PSN has returned. What freebie games are you getting?

[quote name='Oaxan']fucking fuck on fuck. -_-
http://kotaku.com/#!5797552/sony-admits-10-million-credit-card-accounts-may-have-been-compromised[/QUOTE]

Ah, good ole' Kotaku...not letting facts get in the way of a post that'll generate them thousands of hits (and, in return, profit).

The conference he referenced happen 24 hours ago, which hardly makes this news now, and the details they talked about with regards to potential credit card leak wasn't news then. It's all stuff Sony has said before.

All Sony has said is that they have no evidence to suggest that Hackers got access to Credit Card info, and even if they did the Credit Card info is encrypted. However, they admit that they have no evidence that they didn't get that info either which is why they cannot rule it out completely. Just that the likelihood that information leaked is significantly lower.
 
I mother fucking hate Kotaku! Shit redesigns, misleading as fuck article titles, skewed as fucked views on topics and seemingly biased outlooks on shit that just makes the whole fucking site look like an elaborate troll.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']Ah, good ole' Kotaku...not letting facts get in the way of a post that'll generate them thousands of hits (and, in return, profit).

The conference he referenced happen 24 hours ago, which hardly makes this news now, and the details they talked about with regards to potential credit card leak wasn't news then. It's all stuff Sony has said before.

All Sony has said is that they have no evidence to suggest that Hackers got access to Credit Card info, and even if they did the Credit Card info is encrypted. However, they admit that they have no evidence that they didn't get that info either which is why they cannot rule it out completely. Just that the likelihood that information leaked is significantly lower.[/QUOTE]

This guy doesn't even know what he's talking about. Yes, you can brute force the 3-digit CCV but you'll most likely get locked out before you 'guess' it right.
 
lawl.
Sorry, I didn't bother to check the Author. :bomb:
Maybe we'll get some sort of confirmation about the CC pandemic from the PSBlog after PSN comes back online.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']PS Home: Where the boy's are girls, and the girls are FBI agents.[/QUOTE]

Actually, I believe the saying it "Where boys are boys, girls are boys, and kids are the FBI" :p
 
[quote name='Oaxan']lawl.
Sorry, I didn't bother to check the Author. :bomb:
Maybe we'll get some sort of confirmation about the CC pandemic from the PSBlog after PSN comes back online.[/QUOTE]

My respones wasn't what you posted, but who wrote what you posted. These fucking bloggers/journalist hybrid monsters need to be put on a blacklist for dipshits you'll never hire to write for you.

I've seen job postings on Monster with employers asking for people to write for them. "we don't care what you write about, we just need content, no experience needed". That's pretty much Kotaku.
 
I hope that the PSN is back up today, or tomorrow by the latest. I'm like a crackhead that needs a fix. BAD.
 
I have to say between the tweets during the conference and the 3rd grade picture diagrams listing how the hacker/hackers used basic packet injection makes the whole non updated server rumor carry more water.

Just another example how people should really watch those 0day hacks
 
Again, online game functionality should be back tomorrow at some point after you download new update, accept new agreement to relinquish Sony of any liability, make new password, etc. The PS Store will still be down though.
 
[quote name='AdmrlBalls']Again, online game functionality should be back tomorrow at some point after you download new update, accept new agreement to relinquish Sony of any liability, make new password, etc. The PS Store will still be down though.[/QUOTE]hmm sounds fishy
 
Gah, all I care about is the ability to sync my trophies and download games from the PSN store.

I'm glad I'll get a free month of PSN+ though. The service really is worth the $50 if you download games at all.

However, with amazon making it so easy to put money in my wallet, I doubt I'll be putting a credit card on their servers again.
 
[quote name='AdmrlBalls']Again, online game functionality should be back tomorrow at some point after you download new update, accept new agreement to relinquish Sony of any liability, make new password, etc. The PS Store will still be down though.[/QUOTE]
Do we really need to reset the passwords? It's a pain since I got two PS3s and a number of accounts.
 
PSN+ for a month? No thanks. If Sony truly wanted to compensate us, it would have been a voucher for a free first-party title of our choice. I was fully expecting this though as they're only as sorry as it doesn't impact their wallet further. A free month of PSN+ could only be a positive for them, as they lose nothing on people like me who won't use it and may turn to sales for people who end up subbing.

Know how Sony can compensate me? Share the knowledge of their failure with other companies to ensure this doesn't happen again elsewhere.
 
[quote name='Jodou']PSN+ for a month? No thanks. If Sony truly wanted to compensate us, it would have been a voucher for a free first-party title of our choice. I was fully expecting this though as they're only as sorry as it doesn't impact their wallet further. A free month of PSN+ could only be a positive for them, as they lose nothing on people like me who won't use it and may turn to sales for people who end up subbing.

Know how Sony can compensate me? Share the knowledge of their failure with other companies to ensure this doesn't happen again elsewhere.[/QUOTE]
:applause: I agree, but it'll never happen since the mantra of big corporations when they screw up royally is 'deny, deny, deny'.

It would be nice to get a full retail title and not some downloadable crap, but as long as they make exceptions for this instance and the download stuff doesn't expire once PSN+ does and/or they give out some other downloadable title(s) that have no 'must be online to use' or other restrictions then I'm fine with it.

Personally, I didn't expect to get ANYTHING from Sony outta this, so it IS a nice lil concession on their part. But a waste if it's only the PSN+ and all the shit expires in a month.:roll:
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']:applause: I agree, but it'll never happen since the mantra of big corporations when they screw up royally is 'deny, deny, deny'.

It would be nice to get a full retail title and not some downloadable crap, but as long as they make exceptions for this instance and the download stuff doesn't expire once PSN+ does and/or they give out some other downloadable title(s) that have no 'must be online to use' or other restrictions then I'm fine with it.

Personally, I didn't expect to get ANYTHING from Sony outta this, so it IS a nice lil concession on their part. But a waste if it's only the PSN+ and all the shit expires in a month.:roll:[/QUOTE]
Only the free stuff expire if your PSN+ subscription expires. The discounted games you purchase under PSN+ subscription don't expire. For example, Stacking was free for PSN+ members, if the subscription expires, then Stacking will no longer work. However, if Stacking was $2.99 introductory price for PSN+ members, you get to keep it even if your subscription is up.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']Only the free stuff expire if your PSN+ subscription expires. The discounted games you purchase under PSN+ subscription don't expire. For example, Stacking was free for PSN+ members, if the subscription expires, then Stacking will no longer work. However, if Stacking was $2.99 introductory price for PSN+ members, you get to keep it even if your subscription is up.[/QUOTE]

I'm going annual PS+ after the subscription runs out. So AWESOME!
 
[quote name='Jodou']PSN+ for a month? No thanks. If Sony truly wanted to compensate us, it would have been a voucher for a free first-party title of our choice. I was fully expecting this though as they're only as sorry as it doesn't impact their wallet further. A free month of PSN+ could only be a positive for them, as they lose nothing on people like me who won't use it and may turn to sales for people who end up subbing.

Know how Sony can compensate me? Share the knowledge of their failure with other companies to ensure this doesn't happen again elsewhere.[/QUOTE]

Didn't they cover that? That they're Cali location was specifically attacked and they had graphs and pics of what all happened? If you want specifics, that will never happen. It just seems dangerous to put too much out there. Well more dangerous.

As many have said no matter what at some point this will happen any where and everywhere, that's just how it is.

I'm cool with PSN+ as Ive been wanting to try out some features for a while. Might likely sub once the month is over. I'll use PSN cards to add that funds for it.

I was upset day one. I am still annoyed that they took so long to say anything, but it took me 10 minutes tops to get a new bank card that came a day later. My PW was already changed elsewhere. Sooooo. fuck it.
 
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/05/02/playstation-network-security-update/
On Tuesday, April 26 we shared that some information that was compromised in connection with an illegal and unauthorized intrusion into our network. Once again, we’d like to apologize to the many users who were inconvenienced and worried abut this situation.

We want to state this again given the increase in speculation about credit card information being used fraudulently. One report indicated that a group tried to sell millions of credit card numbers back to Sony. To my knowledge there is no truth to this report of a list, or that Sony was offered an opportunity to purchase the list.

One other point to clarify is from this weekend’s press conference. While the passwords that were stored were not “encrypted,” they were transformed using a cryptographic hash function. There is a difference between these two types of security measures which is why we said the passwords had not been encrypted. But I want to be very clear that the passwords were not stored in our database in cleartext form. For a description of the difference between encryption and hashing, follow this link.

To reiterate a few other security measures for your information: Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number, social security number or other personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your PlayStation Network or Qriocity user name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well. To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and to monitor your credit reports.

We continue to work with law enforcement and forensic experts to identify the criminals behind the attack. Once again, we apologize for causing users concern over this matter.

Our objective is to increase security so our customers can safely and confidently play games and use our network and media services. We will continue to provide updates as we have them.
 
So for nearly a week they didn't think to mention that passwords weren't stored as just plaintext as what everything they have said up to now has implied?
 
[quote name='guardian_owl']So for nearly a week they didn't think to mention that passwords weren't stored as just plaintext as what everything they have said up to now has implied?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if Sony is intentionally pissing us off or if they truly are incompetent.
 
[quote name='Jodou']I'm not sure if Sony is intentionally pissing us off or if they truly are incompetent.[/QUOTE]

Yes.
 
Does it really matter much? Even if they weren't in plaintext, they still weren't encrypted and it's probably not impossible for people to have cracked them.
 
[quote name='ssjmichael']Does it really matter much? Even if they weren't in plaintext, they still weren't encrypted and it's probably not impossible for people to have cracked them.[/QUOTE]
Good point, that's what I was going to say. Most of the passwords are now store in non-plain text, it's a given. As to how easily they're cracked to be displayed as plaint text, that's a different story.

At this point, calling Sony incompetent is also a given. Regardless how careful or thorough Sony handling the PSN episode, it's going to be labeled as incompetent by somebody.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']Good point, that's what I was going to say. Most of the passwords are now store in non-plain text, it's a given. As to how easily they're cracked to be displayed as plaint text, that's a different story.[/QUOTE]

Maybe, it depends on the strength of the password and the encryption. Shadow passwords on Linux can be "fun" to crack/guess at if the length is decent and complex. Choose a crappy password and expect it can be easily cracked or hashed.

With that said, they've had the stuff for almost 2 weeks. So, for anyone complaining about having to change their password, how safe do you feel your password is now?

Requiring a password change on all accounts is the right course of action. Anything less than that would be a detriment to account security.
 
[quote name='jmbreci']Maybe, it depends on the strength of the password and the encryption. Shadow passwords on Linux can be "fun" to crack/guess at if the length is decent and complex. Choose a crappy password and expect it can be easily cracked or hashed.

With that said, they've had the stuff for almost 2 weeks. So, for anyone complaining about having to change their password, how safe do you feel your password is now?

Requiring a password change on all accounts is the right course of action. Anything less than that would be a detriment to account security.[/QUOTE]

I guess it depends? My PSN account data is mixed (half true and half made up). There's no CC info and the account is already attached to FIVE PS3s. So, there's nothing to steal except spamming the e-mail address. If I can avoid the password change, I would (no, I don't use the same password for everything, lol).
 
Personally, I feel a bit better now. I changed my password on some places where I know it was the same. But if they used SHA-1 or even MD5 to one-way hash the passwords, it will be much much harder for whoever stole the data to get the actual passwords. CC fraud isn't as scary as thinking someone has my password for various sites (I used a different one for financial stuff and email) since it's easily combatted.
 
unless sony changes their new password system then its still an issue. one of the ways you can change your password is by entering your date of birth and then they send you a link to your email address where you change your password. if your psn password was the same as your email password your account could easily be taken over.
 
[quote name='lokizz']unless sony changes their new password system then its still an issue. one of the ways you can change your password is by entering your date of birth and then they send you a link to your email address where you change your password. if your psn password was the same as your email password your account could easily be taken over.[/QUOTE]

If your email password is the same as your PSN password, then you're not doing everything you can to protect yourself. Seems kind of hypocritical to be mad at Sony for not doing everything they can to protect users if the users are creating their own massive security holes.

All accounts a person has should have their own unique password...email especially.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']All accounts a person has should have their own unique password...email especially.[/QUOTE]
How do you keep track of them all? Or do you use a password manager that then provides access to everything if you can get that one password? Or do you write them down somewhere? I'm curious what other people do. It's not easy to keep track of 10+ different passwords.
 
[quote name='Salamando3000']If your email password is the same as your PSN password, then you're not doing everything you can to protect yourself. Seems kind of hypocritical to be mad at Sony for not doing everything they can to protect users if the users are creating their own massive security holes.

All accounts a person has should have their own unique password...email especially.[/QUOTE]


and i agree with you thats why i personally have a diff password for every important account. but there are alot of people who are that stupid/lazy and have 1 or 2 passwords they use for damn near everything. for them thats still an issue.
 
I`ve heard that the PSN will be back up tomorrow and I also heard May 4th... Anyone know if any of these are true?
 
[quote name='MoPlaYa']I`ve heard that the PSN will be back up tomorrow and I also heard May 4th... Anyone know if any of these are true?[/QUOTE]

Sony just said within the week so either one could wind up being true.
 
[quote name='MoPlaYa']I`ve heard that the PSN will be back up tomorrow and I also heard May 4th... Anyone know if any of these are true?[/QUOTE]
There's no specific date that's been announced, so they're fake. They've only said that it'll be up sometime this week.
 
[quote name='dgwillia006']I heard that was a rumor, Japanese PSN accounts cant log in, and my friend in Japan cant log in either.

Either way, i doubt PSN is coming up tommorow. Especially now that SOE got hacked and lost 12,000+ Credit Card numbers
 
#-o
Report: Sony hit with second attack, loses 12,700 credit card numbers
Following up on this morning's news that Sony Online Entertainment servers were offline across the board, Japanese newspaper Nikkei reports (via BGR) that the company has lost 12,700 customer credit card numbers as the result of an attack. The company apparently took SOE servers offline after learning of the attack last evening, but has yet to issue a statement confirming that customer information has been lost.

Of the 12,700 total, 4,300 are alleged to be from Japan, while the remainder's origins are unknown. The report also notes that the data stolen was from 2007, which Engadget posits could mean this was simply stolen data from an old backup.

The report doesn't mention whether last night's supposed breach is connected to the recent incidents involving Sony's PlayStation Network and Qriocity services, though an SOE representative told Joystiq that official comment would be coming from the company "within the hour."
http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/02/sony-hit-with-second-attack-loses-12-700-credit-card-nu/
 
http://www.soe.com/securityupdate/

It's not a second attack.
Dear Valued Sony Online Entertainment Customer:

Our ongoing investigation of illegal intrusions into Sony Online Entertainment systems has discovered that hackers may have obtained personal customer information from SOE systems. We are today advising you that the personal information you provided us in connection with your SOE account may have been stolen in a cyber-attack. Stolen information includes, to the extent you provided it to us, the following: name, address (city, state, zip, country), email address, gender, birthdate, phone number, login name and hashed password.

Customers outside the United States should be advised that we further discovered evidence that information from an outdated database from 2007 containing approximately 12,700 non-US customer credit or debit card numbers and expiration dates (but not credit card security codes) and about 10,700 direct debit records listing bank account numbers of certain customers in Germany, Austria, Netherlands and Spain may have also been obtained. We will be notifying each of those customers promptly.

There is no evidence that our main credit card database was compromised. It is in a completely separate and secured environment.

We had previously believed that SOE customer data had not been obtained in the cyber-attacks on the company, but on May 1st we concluded that SOE account information may have been stolen and we are notifying you as soon as possible.

We apologize for the inconvenience caused by the attack and as a result, we have:
1) Temporarily turned off all SOE game services;
2) Engaged an outside, recognized security firm to conduct a full and complete investigation into what happened; and
3) Quickly taken steps to enhance security and strengthen our network infrastructure to provide you with greater protection of your personal information.

We greatly appreciate your patience, understanding and goodwill as we do whatever it takes to resolve these issues as quickly and efficiently as practicable.

For your security, we encourage you to be especially aware of email, telephone, and postal mail scams that ask for personal or sensitive information. Sony will not contact you in any way, including by email, asking for your credit card number, social security number or other personally identifiable information. If you are asked for this information, you can be confident Sony is not the entity asking. When SOE's services are fully restored, we strongly recommend that you log on and change your password. Additionally, if you use your Station or SOE game account name or password for other unrelated services or accounts, we strongly recommend that you change them, as well.

To protect against possible identity theft or other financial loss, we encourage you to remain vigilant, to review your account statements and to monitor your credit reports. We are providing the following information for those who wish to consider it:

U.S. residents are entitled under U.S. law to one free credit report annually from each of the three major credit bureaus. To order your free credit report, visit www.annualcreditreport.com or call toll-free (877) 322-8228.

We have also provided names and contact information for the three major U.S. credit bureaus below. At no charge, U.S. residents can have these credit bureaus place a "fraud alert" on your file that alerts creditors to take additional steps to verify your identity prior to granting credit in your name. This service can make it more difficult for someone to get credit in your name. Note, however, that because it tells creditors to follow certain procedures to protect you, it also may delay your ability to obtain credit while the agency verifies your identity. As soon as one credit bureau confirms your fraud alert, the others are notified to place fraud alerts on your file. Should you wish to place a fraud alert, or should you have any questions regarding your credit report, please contact any one of the agencies listed below.

Experian: 888-397-3742; www.experian.com; P.O. Box 9532, Allen, TX 75013
Equifax: 800-525-6285; www.equifax.com; P.O. Box 740241, Atlanta, GA 30374-0241
TransUnion: 800-680-7289; www.transunion.com; Fraud Victim Assistance Division, P.O. Box 6790, Fullerton, CA 92834-6790

You may wish to visit the web site of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission at www.consumer.gov/idtheft or reach the FTC at 1-877-382-4357 or 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, Washington, DC 20580 for further information about how to protect yourself from identity theft. Your state Attorney General may also have advice on preventing identity theft, and you should report instances of known or suspected identity theft to law enforcement, your State Attorney General, and the FTC. For North Carolina residents, the Attorney General can be contacted at 9001 Mail Service Center, Raleigh, NC 27699-9001; telephone (877) 566-7226; or www.ncdoj.gov. For Maryland residents, the Attorney General can be contacted at 200 St. Paul Place, 16th Floor, Baltimore, MD 21202; telephone: (888) 743-0023; or www.oag.state.md.us.

We are committed to helping our customers protect their personal data and we will provide a complimentary offering to assist users in enrolling in identity theft protection services and/or similar programs. The implementation will be at a local level and further details will be made available shortly in regions in which such programs are commonly utilized.

We thank you for your patience as we complete our investigation of this incident, and we regret any inconvenience. Our teams are working around the clock on this, and services will be restored as soon as possible. Sony takes information protection very seriously and will continue to work to ensure that additional measures are taken to protect personally identifiable information. Providing quality and secure entertainment services to our customers is our utmost priority. Please contact us at 1 (866) 436-6698 should you have any additional questions.

Sincerely,
Sony Online Entertainment LLC
and
As previously announced, we have been conducting an ongoing, thorough investigation stemming from the cyber attack in April and promised to notify you should there be any changes to the situation.

We issued a press release today outlining these details. We will promptly send a customer service notification via email to all of our impacted account holders whose customer data may have been stolen as a result of an illegal intrusion on our systems. This information was discovered less than 24 hours ago and in response, we took down our services until we could verify their security.

SOE is committed to delivering secure, stable and entertaining games for players of all ages and we're working around the clock to ensure this situation is resolved as quickly as possible. We deeply regret the inconvenience this has caused and appreciate your continued patience and feedback.

Sincerely,
Sony Online Entertainment
 
Its still a security issue with Sony, even though SOE is separate from PSN it still concerns me whether Sony (or any other corporation) keeps their customers information secure or not.
 
Well, it seems PSN Japan is indeed back up from all the twitter buzz. However, non-Japan residents with Japanese accounts can't access their server without a security update 1st. Let's hope the rest of the world will be back up tomorrow at the latest.
 
[quote name='inanim8']Well, it seems PSN Japan is indeed back up from all the twitter buzz. However, non-Japan residents with Japanese accounts can't access their server without a security update 1st. Let's hope the rest of the world will be back up tomorrow at the latest.[/QUOTE]

damn well its good to know its up just wish i could get on with my jap account.
 
[quote name='Serpentor']I guess it depends? My PSN account data is mixed (half true and half made up). There's no CC info and the account is already attached to FIVE PS3s. So, there's nothing to steal except spamming the e-mail address. If I can avoid the password change, I would (no, I don't use the same password for everything, lol).[/QUOTE]

So fuck the whole and cater to the one is what I am seeing there. Take your head out of the box and think big picture and not solely about yourself for a moment. Signing into 5 ps3s will take you what, and extra 5 minutes? Requiring everyone to change their password is the appropriate move.

Seriously, there were probably a minimum of 10k accouts with password as their password. If you have the account names, I would simply run through that and 12345 (or whatever it was that the min password length was).

Not trying to pick on you, but even suggesting that password change is not required/necessary is either short sighted or plain ignorant.
 
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