Well I read as much of the last few pages as I could bare. My thoughts so far are that Sony played the gamers. Sure 1080p 60fps sounds great, but not if the console really can't handle it. I'll take Microsoft quality over Sony's over promising and under delivering. I will still get a ps4 for the exclusives but I'm sure Microsoft's Live service will still be much more enjoyable. Sony is still living off that E3 hype, there will be very upset customers in their future. Last night I was defending Microsoft because someone was making an uniformed PS4 purchase. Can you believe people still believe everything from Microsoft's E3 is still true today? I know Microsoft doesn't care about me and I don't work for them but I would like my friends to be informed consumers. Most people still don't realize you need Plus to play online.