The Steam Deal Thread V2 - Dig into those holiday games. V3 thread coming soon!

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Welcome to the Steam Deal Thread V2! You can find the V1 thread (2010-July 2011) here. Read post #2 of this thread for Steam FAQs and more.

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Steam Games and DLC on Sale - Updated 2/12

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Steam Retail Key List

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All retail Valve games and a number of third-party games can be registered to your Steam account. All of the following games can be registered through Steam:
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  • Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare is not accepted on Steam
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  • Note: The number 2 and letter Z may look very similar.
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  • Note: Keys purchased directly from the Global Agenda website cannot be registered on Steam.
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[quote name='Ronin187']Hopefully today's deals will be better.[/QUOTE]

Lol... So far each day the deals have been amazing... :roll:

The Dead Island deal was absolutely amazing btw. Too bad I own most of the games that have been on sale. =/
 
[quote name='atreyuevr']Lol... So far each day the deals have been amazing... :roll:

The Dead Island deal was absolutely amazing btw. Too bad I own most of the games that have been on sale. =/[/QUOTE]

Yeah, even though I own most of the good games already, I certainly can't knock the deals. Dead Island, Orcs Must Die, ME2, Portal 2, F:NV, etc, have all been steals.. I just have them all already.

I've picked up Two Worlds II + expansion, the last two F:NV DLC I was missing. Snagged Deus Ex + DLC (from amazon since it was cheaper) as well for my steam account.

Holding out til the last day to see if Drakensang pops up as a Daily before I purchase it for $10. Would also like to see the Witcher 2 match amazon's DD price.


How does Morrowind hold up? I see there is a "Morrowind 2011 Mod" available. I recall playing it briefly, but I believe that it launched during my dark days of MMO gaming, so I didn't play it much. Enjoying the crap out of Skyrim, didn't care for Oblivion much, if anyone has any insights as to how it relates to others in the series.
 
Picked up Orcs Must Die + DLC and Dead Island 4 pack so far. Really happy with my purchases.


Anyone no where to get Dead Island DLC on sale?
 
[quote name='scd']yeah, if a few expensive-ish things i've wanted get deeply discounted to $5ish on a daily deal, i'll get them (Dragon Age: Origins, Fallout 3 complete, Metro 2033). any indie that i want that makes it down to around $5-$8 i'll bite on (waiting to see if From Dust and Cave Story+, in particular, drop a bit).
[/QUOTE]

Metro 2033 is $5 on Amazon & Gamersgate right now. It's Steamworks so it will activate on (and requires) Steam

http://www.amazon.com/THQ-40470Metr...7UE4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1322316110&sr=8-4

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-M2033/metro-2033

[quote name='gnargnargnar']
How does Morrowind hold up? I see there is a "Morrowind 2011 Mod" available. I recall playing it briefly, but I believe that it launched during my dark days of MMO gaming, so I didn't play it much. Enjoying the crap out of Skyrim, didn't care for Oblivion much, if anyone has any insights as to how it relates to others in the series.[/QUOTE]

It holds up surprisingly well for its age if you go to the trouble of adding a number of different facelift elements via mods. As with any ES game, the processing of locating the mods you want, installing them and getting them to play nice can sometimes be trying. Still, it's a great game that oozes atmosphere in a way the two games that came after it don't, imho of course.

If it goes sub $10 I would say buy it without a second thought.
 
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[quote name='utopianmachine']The sales have been good. Most of us have so much stuff, though, that we're only interested in specific things.

...talk about your first world problems. ;)[/QUOTE]

This.

I've only picked up Orcs Must Die/DLC so far. There are a couple games I was interested in (such as Fallout New Vegas) but I knew with the ol' backlog being the size it is, I might as well wait for the inevitable GOTY edition (or at least an edition with all the DLC included) because it'll take me that long to get around to playing Fallout 3 GOTY anyway!

Also, Back to the Future is excellent. I actually found the controls a little annoying, but my opinion improved when I switched to a 360 controller. The actual storyline/gameplay is loads of fun though... I grew up watching movies like Back to the Future so a bit of nostalgia is nice for me as well.
 
[quote name='zillionandnine']This.

I've only picked up Orcs Must Die/DLC so far. There are a couple games I was interested in (such as Fallout New Vegas) but I knew with the ol' backlog being the size it is, I might as well wait for the inevitable GOTY edition (or at least an edition with all the DLC included) because it'll take me that long to get around to playing Fallout 3 GOTY anyway![/QUOTE]

Also, Back to the Future is excellent. I actually found the controls a little annoying, but my opinion improved when I switched to a 360 controller. The actual storyline/gameplay is loads of fun though... I grew up watching movies like Back to the Future so a bit of nostalgia is nice for me as well.
 
I'm planning on picking up Morrowind to hold me over until Skyrim drops (probably the summer) and some of the 75% off indie games like Runespell, Eschalon Books 1 and 2, Faerie Solitaire, and Delve Deeper.
 
[quote name='momouchi']I'm planning on picking up Morrowind to hold me over until Skyrim drops (probably the summer) and some of the 75% off indie games like Runespell, Eschalon Books 1 and 2, Faerie Solitaire, and Delve Deeper.[/QUOTE]

I downloaded the demos of Eschalon Book 1 from Steam. After playing it for a bit and disliking the maximum screen size was 800 X 600 and other features, I downloaded Book 2 from the developer website. Wanted to know if the game made significant improvements by the second one. I found Book 2 more approachable, and it seemed a tighter experience from the first game.

I'm also considering Eschalon, but I think I may wait a bit. I would also suggest skipping Book 1. I'm not a fan of playing games in windows, and 800 X 600 is mega stretched. Turns are slower and the game feels a bit sluggish compared to it's sequel.

Just my two cents.
 
Thanks for the info, I read Book 2 isn't at all attached to Book 1. I may just grab 2 this time around and go back for 1 during some other sale.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']I downloaded the demos of Eschalon Book 1 from Steam. After playing it for a bit and disliking the maximum screen size was 800 X 600 and other features, I downloaded Book 2 from the developer website. Wanted to know if the game made significant improvements by the second one. I found Book 2 more approachable, and it seemed a tighter experience from the first game.

I'm also considering Eschalon, but I think I may wait a bit. I would also suggest skipping Book 1. I'm not a fan of playing games in windows, and 800 X 600 is mega stretched. Turns are slower and the game feels a bit sluggish compared to it's sequel.

Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='utopianmachine']Soooo, what is everyone holding out to buy til the last day?

Considering the Christmas sale is right around the corner, I'm thinking of getting Runespell:Overture and Sims Medieval.[/QUOTE]

Hoping for a bigger discount on Torchlight and Bastion. Also would love a drop on Cave Story+ (it's the only way I'm going to buy a slightly updated version of a game I'm already familiar with), Civilization V DLC and (longshot) that Heroes of Might and Magic V bundle.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']Soooo, what is everyone holding out to buy til the last day?[/QUOTE]

Pretty much just the Gundemonium Collection.
I've only picked up the gun runners collection and Deus Ex, from amazon of course.
 
I don't think the same has been too disappointing but I've had most of the items. Besides Renegade ops it's been all dlc for me. I have picked up games from other places that activate on steam though, so I'm not too upset. It's also been nice that Tony from Amazon has been price matching what he can. I always seem to have amazon credit so I haven't spent as much in cash as usual.
 
I've gone a little nuts so far. Picked up Oblivion GOTY last week (though technically not part do this sale) Dead Island, TW: Rome and Shogun 2. Also got Starcraft 2 yesterday. Think I'm done unless something ridiculous happens today or tomorrow, like a cheap Skyrim.
 
I dont really play those turnbased dungeon rpgs, but it looks like a genre that I would like. I love diablo-like dungeon crawlers, but i need something slower for when im on my laptop. I too was considering the Eschalon books, but I dont think those are the best choices to usher me into the genre. I have my eye on Dungeons of Dredmore. I watched a 20 minute review of it on youtube and it looks quite fun and comical. Also it has steam achieves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyTfUnnxZV4
 
[quote name='Golden Lemonz']does anyone think the New Vegas DLC will go back on sale around Christmas?[/QUOTE]

It's likely. It was on sale for the Summer Sale and then soon after that again for the Quakecon sale.
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']Soooo, what is everyone holding out to buy til the last day? [/QUOTE]

Call of Cthulhu, Psychonauts, Delvve Deeper & Cthulhu Saves the World. Might also pick up Binding of Isaac, but we'll see how the rest of the weekend goes.

Still hoping we'll see Bastion for 66% before the sale is over. I think that's really the only other thing I'm looking for these days. Thankfully, this sale has been light on my wallet, only picking up the Oddbox and the Tactical pack for Deus Ex. Was considering the Missing Link, but I've yet to start Deus Ex, and $7.50 is more than I'm willing to pay for a lot of full games, so it's hard for me to justify it for a piece of DLC.
 
[quote name='zillionandnine']Also, Back to the Future is excellent. I actually found the controls a little annoying, but my opinion improved when I switched to a 360 controller. The actual storyline/gameplay is loads of fun though... I grew up watching movies like Back to the Future so a bit of nostalgia is nice for me as well.[/QUOTE]

I agree that it's excellent, but personally I much prefer the mouse controls. I had bought this on PSN when it was on sale a few months back & hated trying to use a controller to play it, so I've been waiting on a sale on the PC version ever since. The precision of a mouse is almost required for a game like this imo.
 
[quote name='INCyr']Call of Cthulhu, Psychonauts, Delvve Deeper & Cthulhu Saves the World. Might also pick up Binding of Isaac, but we'll see how the rest of the weekend goes.
[/QUOTE]

Delve Deeler and its DLC are $1.37 together. Just how low are you waiting for? :)

If you're holding out for a daily deal, I tip my hat to you. True CAG!:applause:
 
[quote name='utopianmachine']Soooo, what is everyone holding out to buy til the last day?
[/QUOTE]
Right now just Chantelise. The only other things I would buy at the moment is Super Meat Boy, EYE Divine Cybermancy, Morrowind, or Bastion and that is only if they hit under $5 as a daily.
 
[quote name='Terlan']Anyway have any thoughts on Call of Cthulhu? I saw some people talking about it and it does look interesting.[/QUOTE]

I played it on Xbox when it came out and it's one of the better Horror games I've played. It kind of runs out of steam in the second half, but I think it's definitely worth playing. This was probably 6ish years ago though, so I'm not sure how well it holds up. I'm considering picking it up on Steam.
 
[quote name='Terlan']Anyway have any thoughts on Call of Cthulhu? I saw some people talking about it and it does look interesting.[/QUOTE]

I've put about three hours or so into it a couple years ago, and it was definitely interesting. It's from Bethesda, but don't expect an Elder Scrolls game. Regardless, it's a game dealing with the Cthulhu mythos. It's definitely worth $5 alone, but, I would like to see it drop again (cheap guy here.)
 
[quote name='scd']yeah, if a few expensive-ish things i've wanted get deeply discounted to $5ish on a daily deal, i'll get them (Dragon Age: Origins, Fallout 3 complete, Metro 2033). any indie that i want that makes it down to around $5-$8 i'll bite on (waiting to see if From Dust and Cave Story+, in particular, drop a bit).

other than that, i'm doing what i usually do, which is wait until something i have on the 360/PS3 that i either never finished or never played at all makes it to the $5 range, and then i bite. so, i've actually purchased quite a bit this sale so far -- both mass effects, plus fallout: new vegas. and a smattering of indies.[/QUOTE]

Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Metro 2033 is $4.99 @ Amazon and Gamersgate right now and it's a Steamworks title, so there ya go.
 
I'd like to get Morrowind at some point and it's $10 right now during this sale. I checked its price history on Steamgamesales was $5 but that was back in the 2010 summer sale. Should I wait or just get it now?
 
[quote name='icedrake523']I'd like to get Morrowind at some point and it's $10 right now during this sale. I checked its price history on Steamgamesales was $5 but that was back in the 2010 summer sale. Should I wait or just get it now?[/QUOTE]

Unless you're on your deathbed, and your last wish is to play Morrowind... always always always wait. There is no logical reason not to, aside from the aforementioned.
 
And kinda disappointing. Might get Limbo, and maybe some Civ 5 DLC, but if today is the last day for new deals then they ended on a whimper for me.
 
[quote name='BrolyB593']Anyone have PayDay the Heist? The game looked cool when they were promoting it but I have yet to year anything concrete about it.[/QUOTE]

I got it on PSN, it's pretty much L4D without zombies or counter strike with out planting bombs and such. It's not a bad game, but I feel like it would play better on a mouse and keyboard.
 
I'd like to say I really enjoyed Splinter Cell Conviction, and it is one of the only recent games that I've played all the way through. Kept me busy for 13 hours. The multiplayer is good for laughs, but it's not as epic as the spy vs. merc modes from the earlier games.
 
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