Sikh temple attacked in Wisconsin

Without knowing anything about the gunman, you jump right to racism. That's the DD we all know and love.

Can't even let the gunsmoke clear before you start throwing allegations around and trying to make a statement.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Without knowing anything about the gunman, you jump right to racism. That's the DD we all know and love.

Can't even let the gunsmoke clear before you start throwing allegations around and trying to make a statement.[/QUOTE]
Middle aged white guy and being treated as a case of domestic terrorism? I'd say that I'm pretty much on the mark. If you have an alternative theory, I'd love to hear it because you certainly didn't supply one in your post. Otherwise, you're just being a white knight like usual.:dunce:

edit: And technically speaking, there probably wasn't much smoke to clear unless the gunman was using muskets or other black powder guns.

edit2: LOLZ...and it only took 4 minutes before we had our first hand wringing. Is this a record? You're such a fucking tool, dude.:rofl:
 
I don't have an alternate theory because I don't have any details on the shooting.

And if it's "hand wringing" to suggest that we either A) Wait for more information and/or B) Wait for those effected to have *some* time to grieve, then I'll proudly wring my hands.

I mean, FSM almighty man - these are real events with real people and real lives - you're treating it like some kind of game where you get to score points against the other team because you rush out and wag your finger at them first.

Congrats, man. You get the points.
 
[quote name='dohdough']http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a...ses_tell_of_hostage_situation_at_sikh_temple/

Holy shit...6 people killed. I hate jumping to conclusions(LOLZ), but I'm guessing it was a racist shitbag that thought Sikhs are Muslims because of similarish garb(not really) and had a brown complexion(as if there aren't white people with tans).

Let the hand wringing begin...[/QUOTE]

That was the first thing that popped into my head when the story first broke. It really says something about the political climate in this country when you can put two and two together in the context of the story so quickly.
 
Suspect identified:

OAK CREEK, Wis. - The suspect in a shooting that left six people dead at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee on Sunday has been identified as Wade Michael Page, who served in the U.S. Army for about six years. According to sources in the U.S. Army, Page enlisted in April 1992 and given a less-than-honorable discharge in October 1998. He served at Fort Bliss, Texas, in the psychological operations unit in 1994, and was last stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, attached to the psychological operations unit. The details of his discharge were not immediately clear.
Wade was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage that left terrified congregants hiding in closets and others texting friends outside for help.

Officials had previously described the suspect as a heavy-set, 40-year-old Caucasian with numerous tattoos.

Sources tell CBS News some unspecified evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.


Local police called the attack an act of domestic terrorism, but other sources tell CBS News correspondent Bob Orr it may be more accurate to refer to "an investigation into a possible hate crime."
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Just an FYI folks. The lack of coverage is due to the type of investigation this is. FBI is in charge, not local blues. Protocol, etc.
 
Having actually visited Sikh temples in India, I can say I've never met a more friendly group of people. Really sad this happened.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']I don't have an alternate theory because I don't have any details on the shooting.

And if it's "hand wringing" to suggest that we either A) Wait for more information and/or B) Wait for those effected to have *some* time to grieve, then I'll proudly wring my hands.

I mean, FSM almighty man - these are real events with real people and real lives - you're treating it like some kind of game where you get to score points against the other team because you rush out and wag your finger at them first.

Congrats, man. You get the points.[/QUOTE]
And you're not "playing" defense? Gimme a fucking break.

Look, you intellectually bankrupt turd. These events don't occur in a vacuum and Sikh communities have seen a rise in racially based harassment over the last 10 years, especially that one.

It's even more cynical of you to once again evoke some faux indignation over those killed as if you actually give a shit. We all know you don't and it's as transparent as glass. That's why you're turning the argument against me and not discussing the actual incident itself.

The fact that you say you'd give it "*some* time" to grieve is bullshit before wringing your hands because you did it within 4 minutes of the OP. I guess that means 15 hours is more than enough time for you to start white knighting.
 
[quote name='perdition(troy']sucks that people are still killing each other over their make believe friends.[/QUOTE]
:whistle2:k I think I like this. Good one!
 
As for the racism, the news has been talking about ties to white supremacy. That he was in a band with white supremacist lyrics etc. (End Apathy or something like that was name of band).

Edit: End Apathy is the band name, and the shooter was the singer.
 
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[quote name='dohdough']Middle aged white guy and being treated as a case of domestic terrorism? I'd say that I'm pretty much on the mark. If you have an alternative theory, I'd love to hear it because you certainly didn't supply one in your post. Otherwise, you're just being a white knight like usual.:dunce:

edit: And technically speaking, there probably wasn't much smoke to clear unless the gunman was using muskets or other black powder guns.

edit2: LOLZ...and it only took 4 minutes before we had our first hand wringing. Is this a record? You're such a fucking tool, dude.:rofl:[/QUOTE]

LOL! HILARIOUS! 4 minutes! DD has it spot on! If anyone even cares to follow the violence and acts of hatred against people of color in this country (in particular Muslims... rather, any shade of brown that looks like what white people think means "Muz-lim"), they would know that this is the likely M.O. But apparently people think everything occurs in a vacuum.

BTW, where is the "z" in "Muslim"??? So asks the grammar police.


EDIT: Speaking of the hate and terror campaign against Muslims, who, if anyone caught news reports on the burning down of a mosque in Missouri. Second time this was attempted. http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=684282 If this was a Jewish temple, I bet it would be national news. But, Muslims then it would be filed away in section D of the NYT if they bothered to cover it...

Footage of the arsonist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zm2CYy1n4
I only heard about this via email. Try subscribing to the CAIR email list. You'll get a view of another America.
 
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it all boils down to this; if you're from WI and you use all three names, you're gonna be causing trouble at some point in life.
 
I realize that white supremacists aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but if you think sikhs are muslims because they have turbans, it would probably be better for the world if you had been darwinned out at an early age.
 
This definetily didn't occur in a vaccume, shit went down about 30 minutes from my house. I bought my 3DS at the GameStop in Oak Creek. Ive probably driven past this place. Scary stuff indeed.
 
This is very terrifying news as it took place inside a place of worship.

Another terrible tragedy occurs and instead of doing better common sense measures, people are going to troll everywhere about how their rights to guns as "reasonable citizens" are going to be violated and now is also not the time to talk about what must not be said.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Suspect identified:



Just an FYI folks. The lack of coverage is due to the type of investigation this is. FBI is in charge, not local blues. Protocol, etc.[/QUOTE]

See what happens if you wait a few hours? You can bring actual information to the thread instead of "White guy killing brown people... racizm!"

DD - It doesn't bother me one bit that you don't think I care about the people effected by this. I mean, I type out words for you to read and you still have no idea what's going on, so it comes as no surprise to me that you have absolutely no idea what's going on inside of my thoughts.

This is a disgusting and deplorable act and, if anyone else was involved, I hope they see justice.

Aside from the deaths, the most concerning part to me is that a man so ****ed up in the head was a "psychological operations specialists" for the US Army. But some of the **** that crew pulls, if you're anywhere ranking in that unit, you probably have to be pretty messed up anyway.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']See what happens if you wait a few hours? You can bring actual information to the thread instead of "White guy killing brown people... racizm!"[/QUOTE]

Uh...did you even read any of the information about the shooter that's come out since the attack?

edit: Given your posting history, do I even need to ask that question?
 
[quote name='confoosious']I realize that white supremacists aren't the sharpest tools in the shed, but if you think sikhs are muslims because they have turbans, it would probably be better for the world if you had been darwinned out at an early age.[/QUOTE]

Who said he thought they were Muslims? We don't know the shooters history, or if he feels slighted by the Sikhs or w/e. Not that it matters much, they both pray to the sky.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']See what happens if you wait a few hours? You can bring actual information to the thread instead of "White guy killing brown people... racizm!"[/quote]
I'll take this as your acknowledgement of my correctness. And I DID bring actual information to this thread and prefaced my assumption about the suspect as me "jumping to conclusions." It's right there in the OP if you bothered to take your ideological blinders off. No where did I state it was fact. It stating stupid superficial thoughts were ban-able, you'd've been banned before I even joined. For someone so goddamned literal, I'd think you'd know the difference.

DD - It doesn't bother me one bit that you don't think I care about the people effected by this. I mean, I type out words for you to read and you still have no idea what's going on, so it comes as no surprise to me that you have absolutely no idea what's going on inside of my thoughts.
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Defending marginalized and oppressed people is merely a means to an end for you, whatever that end may be. Defending marginalized and oppressed people IS my end goal. There's the difference between me and you.

This is a disgusting and deplorable act and, if anyone else was involved, I hope they see justice.
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If the victims were your primary concerned, you would've just posted this instead of attacking me. This proves my point about you exactly.

Aside from the deaths, the most concerning part to me is that a man so ****ed up in the head was a "psychological operations specialists" for the US Army. But some of the **** that crew pulls, if you're anywhere ranking in that unit, you probably have to be pretty messed up anyway.
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You've made this error at least twice already. It's dis-concer-t-ing. Seriously man, use a spell check or something.

As for your assumptions, he was a Sgt that was busted down to a Specialist and got dishonorably discharged. He could've just been some grunt moving speakers around or packing crates with propaganda for all we know. Also, selection bias. A lot of the people that enter the military aren't right in the head to begin with and those that are, tend to get out, leaving a higher concentration of the former.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']Uh...did you even read any of the information about the shooter that's come out since the attack?[/QUOTE]

If you'd bother to actually read the entire post before making stupid comments, you'd see that DD threw up (heh) this thread when the only information about the guy was that he was white. He literally says in his first reply, "Middle aged white guy [...] I'm on the mark [racist]." (Then makes a "dog whistle" remark suggesting I'm in some way affiliated with the KKK...)

Yes, I fully admit, it turns out that DD's guess was correct. It wasn't that huge of a leap and I figured it would turn out that way... but that's not the point.
 
[quote name='UncleBob'](Then makes a "dog whistle" remark suggesting I'm in some way affiliated with the KKK...)[/QUOTE]

Oh, bother. Because he called you a "white knight"? Pish-posh; he's more likely than not alluding to the fact that you hold such a preposterously high threshold for the burden of proof that racism exists or plays a part in situations that you seem nigh incapable of *EVER* having seen it occur in the past 40 years. Therefore, playing right into the perpetuation of covert racism in modern society, witlessly supporting the hegemon, etc.

Bob, you're such an anal-retentive literalist when it comes to the use of language that you're surely stretching your *own* credulity by transforming "white knight" into DD saying "Bob's a Klansman."

Seesh.

[quote name='nasum']it all boils down to this; if you're from WI and you use all three names, you're gonna be causing trouble at some point in life.[/QUOTE]

Protocol. He was surely "Wade Page" or "Michael Page" or something, but reporters/police in high-profile mass murders tend to use full names so as to discern them from other people with the same first and last name.

Remember that just a few weeks back ABC (?) News got James Holmes the tea party numbskull confused with James Holmes who killed people in the Aurora theater? That's why middle names get used in reports. Also, so regular citizens can say "Oh, no, my name is John Francois Gacy, not Wayne."
 
LOLZ...for all the insults I hurl around here, is it even remotely logical that I would have an actual problem calling someone a member of the KKK as if I draw some kind of imaginary line at that? :rofl:
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][...]the fact that you hold such a preposterously high threshold for the burden of proof that racism exists or plays a part in situations[...][/QUOTE]

Yes, Myke... wanting more than "he's white" before declaring racism is "preposterously high threshold for the burden of proof". I see it so clearly now.

*edit* - calling someone a "White Knight" in a thread about racism is pretty obvious.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Yes, Myke... wanting more than "he's white" before declaring racism is "preposterously high threshold for the burden of proof". I see it so clearly now.[/quote]

this is the only time you've expressed skepticism that something is racially motivated, then?

Oh, wait, no, that's not right. It's your M-to-the-motherfucking-O, my friend.

*edit* - calling someone a "White Knight" in a thread about racism is pretty obvious.
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Where did he call you a member of the KKK? Show me.
 
See, Myke... Here's the thing. I never said he called me a member of the KKK. I clearly stated that he was using "dog whistle" terms to suggest I was affiliated with the KKK.

Read the thread, not what's already in your head.
 
It's almost as if you want me to call you a member of the KKK. Sorry, but I'm not going to feed your persecution complex. Believe me, if I wanted to call you one, I would, so get over it.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If you'd bother to actually read the entire post before making stupid comments, you'd see that DD threw up (heh) this thread when the only information about the guy was that he was white. He literally says in his first reply, "Middle aged white guy [...] I'm on the mark [racist]." (Then makes a "dog whistle" remark suggesting I'm in some way affiliated with the KKK...)

Yes, I fully admit, it turns out that DD's guess was correct. It wasn't that huge of a leap and I figured it would turn out that way... but that's not the point.[/QUOTE]

DD didn't make the jump out of thin air. There has been plenty of violence against Sikhs (and Desi of all stripes) in the US post 911. This goes without saying.

Part of the reason you are not taken seriously on this board is because you either do not understand or you feign ignorance of the larger context. Nor do you attempt to understand it. Another part of the reason is that you act like a fucking crybaby every time someone says something insulting yet do the same exact thing yourself.
 
I'm not arguing that it wasn't a reasonable conclusion. It was. If I was a horrible person, I would have bet money on the outcome of the investigation being such - without knowing *anything* at all about the shooter - let alone his skin color.

I never once denied that it was racism, was likely racism or anything of the sort.

It just annoyed me that so soon after the shooting and with so little information, DD jumped on here and started throwing racism around without knowing virtually anything about the shooter other than he's white. Now, this shouldn't surprise me....
 
It's pretty amazing, still, to see how Bob was dead bloody fucking wrong on a number of things here, and has managed to mangle the conversation in such a way that nobody's called him out on failing to admit he was dead bloody fucking wrong.

On that note, Bob, please show me where he used "dog whistles" to suggest you are affiliated with the Klan?

Also, tell me what you think the term "dog whistle" means, because the way you're using it, I don't think you understand.
 
Do tell, Myke... how, exactly, was I "dead bloody wrong"?

I never said a thing about the man's motivation until recently.

And, again, using the term "White Knight" in a thread about racism has a pretty clear motivation behind it.

If we were talking in a thread about gang violence and racism and someone said "****in' apes", then tried to back track and claim they were commenting on the concept that man evolved from apes, not a single one of you would let that fly.

Hell, this is the same circle **** who thinks it's perfectly okay to portray white leaders as monkeys, but gets upset when someone does it with a black leader simply because of the history behind the "black people = monkeys" BS. Suddenly, the history behind someone being a "White Knight" in discussions of racism means absolutely NOTHING because that's supposedly not how DD meant it?

DD chose his words for a reason. You can continue to pretend whatever you want.
 
White knight/black knight has historically been used to convey good/evil, you dolt, and that's exactly what it means here. You being the white knight emans you think you're somehow more noble than the rest of us. Can't believe you criticize someone for looking to much into something and then go and do it yourself.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']Do tell, Myke... how, exactly, was I "dead bloody wrong"?

I never said a thing about the man's motivation until recently.

And, again, using the term "White Knight" in a thread about racism has a pretty clear motivation behind it.

If we were talking in a thread about gang violence and racism and someone said "****in' apes", then tried to back track and claim they were commenting on the concept that man evolved from apes, not a single one of you would let that fly.

Hell, this is the same circle **** who thinks it's perfectly okay to portray white leaders as monkeys, but gets upset when someone does it with a black leader simply because of the history behind the "black people = monkeys" BS. Suddenly, the history behind someone being a "White Knight" in discussions of racism means absolutely NOTHING because that's supposedly not how DD meant it?

DD chose his words for a reason. You can continue to pretend whatever you want.[/QUOTE]

So, what did you mean when you used the term "dog whistle?"
 
[quote name='mykevermin']So, what did you mean when you used the term "dog whistle?"[/QUOTE]

[quote name='Clak']White knight/black knight has historically been used to convey good/evil, you dolt, and that's exactly what it means here.[/quote]

If you ignore the history behind the term "White Knight" in historical race relations, then sure.

Again, DD isn't that stupid and he chose his words purposely.
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If you ignore the history behind the term "White Knight" in historical race relations, then sure.

Again, DD isn't that stupid and he chose his words purposely.[/QUOTE]

Providing a Google link is not the same thing is telling me what you mean when you use those words. So, tell me, what do you mean when you use the term "dog whistle?"
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If you ignore the history behind the term "White Knight" in historical race relations, then sure.[/QUOTE]

When in the flying fuck?

How in the flying fuck?

Who in the flying fuck?

Where in the flying fuck?

...

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What in the flying fuck are you talking about? Provide some context to what in the flying fuck you're talking about here (*AFTER* you answer the dog whistle question). "White knight" has little to no historical context in race relations.

I think you need to stop ignoring the history behind the term "Dr. Thunder" in historical race relations.
 
Ignore the racial history of 'black people = monkeys' but pay attention to the racial history of 'white knight'?
 
[quote name='UncleBob']If you ignore the history behind the term "White Knight" in historical race relations, then sure.

Again, DD isn't that stupid and he chose his words purposely.[/QUOTE]

Holy fuck balls...wtf is this shit? Are you that dense?

My usage of "white knight," notice the lack of capitalization, is a double entendre meaning what mykevermin said and a subversion from its original meaning of being a savior to the helpless, into playing the savior for something that doesn't need protection. The catch is that what mykevermin said about it is as accurate as it needs to be and includes the latter, but since you tend to compartmentalize everything, its only a double entendre to you.

Maybe "white knight" means KKK where you are and if it does, you got your own issues to work out.
 
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I've been meaning to go back and play that game.

(n.b.: that's "dog whistle" for "I've been meaning to go back and play that game.")
 
Don't play the first, play the second. I'm told it has a lot of nice gameplay changes and it includes the first game and the second in one package.

Single Player is awful but the big hook is the online aspect, which is basically an MMORPG material grind to get new gear.
 
[quote name='IRHari']Don't play the first, play the second. I'm told it has a lot of nice gameplay changes and it includes the first game and the second in one package.

Single Player is awful but the big hook is the online aspect, which is basically an MMORPG material grind to get new gear.[/QUOTE]

Which one is more racist in historical context?
 
[quote name='confoosious']Which one is more racist in historical context?[/QUOTE]

I'll just say that the 'White Knight' is the protagonist and the 'Black Knight' is the antagonist.
 
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