The poi t being made was that XBLA games aren't on disks and those sales require you to pay to take part in then and they are never as good as steam and their best ones take YEARS and have maybe 2 games on Black Friday.
Exactly. I for one can afford both consoles no problem but I'm simply not buying x1 because its a rip off.
That article is
ing terrible, it doesn't debunk anything.The problem really resides with the publishers and their investors. It isn't about making good games anymore. It's all about making blockbusters that make people rich or getting a game out the door to meet a movie deadline and cash in on the tie-in. This is also why we're seeing an uprising of Indie games and Kickstarter(or the like) funded projects. Publishers always shaft the developers and you can see great game studios fail, even when the publisher is making excellent profit.
I'll admit my information was extremely old, since I havent worked as a manager at block buster in literally 15 years, so yeah it has changed a bit.
That's true of all CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays, and books. None of those are going away anytime soon, nor are the companies trying to get rid of them. They are just providing download options as well. Game companies are actively trying to get rid of the physical versions and have downloads only (or in the case of Xbox One: physical versions that act like downloads).
It's actually not, and I've already explained why.
A big reason people go to the theater is because they want to see the movie as early as possible. If people want to play a game as early as possible they buy it new (before any used copies are available). If used copies are available within days of release, then clearly people didn't like the game (so they shouldn't have to support it).
last i checked this is ms forum not sony
you are starting ot push comparison little to far lol
Movies and Music don't retail anywhere near $60.
Microsoft allows trade in games but guess what it is for "participating retailers" only. Guess which retailer will probably be on that list.... GameStop. So this isn't about killing GameStop, Microsoft is actually helping them by eliminating private sales. Microsoft is choosing the winners and losers in this. Guess who is on the losing side, your fellow CAGs. The same CAGs that help you find video game deals on this forum.
amazon has better buy price the ngamestop ever doesPeople who don't commit retail fraud?
madden is a football game you can't do much with football and madden was decent last year and looks pretty good this year.
Nice example... we are talking about sympathizing with Microsoft and you mention a great Sony game.
i love great games who gives a junk what system the game is on
fine you want a great ms series lets talk about single player for gears of war franchise (other then judgement)
The point is that Sony is one of the biggest supporters of used games. They are not worried about used games impacting their sales (they've stated that used games help sales). And yet this is what you use as an example of why used sales are bad.
i was not quoting a statement that had anything to do with used games :facepalm:
No, but your general attitude has been that they take money away from the publishers. Sony doesn't even agree with you on that.
um they kind of do with allowing publishers to put any kind of drm or restriction they want lol. pretty much if a company want to charge a giant fee to unlock a game they could. sony kind of did all this in a sneaky way with talking all good at press conf then after it was done it call came out that publisher could do anything they wanted to their game
Which further proves my point to be honest. Implying that it somehow equals game sales is... reaching quiet a bit to be honest. You've got people in this very thread saying they are basically committing retail fraud, by buying a game, playing the shit out of it for a day or two then returning it and you attempt to make that comparison?
I'm betting that figure went down drastically with the massive sales success of kindle and nook as well.
As much as I hate DRM if Sony didn't allow publishers to use it that would be too much control as well. The DRM on PS4 will work exactly as it does on PS3 and Xbox 360 (online passes). But with the way they announced it (the game sharing ad), any publisher that put DRM in their game would look horrible at this point. I'd be surprised if there was anything worse than the online passes we have now (if that).
...and people who understand how re-sellers work in a capitalistic society. :shock: It may be shocking to you that re-sellers are not going to pay $40 to make $10. They might as well then just sell the product new, especially since they are taking all of the risk that used games will sell and they will make their money back. Go into any Gamestop and look at all the copies of MAG for $0.99 that they have in stock. That investment didn't work out too well for them. Same thing with sport games. They are taking the risk that someone will buy the game at a higher price before its value declines as newer games come out that will grab the customer's attention.People who don't commit retail fraud?
Games don't cost solely $50 used and $60 new, and Gamestop isn't your only option. I'm an Amazon seller, I sell mostly movies, games, and occasionally books I buy from mostly thrifts and pawns. Say what you will about that, but I make crap at my day job and it's a fun way for me to make extra cash on the side, and fund my gaming habit, as well as paying for my wife and I to go on trips, etc. This isn't going to hurt GS, as they'll be one of the only places that will be allowed to trade-in your games. It DOES, however, hurt small-time sellers like me, mom-and-pop and independent game stores that can't afford or aren't allowed to buy a MS trade-in system (which by the way, will not even be ready for retailers at launch), and last but not least the consumer. According to your logic, since GS's terrible terrible trade-in values are anti-consumer, the XBone is doubly ant-consumer, since you can't sell your games AND have to accept whatever GS offers you. Trade-in values are also going to go nowhere but down since they won't need to compete with Amazon sellers, Craigslist, eBay etc.
False. The only DRM of any kind allowed on the PS4 will be online passes just like we have now. It was stated that no "full game unlock" kind of thing would be allowed beyond blocking the online multiplayer aspect of a game.
Yeah cause they are getting a PS4.saw this on Reddit:
They definitely did say online pass only. I as well as others have corrected you on this before yet you continue to repeat it. Sony is allowing online passes not any kind of pass for single player.
or a nintendo wiiYeah cause they are getting a PS4.saw this on Reddit:
(I'm just joking before the ones that take my statement seriously flames me :lol: )
anndddddd i see no proof sony said it
http://www.videogamer.com/news/ps4_third-party_drm_debate_continues_ps4_not_designed_to_lock_disc-based_games.html
He's not entirely sure, but I also don't know if this is what you are referencing...
Trettons comment were what started the confusion. It was later cleared up.
They mention first party will not be using online pass. 3rd party are free to use online pass, not whatever they want.
Yeah, that just means it's the same as this generation, and XBLG members got boned.
So we now know the worst thing that a third party can do on PS4 is online pass. Thanks for the article.
well you have to have ps plus to play online on ps4 so i guess we ps4 people will get boned also
Thanks. I'm in the middle of making dinner and I couldn't find the quote readily :v
Agreed on that. I've never once bought PS+ because I game mostly on my 360 but I've been extremely jealous of PS+ for years.
Yeah but PSN members didn't pay and didn't get boned. And it remains to be seen whether any company will use an online pass program, especially since the Xbone basically eliminates that need, and Sony is outright against it, and it would look really bad on EA to go back on their word and bring them back.
EA has already come out and said they won't be using them on PS4 which I was actually very surprised to hear.
