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#31 EvilChamp   Super Nintendo CAGiversary!   2288 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

EvilChamp

Posted 05 December 2018 - 09:51 PM

For who? People who played it at launch? Maybe. For everyone else not so much. I got it for $20 from Black Friday a couple years back. It's been lying in my backlog ever since. If I played it right now for the first time it'd be an entirely different game than it was back then. I never experienced the "bad" version. I will only experience the "good" version, so for someone like me the damage has not been done.

The company who made the game. They damaged their rep in similar fashion as to how Bethesda damaged its rep w/ F76. This isn't about you lol. 



#32 Kev Cyberpunk   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   432 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:08 AM

The company who made the game. They damaged their rep in similar fashion as to how Bethesda damaged its rep w/ F76. This isn't about you lol. 

 

You sure? Cause considering how much they turned the game around and transformed it into a worthwhile experience I don't see it messing with their future too much. I saw the reception for this game go from non stop hate around launch to consistent praise. It's obvious they spent all the pre-order money they got on these free updates but they could've just taken the cash and ran. Bungie does it all the time. All bigger devs do that because they don't care. And publishers care even less, they're just looking to monetize as much of the game as possible. That was the motivation behind Fallout 76 in the first place, but since it backfired Bethesda will make amends with Starfield and call it a day.

 

As far as I know there aren't any microtransactions in No Man's Sky and what was promised was finally delivered (interesting universe to explore, story content, playing with other people, etc.) Damn, considering I never pre-ordered and I'm not bitter about being shafted at launch, I actually commend them for being smart enough to get all that funding upfront and then using it to manifest their original vision. It wasn't honest but it apparently worked really well for them and for the people who are playing the game right now. I can't complain about that.



#33 EvilChamp   Super Nintendo CAGiversary!   2288 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

EvilChamp

Posted 06 December 2018 - 02:48 PM

You sure? Cause considering how much they turned the game around and transformed it into a worthwhile experience I don't see it messing with their future too much. I saw the reception for this game go from non stop hate around launch to consistent praise. It's obvious they spent all the pre-order money they got on these free updates but they could've just taken the cash and ran. Bungie does it all the time. All bigger devs do that because they don't care. And publishers care even less, they're just looking to monetize as much of the game as possible. That was the motivation behind Fallout 76 in the first place, but since it backfired Bethesda will make amends with Starfield and call it a day.

 

As far as I know there aren't any microtransactions in No Man's Sky and what was promised was finally delivered (interesting universe to explore, story content, playing with other people, etc.) Damn, considering I never pre-ordered and I'm not bitter about being shafted at launch, I actually commend them for being smart enough to get all that funding upfront and then using it to manifest their original vision. It wasn't honest but it apparently worked really well for them and for the people who are playing the game right now. I can't complain about that.

Yes, I'm pretty sure. To say its rep didn't take a hit (I mean, just look at all the memes) is inaccurate. Applauding them because they didn't just take the cash and run is a bit of a head scratcher on my end; game industry shouldn't be celebrated when they don't rip consumers off. 

 

"Betheseda will make amends with Starfield and call it a day." – so it's cool that they screwed people over, but if they make a good Starfield game it's all good? I hope you're kidding.  I mean, there's even a class action lawsuit about how dirty they were in doing that. (I didn't snag F76, fwiw). 

 

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoy the game. I don't think my comments here will turn the tide of anything re: those who are cool with how sketch this industry is. 



#34 ohhellnaw  

ohhellnaw

Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:05 PM

Kind of a weird place on the internet to be talking about quality of a game or the ability to play a game right away. Considering 99% of people here buy games just to say 'I will play that one day'. So the whole process seems perfectly acceptable by this sites standards. I mean logically if you bought it at launch you should just be getting to it right? Not to mention if you paid $60 at launch and you are mad at what was promised...why are you here? Shouldnt you be at MSRP Ass Gamer?

#35 ThatOneGuyWho   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6317 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:19 PM

If EA can constantly bounce back from bad game PR, than they can too. Gamers for the most part care about the game and not the company it comes from. If they release another game and it's good, people will forget that No Man's Sky came out to lesser than expected expectations.



#36 EvilChamp   Super Nintendo CAGiversary!   2288 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:21 PM

 Shouldnt you be at MSRP Ass Gamer?

Nice. 



#37 Thebacklash   Now Drinking: Minor Case Rye Whiskey - Sherry Cask Finished CAGiversary!   2608 Posts   Joined 4.5 Years Ago  

Thebacklash

Posted 06 December 2018 - 03:28 PM

Yes, I'm pretty sure. To say its rep didn't take a hit (I mean, just look at all the memes) is inaccurate. Applauding them because they didn't just take the cash and run is a bit of a head scratcher on my end; game industry shouldn't be celebrated when they don't rip consumers off.

"Betheseda will make amends with Starfield and call it a day." – so it's cool that they screwed people over, but if they make a good Starfield game it's all good? I hope you're kidding. I mean, there's even a class action lawsuit about how dirty they were in doing that. (I didn't snag F76, fwiw).

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoy the game. I don't think my comments here will turn the tide of anything re: those who are cool with how sketch this industry is.

He was kidding. He is comparing how hello games addressed the issues, and how bethesda (and most of the industry) handles bad games at launch.
Note how many developers blame the consumer instead of accepting their mistakes and correcting them. Which is exactly what you are saying. Hello games is one of those exceptions.
Again im not saying there is no blame for what they did, just saying they have not quit the game or blamed the gamers.

If bethesda turns things around and fixes fallout 76, good. I just dont have a whole lot of faith that they will. And this could be good for the next fallout, they learn from this and make it great, or horribly bad... they drop fallout due to the lawsuit or continue down this path and keep saying its the gamers that are the problem.
If the lawsuit goes through and harms bethesdas bottom line, they could be very gun shy to make the next fallout.

I bought NMS at launch ($48) and was pissed for a long time. Tossed it in about 6 months ago and was very impressed with the changes they made. Almost exactly what was promissed.

#38 EvilChamp   Super Nintendo CAGiversary!   2288 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

EvilChamp

Posted 06 December 2018 - 05:30 PM

He was kidding. He is comparing how hello games addressed the issues, and how bethesda (and most of the industry) handles bad games at launch.
Note how many developers blame the consumer instead of accepting their mistakes and correcting them. Which is exactly what you are saying. Hello games is one of those exceptions.
Again im not saying there is no blame for what they did, just saying they have not quit the game or blamed the gamers.

If bethesda turns things around and fixes fallout 76, good. I just dont have a whole lot of faith that they will. And this could be good for the next fallout, they learn from this and make it great, or horribly bad... they drop fallout due to the lawsuit or continue down this path and keep saying its the gamers that are the problem.
If the lawsuit goes through and harms bethesdas bottom line, they could be very gun shy to make the next fallout.

I bought NMS at launch ($48) and was pissed for a long time. Tossed it in about 6 months ago and was very impressed with the changes they made. Almost exactly what was promissed.

I'm enjoying this discussion so I'll bite. 

 

My issue is that it is beyond unacceptable to release unfinished games, especially when the developer is running around saying the game will be rainbows and unicorns. It's a practice that's become so commonplace that people are defending the companies who are doing it, which, bravo to the companies for actually pulling that off. It's honestly impressive. 

 

I look at a game like God of War or Zelda or Dark Souls and compare that to F76 or NMS. The latter is unacceptable while the former is the way it should be when a game launches. Games like XCOM, which launched with bugs but overall, were widely regarded as enjoyable is fine — "I get that." 

 

In Bethesda's case, it seems they took their brand loyalty and instead of building on it, tried cashing in on it. It was an asset flip through and through, but also broken. With NMS, they promised the moon but delivered a hot turd; they knew full well they could never deliver that promise, but went about saying they were anyway. That's criminal. And overall, we should call BS when companies pull this stuff because otherwise, it will literally keep happening but at a more frequent pace. 

 

Also, I buy games at MSRP. There are pre order threads here all the time. 



#39 Kev Cyberpunk   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   432 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Kev Cyberpunk

Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:27 PM

Yes, I'm pretty sure. To say its rep didn't take a hit (I mean, just look at all the memes) is inaccurate. Applauding them because they didn't just take the cash and run is a bit of a head scratcher on my end; game industry shouldn't be celebrated when they don't rip consumers off. 

 

"Betheseda will make amends with Starfield and call it a day." – so it's cool that they screwed people over, but if they make a good Starfield game it's all good? I hope you're kidding.  I mean, there's even a class action lawsuit about how dirty they were in doing that. (I didn't snag F76, fwiw). 

 

Anyway, I'm glad you enjoy the game. I don't think my comments here will turn the tide of anything re: those who are cool with how sketch this industry is. 

 

I'm not saying it's "cool" or it's "good" that people will forget about 76 when Starfield comes out and is an excellent single player experience, but that's what's going to happen. Do you honestly think people are going to boycott Bethesda when they go back to doing what they do best? You'd have to be delusional to think that. They won't be pulling the online only nonsense again, that's for sure, but to assume all their future games are doomed now as a result is foolish. They'll be just fine, I guarantee it. I never said I support sketchy business practices, but when some games are literally pay to win money making schemes, you can't really trash No Man's Sky at this point since they've already made amends and then some.

 

Almost no one cares about the launch anymore, just go to any YouTube video for one of their recent updates and check the like bar/comments. It's all positive now. The reception couldn't be better. If you wasted $60 at launch, get over it already. Nobody forced you to pre-order. You can't keep pre-ordering games and then expect them to all turn out great. If you really want to protest misleading advertisement don't ever pre-order another game again. But for this game in particular, assuming a launch player didn't trade it in by now, the experience is a hundred times better than it was then. 



#40 Thebacklash   Now Drinking: Minor Case Rye Whiskey - Sherry Cask Finished CAGiversary!   2608 Posts   Joined 4.5 Years Ago  

Thebacklash

Posted 06 December 2018 - 07:27 PM

We are in more agreement than you think. All im saying is hello games handled the problem a HELL of a lot better than bethesda (or almost every other dev anymore)

Not defending hello games, just saying the *game* is a Hell of a lot better than launch. And i have to say good job hello games for not being a dick about their screwup. (Unlike many others...)

#41 EvilChamp   Super Nintendo CAGiversary!   2288 Posts   Joined 8.2 Years Ago  

EvilChamp

Posted 06 December 2018 - 08:33 PM

I'm not saying it's "cool" or it's "good" that people will forget about 76 when Starfield comes out and is an excellent single player experience, but that's what's going to happen. Do you honestly think people are going to boycott Bethesda when they go back to doing what they do best? You'd have to be delusional to think that. They won't be pulling the online only nonsense again, that's for sure, but to assume all their future games are doomed now as a result is foolish. They'll be just fine, I guarantee it. I never said I support sketchy business practices, but when some games are literally pay to win money making schemes, you can't really trash No Man's Sky at this point since they've already made amends and then some.

 

Almost no one cares about the launch anymore, just go to any YouTube video for one of their recent updates and check the like bar/comments. It's all positive now. The reception couldn't be better. If you wasted $60 at launch, get over it already. Nobody forced you to pre-order. You can't keep pre-ordering games and then expect them to all turn out great. If you really want to protest misleading advertisement don't ever pre-order another game again. But for this game in particular, assuming a launch player didn't trade it in by now, the experience is a hundred times better than it was then. 

Do you honestly think people are going to boycott Bethesda when they go back to doing what they do best? 

>No, I do not. It will cause some or many to pause before buying it. Previously, people bought games with the Fallout name Day 1 because of the company's history. That will no longer be the case. Also, I never mentioned the word, "boycott," though I would imagine some people will never buy their games again. 

 

They won't be pulling the online only nonsense again, that's for sure, but to assume all their future games are doomed now as a result is foolish.

>I'm not sure how you know what they will or won't do again. Two years from now, they could become the next Ubisoft, for example. I never said they were doomed, either. Their rep has taken a massive hit. They were universally loved, but now, not so much. I'm also unsure Starfield will knock it out of the park because nobody has played it. It could suck or be very mediocre. 

 

Almost no one cares about the launch anymore, just go to any YouTube video for one of their recent updates and check the like bar/comments. It's all positive now. The reception couldn't be better. If you wasted $60 at launch, get over it already.

>Um, sure. No one cares. You're right. I never bought NMS or F76, but I can promise you that your mentality about "just getting over it" is widely celebrated in the game industry. Also, YouTube, seriously? Those guys get paid to be "influencers." Yesh. 

 

Will say this: Your comments/thoughts/position on all of this is eye opening. So thanks for that. 



#42 Moonbathing  

Moonbathing

Posted 06 December 2018 - 11:15 PM

If I order it from their website, is there still a chance it will be gutted or is it guaranteed to be new/sealed?



#43 josekortez   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6722 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

Posted 07 December 2018 - 02:29 AM

Finally got my factory sealed non-gutted copy tonight after work. Used the $10 cert and no money exchanged hands.

Now I can sleep soundly knowing No Man's Sky is safely in my backlog.

#44 beatums  

Posted 07 December 2018 - 05:27 AM

the funny thing about this is everyone commenting on "new" but I just ordered that shitshow Has Been Heroes for Switch for $4.99, preowned, and it came sealed.   of course this was an online purchase, as opposed to in-store.



#45 Kev Cyberpunk   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   432 Posts   Joined 6.1 Years Ago  

Kev Cyberpunk

Posted 07 December 2018 - 06:52 AM

Also, YouTube, seriously? Those guys get paid to be "influencers." Yesh. 

 

So the overwhelmingly positive reception to the game reflected in the like bar and comments sections are "paid to be influencers". I think you mean content creators, which I don't pay attention to. But people in the comments? Take the tinfoil hat off, lol you were making some fair points but wtf are you even trying to say now. Everyone who likes No Man's Sky is a shill? I'm out, this just got ridiculous.



#46 Cybernator  

Cybernator

Posted 07 December 2018 - 03:27 PM

Is there any chance that the developer will implement an update for a VR mode on PS4?



#47 josekortez   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6722 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

Posted 07 December 2018 - 04:43 PM

The update was 10 gb after I installed the disc this morning. Didn't get to try the game since I had to go to work.

#48 CurseWater   CAG in Training CAGiversary!   31 Posts   Joined 6.6 Years Ago  

CurseWater

Posted 07 December 2018 - 07:04 PM

Still awful.


Ok troll, they've added a ton to the game with updates since launch and still add to it.

Just because you don't like the genre for the kind of game it is doesn't make it awful.

#49 nightc1   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   2641 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 07 December 2018 - 08:00 PM

Wanted this when it launched but waited for feedback and passed on it even though it still looked like something I'd enjoy (even the way it was).  At this price with all the updates I went ahead and grabbed a copy today from a local store.  Nicely it was still factory sealed.  Thanks OP for the heads up.



#50 josekortez   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6722 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 December 2018 - 02:20 PM

I have a new policy that states that I have to play a game right away if I buy it, so I played No Man's Sky last night for about 10 minutes.  I have to admit that I died within the first few minutes because of something that I was forced to do in the tutorial (no spoilers), so that put me off right away.  Strike one.

 

Morphite is one of my favorite games from last year, and it is a clone of No Man's Sky that's more focused on exploration than survival.  It was converted from mobile to console, but I enjoyed just traveling from one planet to the next to see what plants and wildlife I would encounter.  No Man's Sky allows you to do this too, but I found the control scheme and resource gathering to be way too convoluted.  I play games to relax these days and don't really give a damn about games that have a "perma-death" aspect, so I rage-quit No Man's Sky after a short while. 

 

Since we have snow falling outside today, I will give it another go, but I'm not convinced yet that it's a good game.  Perhaps it's a slow cooker.



#51 Thebacklash   Now Drinking: Minor Case Rye Whiskey - Sherry Cask Finished CAGiversary!   2608 Posts   Joined 4.5 Years Ago  

Thebacklash

Posted 09 December 2018 - 02:38 PM

The tutorial is annoying for sure. Once you get off the start planet it does get better.

And just a little heads up to people starting the game for the first time. Although everything is randomized, the start planet will always be this way. It can be a different climate etc, but it will always have the same scenario.

And a little hint. Getting in your ship will recharge your suit.. much less resources are needed. Stay near your ship and enter as needed. Also underground or in a building helps.
And yes sometimes that one item you need spawns 36 miles away, and other times 50 feet from your ship.

#52 BlurredReality   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   342 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

BlurredReality

Posted 09 December 2018 - 03:04 PM

Not to mention unless he selected to play a permadeath game that isn't a thing. When I die in NMS I pop up with maybe 2-3 minutes of travel time to recover my resources and move on.

#53 josekortez   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   6722 Posts   Joined 15.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 December 2018 - 03:45 PM

Not to mention unless he selected to play a permadeath game that isn't a thing. When I die in NMS I pop up with maybe 2-3 minutes of travel time to recover my resources and move on.

Yeah, I saw that there was a permadeath option.  I tried that one first, and then the normal mode, and I still died too quickly for my tastes.  But again, I play games to relax, so dying in the tutorial even on normal mode was a pain in the ass.  I think that playing Morphite for much of last year spoiled me.  It's the kind of game that you can just drop in and out off, fly to a planet, check out what it's like, and pop back into your ship if you want to check out another one.  It's also pretty difficult to die in that one even during the boss fights if you're prepared.  But, I'm willing to try No Man's Sky again today.  Some games are great right away, and there are others that will click with you after giving them a bit of time. 



#54 BlurredReality   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   342 Posts   Joined 7.4 Years Ago  

BlurredReality

Posted 09 December 2018 - 04:14 PM

Yeah, I saw that there was a permadeath option. I tried that one first, and then the normal mode, and I still died too quickly for my tastes. But again, I play games to relax, so dying in the tutorial even on normal mode was a pain in the ass. I think that playing Morphite for much of last year spoiled me. It's the kind of game that you can just drop in and out off, fly to a planet, check out what it's like, and pop back into your ship if you want to check out another one. It's also pretty difficult to die in that one even during the boss fights if you're prepared. But, I'm willing to try No Man's Sky again today. Some games are great right away, and there are others that will click with you after giving them a bit of time.


I think what happened to you happened to most of us initially, once you play an hour or two and just have the basics down, you'll realize all of the life support systems and suit can be charged with materials you can always find anywhere, carbon you harvest plants and trees, ferrite dust is the rocks, and oxygen is plants and sometimes trees. Once you get the basics down it becomes a much more chill exploration type title.

#55 EYEL1NER   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   2019 Posts   Joined 9.9 Years Ago  

Posted 10 December 2018 - 11:56 AM

I just started playing the game for the first time yesterday and had a blast. 6 hours in, hadn't left the planet yet, and had to put it down only because I had work last night and needed to catch some sleep. I've played crafting games and survival games but never have I played anything that made me want to explore as much as this.