[quote name='pete5883']How do you propose Sony force 3rd parties to go back and patch old games?[/QUOTE]The problem is, Sony cannot technically force third parties developers to patch old games with trophies, because they are already out (and approved by Sony). And like I said, many developers (except a few these days) aren't too kind about continuing to support games unless they are making money or they basically aren't doing anything (most developers have moved onto new projects). Sony isn't going to tell developers you cannot support PS3 if you don't do it, because they need the third party support. I also feel what may hurt some games getting patched (especially from third parties) is that in order to release a patch, they MUST get it approved and certified to release in 2-3 regions separately (that's just how PSN works, and Sony has NO plans of every going global for reasons (I don't have the link on me for the reason)). And for some developers, going through the ENTIRE game takes takes. Testing the ENTIRE game again takes time. Getting 2-3 approvals takes time. If it was ready for retail (trophies), then it's not much of a problem.
As for DMC4, I'm not sure if I'm right here, DMC4 MIGHT not have been setup to work with patches. Some may think I'm lying, but I remember several older PS3 games and some more recent single player games cannot easily be patched (due to a developer not leaving in hooks or whatever to allow for patching). Part of the reason I know this is because the entire reason VF5 did not get online patched (or even some later Arcade stuff patched) was because the game wasn't setup for them (the game wasn't even setup to look for an online connection). DMC4 might have the setup, but I know for sure some PS3 games didn't. PSN games, even if they were not setup for patches, can be because they'll have you re-download the entire PSN game again (which is updated, like Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD, Toy Home, etc.) to implement features.
And what Eric Lempel said was:
We are working with developers to ensure that Trophies are supported across the board in the future.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/06/30/firmware-v240-faq/
The REASON trophies are NOT mandatory right now is:
-Developers have ONLY had them in development kits since ONE month ago. When did the announcement about trophies being in development kits come?? Back in late May/Early June. There is NO way developers can get the implemented (into games that had nothing previously set) and get it fully tested in one month.
-Only SOME developers know how to utilize them (even if you give developers a set of instructions, that still doesn't technically show them how to use them, and there are developers who only speak particular languages).
-Sony (like Eric Lempel has said) is STILL in the process of going door to door to EVERYONE developer teaching them how to utilize trophies in-games. Some developers they've already taught, some still yet have to be taught. Sony has to teach developers because there might be some "imbalance" because a developer thought he could put all gold trophies (and maybe didn't include a platinum trophy in retail).
Will trophies be standard?? Most likely yes, but not until later in the year (helping hundreds of developers isn't exactly a day and night thing). Sony recently made rumble standard (once all developers got it in their development kits) which is why many newer games are starting to support it?
When will be see more games support trophies??? Most likely September, because games which are coming out in July/August (or most) have already finished production (or nearing) and are entering the testing phase. Unless a developer added their OWN achievement system in a way, a developer would have to go through the entire game again to make trophies work.
The problem is that PS3 fans demanded there be some achievement system, so they got it. Just by looking at Game Trailers, PS3 Forums, etc., I got sick of seeing a thread everyday about it for a while. I don't really care personally (I was happy being able to download game saves).
[quote name='Ugamer_X']*Wonders how long TMK is going to blame third party companies and their fancy profit margins before he admits that Sony half-assed the trophy system.*
Also, is there something special you have to do to unlock trophies in SSHD? I beat the first planet the other night in arcade mode and I did not get anything.[/QUOTE]
I rather level up then gain meaningless points. And not it's actually a pretty good idea, just came a bit late.
Did you update to 4.00? The 4.00 update for SSD HD was removed along with 2.4 update. Anyway, you haven't even got a trophy to see how cool it is.
[quote name='StrandedBrit']
If Sony doesn't want to help with the old stuff that is one thing, but if stuff like Ghostbusters and Fallout 3 lack trophies then they will officially suck in my book.[/QUOTE]I think there's a chance they'll get trophies due to being October releases (and their games aren't complete).
But seriously to everyone,
would have rather have trophies implemented, even if a little late, or would you rather Sony say screw you, we are never implementing them?
This is somewhat like third party demos on the PS Store. There were no third party demos until late Feb./Early March of 2007. There wasn't a decent number of third party demos until August. The reason was Sony was working with developers to bring demos to the PS Store. Same thing about trophies, they are working with developers on implementing them. They'll come to more games, and will pretty much be standard by December/2009 (since all games coming out by then still have a ways to go in development, so it's not like it would be a pain to implement them).
PJM will most likely have support, like the developers said, but will not come until they finish Eden.
EDIT: When reading the PS3 Fanboy article, it says:
There is a tiny bit of good news though, Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix may have trophies implemented, but it will depend on "what schedules look like and what Sony's requirements are." The only real good news is future games from Capcom will all have trophies, as it has "been worked into CEI's developer contracts as a required deliverable." Have other publishers signed such a contract?
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/07/05/capcom-no-trophy-support-for-devil-may-cry-4/
Adding trophies to games almost about to be released is similar to if you were almost finished with cooking dinner, and a friend asks you if you want to go out to eat for dinner. Although going out to eat for dinner will be nice, you really can't do it since you already started cooking and it's almost done. If you knew about going out to eat before you started cooking, most likely you would go out to eat. If trophies were in the development kits around the time development started, it's pretty much a guarantee they'd have trophies. Also, I do see many multi-platform games getting trophies because most devs WANT to make their game as similar to the 360 version as possible, since in no way do multi-platform games want sales to be heavily skewed in one way (they want all versions to do well). Devs have to implement achievements in 360 games, so most likely they'll implement them in the PS3 version in a similar way.
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out of me because it makes it seem like the trophies are stuck to the new level DLC, either that you'll need to buy it to get the trophy update or that it's not coming out until then.
