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Some Bluray drives announced with prices

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/04/pioneer-bdp-hd1-blu-ray-player-coming-in-may/

http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/04/bd-1000-first-u-s-blu-ray-player/

A good range of 1000-1800.

These players are coming around spring. Anyone else getting doubts that sony can get the console out at a price that many people want it at?

From what I see the PS3 has some very very pricey components starting with the blu ray drive. I'd imagine the Cell Processor couldn't be that cheap either along with whatever video GPU they're going to use to drive up dual HDMI outputs at 1080p.

My guess is that the PS3 will be released at an incredibly high price or will be delayed until at least Christmas 2006 or sometime 2007 (Delayed according to the speculation of a 2006 spring release).

Either way this is probably some good news for MS. I'm looking forward to the next gen of Optical discs though since my TV supports 1080p So I can't wait to get a PS3 ;).
 
I doubt PS3 will be priced more than $500. That would just be suicide for the company. I am also wondering how they will make the system so cheap though.
 
I heard they've already dropped dual hd support and built in routing hub.


Sigh, with the already small HDTV userbase, demand for Blu-ray's 1080p source may be a trickle at best, meaning it will be a long while before the price comes down. The PS3 may be far, far in our future. I didn't even know they made TV's with 1080p yet, I don't think I've ever seen one in a big box store.
 
maybe the blu ray drive that they will put in won't be as costly as those ( sorry im pretty new to specs and other technology incorporated )

if they do use an expensive drive, they can probably make up for it because the PS3 will have so many qualities and uses for, a lot of people would buy it.
 
They will probably continue cutting features, etc. to make sure to get it out below $500. I honestly expect it to roll out at $499.99. I remember buying the 3DO at over $700, so it's not completely insane.
 
[quote name='AFStealth']They've already confirmed a 300-400 price range, and one SKU...[/QUOTE]

There's been no confirmation or official press release on the PS3's pricing structure. At this point its all been speculation, even what officials from Sony are saying should be taken with a grain of salt. Let's remember how Microsoft was saying, at one point, that all 360's would be shipping with a hard drive.
 
[quote name='deyemondbacks']They will probably continue cutting features, etc. to make sure to get it out below $500. I honestly expect it to roll out at $499.99. I remember buying the 3DO at over $700, so it's not completely insane.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm just saying that if they want to be successful, they can't price themselves too high. It has been a while before a console has been more than $400.

Also, if you compare the PS2 DVD player to other DVD players, it isn't that great. I have a feeling we will have a low end Blu-Ray player in the PS3. I still can't imagine the Blu-ray drive in the PS3 being that much cheaper than those players.
 
Let me say something:

RETAIL PRICES ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PRICES COMPANIES PAY WHEN MANUFACTURING HARDWARE. BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME INVOLVED AND LACK OF THE INHERENT MARKUP IN RETAIL PRICES, THE DRIVES WILL COST MUCH LESS FOR SONY TO PUT INTO THE PS3 THAN FOR US TO BUY.
 
Let's not forget that Sony owns the BluRay disc rights, and they can also manufacture them for much cheaper than Pioneer can.

I wish people would stop complaining so much.
 
Wasn't it said that the PS3 costs $575 a unit, and that they'd sell it for a loss at around $400? I think that's great news considering it'll jump start the Blu-Ray format, sure it'll kick Sony's ass financially with hardware but they can make it up in movie sales, especially with all the titles they've announced (when the general public decides to jump on the HDTV bandwagon)

[quote name='bmulligan']I heard they've already dropped dual hd support and built in routing hub.[/QUOTE]
I knew they dropped the routing hub, which would have been a neat addition, but dual HD support too? Not that I would have used it to its full potential, but it would be awesome to have two cheaper HDTV's next to each other, playing football with 8 players having a team on each TV.


[quote name='bmulligan']Sigh, with the already small HDTV userbase, demand for Blu-ray's 1080p source may be a trickle at best, meaning it will be a long while before the price comes down. The PS3 may be far, far in our future. I didn't even know they made TV's with 1080p yet, I don't think I've ever seen one in a big box store.[/QUOTE]
Me neither, I saw a 1080p HDTV on TigerDirect for around $2000, I was pretty surprised since they're supposed to be ridiculously expensive.
 
i honestly think its stupid for sony to release the PS3 using a blue ray drive at the launch of blue ray to the consumer market. all that room will just be used for cg movies. Sony could always wait to release a sepreate BR Drive that you can hook up to the PS3. Standard DVD-9 disc is more than enough...im new to PS2 (just got my first in Nov 2005) but how many multi disc ps2 games are out there?
 
If Sony indeed does come out with the PS3 at $500 or under it would sell like crazy.

Not only would gamers buy it, normal people who just want a blu-ray player would buy it too seeing as how much cheaper it is than the $1800 player in the link.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']i honestly think its stupid for sony to release the PS3 using a blue ray drive at the launch of blue ray to the consumer market. all that room will just be used for cg movies. Sony could always wait to release a sepreate BR Drive that you can hook up to the PS3. Standard DVD-9 disc is more than enough...im new to PS2 (just got my first in Nov 2005) but how many multi disc ps2 games are out there?[/QUOTE]

well each generation we have needed a bigger format, so why would this gen be different.

Games are going to be much more complex that PS2 games, so that comparison isn't really good. I don't think Blu-ray will be necessary, but DVD may hinder a few developers.

Also, including a blu-ray drive into the PS3 helps blu-ray get a huge advantage over HD-DVD.
 
The PS3 will sell like crazy because of the cheap blue ray player. If you all want one at launch you'd better be thinking of pre-ordering now. I already have 2 on pre-order at 2 Gamecrazy stores. Gamestop still wasn't doing pre-orders last time I called. Trust me when I say the PS3 WILL be below $500. I have seen a few 1080 Progressive TV around lately. I know Westinghouse makes a 37" and Sharp has a 45" Aquos. There have been others such as the Sony Grand Wega but the 1080 P is only a theoretical as the TV does not have the chip hardware to actually render such an image. I also read in Sound and Vision today that if you sit 9 feet away from your TV a 50" TV is the max size you would need. The human eye cannot tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at that distance and resolution. If you move up to a bigger size (say 56") or move closer to the TV then you can also see a difference. Some thoughts to keep in mind if you plan on getting a new TV this year.
 
im sure that the blue ray drive will get people to buy the PS3 just to play blue ray movies more than playing games..when they see the initial price of the first generation BR home players then look at the ps3 price, they will go for it. Unfortuntily we will see BR disc problems playing movie discs on the ps3 because its a cheaper drive. I honestly will wait for a second or third generation BR/HD player (pref a multi disc one) .. Something intresting will come up, how about those people like me who buy these multi disc tv show sets and then studios dump those same shows on single br/hd discs later on? do we get a discount/trade in towards the purchase of the br/hd disc?
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']im sure that the blue ray drive will get people to buy the PS3 just to play blue ray movies more than playing games[/quote]
Why are you so sure? DVD players were in the $150 range for an average player around the time the PS2 came out, which helps partially explain the pickup in dvd sales around that time. There's nothing to suggest that people will pickup bluray for videos; not as long as players are $1,800, and HDTV sets are in a notable minority of homes. You have to wait for HDTV to become commonplace before expecting bluray to sell. There's no reason to buy a bicycle if it doesn't have wheels.

when they see the initial price of the first generation BR home players then look at the ps3 price, they will go for it. Unfortuntily we will see BR disc problems playing movie discs on the ps3 because its a cheaper drive.
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From what source do you derive this information? What do you know about the quality of the drive? You can say "well, Sony uses cheap materials and..." but that isn't the question I'm asking. You know nothing about the PS3, so why make claims about it that you can't back up?

Something intresting will come up, how about those people like me who buy these multi disc tv show sets and then studios dump those same shows on single br/hd discs later on? do we get a discount/trade in towards the purchase of the br/hd disc?
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What, are you some kind of fuckin' idiot? Look, someone wants and expects a discount! :rofl:
 
Are you kidding me? DVD players are still in the $150 price range. DVD players back when PS2 came out were a hell of a lot more expensive. Why do you think DVDs became such a huge hit? (Aside from the porno industry..)
 
[quote name='AFStealth']Are you kidding me? DVD players are still in the $150 price range. DVD players back when PS2 came out were a hell of a lot more expensive. Why do you think DVDs became such a huge hit? (Aside from the porno industry..)[/QUOTE]

Actually a decent DVD player was only about $200 when PS2 launched. The reason I remember this is because I worked at Best Buy at the time and I rang up some guy who was buying a $200 Sony DVD player and a PS1 for $100. I told him he could get the same thing out of a PS2 for the same price but he said no. Still haven't figured out why but that's all beside the point.

Also, Myke already explained hwy DVDs became such a huge hit.
 
ok some of you are on crack. Just because manuf costs are signifigantly reduced by the fact that Sony has a heavy investment in blu ray does not mean they will get the drives for $10 a pop. Each drive produced for the PS3 will cost a signifigant amount. Even with a normal DVD drive the 360 already sells at a loss of 100+ per console.

And yeah like the guy said before, no OFFICIAL pricing announcements have been made. Welcome to how rumors as fact start I guess eh?

Either way not good news for Sony, esp when the company as a whole has been hemorraging so much money. Either way Sony will take a major hit on each console sold, delay the console, or sell it for a pemimum. Like I said either way it's all good news for MS
 
dude you really need to freaken take your chill pill instead of being the all knowing sony ps3 fan boy. you wanna hear something funny? guess whos going to determin the real outcome of the new format war? THE PORN INDUSTRY...source? thedigitalbits.com
dont believe me, look it up.


[quote name='mykevermin']Why are you so sure? DVD players were in the $150 range for an average player around the time the PS2 came out, which helps partially explain the pickup in dvd sales around that time. There's nothing to suggest that people will pickup bluray for videos; not as long as players are $1,800, and HDTV sets are in a notable minority of homes. You have to wait for HDTV to become commonplace before expecting bluray to sell. There's no reason to buy a bicycle if it doesn't have wheels.


From what source do you derive this information? What do you know about the quality of the drive? You can say "well, Sony uses cheap materials and..." but that isn't the question I'm asking. You know nothing about the PS3, so why make claims about it that you can't back up?


What, are you some kind of fuckin' idiot? Look, someone wants and expects a discount! :rofl:[/QUOTE]
 
dude at gamecrazy said they are putting in a VEry cheap blue ray playe in the PS3.. and it will come out around 500 bucks


if they make a RPG to come out the day PS3 hits.. I would pay 500 in a second
 
[quote name='slidecage']dude at gamecrazy said they are putting in a VEry cheap blue ray playe in the PS3.. and it will come out around 500 bucks


if they make a RPG to come out the day PS3 hits.. I would pay 500 in a second[/QUOTE]

a FF launch Title would DEFENTLY cause people to buy the system...you know how many followers there are on that series right?

me, it who ever makes the next good castlevania or resident evil game that will drive me to buy that system, but not til a under 200 dollar price drop :p
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']dude you really need to freaken take your chill pill instead of being the all knowing sony ps3 fan boy. you wanna hear something funny? guess whos going to determin the real outcome of the new format war? THE PORN INDUSTRY...source? thedigitalbits.com
dont believe me, look it up.[/QUOTE]
Sure thing, kiddo. I don't believe that I forced you to sound like a dipshit in your first point; I merely pointed it out. It's not my fault you're a twit.

Also, for the record, if I must be labeled a fanboy, I vastly prefer Xbox to my PS2, and my DS to my PSP. I have a dollar for you if you can get through another post without being dead wrong about something.
 
[quote name='slidecage']dude at gamecrazy said they are putting in a VEry cheap blue ray playe in the PS3.. and it will come out around 500 bucks


if they make a RPG to come out the day PS3 hits.. I would pay 500 in a second[/QUOTE]

OMH!! A GUY AT TEH GAMECRAZY????? IT MUST BE TR00!!1!!!!

YOu're on my fucking ignore list now, dumbass.
 
Isn't Sony already taking hits left and right from every department now? They were known to be losing money in their home audio/video department and entertainment (movies, music) departments as well but the video games department posted profits up until the PSP (due to costs developing it and launching it).

So, can they really afford to take a really big hit by Spring? I know the cell processor isn't cheap (it will be the most advanced consumer processor at the moment I believe) and that Nvidia GPU can't be cheap. They're losing money and have some big debts as well...

Of course, people overestimated the price of the PS2 and PSP... but that was then, it's a different story now.
 
[quote name='Vinny']people overestimated the price of the PS2 and PSP... but that was then, it's a different story now.[/QUOTE]
The hell planet were you on before March 2005? People estimated that the PSP would be over $250? No way; most assumed it would have a pricepoint to be directly competing with the DS, around $150. We were all *very* wrong.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The hell planet were you on before March 2005? People estimated that the PSP would be over $250? No way; most assumed it would have a pricepoint to be directly competing with the DS, around $150. We were all *very* wrong.[/QUOTE]

I don't have any proof, but I remember hearing overestimates on PSPs price point. Just because of the technology it used. I'm talking about analysts predictions. Same thing with PS2.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I'm talking about analysts predictions. Same thing with PS2.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's different from what gamers were debating over the pricepoint; I'm not sure that's what Vinny meant, however. Chances are you were correct about analysts.
 
[quote name='dpatel']I don't have any proof, but I remember hearing overestimates on PSPs price point. Just because of the technology it used. I'm talking about analysts predictions. Same thing with PS2.[/QUOTE]

People were thinking over $250 because of the estimated manufacturing cost. The question was, how much of a loss are they willing to accept. Were they even going to sell it at a loss at all? The surprisingly lower cost of $250 was BECAUSE of the degree of loss that they were willing to accept.

People certainly were predicting very high prices for the PSP.
 
I'm starting to think Nintendo's the only sane company left. What happening to buying a gaming system just to enjoy some games on? All this stuff is getting out of hand, and ridiculously expensive. I wonder how long it will be before the majority of consumers get that sour taste in the mouths by having all the expensive new technology pushed on them, in my opinion, three years sooner than necessary.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Well, that's different from what gamers were debating over the pricepoint; I'm not sure that's what Vinny meant, however. Chances are you were correct about analysts.[/QUOTE]

oh ok. I guess we are both right then. From a business standpoint, people expected a low price, but from an analysts standpoint, they expected a higher cost.

anyway, back on topic. The manufacturing costs of a console usually don't mean too much. They will have some effect on the price, but it all comes down to what consumers are willing to pay. I have no idea how much PS3 will cost to make, but I can't forsee it being more than $500. If it is more than that, I highly doubt people would buy it.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The hell planet were you on before March 2005? People estimated that the PSP would be over $250? No way; most assumed it would have a pricepoint to be directly competing with the DS, around $150. We were all *very* wrong.[/QUOTE]

Uh... I should be asking you that question. I've never seen a single media source say that PSP will compete with the DS. And when Sony announced the $200 Japanese price point, it was a complete shock. It was expected to be at least $300, possibly more.
 
See my later posts and dpatel's posts; it appears that we were discussing analysts/media expectations and gamers' expectations, which were very different. Mere miscommunication, that's all.
 
Playstation division is still what's keeping Sony mostly afloat, just like how the GBA (and apparently now DS) is keeping Nintendo Afloat. Like I said earlier it's all speculation, Sony really hasn't revealed enough info about the PS3 to make any absolute judgement on the quality of the console. But all signs point to certain outcomes in terms of finances.
 
Honestly, if PS3 is $500 and comes out in summer at the same time as the $200 Revolution and a likely maybe $50 price drop for the 360, the PS3 will fail. No one will pay that, mark my words.
 
[quote name='I AM WILLIAM H. MACY']Honestly, if PS3 is $500 and comes out in summer at the same time as the $200 Revolution and a likely maybe $50 price drop for the 360, the PS3 will fail. No one will pay that, mark my words.[/QUOTE]

10 bucks say all those FF fanboys will buy it IF the next FF is a launch title. Sony and Square know this. Best for us to wait for price drops and for them to work out the kinks of the first generation batches of both the PS3 and Blue Ray drives. Remember we are cheapassgamers here..im not gonna pay full price for anything :p
 
[quote name='Chris in Cali']I'm starting to think Nintendo's the only sane company left. What happening to buying a gaming system just to enjoy some games on? All this stuff is getting out of hand, and ridiculously expensive. I wonder how long it will be before the majority of consumers get that sour taste in the mouths by having all the expensive new technology pushed on them, in my opinion, three years sooner than necessary.[/QUOTE]
Which is exactly why Nintendo's goal is to be their own thing now, not considering themselves a direct competitor of Sony and MS. It just may prove to be the right strategy.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']10 bucks say all those FF fanboys will buy it IF the next FF is a launch title. Sony and Square know this. Best for us to wait for price drops and for them to work out the kinks of the first generation batches of both the PS3 and Blue Ray drives. Remember we are cheapassgamers here..im not gonna pay full price for anything :p[/QUOTE]
Just so you know, I'm not picking on you personally; it just happens that you're saying a great deal of idiotic things. No Final Fantasy will be a launch title for the PS3; FFXII is well in development for Japan and the United States. It will release in March and "Fall" of 2006, respectively. FFXIII isn't even on the radar yet, and if begun today, wouldn't be ready until mid-2007 in a best case scenario (and that best case scenario includes Japan only, and doesn't take into account translation and localization woes).

You might as well claim Halo 3 is going to be a PS3 launch title, because it's just as bloody likely.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You might as well claim Halo 3 is going to be a PS3 launch title, because it's just as bloody likely.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's supposed to come out the same day, but I don't think that qualifies it as a PS3 launch title.

I don't particularly want to see one company win out over the other (actually I'd like to see them go 50/50 and slug it out for the next 10 years). But I'd like to see Halo 3 come out the day of the PS3 launch, just to see what would happen. Heads would explode in retail.
 
[quote name='I AM WILLIAM H. MACY']Honestly, if PS3 is $500 and comes out in summer at the same time as the $200 Revolution and a likely maybe $50 price drop for the 360, the PS3 will fail. No one will pay that, mark my words.[/QUOTE]

exactly. people won't care if it has a blu-ray player which retails for $1000 more. I know I probably won't get one, at least not until it hits $300. I'm pretty sure Sony knows this. I think they will need a price tag at or lower than $400.

The only reason I am getting one right now is because of MGS and possibly ZOE. If PS3 releases at $500 and sells poorly, I could forsee those games being ported to the 360 to increase sales.
 
I will buy the ps3 at launch just like i did the playstation, the dreamcast, the ps2, the psp, the x box, and the 360, i will buy a cheap game off my friend but the ps3 will be no different. Most people I know would be willing to pay up to 700 for a ps3. Me on the other hand will go as high as $600.
 
Wow lots of arguing in this thread.

So, the first blu-ray player by Pioneer is priced at $1800.

That means nothing in my mind to the cost of a blu-ray drive for the PS3.

Right now, you can buy more expensive vanilla DVD players from Pioneer, Denon, and others.

Saying this can't be good for the PS3 is a little far fetched. This is probably going to be a Pioneer Elite model. The current Pioneer Elite DVD players have an MSRP of $1,000 and $1,200. The current top of the line Denon players have MSRP of $3,500 and $1,500. I can still buy a Playstation 2 for $149.99 and a $19.99 DVD player at Wal-Mart. They do the same thing as those more expensive players: play DVD discs.
 
Regardless of how much it's going to cost, people will still buy it. If this goes beyond $500, just look at the 360's sold. Granted not everyone can afford it for that much, but it will sell. It's past has shown how much people like/love the previous systems.
 
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