Psn

I have friends and it's not a big deal. I can count on one hand how many times I've used it on 360.

You can say 360 has a more stable and faster connection but that doesn't mean it's true. Live has problems just like PSN does. Honestly I can't think of the last time I've experienced a problem with either...must just be the games I play, but I do know both have problems now and then.

And PSN doesn't go down every month.
 
[quote name='Starvin']That's not correct at all. I remember Socom was my first PS2 online game and it came with a headset for chat and it was before XBOX. I also remember it being really fun and working well. I still have my original Socom headset and it works with PS3 and can be used as an extra mic in rockband or whatever.[/QUOTE]

My bad, TWO games. Hardly and online experience. Dreamcast had better online then the PS2, by a long shot.

[quote name='LordVila']http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_network_games[/QUOTE]

98% of that list is shit. And NO ONE PLAYED THOSE GAMES ONLINE! You had to by a seperate broadband adapter. WHICH NO ONE BOUGHT but for FFXI and Socom.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']Final Fantasy 11 doesn't count. Considering it was the only online game they had. And it sucked. BALLZZZZ!!![/QUOTE]

Not quite. Someone mentioned Socom and I have TM:Black Online which was ok but not heavily populated at the time. Also I was part of another beta or two, SLAI and 25 to Life. Wasn't there an Everquest too? *Nevermind, a list was already posted.

[quote name='whoknows']What makes Live a superior service aside from having private/party chat? I haven't seen anything else it has that PSN doesn't.[/QUOTE]

The kids insist on that crap but never have a compelling argument. Why would you chat to people NOT playing the same game? The only thing you get for your fee is ads. The worst PSN offers is sticking the store icon on the bottom of your XMB lists. Live really isn't that good and never will be as the only service to charge a fee yet offer nothing the rest don't. PC, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, everything is free outside of MMO's. M$ = fail.

[quote name='tmacairjordan87']Even if party chat was the only thing it did better, some of you don't seem to understand just how big a deal that is. Some of you come off as it's no big deal, when it's pretty much the difference between buying a ps3 or 360 to anyone who has friends.

But a more stable and faster connection is another thing Live does better. There's also not as much downtime, whether it's maintenance or who knows what Sony is doing when they take it down almost every month.[/QUOTE]

It's not a big deal. You'll scrape for excuses to save face on why you think it's worth paying for, but there's no use chatting to people who are busy playing different games. On PSN when I want to chat we use the video chat feature. Beat that, 360. Also not true, Live is buggier. Granted Sony likes to update the PS3 far too much but in all the years I've had it I think PSN has only been down for maintenance 2 or 3 times.
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']
98% of that list is shit. And NO ONE PLAYED THOSE GAMES ONLINE! You had to by a seperate broadband adapter. WHICH NO ONE BOUGHT but for FFXI and Socom.[/QUOTE]

Joke post?
 
[quote name='GTmaster39']98% of that list is shit. And NO ONE PLAYED THOSE GAMES ONLINE! You had to by a seperate broadband adapter. WHICH NO ONE BOUGHT but for FFXI and Socom.[/QUOTE]

A blank statement was made and it was wrong. I played Madden on it prior to getting an Xbox 1. There were some of us that bought it and used it online. So yes, PSN is round 2.

[quote name='panzerfaust']Thank god some people can see how minuscule the difference is between PSN and XBL.[/quote]

Those people are playstation fans :roll: Use google my friend to see it is more than a small difference.

If you want actually good online service, you wouldn't be playing your games on a console anyways.

While true, not all of us are fans of mods and having to keep trying random servers.

I'd argue the only reason some people have such shitty connection on PSN is because so many are taking advantage of the wireless.

The wireless adapter on my xbox works just fine. Sounds like a bogus excuse...
 
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[quote name='whoknows']Joke post?[/QUOTE]

You must have been the 1% that actually used it.

[quote name='lordopus99']A blank statement was made and it was wrong. I played Madden on it prior to getting an Xbox. There were some of us that bought it and used it online.[/QUOTE]

Another 1%'er
 
[quote name='lordopus99']A blank statement was made and it was wrong. I played Madden on it prior to getting an Xbox. There were some of us that bought it and used it online.[/QUOTE]

Another 1%'er
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Please explain then what I am doing wrong instead of being non-helpful and trying to trash me. :applause:[/QUOTE]
1. Quit trying to play MP on DSL.
2. Find out what ports need to be open for the PS3, better yet place it in the DMZ.
3. Do you have multiple computers in the house? Turn them off or unplug/disable their internet connection when you want to play online.
4. Don't download porn while you're trying to play.
5. Don't let your family/roommates download porn while you're trying to play.
6. Are there neighbors on your wireless connection? Find out and ban their MAC address. Secure your network in any case.
7. Scan your computers for malware and the like. Sometimes it can be actively using your network without you knowing, esp. if you have no virus/internet protection.
8. Use a wired connection.
9. If all else fails try a new router. Just because other devices work on your router, that doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong with it.

Obviously I'm generalizing here but trying to help.
PSN can be slow to download things but I've not had problems getting into online games.
 
[quote name='Vader582']1. Quit trying to play MP on DSL.[/quote]
I'm directly linked to my provider via fiber.

2. Find out what ports need to be open for the PS3, better yet place it in the DMZ.
Thought about trying this... don't know how much it will help since my other systems (xbox and wii) dont have issues.

3. Do you have multiple computers in the house? Turn them off or unplug/disable their internet connection when you want to play online.
I am guilty of this sometimes listening to music, etc. Sometimes, fiance watches Netflix instant stream while I game. Granted, it normally doesn't effect the xbox's connection that much.

4. Don't download porn while you're trying to play.
5. Don't let your family/roommates download porn while you're trying to play.
Hilarious. I don't download anything via the computer while playing video games.

6. Are there neighbors on your wireless connection? Find out and ban their MAC address. Secure your network in any case.
No one leaches my network. I have it pretty encrypted. My log backs it up.

7. Scan your computers for malware and the like. Sometimes it can be actively using your network without you knowing, esp. if you have no virus/internet protection.
I have protection... :lol:

8. Use a wired connection.
Too far from router; too far from fiber optic port in house.

9. If all else fails try a new router. Just because other devices work on your router, that doesn't mean there isn't anything wrong with it.
I am on my third router. First had Linksys (gave out after 3 years), Netgear (lasted a year), now on a Belkin. I have had similiar results with all routers minus that the Belkin has been the most stable as I haven't had to reset it at all unlike the other two which I would.

Obviously I'm generalizing here but trying to help.
Thanks for trying. Maybe one day I will try the whole port forwarding thing...
 
I still play TM:Black online and Star Wars Battlefront 2 to this day. Anyone up for a game? BTW, TM:Black was the pack-in game that came with the broadband adapter. You got the game shipped to you in the mail and I remember the servers were pretty bogged down due to the popularity. I can confirm that the dreamcast was the very first console that I ever took online and that was dial-up and still worked pretty good. As a long time online console player I like Xbox live but I think PSN is a better fit for me right now.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']Thanks for trying. Maybe one day I will try the whole port forwarding thing...[/QUOTE]
So you are using a DSL connection?

Another thought: Anything in the vicinity of your PS3 that may be interfering with the wireless signal/using the same radio spectrum; ie: a cordless phone, wireless printer etc? If so, try turning those off and trying to play.

I'd def. try port forwarding.
There's no reason that you shouldn't have a decent connection.
http://community.us.playstation.com/message/2265507

The hardest part is sticking with this and diagnosing the issue. Good luck.
 
[quote name='LottaGames']


It's not a big deal. You'll scrape for excuses to save face on why you think it's worth paying for, but there's no use chatting to people who are busy playing different games. On PSN when I want to chat we use the video chat feature. Beat that, 360. Also not true, Live is buggier. Granted Sony likes to update the PS3 far too much but in all the years I've had it I think PSN has only been down for maintenance 2 or 3 times.[/QUOTE]

Spoken like someone who doesn't have friends. So do you only talk to the couple friends you have when they're doing the exact thing you are?

And there's no way Live is buggier than PSN, that's just plain false. Certain games like COD are buggy because of poor coders, not because of the online system. It takes at least 3 times as long to download something on ps3 than it does with live, then it has to install for some reason.

Also, here's all the times PSN was down. http://www.joystiq.com/search/?q=psn+maintenance&invocationType=wl-joystiq A hell of a lot more than 2 or 3 times.
 
[quote name='Vader582']So you are using a DSL connection? [/quote]
Nope I am on fiber optic. It's the fastest network I have been on.

Another thought: Anything in the vicinity of your PS3 that may be interfering with the wireless signal/using the same radio spectrum; ie: a cordless phone, wireless printer etc? If so, try turning those off and trying to play.
I always thought that but nothing is. Phones are far enough away (10-15 feet away). My wireless printer is even further away.

I'd def. try port forwarding.
There's no reason that you shouldn't have a decent connection.
http://community.us.playstation.com/message/2265507

The hardest part is sticking with this and diagnosing the issue. Good luck.

Thanks. I agree I should have a good connection. No reason I shouldn't be having these issues. Like someone stated earlier, it might just be the games I have chosen to try online. Who knows... again maybe one day I will try the port forwarding.

[quote name='lottagames']Live really isn't that good and never will be as the only service to charge a fee yet offer nothing the rest don't. PC, PSP, PS2, PS3, Wii, DS, everything is free outside of MMO's. M$ = fail.[/quote]
You obviously are a fanboy. XBL offers way more than you let on. Stop trying to get a Live vs PSN thread. As for your excuses of free...
PC - most games you have to mess with servers to find which is your best match. Back in the day when I was a big PC FPS gamer, you would have to physically call your friends to match each other up on a server. Trial and error with your friends until you found a good lag free connection. For the most part, yes PC gaming online is superior if your machine handles it, you enjoy mods, and you don't mind having to mess with servers.
PSP - who even plays that crap. Biggest waste of money I have ever spent.
PS2 - You paid an entrance fee by buying the network port so not completely free.
PS3 - again not going in with the Live vs PSN talk
Wii - You have to trade codes to play with others i.e. no random gameplay.
DS - Never tried it. Based on wii's experience, I would assume it is just as difficult to use online.

On PSN when I want to chat we use the video chat feature. Beat that, 360
First off, how many people actually bought an eye toy. Second, you do realize xbox has the exact same thing and it actually works better.
 
Not to mention that pretty much everything Live adds, people on ps3 have to wait for Sony to catch up. Netflix, a movie/tv marketplace, indie store (minis), facebook support, etc. Except for party chat and mandatory psn demos at least :p

I don't mean to come off as a 360 fanboy, since I just sold my 360 a month ago and am officially pc/ps3, but it is what it is.
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']Not to mention that pretty much everything Live adds, people on ps3 have to wait for Sony to catch up. Netflix, a movie/tv marketplace, indie store (minis), facebook support, etc. Except for party chat and mandatory psn demos at least :p

I don't mean to come off as a 360 fanboy, since I just sold my 360 a month ago and am officially pc/ps3, but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Netflix? Meh. Movie/TV store on PSN? Meh. Indie games? Some are cool, but most are just bleh. Facebook? Especially :puke:.

All I want for my GAME system is to run GAMES right and not take forever to do it. Is that so wrong?

At least if Sony let you delete shit off the XMB you don't want that'd be a nice feature. First things being chopped would be the FB icon(s) and the 3-4 extra Playstation Store icons.
 
I kinda laugh at the Facebook part cause if you really needed that for your PS3 not sure what to say. I remember a day when you just called your friends to catch up instead of spending 3 weeks writing back and forth for a convo that takes 2 mins :p

and yes the rest is Meh.^
 
[quote name='dante2007']I kinda laugh at the Facebook part cause if you really needed that for your PS3 not sure what to say. I remember a day when you just called your friends to catch up instead of spending 3 weeks writing back and forth for a convo that takes 2 mins :p

and yes the rest is Meh.^[/QUOTE]

I was under the impression Facebook support was only used for Trophies and PSN purchases. Thats all I ever did with. You don't "chat" with anyone and the is no writing back and forth for 3 weeks.

I'm just trying to figure out what made you laugh because I don't think you even know what your talking about.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Netflix? Meh. Movie/TV store on PSN? Meh. Indie games? Some are cool, but most are just bleh. Facebook? Especially :puke:.

All I want for my GAME system is to run GAMES right and not take forever to do it. Is that so wrong?

At least if Sony let you delete shit off the XMB you don't want that'd be a nice feature. First things being chopped would be the FB icon(s) and the 3-4 extra Playstation Store icons.[/QUOTE]

I don't have the Facebook icon I don't think.

I never activated it though or whatever.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Netflix? Meh. Movie/TV store on PSN? Meh. Indie games? Some are cool, but most are just bleh. Facebook? Especially :puke:.

All I want for my GAME system is to run GAMES right and not take forever to do it. Is that so wrong?[/QUOTE]

Then you want a 360, since ps3 games always have updates and they take forever to download and then install. 360 game updates take seconds.

The rest of the stuff you guys are missing the point. I don't care if you like facebook or not, the point was that Live is the system getting all these features first and then Sony reacts, instead of being first to the table. That's generally not a good business model. The only really nice feature they have over MS is remote functionality with the PSP, which I'm sure MS would have done first if they had made a handheld.
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']Then you want a 360, since ps3 games always have updates and they take forever to download and then install. 360 game updates take seconds.[/QUOTE]
I have a 360, bought it from the one local shop for $20 with the E74 error and 4 days left on its warranty.;)

MS is sending me a free shipping label to send it out and get it repaired.:D

But the PS3 updates wouldn't be so bad if they would put them out at a reasonable time and not around 9-10pm EST.:roll:
 
[quote name='whoknows']I don't have the Facebook icon I don't think.

I never activated it though or whatever.[/QUOTE]
There's only one that I've ever seen, and it's the last option under Account Management. So you'd have to go out of your way to find it and be annoyed by it.

Seriously though, the few extra icons the XMB has is nothing compared to the amount of ads and stuff the 360 Dashboard has. None of that stuff has ever bothered me though, seems like a pretty insignificant thing to complain about.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I have a 360, bought it from the one local shop for $20 with the E74 error and 4 days left on its warranty.;)

MS is sending me a free shipping label to send it out and get it repaired.:D

But the PS3 updates wouldn't be so bad if they would put them out at a reasonable time and not around 9-10pm EST.:roll:[/QUOTE]


so now the people in the xbox forums can enjoy you complaining about the lack of / quality of service from microsoft lol. thats going to be interesting to see.
 
[quote name='lokizz']so now the people in the xbox forums can enjoy you complaining about the lack of / quality of service from microsoft lol. thats going to be interesting to see.[/QUOTE]

That's how Cheapest rolls. It's sort of his.....how do I say....."in his nature" to complain. Which is fine. I've become used to it, it's quite funny. :)
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']
The rest of the stuff you guys are missing the point. I don't care if you like facebook or not, the point was that Live is the system getting all these features first and then Sony reacts, instead of being first to the table. That's generally not a good business model. The only really nice feature they have over MS is remote functionality with the PSP, which I'm sure MS would have done first if they had made a handheld.[/QUOTE]

Look, who cares...it is a ps3 forum. I have one word for you BluRay. I would call that first out of the box. MS was in total reaction mode with HD-DVD. I personally own both a 360 and PS3 and see no point in what you are trying to say. I mean, Netflix is free on PSN and you have to be a gold XBL member to use it. Works perfectly fine on PSN and every system owner can use it.
Just because MS throw $$$ to get things first doesn't make it better. Also, if you think being first to the table has a lot to do with success then you have not studied many business models. How is Yahoo doing right now? What about MySpace? First to the table usually means spending a whole lot more cash....not necessarily a winning model in and of itself.
 
[quote name='jmbreci']Look, who cares...it is a ps3 forum. I have one word for you BluRay. I would call that first out of the box. [/quote]
He never stated anything about hardware. Blu-ray is pretty much the main reason most people have purchased a PS3. Blu-ray was Sony's baby. Good work for stating the obvious.

MS was in total reaction mode with HD-DVD.
I don't call it reaction mode. At that time, you either bough HD-DVD or Blu-Ray (Sony's format). If it was reaction mode, Microsoft currently would have a Blu-Ray addition, which they don't and have zero plans into implementing one.

I mean, Netflix is free on PSN and you have to be a gold XBL member to use it. Works perfectly fine on PSN and every system owner can use it.
You are correct. Completely free and works just great. But based on the amount of people on Xbox Live, I would say this is just semantics about free vs not. Also factor in the amount of ways of streaming Netflix outside PS and Xbox, there are too many to count.

Also, if you think being first to the table has a lot to do with success then you have not studied many business models. How is Yahoo doing right now? What about MySpace? First to the table usually means spending a whole lot more cash....not necessarily a winning model in and of itself.

Yahoo is still a top 10 online company. They are third in online advertising. Still aquiring other businesses. I would say they are doing just fine. Just because Google rose doesn't mean Yahoo still isn't doing good. :roll:

MySpace still is doing just fine. Third in social networking. Still launching the careers of plenty musicians. Heck, some musicians just use myspace exclusively for their bands websites. Again, just because another company rises doesn't mean a site just completely dies.

Google rose due to innovation that Yahoo/other search engines didn't have. In addition to ease of use i.e. little to no ads. Same goes for Facebook. Give both of those sites time and you will see they will both start adding ads and other crap to their pages like Yahoo and MySpace had. Facebook has already start moving that route. Ease of use is why people use sites i.e. the lack of ease of use is why I no longer go to Kotaku/Gizmodo/etc.

Just because MS throw $$$ to get things first doesn't make it better.

Microsoft does more than just throw money. All of his posting stated things they did first. It wasn't them just throwing money like they have with the Call of Duty time exclusive map packs. There was zero exclusiveness to any of those features. They don't have anywhere close to the amount of first party developers like Sony and Nintendo have so they have to make up where they can by throwing money at third party developers for exclusive/time-exclusive games and dlc.

Lastly based on that fact that you have no gamertag listed, I would say you have little to no experience on Xbox Live.
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']Not to mention that pretty much everything Live adds, people on ps3 have to wait for Sony to catch up. Netflix, a movie/tv marketplace, indie store (minis), facebook support, etc. Except for party chat and mandatory psn demos at least :p

I don't mean to come off as a 360 fanboy, since I just sold my 360 a month ago and am officially pc/ps3, but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]

Yeah the whole reason for that is because you have to pay for it.

Its not like both options are free and that's the better choice you have to pay for those features that's not to much a win. Also really your going to defend xbox in the same sentence you said you sold it lol for heavens sake your in the PS3 section. Id probably play on xbox instead if it was free but its not and to me the few extras you get aren't worth it to me. All i want to do is play FPS games online while talking to my friends and i do that fine with PS3 for free.

I mean this is your reason why xbox is worth it
Netflix, a movie/tv marketplace, indie store (minis), facebook support,

1. I don't have netflix i have satellite and probably will never get Netflix.
2. Market place well i only own 5 games on my PSN account.
3 indie store minis -i don't play shovelware not even if its free the hell if i had to pay for it.
4. Fackbook support i have a account but i hardly ever use my facebook i have 2 friends on it and use it to enter contests from this site more then anything else.

So based on that would i want to pay 49.99 a year to play halo and gears of war? I think ill take PSN for free. Plus the way i look at it is Blu-ray is the next generation format for movies so as long as i have a PS3 i can start building a blu-ray collection.

I mean really for the extras that xbox live users get is still a rip off for such a rich company there online could be free specially if the poorer company Sony is capable of it.
 
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[quote name='needler420']So based on that would i want to pay 49.99 a year to play halo and gears of war? I think ill take PSN for free.[/quote]
I pay $30 (no CAG pays full price; comes to around 8 cents/day) for a stable connection, great matchmaking, better chatting, and a bigger community. Not just to play Halo or Gears. In fact, most of my FPS time is spent on BF:BC2 a game that is not only on Xbox but also on PS3. The countless numbers of Xbox Live users prove that. I am not the only one on this forum or anywhere else that has multiple systems and choose to play on Xbox over PS3 when I can. It might be why most 3rd party developers create titles for xbox and port them to PS3, which normally leads to inferior versions of the games with screen tearing/worst graphically/etc.

I mean really for the extras that xbox live users get is still a rip off for such a rich company there online could be free specially if the poorer company Sony is capable of it.

Don't be fooled. Sony is just as rich as Microsoft.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']
PSP - who even plays that crap. Biggest waste of money I have ever spent.
Wii - You have to trade codes to play with others i.e. no random gameplay.
DS - Never tried it. Based on wii's experience, I would assume it is just as difficult to use online.
[/QUOTE]
Hell of an argument, I think you've changed my mind. :roll:
 
[quote name='tmacairjordan87']Spoken like someone who doesn't have friends. So do you only talk to the couple friends you have when they're doing the exact thing you are?

And there's no way Live is buggier than PSN, that's just plain false. Certain games like COD are buggy because of poor coders, not because of the online system. It takes at least 3 times as long to download something on ps3 than it does with live, then it has to install for some reason.

Also, here's all the times PSN was down. http://www.joystiq.com/search/?q=psn+maintenance&invocationType=wl-joystiq A hell of a lot more than 2 or 3 times.[/QUOTE]

If you're not playing the same game why would you bother them? PSN is clearly the better choice and I'm sure you'll agree.

Live is buggier. It's also too expensive when better services are free and it's overrun by children. Perhaps they feel safer there than playing with adults on a real platform. No doubt CoD is buggy too, Act can't produce a good game.

That site is wrong. PSN hasn't been down that often, maybe the updates were done without dropping the whole network.
 
[quote name='lordopus99']I pay $30 (no CAG pays full price; comes to around 8 cents/day) for a stable connection, great matchmaking, better chatting, and a bigger community. Not just to play Halo or Gears. In fact, most of my FPS time is spent on BF:BC2 a game that is not only on Xbox but also on PS3. The countless numbers of Xbox Live users prove that. I am not the only one on this forum or anywhere else that has multiple systems and choose to play on Xbox over PS3 when I can. It might be why most 3rd party developers create titles for xbox and port them to PS3, which normally leads to inferior versions of the games with screen tearing/worst graphically/etc.



Don't be fooled. Sony is just as rich as Microsoft.[/QUOTE]

8 Cents a day for xbox live where the hell did you learn math it be more then 8 cents a day if xbox live was only $8 a month. At 49.99 a month =about $2 dollars a day not $0.08 cents lmao
 
[quote name='lordopus99']You obviously are a fanboy. XBL offers way more than you let on. Stop trying to get a Live vs PSN thread. As for your excuses of free...
PC - most games you have to mess with servers to find which is your best match. Back in the day when I was a big PC FPS gamer, you would have to physically call your friends to match each other up on a server. Trial and error with your friends until you found a good lag free connection. For the most part, yes PC gaming online is superior if your machine handles it, you enjoy mods, and you don't mind having to mess with servers.
PSP - who even plays that crap. Biggest waste of money I have ever spent.
PS2 - You paid an entrance fee by buying the network port so not completely free.
PS3 - again not going in with the Live vs PSN talk
Wii - You have to trade codes to play with others i.e. no random gameplay.
DS - Never tried it. Based on wii's experience, I would assume it is just as difficult to use online.


First off, how many people actually bought an eye toy. Second, you do realize xbox has the exact same thing and it actually works better.[/QUOTE]

Typical fanboy kid response. I own more games and consoles than you do so I'm not a fan of a single one. However I can also recognize and ignore poor products and 360/Live is not good. It offers nothing but ads over the others, everyone knows that.

Baloney. PC is easy to use if you have friends who know how to work a PC. We had a server and knew when the others were online. Yeah the PSP isn't that great but it was free online. The PS2 had a one time fee, not monthly. We know PS3 works perfectly. The Wii offers random online gameplay, you just don't know who you're playing. Perhaps a little paranoid of Nin but letting the childrun run rampant is why Live is inferior. Parents aren't always involved with their kids' gaming. The DS isn't much different than the Wii, it works fine.

Eye Toy was PS2. PS3 has the PSEye and plenty did. Either because it was a cheap way to get a quality mic, because they played Eye of Judgment before it was phased out, or when they got a Move. Actually no, Kinect doesn't compare. Price, functionality, versatility, etc. It's not even original since people were playing camera games on PS2. Your comments really show who the fanperson is.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Netflix? Meh. Movie/TV store on PSN? Meh. Indie games? Some are cool, but most are just bleh. Facebook? Especially :puke:.

All I want for my GAME system is to run GAMES right and not take forever to do it. Is that so wrong?

At least if Sony let you delete shit off the XMB you don't want that'd be a nice feature. First things being chopped would be the FB icon(s) and the 3-4 extra Playstation Store icons.[/QUOTE]

This. All of it. When I say Sony has a better platform I don't mean they are flawless. I couldn't care less about the fluff, I just want the games too. Movies suck and FB is a waste of time. The extra store icons would bother me more if I spent more time in the movie/music/internet lists.
 
[quote name='jmbreci']Look, who cares...it is a ps3 forum. I have one word for you BluRay. I would call that first out of the box. MS was in total reaction mode with HD-DVD. I personally own both a 360 and PS3 and see no point in what you are trying to say. I mean, Netflix is free on PSN and you have to be a gold XBL member to use it. Works perfectly fine on PSN and every system owner can use it.
Just because MS throw $$$ to get things first doesn't make it better. Also, if you think being first to the table has a lot to do with success then you have not studied many business models. How is Yahoo doing right now? What about MySpace? First to the table usually means spending a whole lot more cash....not necessarily a winning model in and of itself.[/QUOTE]

Seeing how I can't stand movies the BR player was the least important feature in my PS3. What I'd like to comment on is all the 'being first' stuff. Do I care if Live gets a few things first, including DLC? Not at all, I actually appreciate the kiddies bugtesting everything before we get it. I would rather have it later, pre-patched, and not pay for it.
 
[quote name='lokizz']so now the people in the xbox forums can enjoy you complaining about the lack of / quality of service from microsoft lol. thats going to be interesting to see.[/QUOTE]
Nah. That's gonna be a strictly offline console unless they let me use the old Xbox 1 XBL months I have from various games from that era to get time on XBL Gold.:D

I really only want it for the few exclusives(Fable III, etc) that I enjoyed last gen on the Xbox and wanted to play the sequels of. Otherwise I'll probably sell it in like 3-6 months.:D
 
As I recall, the reason the PS3 didn't have Netflix is Microsoft bought exclusivity for an Xbox discless Netflix app for a certain time frame. Netflix eventually got around that for PS3 by issuing blu-ray discs with a rudimentary interface for streaming as long as the disc was in the PS3. Then soon after the Microsoft deal was allowed to lapse, the Netflix discless app was released for the PS3 with a much improved interface.
 
[quote name='LottaGames']Live is buggier.[/quote]
You are flat smoking dope. Only one game has ever had lag for me (Gears). So far on PS3, I have had 3 games. I had my Xbox a good year more than the PS3 plus I play it more so you would think if it was buggie/laggier I would have seen more cases on Xbox. Plus, Xbox has never been down for me when I tried to play (Microsoft does maintenance over nights when they do it). PS3 on the other hand was down one time I tried to play due to a time gltich. It was out for a full day because they didn't know what fucking happened. Oh no strikes a Y2K type bug :lol:

It's also too expensive when better services are free and it's overrun by children.

Only children complain paying what equates to less than 10 cents a day.

Fact: Children play on both systems :roll:

Perhaps they feel safer there than playing with adults on a real platform.
And your calling me the fan boy :lol:

No doubt CoD is buggy too, Act can't produce a good game.
To you its not a good game but by the fact that to date Black Ops is #1 on the NPD sales charts I would say that you are in the minority for thinking the COD titles are bad games. Are they buggy online? Yes. You have millions of people trying to play it at the same time. It is the number 1 online console game. People always look for away to break a game for their advantage. On Xbox though this game hasn't been shutdown online like it was on PS3 and a forced PS3 patch was required for ALL PS3 users due to all the piracy/cheating from that game on PS3...thanks PS3 for being a glorified computer than users can break it at any whim they want ;)

That site is wrong. PSN hasn't been down that often, maybe the updates were done without dropping the whole network.
In the great words of Steven Tyler.... DREAM ON, DREAM ON

It's down all the time due to my last statement above.

Typical fanboy kid response. I own more games and consoles than you do so I'm not a fan of a single one.
No I actually have owned the majority of systems and I make determinations on what I considered a better product which Live is (again, only PC beats it). Unlike someone like you who only owns one system and considered the best (i.e. the definition of a fan boy)... I started back on a commodore 64 with Jordan vs Bird... maybe that can help you on my age ;)

It offers nothing but ads over the others, everyone knows that.
Talking like someone who again has never been on Live let alone Xbox 360 at all. What you think are ads are actually functional things you can do like all the things TMac stated earlier plus videos you can watch, games that you can purchases, sales ongoing, gamercard/settings etc.

Perhaps a little paranoid of Nin but letting the childrun run rampant is why Live is inferior.
Again... FACT: Children also game on PS3. :roll:

Eye Toy was PS2. PS3 has the PSEye and plenty did. Either because it was a cheap way to get a quality mic, because they played Eye of Judgment before it was phased out, or when they got a Move.
The product is the same no matter a name change. Nobody had the product hence why it was clearanced/no one carried/developer supported it. It was a piece of crap similiar to the Xbox 360 camera that first came out.

Actually no, Kinect doesn't compare. Price, functionality, versatility, etc. It's not even original since people were playing camera games on PS2.

It is a way better concept that your bogus Eye Toy. It captures full movement of your body, voice commands, etc. Dance Central + Kinect takes Dance Dance Revolution to a whole new level. The upside potential that other developers will follow in Harmonix's footsteps makes the Kinect the best idea from last year (gaming peripheral). The Move controller, on the other hand, is a two part Wii remote that is a waste of time/space. Killzone 3 reviews essentially state it is insanely inferior to a controller for the game. Who would want the Move knowing that; I thought that was part of the selling point... not this guy.
 
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So I proved you wrong once and you want more? It's a new game and perhaps an overhyped one too. Shooter kiddies do exist on both platforms but since the 360 is marketed towards children they are more of a problem there. It's cheap up front, disposable, costs more in the long run, and gives the kids an easy chance to act like idiots with a mic. There's a lot of mistakes from Live that wouldn't work on an older userbase. And as I frequently say, while Sony has easily destroyed the 360 (and Nin beating both combined), they are not without their flaws.
 
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[quote name='LottaGames']So I proved you wrong once and you want more? It's a new game and perhaps an overhyped one too.[/quote]
It's now the second Sony title of the year with a similiar lag/connection issues. Interesting... I didn't have issues playing Halo Reach at launch ;)

Shooter kiddies do exist on both platforms but since the 360 is marketed towards children they are more of a problem there. It's cheap up front, disposable, costs more in the long run, and gives the kids an easy chance to act like idiots with a mic.
Please explain this. Sony has Kevin Butler and Marcus. Their commercials are easily aimed at the 8-25 range. Xbox has families playing Kinect; commercials aimed at 18-50.

There's a lot of mistakes from Live that wouldn't work on an older userbase.
That explains why there is a bigger online community for about all multiplatiform games on Xbox Live.

And as I frequently say, while Sony has easily destroyed the 360 (and Nin beating both combined), they are not without their flaws.
Easily destroyed??? That's why the Xbox 360 was number 1 on this past NPD chart. I got a secret... It was the first system out of the gate and it is still the hottest seller over time; not short term sales (ps3) or inflated demand (wii).
 
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