Tea Party Protests on Tax Day

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123975867505519363.html

Today American taxpayers in more than 300 locations in all 50 states will hold rallies -- dubbed "tea parties" -- to protest higher taxes and out-of-control government spending. There is no political party behind these rallies, no grand right-wing conspiracy, not even a 501(c) group like MoveOn.org.

So who's behind the Tax Day tea parties? Ordinary folks who are using the power of the Internet to organize. For a number of years, techno-geeks have been organizing "flash crowds" -- groups of people, coordinated by text or cellphone, who converge on a particular location and then do something silly, like the pillow fights that popped up in 50 cities earlier this month. This is part of a general phenomenon dubbed "Smart Mobs" by Howard Rheingold, author of a book by the same title, in which modern communications and social-networking technologies allow quick coordination among large numbers of people who don't know each other.

In the old days, organizing large groups of people required, well, an organization: a political party, a labor union, a church or some other sort of structure. Now people can coordinate themselves.

We saw a bit of this in the 2004 and 2008 presidential campaigns, with things like Howard Dean's use of Meetup, and Barack Obama's use of Facebook. But this was still social-networking in support of an existing organization or campaign. The tea-party protest movement is organizing itself, on its own behalf. Some existing organizations, like Newt Gingrich's American Solutions and FreedomWorks, have gotten involved. But they're involved as followers and facilitators, not leaders. The leaders are appearing on their own, and reaching out to others through blogs, Facebook, chat boards and alternative media.

The protests began with bloggers in Seattle, Wash., who organized a demonstration on Feb. 16. As word of this spread, rallies in Denver and Mesa, Ariz., were quickly organized for the next day. Then came CNBC talker Rick Santelli's Feb. 19 "rant heard round the world" in which he called for a "Chicago tea party" on July Fourth. The tea-party moniker stuck, but angry taxpayers weren't willing to wait until July. Soon, tea-party protests were appearing in one city after another, drawing at first hundreds, and then thousands, to marches in cities from Orlando to Kansas City to Cincinnati.

As word spread, people got interested in picking a common date for nationwide protests, and decided on today, Tax Day, as the date. As I write this, various Web sites tracking tea parties are predicting anywhere between 300 and 500 protests at cities around the world. A Google Map tracking planned events, maintained at the FreedomWorks.org Web site, shows the United States covered by red circles, with new events being added every day.
So what do we think? There's more to the article after the jump, but the conclusion the author is making is that as a "non-partisan" event it may change the political landscape and supplant the existing Republican Party. I looked up the author's other work and found this quote: "I'd be delighted to live in a country where happily married gay couples had closets full of assault weapons." I couldn't agree more.

Is is possible that we're seeing a sea change in American Politics? Will we someday be telling our children about the time when the political parties didn't include the Tea Party, but instead we had a party called the Republicans?

It's obvious to me that neither party is really interested in reigning in spending and increasing efficiencies in the federal government. Obama talks about reevaluating what works and what we spend money on, and if he can actually put it into effect, more power to him, but I think that a corrupt congress actually holds the purse strings.
 
There's too much supply-side rhetoric underlying the protest here for me to believe it's genuinely non-partisan.

Plus the premise is absurd. Obama's stimulus bill raised a shit-ton of eyebrows. Eyebrows that weren't very concerned at the prior accumulation of $10 Trillion in debt (90% of that since Regan, and almost 50% under W alone).

With $10 Trillion in debt, I bristle at the lack, not of sincerity (these people do believe what they say), but of honesty here. We're $10 Trillion in debt, and these people are wasting material goods and resources, cosplaying, and misinterpreting the message of the actual Boston Tea Party, all to protest "$17 Billion in earmarks." Well, good. Focus on that. $17 Billion is a lot of money. You betcha. But protesting over $17B when the federal budget is annual over $3 Trillion is akin to bitching that there's a water spot on your kitchen wall during a time when your house is burning down.

If there is anything good to come of this, it's the severing and neutering of the political prominence and influence of social conservatives. I don't mind fiscal conservatives. I don't agree with them in the slightest - but if they actual go by their word and cut not just taxes but *SPENDING* as well, then I can respect (but again, disagree) with that. The problem I have, as evidenced by my paragraph above, is that these folks are insincere.

The lack of sincerity is shown by the indifference to $10T in debt, and outrage over tax increases that exist only in the minds of those who protest (save for roughly 5% of them), and even then, were tax rates that we didn't protest over 10 years ago. It's about reinforcing ideology, and doesn't have very much, at all, to do with consistently lowering taxes and spending.

On the plus side, the persistent hearing of "teabagging" in the public political lexicon has made my fuckin' week, man.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The lack of sincerity is shown by the indifference to $10T in debt, and outrage over tax increases that exist only in the minds of those who protest (save for roughly 5% of them), and even then, were tax rates that we didn't protest over 10 years ago. It's about reinforcing ideology, and doesn't have very much, at all, to do with consistently lowering taxes and spending.

On the plus side, the persistent hearing of "teabagging" in the public political lexicon has made my fuckin' week, man.[/quote]

I know. I'm simply being optimistic. I don't necessarily want a smaller government, but I do want a smarter one. Social conservatism can die a much deserved death; now it's time to focus our ire on corruption and waste. I don't mind paying taxes for governmental services, but lets manage the money properly, shall we?

EDIT: I am as much a fan of the term as you are. I didn't send one myself, but the temptation to be able to say "I teabagged Washington!" was almost too good to resist.
 
What's funny to me is that the term "earmark" is directly associated with waste, whereas it's really just a specific direction of how the associated Department/Agency is supposed to spend the money. In many ways, it's *less* wasteful as the money is specfically purposed, rather than put into a general fund where who knows what it will get spent on. I have to agree with Ron Paul on this one: we need *more* earmarks not less. At least then we know exactly what the money is being spent on and can decide if those programs are worthy or not.

@myke: re the original Boston Tea Party - It annoys me that they are taking up this cause under the specter of the BTP, especially when the fundamental reason behind the BTP still hasnt been fully addressed in this country (i.e. Taxation w/o Representation & DC Voting Rights).

Moreover, I *hate* the term social conservative as these people are not hardly "conservative". They want more expansion of the government into the minutae of life, moreso than even the so-called liberals.

Complete aside: I cannot fathom a good reason for having an assualt rifle unless you plan on going to war.
 
[quote name='hostyl1']
Complete aside: I cannot fathom a good reason for having an assualt rifle unless you plan on going to war.[/QUOTE]

Squirrels are getting faster and more agile everyday.;)
 
I don't have cable, so no live video coverage of the "party's" but I'm gonna guess, a few videos will soon pop online showing that most of these demonstrators are wacko's that think Obama is a facist (because fox news says so), he's really a muslim, and he isn't really American. I doubt these gatherings really have anything to do with actual fiscal conservatism.
 
$10T is ancient history myke.. We are approaching $11.2 Trillion now..

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and don't forget the CBO projects at least another $9 trillion will be added to the debt over the next decade which will push it to $20 trillion+. And this of course optimistically assumes that the $12.8 trillion we've blown so far in various bailouts and loans gets paid back to the treasury in full (not likely).

Can you say $30 trillion debt?

Bye Bye US dollar.
 
Someone get that CNN piece up quick. The one where the sign "I am not your ATM" makes an appearance. The way the host shutters is absolutely priceless.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, bookmark that link, pay attention to the rhetoric used by the man holding the child. Learn it and love it.

You are now experts in what "tautology" means.
 
[quote name='hostyl1']
Complete aside: I cannot fathom a good reason for having an assualt rifle unless you plan on going to war.[/quote]

I think having military grade weaponry was the point of the second amendment, and yes it is probably a bit outdated. I bet one of those things is hella fun to shoot though.
 
First of all, the protests were not centered on Obama, or his particular stimulus package. That would, of course, be hard to believe depending on where you get your news.

These protests were organized to be about the government spending and growing in general. Blaming both parties. Blaming anyone and any elected official helping it happen.

The protests are fine, but to me the interesting story is the media coverage (or lack thereof).

Edit: Just imagine if this were a nationwide anti-war protest. Imagine that same CNN reporter. Imagine how much more pleasant and fair she would have been.
 
I love it. Obama has been in office 3 months and everything is his fault.

What do these "tea parties" even accomplish? If you want to protest taxes then don't pay your taxes.
 
I've been getting people dropping off teabags en route to the White House for a couple weeks or so. They've got cute messages like "NO MORE WASTEFUL SPENDING" or "REMEMBER BOSTON" on them, yet none of them have correct postage and all of them are wasting a perfectly good teabag.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']First of all, the protests were not centered on Obama, or his particular stimulus package. That would, of course, be hard to believe depending on where you get your news.

These protests were organized to be about the government spending and growing in general. Blaming both parties. Blaming anyone and any elected official helping it happen.

The protests are fine, but to me the interesting story is the media coverage (or lack thereof).

Edit: Just imagine if this were a nationwide anti-war protest. Imagine that same CNN reporter. Imagine how much more pleasant and fair she would have been.[/quote]

I find it hard to believe anything Ann Coulter supports having anything to do in blaming the COP.
 
[quote name='HowStern']I love it. Obama has been in office 3 months and everything is his fault.

What do these "tea parties" even accomplish? If you want to protest taxes then don't pay your taxes.[/QUOTE]

With posts like these, your avatar should be Bubbles.
 
[quote name='JJSP']I've been getting people dropping off teabags en route to the White House for a couple weeks or so. They've got cute messages like "NO MORE WASTEFUL SPENDING" or "REMEMBER BOSTON" on them, yet none of them have correct postage and all of them are wasting a perfectly good teabag.[/quote]

:lol:
 
[quote name='tivo']With posts like these, your avatar should be Bubbles.[/quote]

haha it doesn't take rocket appliances to see whose making the pants at these protests.
 
[quote name='usickenme']the only thing this proved is how ignorant many Americans are.[/QUOTE]

If only all of us could be as smart as you.


BTW, quite the scene on Fox news now, looks like thousands and thousands in multiple cities. Much bigger turnout than I expected.
 
Hey I know what fascism, socialism, and Lincoln's legacy are so I am already ahead of 90% of the people out there today.
 
I don't know about every single protester, but I don't believe Rick Santelli's "rant" can be taken seriously.
 
[quote name='Ruined']If only all of us could be as smart as you.


BTW, quite the scene on Fox news now, looks like thousands and thousands in multiple cities. Much bigger turnout than I expected.[/quote]


cause they have a bunch of dots on a map and a couple cities where they have video cameras crowds show up do not impress me much. If I was giving out free hot dogs in those cities I could get bigger crowds. Might as well turn the GOP into the Fox News Party, cause they are leading this "movement"
 
I couldn't believe these idiots were doing this in my small town. Do these people even know why the Boston tea party occurred?
 
[quote name='62t']what happen to My President, right or wrong?[/QUOTE]

Well see, you can be a total fuck up for eight years and it's totally ok, because deep down, you and everyone else knew you were just trying to do the right thing, and it didn't matter that thousands are dead by your own actions, especially because history is going to bail you out since all your rich white friends will make sure that happens.

Meanwhile, the dood that shows up right after to fix the problems you made only has....oh, about three months to do so. And if he doesn't get it done that quickly, he's a total fucking shithead Muslim extremist fascist terrorist antichrist socialist who shits on baby nuns and finger fucks the dead corpses of children.

AND he likes to fill out March Madness brackets. The HORROR.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']I couldn't believe these idiots were doing this in my small town. Do these people even know why the Boston tea party occurred?[/quote]

I'm guessing they do. But I guess the lack of bodies of water in most of these cities was a hinderance.
 
[quote name='dropbearGSH']I think having military grade weaponry was the point of the second amendment, and yes it is probably a bit outdated. I bet one of those things is hella fun to shoot though.[/QUOTE]
They are fun. But really the point in having one should be to keep the Government on it's toes.
 
@speedyG: Really? To keep Government on it's toes? Do you really think in this day and age there can even be an "armed" uprising against the government? That *may* have been a good reason in the 18th century, but I dont think it holds much water now.

Cause an M-16 isnt going to do much against an M1-A1. (though I'd *love* to own my own tank :))
 
[quote name='hostyl1']@speedyG: Really? To keep Government on it's toes? Do you really think in this day and age there can even be an "armed" uprising against the government? That *may* have been a good reason in the 18th century, but I dont think it holds much water now.

Cause an M-16 isnt going to do much against an M1-A1. (though I'd *love* to own my own tank :))[/quote]

Iraq.

The greatest military in the world can't stop a few thousands extremists who don't have enough water to shower every day. The greatest military in the world had to bribe local leaders to root them out and/or placate them. If a few million plain clothes Americans grabbed pocketknives and started stabbing every cop and military man during their piss breaks, how would the government win?
 
Honestly, i don't think the average american would be quite as successful as Iraqi insurgents have been. Playing COD4 every day doesn't really prepare you to overthrow your government,.
 
[quote name='KingBroly']I'm guessing they do. But I guess the lack of bodies of water in most of these cities was a hinderance.[/quote]
I just mean that what they seem to be protesting (which seems like different things for each person) is not what the colonists were protesting when they threw the tea into Boston Harbor. We aren't being taxed by some other country's government.

I'm glad we have the right to protest in this country, but i do wish people would think about these things before actually doing it. Calling Obama a fascist isn't going to win you any sympathy.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Honestly, i don't think the average american would be quite as successful as Iraqi insurgents have been. [/quote]

You'd be surprised.

Take away Everything from Somebody.

Let Somebody know who took away Everything.

Hand Somebody a weapon as the only tool to resolve the situation.
 
At the very least, the government can make the tax forms easier to use and fill out. streamline the whole system of recording and paying taxes. Even politicians with professional accountants have made mistakes on their tax forms.
 
[quote name='HowStern']I love it. Obama has been in office 3 months and everything is his fault.

What do these "tea parties" even accomplish? If you want to protest taxes then don't pay your taxes.[/quote]

This is the first time in recent memory April 15th has come around when the economy was in such a poor shape with so much blame to go around. Last year the DOW was at 13,000. Today it is at around 8,000. Unemployment was at 5% last April, March 2009 it rose to 8.5%. Do you think they should be happy with the current situation? They see their taxes (whether federal, state, or local) being raised and nothing improving. My state (Pennsylvania) collected $1.7 Billion in revenues to improve state roads last year alone, yet 90% of the state roads I drive are more suitable for a Jeep Wrangler than a sub-compact.


As for the coverage of the tea parties. Maybe the mass media should have thought about the reprecussions of the doom and gloom talk before overreacting and dedicating a day of news coverage to every political decision and negative corporate announcement over the last 8 months. I am by no means saying the current economic crisis isn't a major problem, but the reporting has done nothing but put many individuals in a state of panic. The average person watching cnn, fox, abc, nbc, can't put economic news into context and no attempt is made to educate them.
 
^You think this situation would see improvement in 3 months? It's been in the making for years.

Unemployment was MUCH MUCH higher than 5% last April. Check out the post Myke did a little while back about how they "officially" calculate unemployment rates.
 
[quote name='HowStern']^You think this situation would see improvement in 3 months? It's been in the making for years.

Unemployment was MUCH MUCH higher than 5% last April. Check out the post Myke did a little while back about how they "officially" calculate unemployment rates.[/quote]

Yes, I read Myke's very informative post. I was lazy and just grabbed the raw numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

I also know the economy won't be corrected for a few years at the earliest. Though, I would rather be eternally optimistic on the economy.
 
Another notable thing is that under Obama 90% of the countries taxes have actually gone down. So, despite maybe not liking what the taxes are being spent on most everybody is paying less of them. Only about 10% of the country is seeing their taxes raised, paddle.

And I highly doubt some guy with a picture of Obama dressed as Hitler who clearly doesn't know what a "fascist" is makes $250k a year.
 
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