointed out by another CAG in the Xbox Deals Political Thread, is both sides of the argument get tunnel vision and are equally stupid in pushing their "solution". The notion of banning guns is just as unrealistic as the suggestion of "if only everybody had a father figure". Well, sure...and if we had unicorns and guns shot marshmallows, everything would be better too.

 

If we're not talking about tangible obtainable solutions, it is just a bunch of fluffy fart noises that waste time until everybody gets fatigue and gives up...which is what happens over and over again.

 

Bump stocks: the reason many on the right (including Trump) are willing to ban bump stocks is because like Donken said, it mostly accomplishes nothing. It's a gesture, sure. But if you can 3D print one or achieve the same result through other means, is it even a sacrifice? It's a bargaining chip that means nothing to you. Of course you'd give that up to shut people up.

 

Second, these "stands" being taken by Dick's, Walmart, etc. are questionable. They're basically going around the law to implement their own personal policies. And I guess it's their prerogative to do that. But how long is this going to last? And like it's been mentioned...when the counter-argument is "So, I can die for my country by a weapon that I'm not able to buy in my personal life?" it gets messy. Do you raise the enlistment age to 21? I don't know...I'd probably be for it just based on the logic that 18 year olds are morons whose brains aren't even fully developed. But then again, that's probably part of the military indoctrination MO. It's about following orders, not questioning what you're being asked to do.

 

So, what tangible actions are there that will make a difference? Well, for schools specifically, I think we can do a better job securing the buildings. For all the people who talk about "we need to do something", they need to put their money where their mouth is and take the necessary measures to actually improve things. Rather than arming stressed out teachers who have more responsibilities than preparing for potential firefights and could snap at any moment (http://www.foxnews.c...igh-school.html), spend the money and put two armed resource officers in every school. Install metal detectors in all schools and have all people entering pass through a security checkpoint manned by your two SROs. Install better locks on classroom doors and have a more consistent reliable way to barricade those doors if the need arises.

 

But of course, this means raising taxes. And considering that the people who vote on those issues mostly likely don't ever step foot in a public school, good luck getting them to honestly care about any of this. So, even with tangible and obtainable solutions, you still need the right people to actually give a damn.



#49 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:58 PM

Your both sides stuff is garbage and quite frankly you are wrong

#50 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16939 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

TheN8torious

Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:06 PM

Your both sides stuff is garbage and quite frankly you are wrong

LMAO....great cuck response. 10/10.

 

This is why people with your viewpoint will continue to get nowhere. It takes more than pissing and moaning and snarky sarcasm. Roll up your sleeves and engage in critical thinking.

 

It's really not as simple as "ban all guns" OR "arm the teachers". Both perspectives are equally retarded and shortsighted.



#51 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:31 PM

Not sure what a cuck is or how it is relevant to how we cant ban bump stocks or hi cap mags because someone can 3d print an FG 42

#52 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16939 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

TheN8torious

Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:52 PM

We can do it. Trump even wants to do it so it will take the focus off of bigger issues that would cost more to address. How do you not see that's how it's being played? My argument is that there's less worth in getting bump stocks banned than there is in my other suggestions.

 

The biggest thing I try to ask when considering this stuff is "How much would it help?" I don't believe banning bump stocks will help much. It's a throwaway. The high capacity mags I even agree with. That's just a much grayer area and a battle I'm not sure can be won. But having 30 rounds that you can just spray without regard for accuracy and not needing to reload as often as the people trying to stop you is definitely a problem.

 

But as a parent of a child in public school, I'd rather focus on a winnable argument like making schools more secure...as opposed to wasting two months yelling into an echo chamber that we "need to get rid of guns"...especially when the one they're calling a "killing machine" isn't really functionally much different from this.

 

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It just looks scarier/cooler. We've seen this story before. If Sandy Hook wasn't enough to open the discussion on "gun control", then nothing will be. It makes more sense to take a different approach than just continuously beat your head against the wall.



#53 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 March 2018 - 12:41 AM

Its weird how you think one side not wanting to do anything about the Las Vegas or Sandy Hook massacres is a both sides issue

#54 TheN8torious   Shhh...I'm Invisible CAGiversary!   16939 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

TheN8torious

Posted 03 March 2018 - 01:46 AM

Its weird how you think one side not wanting to do anything about the Las Vegas or Sandy Hook massacres is a both sides issue

Jesus Christ, you are fundamentally retarded. I'm arguing for your side, numbnuts. I'm just saying that your approach is going to get Fuck all accomplished. You are the liberal that Bill Maher can't stand...so busy shouting about how right you are you can't even see when people are agreeing with you. But by all means, let the self righteousness continue.



#55 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 March 2018 - 01:56 AM

Do you have a crystal ball? If not then you really dont know how this will all play out.

#56 sasquatc4   CAG in Limbo CAGiversary!   1724 Posts   Joined 6.5 Years Ago  

Posted 03 March 2018 - 03:28 AM

Jesus Christ, you are fundamentally retarded. I'm arguing for your side, numbnuts. I'm just saying that your approach is going to get Fuck all accomplished. You are the liberal that Bill Maher can't stand...so busy shouting about how right you are you can't even see when people are agreeing with you. But by all means, let the self righteousness continue.

This

 

at this point Im not sure if msut77 is just a diehard conservative trolling everyone or not and frankly I dont care.  Thats why I gave up the discussion back when I gave my suggestions and was told I 'lost my chance to be treated seriously after Sandy Hook and Las Vegas', which Im not even sure what that even meant in regards to my comment

 

No real point in attempting to have an actual discussion when you have a random soundboard of quotes just posting in a thread in an attempt to derail it



#57 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 03 March 2018 - 03:30 AM

I bet you dont understand lots of things.

#58 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 March 2018 - 02:10 PM

Just to reiterate. I point out how blatantly dishonest etc. You guys are and how you don't argue in good faith. I get called a troll but the only "arguments" you have are :
No laws will change so don't bother
Billy Bob Cousin Humper will make a bump stock in his garage and turn an el Camino into a technical so don't bother.
None of you are engaging the possibility the NRA takes Putin Pesos in order to sow strife in America.

#59 bear489   My Trolliest President CAGiversary!   936 Posts   Joined 8.1 Years Ago  

Posted 04 March 2018 - 02:59 PM

Just to reiterate. I point out how blatantly dishonest etc. You guys are and how you don't argue in good faith. I get called a troll but the only "arguments" you have are :
No laws will change so don't bother
Billy Bob Cousin Humper will make a bump stock in his garage and turn an el Camino into a technical so don't bother.
None of you are engaging the possibility the NRA takes Putin Pesos in order to sow strife in America.

Lawl!



#60 Msut77   Occam's Shank CAGiversary!   6251 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

Posted 04 March 2018 - 03:15 PM

Also whatever a cuck is





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